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10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Another speed bump for the Green Dream advocates, it appears that coal production is being ramped up world-wide, and even Norway is opposing the Green Dream outline. I guess the new coal technology has persuaded many countries to go with coal, with the new technology refining the toxic chemicals out of coal-burning generators.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/More-Than-2-Billion-Tons-Of-Coal-Mining-Capacity-Is-About-To-Come-Online.html

Here is the report showing how world coal supply is being ramped up at a terrific rate, which adds to the carbon footprint of increased electrical demand. Those EV's just upped their carbon draw by a huge factor.

https://globalenergymonitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/CoalMines_2021_r4.pdf

 

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Another speed bump for the Green Dream advocates, it appears that coal production is being ramped up world-wide, and even Norway is opposing the Green Dream outline. I guess the new coal technology has persuaded many countries to go with coal, with the new technology refining the toxic chemicals out of coal-burning generators.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/More-Than-2-Billion-Tons-Of-Coal-Mining-Capacity-Is-About-To-Come-Online.html

This is very insightful read, thanks!!!

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On 6/7/2021 at 4:26 PM, Ecocharger said:

I was just about to post this link myself. Amazing research.

Let's take a look at the amazing research. 

The research bases its whole premise on the fact that EV's are 50% heavier than ICE and that extra weight is the source of the high level of embedded CO2.

Let's compare the Tesla Model 3LR with its primary comparable ICE competitor, the BMW 330xi:

330xi = 3686 lbs. 

Model 3LR = 4,065 lbs. 

Whoops, that is only 10% more.

Now let's look at the base models of each:

330i = 3560 lbs.

Model 3SR = 3582 lbs.

Uh oh! that is only .6% heavier.

Maybe the performance models will give credence to the research:

M340xi = 3979 lbs.

Model 3 Performance = 4065 lbs.

I guess not as that is only 2% heavier.

Perhaps the Model Y?

Model Y = 4416 lbs.

Lexus NX = 4050 lbs.

Audi  Q5 4079 lbs.

Mercedes GLC 3977 lbs.

BMW x3 = 4147 lbs.

So Model Y is at most 11% heavier than its comparable ICE.

Your "amazing research" is just another pile of steaming crap.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Let's take a look at the amazing research. 

The research bases its whole premise on the fact that EV's are 50% heavier than ICE and that extra weight is the source of the high level of embedded CO2.

Let's compare the Tesla Model 3LR with its primary comparable ICE competitor, the BMW 330xi:

330xi = 3686 lbs. 

Model 3LR = 4,065 lbs. 

Whoops, that is only 10% more.

Now let's look at the base models of each:

330i = 3560 lbs.

Model 3SR = 3582 lbs.

Uh oh! that is only .6% heavier.

Maybe the performance models will give credence to the research:

M340xi = 3979 lbs.

Model 3 Performance = 4065 lbs.

I guess not as that is only 2% heavier.

Perhaps the Model Y?

Model Y = 4416 lbs.

Lexus NX = 4050 lbs.

Audi  Q5 4079 lbs.

Mercedes GLC 3977 lbs.

BMW x3 = 4147 lbs.

So Model Y is at most 11% heavier than its comparable ICE.

Your "amazing research" is just another pile of steaming crap.

 

 

Jay, you are wise to hang on to that amazing BMW you drive, and avoid those EV clunkers. And now Norway has joined the pro-coal countries to keep you company.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, you are wise to hang on to that amazing BMW you drive, and avoid those EV clunkers. 

Another ad hominem. That's the best you got? How pathetic.

Then it stands, what you think is amazing research is just another steaming pile of crap. 

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California Q1 results are out. BEV at 8.1% market share.

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Progressives draw red line on keeping climate provisions in infrastructure bill

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/09/progressives-climate-provisions-infrastructure-492667

Many Democrats behind the scenes worry climate change has faded from center stage.

Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) was even blunter in a tweet: "No climate, no deal," he wrote

The End.

 

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19 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Another ad hominem. That's the best you got? How pathetic.

Then it stands, what you think is amazing research is just another steaming pile of crap. 

No, that is good research. And you are very hip to hang on to your ICE. No ad hominem intended, I drive an ICE, too. We are both wise.

"the difference would be negligible — there would be no reduction in CO2 output."

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18 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

California Q1 results are out. BEV at 8.1% market share.

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And a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of total vehicle stock. Your chart only looks at new vehicle registrations.

Not going to grow fast.

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47 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Progressives draw red line on keeping climate provisions in infrastructure bill

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/09/progressives-climate-provisions-infrastructure-492667

Many Democrats behind the scenes worry climate change has faded from center stage.

Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) was even blunter in a tweet: "No climate, no deal," he wrote

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Reality has finally sunk in.

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

And a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of total vehicle stock. Your chart only looks at new vehicle registrations.

Not going to grow fast.

Yep, an agonizingly slow 3x growth in 4 years. We are only on track to be at 25% in '25.

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, that is good research. And you are very hip to hang on to your ICE. No ad hominem intended, I drive an ICE, too. We are both wise.

"the difference would be negligible — there would be no reduction in CO2 output."

I showed that the fundamental premise the entire body of research was based on is completely false. Of course you would still think it was good research. I expect nothing more of you.

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9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yep, an agonizingly slow 3x growth in 4 years. We are only on track to be at 25% in '25.

When you start from a small base, any growth yields a high percentage....you took math in college, right?

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8 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I showed that the fundamental premise the entire body of research was based on is completely false. Of course you would still think it was good research. I expect nothing more of you.

The article establishes a good foundation of facts to work from.

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Oil demand looks very strong going forward, still the go-to transportation fuel.

Political pressures may cause the Biden folks to ease up on any "transition" to enable lower income people to continue driving and satisfy the main electoral base.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Could-Reach-80-This-Summer-But-Theres-A-Catch.html

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On 4/23/2021 at 2:24 AM, JoMack said:

As Biden, the President of Climate Change, and Kerry, our fabulous Climate Czar, who just gave Japan the thumbs up to dump millions of tons of waste water from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean, who then flies off in his private jet to Martha's Vineyard, decide to create a massive legislative boondoggle called the Green New Deal.  Now, they are not alone, they have the full throated backing from a bartender from Westchester NY, a socialist from Vermont, and other liberal climatoligists who get on twitter and tell us definitely that we're all going to all die in 10 years if we don't comply.  So, all of the climate crew are preparing to bring America into the dark ages. We have the new DOE Grishom, ex-Michigan Gov. who didn't meet a pipeline she didn't want to expunge (and Whitmer has now taken up the mantel on Line 5), and then we have Haaland, head of DOI, who didn't meet a drilling rig she didn't want to burn to the ground.  So, we have a group of thugs, pushing their agenda, and with no solutions, objectives,  science, economics, or the actual future of the U.S. in mind, so they press ahead with a monumental agenda where no one wins, expect them.

In 4 months, the U.S. production has dropped over 2 million barrels and the climate wizards are demanding that the U.S. drop its emissions by 50% by 2030.  WHOA!  How is that going to work?  Doesn't matter, just gut up and do it.  Overhauling the electric grid?  1/2 million charging stations?  refitting millions of buildings, transitioning all federal vehicles to EVs, etc.  It's such a lofty goal, but while being in Texas in February, I know for certain, that even 4 days without power, heat, communication and black ice, car dead, it's a pretty scary ordeal, and that's just 4 days.  So, just wondering just a bit about solar and wind, no one seems to be considering the problem of the massive renewable capacity that will be required to supply energy to the nation.  Not only the grid, but the vast swaths of land with new infrastructure at the same time that politicians and landowners from California to Vermont are fighting against the encroachment of large-scale renewable energy projects.

New York is shutting down its last nuclear plant at Indian Point and Gov. (in big trouble) Cuomo won't allow drilling or pipelines, so this should be pretty interesting to watch next winter, L.A. County banned large wind turbines and San Bernardino Co, Humboldt County, and Santa Barbara County rejected new wind turbines in their communities.  So as California, the big kahuna of renewable energy, between 2013 and 2019 California added less than 200MW of new wind energy capacity.  California as we know, will do anything to get to their goal of 30% lower emissions this year, so it's not much of a challenge to find some of the projects they have promoted in order to reach that standard.  Below is Ivanpah, with 350,000 garage size heliostats (mirrors) with 3 459' boiling towers costing $2.2B, backed by the U.S. taxpayers.  The facility has had more problems than Biden's thought process and the beams from the sun blind pilots going into LAX, scorch birds out of the sky (called streamers) - not sparrows by the way, covers 4000 feet of land in the Mojave Desert which "was" protected for wind burrow and the desert tortoise (but, it's for the good of the environment you idiots), and its capacity for all its cost and environmental issues it generates 342MW of power.  That would be 140,000 homes.  Yup, what a great project, and let's mot forget Crescent Dunes, another solar project that went bankrupt last year.  

 

So, we are going into a big giant mass of insanity with the Biden Administration going back into the Iran Nuclear Deal and handing them bucks and China is paying Iran with their cryptocurrency to a million+ bbls of oil.  So, the energy sector along with the country is in big trouble, and it's been 4 months.  We see the oil price moving about $5 bucks up and down every couple of weeks, and it's unsettling with banks lending on environmental risk and social justice risk.  Before the "Woke" came into play between energy and the lenders, risk was based on the proven reserves, developed and undeveloped, and now, how the hell do you calculate social justice risk?  But, wait, Exxon, BP, Shell, Conoco has been fighting failing states like NY, MA, CT, DE (Biden's home town BTW) CA, etc. (blue=disaster), for climate change disinformation.  As Biden says "Wreaked Havoc on Our Climate"! So, the Majors are now folding to the woke crowd, climate change will be the breakthrough for huge legal class actions, and the big question after all is said and done, will America survive?

 

 

 

 

 

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It doesn’t help when that Red Communist Bloomberg keeps posting of the unrealistic expectations of EV’s in the next 20 years!!

Behind Braindead Joe he is there biggest Propagandist! What a piece of shit, then ad pedophile Bill Gates to the group to make it complete! Everyone thought SOROS was the biggest asshole, but he just was the face hiding this group of assholes….

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

When you start from a small base, any growth yields a high percentage....you took math in college, right?

There is a big difference between percent change and percentage points.

He was saying 25% of the market share, not a 25% increase of current levels.

Did you take reading comprehension?  :)

 

 

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14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yep, an agonizingly slow 3x growth in 4 years. We are only on track to be at 25% in '25.

The math always works when it's a guess Jay.

You're on track to be 135% of the the market by 2040.  

 

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4 hours ago, Bob D said:

The math always works when it's a guess Jay.

You're on track to be 135% of the the market by 2040.  

 

It always seems to stop growing at 100%, funny dat. Extrapolating a growth curve is a core function of economics.

I expect it to be an s curve growth rate.  We'll reach 75% between 2030 and 2035. About then the growth rate will slow significantly, however that other 25% will be PHEV or Hydrogen.  

 

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

It always seems to stop growing at 100%, funny dat. Extrapolating a growth curve is a core function of economics.

However I do expect it to be an s curve growth rate.  We'll reach 75% between 2030 and 2035. About then the growth rate will slow significantly, however that other 25% will be PHEV or Hydrogen.  

 

He did not specify, right? It would nice to read something that is coherent.

We will not see 25% for a long time, with oil use rapidly increasing for transportation. 

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