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11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You need to read the words...the EV revolution is circumscribed by lithium shortages.

Over and done.

If it is over and done then production will have peaked. The cool thing is that this claim is imminently testable. 

Hmm...doesn't look good for you in the world's largest car market:

Plugin vehicles continue to be all the rage in the Chinese auto market. With the end of the covid lockdowns, plugins went back to the fast lane, growing 109% year over year (YoY). They scored over 403,000 registrations in May, with plugin hybrids (PHEVs) surging 187% year over year (YoY) to a record 105,000 units. Their growth even beat that of BEVs, which grew a paltry 91%….

Share-wise, with May showing another great performance, plugin vehicles hit 31% market share! Full electrics (BEVs) alone accounted for 23% of the country’s auto sales! This pulled the 2022 share to 25% (20% BEV).

If electrification continues at this pace, this market will be BEV-based by 2025! Imagine that: the largest automotive market in the world being BEV-based in three years time!

Another measure of the importance of this market is the fact that China alone represented over half of global plugin registrations last month. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/24/china-electric-car-market-31-market-share-in-may/

 

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Lithium prices are up 400% on the year.

The EU may ban lithium production because of environmental concerns.

The EV revolution is over and done, a mere footnote to history.

the cost of the lithium at today's prices for  batteries for an all electric  car, pickup or van in the 300 mile plus range today is around $4000......not a deal breaker for the sales of EV's........the revolution is on..................Enjoy paying $5 a gallon to tank up your clunkers....

 

PS most battery makers lock in long term pricing at much lower than spot prices for Lithium....I bet you already knew this yet you keep babbling nonsense...............Enjoy the EV revolution

 

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The war against fossil fuels is rapidly reducing the standard of living in Europe, as predicted here.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/45-Of-UK-Drivers-Cut-Vehicle-Journeys-As-Gasoline-Prices-Surge.html

"A total of 45 percent of UK adults have cut back on non-essential journeys in a vehicle amid soaring fuel prices, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said in its latest survey published on Friday.

As in many other countries, UK gasoline prices have jumped to records this year, with prices setting the biggest daily jump in 17 years in early June.

The average UK gasoline price has been around £1.90 per liter this week, or the equivalent of more than $8.80 per U.S. gallon.

 

Rallying gasoline prices compound the cost-of-living crisis in the UK, where energy bills jumped in April, gasoline is at record highs, and energy bills are set to surge further this autumn.  "

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If it is over and done then production will have peaked. The cool thing is that this claim is imminently testable. 

Hmm...doesn't look good for you in the world's largest car market:

Plugin vehicles continue to be all the rage in the Chinese auto market. With the end of the covid lockdowns, plugins went back to the fast lane, growing 109% year over year (YoY). They scored over 403,000 registrations in May, with plugin hybrids (PHEVs) surging 187% year over year (YoY) to a record 105,000 units. Their growth even beat that of BEVs, which grew a paltry 91%….

Share-wise, with May showing another great performance, plugin vehicles hit 31% market share! Full electrics (BEVs) alone accounted for 23% of the country’s auto sales! This pulled the 2022 share to 25% (20% BEV).

If electrification continues at this pace, this market will be BEV-based by 2025! Imagine that: the largest automotive market in the world being BEV-based in three years time!

Another measure of the importance of this market is the fact that China alone represented over half of global plugin registrations last month. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/24/china-electric-car-market-31-market-share-in-may/

 

EVs are less than 1% of the vehicle market value, certainly not "all the rage" and nothing to get anyone excited, except maybe you.

Soon no one will be able to afford to drive an EV with the skyrocketing prices of lithium.

It's over, the Green Dream is now a nightmare.

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2 hours ago, notsonice said:

the cost of the lithium at today's prices for  batteries for an all electric  car, pickup or van in the 300 mile plus range today is around $4000......not a deal breaker for the sales of EV's........the revolution is on..................Enjoy paying $5 a gallon to tank up your clunkers....

 

PS most battery makers lock in long term pricing at much lower than spot prices for Lithium....I bet you already knew this yet you keep babbling nonsense...............Enjoy the EV revolution

 

The price of lithium will continue to skyrocket with the environmentalists blocking lithium production in the EU.

And EVs have not even lifted off yet, the Green revolution is dead on arrival.

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24 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

EVs are less than 1% of the vehicle market value, certainly not "all the rage" and nothing to get anyone excited, except maybe you.

Soon no one will be able to afford to drive an EV with the skyrocketing prices of lithium.

It's over, the Green Dream is now a nightmare.

Yet EV sales keep skyrocketing and are well over 1% of the vehicle market value. Doubling in one year to over 30% market share is the definition of "all the rage".

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yet EV sales keep skyrocketing and are well over 1% of the vehicle market value. Doubling in one year to over 30% market share is the definition of "all the rage".

EVs are less than 1% of vehicle market value, so they never really took off as an integral item in human transportation, and with lithium prices out of control and growing at a 400% annual rate (don't you just love percentage growth rates as a measure of change?), the average American Joe will never be able to afford one.

EVs are entering the dinosaur stage in human transportation history.

Like the steam engine autos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car

"Development was hampered by adverse legislation from the 1860s[3] as well as the rapid development of internal combustion engine technology in the 1900s, leading to the commercial demise of steam-powered vehicles. Relatively few remained in use after the Second World War. Many of these vehicles were acquired by enthusiasts for preservation.

The search for renewable energy sources has led to an occasional resurgence of interest in using steam technology to power road vehicles."

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

EVs are less than 1% of vehicle market value, so they never really took off as an integral item in human transportation, and with lithium prices out of control and growing at a 400% annual rate (don't you just love percentage growth rates as a measure of change?), the average American Joe will never be able to afford one.

EVs are entering the dinosaur stage in human transportation history.

Like the steam engine autos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car

"Development was hampered by adverse legislation from the 1860s[3] as well as the rapid development of internal combustion engine technology in the 1900s, leading to the commercial demise of steam-powered vehicles. Relatively few remained in use after the Second World War. Many of these vehicles were acquired by enthusiasts for preservation.

The search for renewable energy sources has led to an occasional resurgence of interest in using steam technology to power road vehicles."

It is very interesting that one of many inputs is up 400% while the total market number, the number that actually matters, is up over 100% in the world's largest car market and up 45% in the 2nd largest market. It is almost as if you don't understand how the market works.

Plug-In Vehicle Sales

A total of 73,608 plug-in vehicles (57,804 BEVs and 15,804 PHEVs) were sold during May 2022 in the United States, up 45.5% from the sales in May 2021. PEVs captured 6.66% of total LDV sales this month.

 

Steam engines ha ha, you are good for a laugh with all your claims of demise when EV sales just keep going up every month. How can anyone not laugh at you?

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The war against fossil fuels is rapidly reducing the standard of living in Europe, as predicted here.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/45-Of-UK-Drivers-Cut-Vehicle-Journeys-As-Gasoline-Prices-Surge.html

"A total of 45 percent of UK adults have cut back on non-essential journeys in a vehicle amid soaring fuel prices, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said in its latest survey published on Friday.

As in many other countries, UK gasoline prices have jumped to records this year, with prices setting the biggest daily jump in 17 years in early June.

The average UK gasoline price has been around £1.90 per liter this week, or the equivalent of more than $8.80 per U.S. gallon.

 

Rallying gasoline prices compound the cost-of-living crisis in the UK, where energy bills jumped in April, gasoline is at record highs, and energy bills are set to surge further this autumn.  "

The average UK gasoline price has been around £1.90 per liter this week, or the equivalent of more than $8.80 per U.S. gallon.

"A total of 45 percent of UK adults have cut back on non-essential journeys in a vehicle amid soaring fuel prices...

Thanks for making the case for EV's and Hyrbids..................

your gas powered clunkers are dragging down the standards of living across the UK......

Thanks to your pal Putin and your best friends in Saudi Arabia you now are paying ransom at the pump to your real masters....

Putin and the Saudis hate EVs and so do their low IQ, fossil fuel loving, fans

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

EVs are less than 1% of vehicle market value, so they never really took off as an integral item in human transportation, and with lithium prices out of control and growing at a 400% annual rate (don't you just love percentage growth rates as a measure of change?), the average American Joe will never be able to afford one.

EVs are entering the dinosaur stage in human transportation history.

Like the steam engine autos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car

"Development was hampered by adverse legislation from the 1860s[3] as well as the rapid development of internal combustion engine technology in the 1900s, leading to the commercial demise of steam-powered vehicles. Relatively few remained in use after the Second World War. Many of these vehicles were acquired by enthusiasts for preservation.

The search for renewable energy sources has led to an occasional resurgence of interest in using steam technology to power road vehicles."

the commercial demise of steam-powered vehicles.....yeah coal power is on its way out everywhere....Are you still running on Coal???? ha ha ha 

the commercial demise of coal fired steam-powered electrical generation is following the demise of steam-powered vehicles

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The price of lithium will continue to skyrocket with the environmentalists blocking lithium production in the EU.

And EVs have not even lifted off yet, the Green revolution is dead on arrival.

environmentalists blocking lithium production in the EU???? how many lithium mines in Europe??? I never heard of the great lithium deposits of Europe..........Can you tell me where lithium mining on a large scale has occurred in the EU in the last 100 years???? Good luck to your babbling BS once again

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11 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

EVs are less than 1% of vehicle market value, so they never really took off as an integral item in human transportation, and with lithium prices out of control and growing at a 400% annual rate (don't you just love percentage growth rates as a measure of change?), the average American Joe will never be able to afford one.

EVs are entering the dinosaur stage in human transportation history.

Like the steam engine autos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car

"Development was hampered by adverse legislation from the 1860s[3] as well as the rapid development of internal combustion engine technology in the 1900s, leading to the commercial demise of steam-powered vehicles. Relatively few remained in use after the Second World War. Many of these vehicles were acquired by enthusiasts for preservation.

The search for renewable energy sources has led to an occasional resurgence of interest in using steam technology to power road vehicles."

Nothing wrong with the steam car, except for the working body

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_Rankine_cycle

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10 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

It is very interesting that one of many inputs is up 400% while the total market number, the number that actually matters, is up over 100% in the world's largest car market and up 45% in the 2nd largest market. It is almost as if you don't understand how the market works.

Plug-In Vehicle Sales

A total of 73,608 plug-in vehicles (57,804 BEVs and 15,804 PHEVs) were sold during May 2022 in the United States, up 45.5% from the sales in May 2021. PEVs captured 6.66% of total LDV sales this month.

 

Steam engines ha ha, you are good for a laugh with all your claims of demise when EV sales just keep going up every month. How can anyone not laugh at you?

The steam engine was a similar experiment to the EV, both going the way of the dinosaur.  With input prices for EVs soaring, the prices will soon become out of reach for any average American.

But steam cars may now experience a revival among Green enthusiasts. Why don't you buy one of those, Jay?

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9 hours ago, notsonice said:

The average UK gasoline price has been around £1.90 per liter this week, or the equivalent of more than $8.80 per U.S. gallon.

"A total of 45 percent of UK adults have cut back on non-essential journeys in a vehicle amid soaring fuel prices...

Thanks for making the case for EV's and Hyrbids..................

your gas powered clunkers are dragging down the standards of living across the UK......

Thanks to your pal Putin and your best friends in Saudi Arabia you now are paying ransom at the pump to your real masters....

Putin and the Saudis hate EVs and so do their low IQ, fossil fuel loving, fans

No, the problem is with the Green wackos who insist on phasing out gasoline, that puts up the price of gas at the pump and reduces living standards. There is nothing on the horizon to replace fossil fuels.

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9 hours ago, notsonice said:

environmentalists blocking lithium production in the EU???? how many lithium mines in Europe??? I never heard of the great lithium deposits of Europe..........Can you tell me where lithium mining on a large scale has occurred in the EU in the last 100 years???? Good luck to your babbling BS once again

Check the articles above on the EU decision. Do I have to teach you to read?

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21 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If it is over and done then production will have peaked. The cool thing is that this claim is imminently testable. 

Hmm...doesn't look good for you in the world's largest car market:

Plugin vehicles continue to be all the rage in the Chinese auto market. With the end of the covid lockdowns, plugins went back to the fast lane, growing 109% year over year (YoY). They scored over 403,000 registrations in May, with plugin hybrids (PHEVs) surging 187% year over year (YoY) to a record 105,000 units. Their growth even beat that of BEVs, which grew a paltry 91%….

Share-wise, with May showing another great performance, plugin vehicles hit 31% market share! Full electrics (BEVs) alone accounted for 23% of the country’s auto sales! This pulled the 2022 share to 25% (20% BEV).

If electrification continues at this pace, this market will be BEV-based by 2025! Imagine that: the largest automotive market in the world being BEV-based in three years time!

Another measure of the importance of this market is the fact that China alone represented over half of global plugin registrations last month. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/24/china-electric-car-market-31-market-share-in-may/

 

That growth is largely in hybrids, which are predominantly fossil fuel vehicles. Read the fine print, Jay.

EV sales are less than 1% of the vehicle market value.

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30 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

That growth is largely in hybrids, which are predominantly fossil fuel vehicles. Read the fine print, Jay.

EV sales are less than 1% of the vehicle market value.

Those are plug in hybrids which can drive on pure electricity from a socket without ever using any fossil fuel. But yeah, pure battery electric vehicles only grew by a measly 91%. to account for 23% of the entire Chinese vehicle market. Do pay attention to the fine print. This easily puts EVs at over 1% of Chinese vehicle market value.

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📢   📢   partypooper ............. party pooper......... party -------- pooooooppppeerrrr........📢   📢

 

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checking on cars, the progress in designs etc.........To my dismay, things might have not gotten better from design of bumper car, ~ 50 years ago?

Are we in search of resurrecting this old method of EV amidst crisis of shortage of material, high prices of material, dispute over sources of energy etc?   O.o

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Those are plug in hybrids which can drive on pure electricity from a socket without ever using any fossil fuel. But yeah, pure battery electric vehicles only grew by a measly 91%. to account for 23% of the entire Chinese vehicle market. Do pay attention to the fine print. This easily puts EVs at over 1% of Chinese vehicle market value.

No, Jay, sales are declining in China.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Considers-Extending-EV-Tax-Breaks.html

"Sales of electric vehicles have plummeted in China.

The country is now reportedly considering more tax breaks for electric vehicles"

"About two weeks ago we reported that Chinese auto sales were down 17% year over year. "

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Those are plug in hybrids which can drive on pure electricity from a socket without ever using any fossil fuel. But yeah, pure battery electric vehicles only grew by a measly 91%. to account for 23% of the entire Chinese vehicle market. Do pay attention to the fine print. This easily puts EVs at over 1% of Chinese vehicle market value.

No, that is still well below 1% of total vehicle market value.

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30 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

No, Jay, sales are declining in China.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Considers-Extending-EV-Tax-Breaks.html

"Sales of electric vehicles have plummeted in China.

The country is now reportedly considering more tax breaks for electric vehicles"

"About two weeks ago we reported that Chinese auto sales were down 17% year over year. "

Tisk, tisk, you should know better than to believe the lies in ZeroHedge. China EV sales are going gangbusters. You would know that if you were a real economist capable of looking at the data.

Here are the official numbers from the 

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http://en.caam.org.cn/Index/show/catid/58/id/1871.html

China: Plug-In Car Sales Climbed To Over 400,000 In May 2022

The volume more than doubled year-over-year, while market share expanded to 31%.

some 403,029 new passenger plug-in electric cars were registered in China in May, which is 109% more than a year ago. The result represents also more than half of the global plug-in market.

The share of plug-in cars increased to 31%, including 23% for all-electric cars. BEVs remain in the majority, but PHEVs noted a higher growth rate (up 187% vs. 91% in the case of BEVs).

Results for the month:

  • BEVs: about *298,000 and 23% share
  • PHEVs: about *105,000 and 8% share
  • Total: 403,029 (up 109%) and 31% share

plug-in-electric-car-sales-in-china-may-2022.png

https://insideevs.com/news/594260/china-plugin-car-sales-may-2022/

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Tesla prepares to upgrade Gigafactory Shanghai to produce 21,000 EVs per week

Tesla gigafactory Shanghai main hero

Tesla is preparing to partly shut down Gigafactory Shanghai for a few weeks in order to upgrade the factory to a production capacity of 21,000 electric vehicles per week.

After a forced shutdown due to COVID-19 restrictions in Shanghai and then supply chain issues limiting the production, Tesla is now preparing to do a voluntary shut down to at least part of the production in order to do some significant upgrades.

Bloomberg reported that the upgrade will start in July and run through early August, and the upgrade aims to bring the total production to over 21,000 vehicles per week:

Upgrade work at the factory south of Shanghai is expected to be complete by around Aug. 7, with output of the Model Y SUV then increased to 14,000 units a week, from about 11,000 pre-pandemic, and production of the Model 3 sedan at 7,700 units a week from 5,500 previously, the people said.

This would bring Tesla’s production capacity in Shanghai to over 1 million electric vehicles per year.

CEO Elon Musk recently noted that Gigafactory Shanghai is just now back to a full production capacity of about half a million vehicles per year after the citywide lockdown. But prior to the shutdown, Tesla was already planning to greatly expand Gigafactory Shanghai to the point where the expansion has been referred to as a whole new factory.

If the upgrade is successful, Tesla is expecting that Gigafactory Shanghai will become the world’s largest vehicle export hub. Many vehicles produced at Gigafactory Shanghai are exported to other Asian markets, Oceania, and Europe.

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, that is still well below 1% of total vehicle market value.

I suppose in your world the entire new car market is well below 1% of the total vehicle market value.

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Tisk, tisk, you should know better than to believe the lies in ZeroHedge. China EV sales are going gangbusters. You would know that if you were a real economist capable of looking at the data.

Here are the official numbers from the 

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image.png.6a21a7952762cde49ab23fe7778fe4cf.png

 

image.png.58be4459cbfd523c9478dfa2fd544244.png

http://en.caam.org.cn/Index/show/catid/58/id/1871.html

China: Plug-In Car Sales Climbed To Over 400,000 In May 2022

The volume more than doubled year-over-year, while market share expanded to 31%.

some 403,029 new passenger plug-in electric cars were registered in China in May, which is 109% more than a year ago. The result represents also more than half of the global plug-in market.

The share of plug-in cars increased to 31%, including 23% for all-electric cars. BEVs remain in the majority, but PHEVs noted a higher growth rate (up 187% vs. 91% in the case of BEVs).

Results for the month:

  • BEVs: about *298,000 and 23% share
  • PHEVs: about *105,000 and 8% share
  • Total: 403,029 (up 109%) and 31% share

plug-in-electric-car-sales-in-china-may-2022.png

https://insideevs.com/news/594260/china-plugin-car-sales-may-2022/

That still leaves you with less than 1% of the total vehicle market value.

And upcoming lithium shortages will strangle the prospects going forward.

A losing trajectory.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Tesla prepares to upgrade Gigafactory Shanghai to produce 21,000 EVs per week

Tesla gigafactory Shanghai main hero

Tesla is preparing to partly shut down Gigafactory Shanghai for a few weeks in order to upgrade the factory to a production capacity of 21,000 electric vehicles per week.

After a forced shutdown due to COVID-19 restrictions in Shanghai and then supply chain issues limiting the production, Tesla is now preparing to do a voluntary shut down to at least part of the production in order to do some significant upgrades.

Bloomberg reported that the upgrade will start in July and run through early August, and the upgrade aims to bring the total production to over 21,000 vehicles per week:

Upgrade work at the factory south of Shanghai is expected to be complete by around Aug. 7, with output of the Model Y SUV then increased to 14,000 units a week, from about 11,000 pre-pandemic, and production of the Model 3 sedan at 7,700 units a week from 5,500 previously, the people said.

This would bring Tesla’s production capacity in Shanghai to over 1 million electric vehicles per year.

CEO Elon Musk recently noted that Gigafactory Shanghai is just now back to a full production capacity of about half a million vehicles per year after the citywide lockdown. But prior to the shutdown, Tesla was already planning to greatly expand Gigafactory Shanghai to the point where the expansion has been referred to as a whole new factory.

If the upgrade is successful, Tesla is expecting that Gigafactory Shanghai will become the world’s largest vehicle export hub. Many vehicles produced at Gigafactory Shanghai are exported to other Asian markets, Oceania, and Europe.

Golf carts?

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