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On 6/23/2022 at 4:11 PM, Ron Wagner said:

I live in central Illinois. 90% of Illinois is similar to where I live. All of the Midwest is too, but we have some of the most intensive corn and soybean land as do Iowa etc. I have been through most of Texas several times. About of third is what I would call wasteland which is mainly devoted to oil and gas, wind farms, cattle, etc. That area is dry and generally not farmland compared to Illinois. We have plenty of wind farms right around where I live. We get about forty inches of rain a year and have no irrigation needs except for melons that are grown near our Mississippi border. They do fine with our wind and are right in the middle of our cornfields. We have little really scenic areas here but nice lakes and fringes of woods, The further south you get in Illinois the hillier and prettier it looks to me. Texans might disagree with me but I think I am right..Large parts of the Southwest are also very barren and would be great for wind farms. Enough wind for everyone. I am all for wind farms in those areas and away from homes. 

It seems that wind farms have a bigger future than solar but I guess that depends on the future costs and technology. I just want to see them both made in the U.S.A. or a friendly country not trying to subvert America and the rest of the world. The end cost to the consumers is just as important IMHO. That includes the transmission lines, replacement turbines, labor costs, etc. 

 

Solar and wind in the dried up nasty wasteland is perfect for drilling, and renewables. Nothing is going to grow there. It’s very hot and little rain. I promote Permain  drilling and am happy we’re not forced to buy imported oil. Great sun as well. It’s just been like 3 years that tech crossed the financial tipping point for solar. So yea, it’s going to take off. But the battery component needs to catch up. It seems battery is now less than $100, down from $139 or so. A big help. But 3-5 years from now projections are another big efficiency jump in solar of 30%. Batteries may drop another $60 to 40. If this happens even gas can’t compete. It how fast can you build factories and install. 

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Reality says you are incompetent with data analysis as usual.

Cobalt is decreasing in price and it never even exceeded its 2018 high.

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Oh and let's look at Nickel. Wow, it is way down.

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Lithium peaked three months ago. 

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The price of copper is crashingL

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Ford Mustang Mach-E Is No Longer Profitable For The Blue Oval

Commodity cost has wiped that out so, from a bottom line standpoint.”

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4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

The voters will judge that in November. The EV revolution is limited by fossil fuel producers worldwide and by the costs involved in switching. It will be a slow and difficult road and none of us will be alive to see it near completion worldwide. 

Don't be silly, the cult doesn't care about the votes.

The trump coup attempt was real; and you were, and remain, a sucker.

 

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14 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ford Mustang Mach-E Is No Longer Profitable For The Blue Oval

Commodity cost has wiped that out so, from a bottom line standpoint.”

And if you read the underlying article you will see that they never planned on it being profitable from day one. Now they have to get it to scale as planned to achieve sustainable profitability as is normal.

Back in March, Ford CFO John Lawler admitted that the automaker’s all-electric vehicles wouldn’t be profitable until the second generation arrived, but the Ford Mustang Mach-E proved to be an exception to that rule early on with the EV crossover was turning a profit from the day it launched, 

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18 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ford Mustang Mach-E Is No Longer Profitable For The Blue Oval

Commodity cost has wiped that out so, from a bottom line standpoint.”

Ford has had several ICE flops. 

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Well then according to you all road vehicles amount to only a pin prick. Oh you keep forgetting to add rockets and aircraft carriers and submarines to your dumb proposition. Oh wait, aircraft carriers are EVs and so are submarines and the Mars rovers. 

Goods and services transportation. Less than 1% of the value.

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Reality says you are incompetent with data analysis as usual.

Cobalt is decreasing in price and it never even exceeded its 2018 high.

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Oh and let's look at Nickel. Wow, it is way down.

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Lithium peaked three months ago. 

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The price of copper is crashingL

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Lithium is up 400% on the year. More to follow.

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42 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And if you read the underlying article you will see that they never planned on it being profitable from day one. Now they have to get it to scale as planned to achieve sustainable profitability as is normal.

Back in March, Ford CFO John Lawler admitted that the automaker’s all-electric vehicles wouldn’t be profitable until the second generation arrived, but the Ford Mustang Mach-E proved to be an exception to that rule early on with the EV crossover was turning a profit from the day it launched, 

They will never make profitability with rising input costs.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Lithium is up 400% on the year. More to follow.

And now going down along with the other inputs. EV sales however are skyrocketing.

 

4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Goods and services transportation. Less than 1% of the value.

Oh aircraft carriers, submarines and Mar's rovers are all services transportation.

Keep making a fool of yourself for all to see.

 

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

They will never make profitability with rising input costs.

Tesla does which means that Ford can also.

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14 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And now going down along with the other inputs. EV sales however are skyrocketing.

 

Oh aircraft carriers, submarines and Mar's rovers are all services transportation.

Keep making a fool of yourself for all to see.

 

Yah, I saw a submarine delivering a package on this street the other day, accompanied by an aircraft carrier and a Tesla Mars vehicle.

Go slow, Jay, one thing at a time. And dream about that economics degree which never happened.

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Meanwhile, in the real world, Europe has started the process of backtracking and increasing fossil fuel production, putting the Green Dream on permanent hold.

https://www.reuters.com/world/g7-leaders-debate-fossil-fuel-investments-amid-energy-crisis-sources-2022-06-26/

"Some of the leaders of the Group of Seven (G7) rich democracies are pushing for an acknowledgement of the need for new financing for fossil energies investments, two sources told Reuters on Sunday, as European states scramble to diversify supplies."

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14 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Tesla does which means that Ford can also.

We will see when lithium gets banned.

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43 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Yah, I saw a submarine delivering a package on this street the other day, accompanied by an aircraft carrier and a Tesla Mars vehicle.

Go slow, Jay, one thing at a time. And dream about that economics degree which never happened.

Military protection is a service provided by the government, in fact you might even have noticed that  the military is called "the service" and Mar's rovers are scientific services. It is a simple concept for real economists to understand. If you had ever studied economics you would know how important government services are to the economy.

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5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

We will see when lithium gets banned.

No one is proposing a ban on Lithium.  You really do struggle with reading comprehension. 

The Commission’s consideration of lithium as a toxic substance is based on a report published by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA), which deems multiple lithium subgroups as known or “potential hazard[s] for reproductive toxicity.” Chinese SMM News explains that the ECHA report, if acted on by the European Commission, would not outright ban lithium imports,

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41 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Yah, I saw a submarine delivering a package on this street the other day, accompanied by an aircraft carrier and a Tesla Mars vehicle.

Go slow, Jay, one thing at a time. And dream about that economics degree which never happened.

The Amazon, etc. drones will be EV's.

Yes, it is "last mile" type delivery but it is really happening.

Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car.

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3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

The Amazon, etc. drones will be EV's.

Yes, it is "last mile" type delivery but it is really happening.

Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car.

Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car.????

 

be nice, Ecochump will be out of work if you replace him with an e-drone

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10 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Reality says you are incompetent with data analysis as usual.

Cobalt is decreasing in price and it never even exceeded its 2018 high.

image.png.12022ad06a207b8ff1553b8a5c1b305d.png

Oh and let's look at Nickel. Wow, it is way down.

image.png.599608c5492a94b23946ac0c7afef5e0.png

Lithium peaked three months ago. 

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The price of copper is crashingL

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Fed chairman just ended the commodities super-cycle. His next rate increase will devastate commodities including oil $90 oil by Thanksgiving????? $80 by Xmas????? anyone want to toss down where they think oil will end in 2022????

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4 hours ago, notsonice said:

Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car.????

 

be nice, Ecochump will be out of work if you replace him with an e-drone

Just put a dock into your pond in front of your house, the submarine can tie up there.

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4 hours ago, notsonice said:

Fed chairman just ended the commodities super-cycle. His next rate increase will devastate commodities including oil $90 oil by Thanksgiving????? $80 by Xmas????? anyone want to toss down where they think oil will end in 2022????

You are far removed from any intelligent market analysis...but no surprise there.

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India is desperately trying to ramp up coal output.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/India-Coal-Crisis-Is-Far-From-Over.html

"India is facing a “severe and protracted” power crisis due to the price inflation of coal, which the country uses to generate as much as 75 percent of its power, Indian media report, citing S&P Global Commodity Insights.

India found itself in the middle of a power shortage as several factors combined, including rising coal prices, which discouraged imports, leaving stockpiles at critically low levels, and a heat wave that pushed demand earlier this year much higher.

The country is working on boosting its domestic production, and this went up by 28.6 percent in financial 2021/22, which ended on May 31. This was a record high, at 777 million tons. However, boosting domestic coal production to a level of self-sufficiency will take a long time, which coal is needed now to power the economy."

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No one is proposing a ban on Lithium.  You really do struggle with reading comprehension. 

The Commission’s consideration of lithium as a toxic substance is based on a report published by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA), which deems multiple lithium subgroups as known or “potential hazard[s] for reproductive toxicity.” Chinese SMM News explains that the ECHA report, if acted on by the European Commission, would not outright ban lithium imports,

Ban on production and probable controls on lithium usage.

Fatal for EVs.

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More bad news for the Green Dreamers, fossil fuel usage is skyrocketing.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/World-Energy-Demand-Jumped-Above-Pre-COVID-Levels-In-2021.html

"BP Statistical Review of World Energy: primary energy in 2021 grew by its largest amount in history.

Emerging economies accounted for most of the increase.

The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021."

"...carbon equivalent emissions from energy (including methane), industrial processes, and flaring increased by 5.7% last year.”  "

The pathetic climate models which are driving the current climate panic have been exposed as poorly defined and inaccurately specified..

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

More bad news for the Green Dreamers, fossil fuel usage is skyrocketing.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/World-Energy-Demand-Jumped-Above-Pre-COVID-Levels-In-2021.html

"BP Statistical Review of World Energy: primary energy in 2021 grew by its largest amount in history.

Emerging economies accounted for most of the increase.

The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021."

"...carbon equivalent emissions from energy (including methane), industrial processes, and flaring increased by 5.7% last year.”  "

The pathetic climate models which are driving the current climate panic have been exposed as poorly defined and inaccurately specified..

Per your linked article:

"The rise in primary energy between 2019 and 2021 was entirely driven by renewable energy sources. The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021, with lower oil demand offset by higher natural gas and coal consumption, according to BP."

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

More bad news for the Green Dreamers, fossil fuel usage is skyrocketing.

The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021."

 

You don't even pay attention to your own claim being disproven by your own  post. How sad. 

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