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19 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/prices-waste-wood-product-soaring-183637120.html

 

Prices for a waste-wood product are soaring as Russia's war in Ukraine upends supplies and stokes a US export surge

 
 
Brian Evans
Mon, August 8, 2022 at 1:36 PM
 
 
The US is filling a void for wood pellets because of Russia's war in Ukraine upending supplies.
 
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  • Russia's war in Ukraine is pushing the US to fill a void for waste-wood exports.

  • Prices have soared as a result for pellets, which are used in Western Europe as a coal alternative.

  • US exports of waste-wood are outpacing 2021 metrics so far this year.

Russia's war in Ukraine has upended supplies of essential waste wood exports to Western Europe and the US is filling the void.

A report from the Wall Street Journal said that wood-pellets originating from Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine are being held up and pushing prices higher. As a result, US exports of waste wood have soared to $170 a ton compared to $140 at the same time last year. So far this year, the US has moved 7.4 million metric tons of pellets abroad.

 

Western Europe uses waste-wood for energy production instead of coal, as burning pellets counts toward emission targets in Europe.

And companies are reaping the benefits of the constraints on supplies. Shares of Enviva Inc., based in Maryland, have seen a return of 114% since shortly before the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, compare to the 42% gain for the S&P 500 in the same period.

And more supply is needed to make up for the loss stemming from the war in Ukraine. Roughly 3 million tonnes needs to be replaced. Enviva told the WSJ that the company signed a slate of new deals with German customers for five, 10 and 15 years. Natural gas and oil have also soared in Europe in response to the war and resulting supply constraints.

Burning wood pellets is no cleaner than using coal for energy, environmentalists say, when accounting for total emissions.

Not much less than the price of corn aka maize. 

US Maize Price is at a current level of 222.30, down from 231.13 last month and down from 270.39 one year ago. This is a change of -3.82% from last month and -17.79% from one year ago.
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I lived in GA at one time for several years. In my area logging was huge. The left over fields after harvest had plenty of waste to turn into pellets. I was told there was no demand. Rotting trees to the Ukraine and Europe might be big business. 

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1 hour ago, Boat said:

I lived in GA at one time for several years. In my area logging was huge. The left over fields after harvest had plenty of waste to turn into pellets. I was told there was no demand. Rotting trees to the Ukraine and Europe might be big business. 

That is a bald faced lie about stuff left in fields.  Resideu feeds the biology of the soil creating LESS need for fertilizer.  Sure, you can bale up the corn, hay stubble down to nothing, but then you will quickly require vast quantities of fertilizer.  Then one still has the massive problem of transportation of said residue TO end destination in significant quantities to make it worth while to have yards to store said residue in....   And if you ARE collecting said residue, then it is cheaper to feed it to cattle instead of feed.  It is why you have to be VERY careful buying land that has been leased for a long time as the leased land has generally had its soil DESTROYED by those leasing the land as they take EVERY last scrap of carbon/residue off the land and then "miraculously" for some "unknown" reason they stop leasing the land as the fertilizer cost is waaaaayyyy too high.   AG land in USA is weird as the cost of the land is extremely high, but if you pencil it out as a business even under perfect conditions your payback period is at least 40 years and lately as high as 70 years as many people hold onto the land or buy the land as stores of value in an inflation economy as generally speaking the taxes on said AG land are very low.  And since there is VAST government subsidy for corn/soy creating ethanol this massively inflates the price as well as half the corn/soy land in USA is used via government subsidy for ethanol that otherwise would NEVER pencil out economically.  This also just goes to show how absurdly DUMB the greenie morons are regarding biofuels by the way.  There is not enough land even if the goal was nothing but ethanol/biodiesel. 

Yes, Georgia/Maine have vast amounts of forest that used to be used for paper and currently is not as the USA has decreased its paper demand by 40% compared to 20 years ago.  All due to the computer.  Paper initially increased due to the computer as it now was easier for the common man to print, but then dropped drastically as everyone stopped printing and instead saved data on DVD/USB or equivalent memory devices. 

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8 hours ago, Boat said:

I lived in GA at one time for several years. In my area logging was huge. The left over fields after harvest had plenty of waste to turn into pellets. I was told there was no demand. Rotting trees to the Ukraine and Europe might be big business. 

America makes billions off of exports of wood pellets. Sales have been rising for obvious reasons. Long term may not be that great but the fuel is there. 

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10 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The drastic reduction in standard of living for the average person is caused by the energy revolution.

Mainly because of putting their faith in Russia giving them fair prices for natural gas and oil. That caused them to neglect all their own energy options. When war in Ukraine made Russia's plans obvious the new cold war began. More of a warm war actually. NATO versus Russia now. Ukraine vowing to build an army of one million with NATO countries training and equipping it. It sounds like a Russia is going to turn against Putin and he wants to make a deal that Ukraine will reject fully. Ukraine wants all of its land back.

The Russian people are going to be unreliable followers of Putin IMHO. They are being barred from traveling to NATO countries on trips because visas are being withheld from them by those countries one by one. The Russian standard of living is far below that of  Western Europe already, and is falling further. 

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On 8/10/2022 at 1:57 AM, Ron Wagner said:

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Is It Cost Effective To Make Corn Stalk Pellets?

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  • Q: How to pellet corn stalk? Are corn stalk pellets suitable for home heating or warming? How much is the corn stalk pellet mill? Is it affordable for the common family? And one more question, is it possible to improve an old coal boiler and make it suitable to burn biomass pellets? How much would that save if I burn corn stalk pellets instead of coal?

A: Corn stalks can be directly processed into pellets. Corn stalk pellets have already been widely applied to urban and rural cooking and warming. The price of a pellet mill differs between different sizes and types. Generally, a small pellet machine is around 300-500. And a 200-500kg/h pellet plant (including slicing, drying, crushing, pelletizing, cooling, screening, conveying, dedusting and packing) costs about 70,000-90,000$.

 Making Corn Stalks Into Pellet Fuel

We all know that burning straw is bad for the air, but we can't find a reasonable and environment-friendly way to deal with it. Just like we all know that environmental pollution is too serious, but can't find an easyway to solve it. Wood pellet mill machine is such an environmental protection equipment, the corn straw will be processed and effectively used to turn into highly effective fuel used for heating and cooking at home etc. effectively solving the problems of corn stalks stacking in the countryside.

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  • Applications of Final Corn Stalk Pellets

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NOTE: The cost of corn stalk is free or very low, the production cost is decided by your requirements, and you can use the final produced corn stalk pellets for many applications. (Related article:biomass pellet machine price>>)

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Straw and other tough grass derived material tends to be full of silicates that gum up burner equipment. Is it not the case for corn stalks?

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On 8/10/2022 at 12:44 AM, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/prices-waste-wood-product-soaring-183637120.html

 

Prices for a waste-wood product are soaring as Russia's war in Ukraine upends supplies and stokes a US export surge

 
 
Brian Evans
Mon, August 8, 2022 at 1:36 PM
 
 
The US is filling a void for wood pellets because of Russia's war in Ukraine upending supplies.
 
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  • Russia's war in Ukraine is pushing the US to fill a void for waste-wood exports.

  • Prices have soared as a result for pellets, which are used in Western Europe as a coal alternative.

  • US exports of waste-wood are outpacing 2021 metrics so far this year.

Russia's war in Ukraine has upended supplies of essential waste wood exports to Western Europe and the US is filling the void.

A report from the Wall Street Journal said that wood-pellets originating from Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine are being held up and pushing prices higher. As a result, US exports of waste wood have soared to $170 a ton compared to $140 at the same time last year. So far this year, the US has moved 7.4 million metric tons of pellets abroad.

 

Western Europe uses waste-wood for energy production instead of coal, as burning pellets counts toward emission targets in Europe.

And companies are reaping the benefits of the constraints on supplies. Shares of Enviva Inc., based in Maryland, have seen a return of 114% since shortly before the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, compare to the 42% gain for the S&P 500 in the same period.

And more supply is needed to make up for the loss stemming from the war in Ukraine. Roughly 3 million tonnes needs to be replaced. Enviva told the WSJ that the company signed a slate of new deals with German customers for five, 10 and 15 years. Natural gas and oil have also soared in Europe in response to the war and resulting supply constraints.

Burning wood pellets is no cleaner than using coal for energy, environmentalists say, when accounting for total emissions.

Not much less than the price of corn aka maize. 

US Maize Price is at a current level of 222.30, down from 231.13 last month and down from 270.39 one year ago. This is a change of -3.82% from last month and -17.79% from one year ago.
RCW
 
 
 

"Waste wood" is Newspeak. They are very likely to turn whole trees into this. It is illegal in Scandinavia, but in Russia, it is OK. What about the US?

Looks like the war might save the forests of Carpathian Mountains. They had seen some predatory deforestation of late. Just for lowly firewood to export to the EU. Ukraine does not have much in a way of softwood required for a proper pellet.

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On 8/11/2022 at 5:08 AM, Ron Wagner said:

Mainly because of putting their faith in Russia giving them fair prices for natural gas and oil. That caused them to neglect all their own energy options. When war in Ukraine made Russia's plans obvious the new cold war began. More of a warm war actually. NATO versus Russia now. Ukraine vowing to build an army of one million with NATO countries training and equipping it. It sounds like a Russia is going to turn against Putin and he wants to make a deal that Ukraine will reject fully. Ukraine wants all of its land back.

The Russian people are going to be unreliable followers of Putin IMHO. They are being barred from traveling to NATO countries on trips because visas are being withheld from them by those countries one by one. The Russian standard of living is far below that of  Western Europe already, and is falling further. 

Russia always did give them fair prices, despite several yeas of economic warfare against its gas interests already. Finally, the Eurofags succeeded at breaking this critical relationship. Nobody to blame, but themselves.

How eager you are to fight this war to the last Ukrainian. Ukraine is costing the American taxpayer $6 bln/month just to pay the running costs. It is effectively your colony now. They need a lot more, though, and will go broke come wintertime, one way or another. Unless you feel like doubling your charitable contributions? Russia is winning anyway. Being banned to traveling to which NATO countries, the Latverias? Good riddance. That's three economic zombies right there, with official inflation rates over 20%.

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7 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

That is a bald faced lie about stuff left in fields.  Resideu feeds the biology of the soil creating LESS need for fertilizer.  Sure, you can bale up the corn, hay stubble down to nothing, but then you will quickly require vast quantities of fertilizer.  Then one still has the massive problem of transportation of said residue TO end destination in significant quantities to make it worth while to have yards to store said residue in....   And if you ARE collecting said residue, then it is cheaper to feed it to cattle instead of feed.  It is why you have to be VERY careful buying land that has been leased for a long time as the leased land has generally had its soil DESTROYED by those leasing the land as they take EVERY last scrap of carbon/residue off the land and then "miraculously" for some "unknown" reason they stop leasing the land as the fertilizer cost is waaaaayyyy too high.   AG land in USA is weird as the cost of the land is extremely high, but if you pencil it out as a business even under perfect conditions your payback period is at least 40 years and lately as high as 70 years as many people hold onto the land or buy the land as stores of value in an inflation economy as generally speaking the taxes on said AG land are very low.  And since there is VAST government subsidy for corn/soy creating ethanol this massively inflates the price as well as half the corn/soy land in USA is used via government subsidy for ethanol that otherwise would NEVER pencil out economically.  This also just goes to show how absurdly DUMB the greenie morons are regarding biofuels by the way.  There is not enough land even if the goal was nothing but ethanol/biodiesel. 

Yes, Georgia/Maine have vast amounts of forest that used to be used for paper and currently is not as the USA has decreased its paper demand by 40% compared to 20 years ago.  All due to the computer.  Paper initially increased due to the computer as it now was easier for the common man to print, but then dropped drastically as everyone stopped printing and instead saved data on DVD/USB or equivalent memory devices. 

Straw, bagasse from cane and, likely, whatever corn residues, take forever to decompose. If you till them in, you cannot do it every year. It is mostly crap cellulose and silicates. Doubt that it contributes to soil quality much. You are much better off burning the stuff.

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9 hours ago, Boat said:

I lived in GA at one time for several years. In my area logging was huge. The left over fields after harvest had plenty of waste to turn into pellets. I was told there was no demand. Rotting trees to the Ukraine and Europe might be big business. 

There is more demand for wood pellets than for any other wood product, but papermaking pulp. It is best to use whole trees for both of these. "Wood waste" is likely Newspeak. (It is illegal to turn whole trees into woodchip/pellets in Scandinavia only, AFAIK, yet it is OK to turn them into pulp) Wood pellets are about the cheapest product being shipped any distance. There is no enduring commercial advantage for US to ship its pellets to Europe, just like there isn't any for US LNG. That is, it is all based on politics. As soon as Europeans may choose based on best price again, Russia wins.

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4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:
15 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The drastic reduction in standard of living for the average person is caused by the energy revolution.

Mainly because of putting their faith in Russia giving them fair prices for natural gas and oil

Actually Ron this isnt the case at all.

The UK used to only buy 4% of its total NG usage and 9% of its oil usage, obviously now both are zero.

The massive price hikes, 3 fold electricity increases and 7 fold gas price increases, reflect market conditions caused by the Eu's stupidity with Russia and not the UK's. To single source all your energy requirements from what is in effect a hostile country is unbelievably stupid and then combine this with the war in Ukraine and we have the perfect shitstorm.

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1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

Actually Ron this isnt the case at all.

The UK used to only buy 4% of its total NG usage and 9% of its oil usage, obviously now both are zero.

The massive price hikes, 3 fold electricity increases and 7 fold gas price increases, reflect market conditions caused by the Eu's stupidity with Russia and not the UK's. To single source all your energy requirements from what is in effect a hostile country is unbelievably stupid and then combine this with the war in Ukraine and we have the perfect shitstorm.

You source your energy from wherever it is available and most affordable. They don't call it a commodity for nothing? You are paying for doing SOMETHING ELSE than buying from Russia. Let's call it wanting to hog the moral high ground? Something that you usually get away with impunity. Not this time, though.

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

You source your energy from wherever it is available and most affordable. They don't call it a commodity for nothing? You are paying for doing SOMETHING ELSE than buying from Russia. Let's call it wanting to hog the moral high ground? Something that you usually get away with impunity. Not this time, though.

No, we're buying it from the same sources we always have done but the stupid morons in the EU have created this problem for the commodity. We arent "paying for doing something else than buying from Russia" as you claim as we didnt buy it from you in the first place! cant you read?

Oh and as for moral high ground according to you mother Russia is the ultimate saint that can and never has done anything wrong EVER! You have a very warped view on history and current affairs.

Have a read on your mate Stalin

https://allthatsinteresting.com/how-many-people-did-stalin-kill

 

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16 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

No, we're buying it from the same sources we always have done but the stupid morons in the EU have created this problem for the commodity. We arent "paying for doing something else than buying from Russia" as you claim as we didnt buy it from you in the first place! cant you read?

Oh and as for moral high ground according to you mother Russia is the ultimate saint that can and never has done anything wrong EVER! You have a very warped view on history and current affairs.

Have a read on your mate Stalin

https://allthatsinteresting.com/how-many-people-did-stalin-kill

 

Whatever. It is the same commodity market you are buying from. Having said that, BP used to be a 19% shareholder of Rosneft. You got none of that oil? Really? Really really?

The current crisis is very clearly a Western creation, and could've been avoided by you just as easily. Stop staging color revolutions in other countries, perhaps? You didn't exactly have to overthrow the Ukrainian government, which lead to civil war, which lead to Russia eventually entering it. So, the crisis is not exactly current, but a whole 8 years old. Longer than the duration of WWII.

Your link leads to morons that are so bad, that they don't even know how to count. USSR reached 150 mln peak population under Stalin, and lost some 27 mln during WWII. Except for that period, the population grew at a steady pace of some 2%. Whacking 60 mln means whacking EVERY OTHER person in the country! Where do they get such moron propagandists? Instead, try

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

Which explains the obvious. The mortality figures have to at least agree with the Soviet census data, which is now available. This requires downgrading the body counts used in your propaganda down a couple of orders of magnitude.

You do know that Stalin is also somewhat vilified in modern Russia and the way history is taught there? The longer I live, the more I like the guy, though. He must have done something right, for somebody to still be sponsoring dancing on his grave. A classical case of monkeys kicking a dead lion, I say.

A prophetic quote on that

quote-i-know-that-after-my-death-a-pile-

 

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yeah of course if you say so, he was a lovely guy!

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3 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Whatever. It is the same commodity market you are buying from. Having said that, BP used to be a 19% shareholder of Rosneft. You got none of that oil? Really? Really really?

The current crisis is very clearly a Western creation, and could've been avoided by you just as easily. Stop staging color revolutions in other countries, perhaps? You didn't exactly have to overthrow the Ukrainian government, which lead to civil war, which lead to Russia eventually entering it. So, the crisis is not exactly current, but a whole 8 years old. Longer than the duration of WWII.

Your link leads to morons that are so bad, that they don't even know how to count. USSR reached 150 mln peak population under Stalin, and lost some 27 mln during WWII. Except for that period, the population grew at a steady pace of some 2%. Whacking 60 mln means whacking EVERY OTHER person in the country! Where do they get such moron propagandists? Instead, try

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

Which explains the obvious. The mortality figures have to at least agree with the Soviet census data, which is now available. This requires downgrading the body counts used in your propaganda down a couple of orders of magnitude.

You do know that Stalin is also somewhat vilified in modern Russia and the way history is taught there? The longer I live, the more I like the guy, though. He must have done something right, for somebody to still be sponsoring dancing on his grave. A classical case of monkeys kicking a dead lion, I say.

A prophetic quote on that

quote-i-know-that-after-my-death-a-pile-

 

BP is a global oil major they dont go and develop oil fields to sell into the UK! D'oh!

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13 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Straw and other tough grass derived material tends to be full of silicates that gum up burner equipment. Is it not the case for corn stalks?

I really don't know, I burned corn kernels which left a small residue that you could hold in your palm per five gallons. At that time it was about 30% cheaper than wood pellets. That price ration is now reversed. Corn and pellets can be burned in ordinary wood stoves which are simple to clean also. Mine fed the kernels, and only required a small smokestack that could go out the wall of the house. There was some waste heat unfortunately. 

The burning in an ordinary wood stove might require special grates for more aeration, but I have no experience with that either. 

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7 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

You source your energy from wherever it is available and most affordable. They don't call it a commodity for nothing? You are paying for doing SOMETHING ELSE than buying from Russia. Let's call it wanting to hog the moral high ground? Something that you usually get away with impunity. Not this time, though.

Russia raised their prices substantially because they thought they could do that and still invade Ukraine. When they lied about not invading and then did invade a third time (recently) they infuriated Europe because of their deceit an brutality. By doing this Putin made the biggest mistake of his life. Now all of Europe and Scandinavia are turned irrevocably against Russian aggression along with the rest of the free world. The future of Russia is as a nuclear power with an economy based on fossil fuels. It is now hampered by losing trade with Europe and the Free World. 

Fossil fuels will be produced worldwide for as long as they are needed. Russian and other high prices will gradually fall as much of Russia's products will be avoided. Equipment Russia needs for a strong economy will not be as available nor will its customers.

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14 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

"Waste wood" is Newspeak. They are very likely to turn whole trees into this. It is illegal in Scandinavia, but in Russia, it is OK. What about the US?

Looks like the war might save the forests of Carpathian Mountains. They had seen some predatory deforestation of late. Just for lowly firewood to export to the EU. Ukraine does not have much in a way of softwood required for a proper pellet.

I drive all over the woodlands of America. I have lived in Germany and traveled Europe. Europe uses forestry science. America does not. America lets most of its woodland grow wild. When I say wild, what I mean is, you cannot walk through it. It needs to be thinned so that the best trees can be allowed to grow into lumber. The thinning process is continuous because of overgrowth. The amount of cellulose available is incredibly large. Billions of tons per year are available if pursued. 

European forests are beautiful but are planted symmetrically so that they grow as well as possible. They are more park like and attractive and allow for better hiking. If they are needed for lumber the foresters mark certain trees and leave others. Europeans have traditionally culled limbs for firewood, in some locales. Certain tree species are great for that. The "pollarding" process allows small diameter wood to be used for firewood and saves the tree. No splitting is needed either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollarding

We do have a lot of private tree farms that use a different type of forestry that is not ideal. They do not use a checkerboard type system but use clear cutting which is not attractive but is no worse than what a forest fire causes. 

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22 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

That is a bald faced lie about stuff left in fields.  Resideu feeds the biology of the soil creating LESS need for fertilizer.  Sure, you can bale up the corn, hay stubble down to nothing, but then you will quickly require vast quantities of fertilizer.  Then one still has the massive problem of transportation of said residue TO end destination in significant quantities to make it worth while to have yards to store said residue in....   And if you ARE collecting said residue, then it is cheaper to feed it to cattle instead of feed.  It is why you have to be VERY careful buying land that has been leased for a long time as the leased land has generally had its soil DESTROYED by those leasing the land as they take EVERY last scrap of carbon/residue off the land and then "miraculously" for some "unknown" reason they stop leasing the land as the fertilizer cost is waaaaayyyy too high.   AG land in USA is weird as the cost of the land is extremely high, but if you pencil it out as a business even under perfect conditions your payback period is at least 40 years and lately as high as 70 years as many people hold onto the land or buy the land as stores of value in an inflation economy as generally speaking the taxes on said AG land are very low.  And since there is VAST government subsidy for corn/soy creating ethanol this massively inflates the price as well as half the corn/soy land in USA is used via government subsidy for ethanol that otherwise would NEVER pencil out economically.  This also just goes to show how absurdly DUMB the greenie morons are regarding biofuels by the way.  There is not enough land even if the goal was nothing but ethanol/biodiesel. 

Yes, Georgia/Maine have vast amounts of forest that used to be used for paper and currently is not as the USA has decreased its paper demand by 40% compared to 20 years ago.  All due to the computer.  Paper initially increased due to the computer as it now was easier for the common man to print, but then dropped drastically as everyone stopped printing and instead saved data on DVD/USB or equivalent memory devices. 

We are importing cheap pulp paper from Amazonia also. We are such great ecologists while we harvest the Amazon. We did the same with America. There is nothing wrong with it as long as national parks and forests remain untouched or well managed. 

Woodlots and large forest plantations can be fertilized as needed just as are our beautiful corn and soybean fields. Grass provides lots of nitrogen to forests also, as do their leaves. Even pines lose their old needles over the year. It is all part of forestry science. Our woodlands are often just a tangled mess. 

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Despite desperate attempts by  Biden & Co. to spook the oil and gasoline markets, prices of both will apparently rise in a sustained upward momentum going forward.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Goldman-Sees-5-Gasoline-130-Brent-By-Year-End.html

"As for crude oil prices, Courvalin sees Brent climbing to $130 by the end of the year. “So we think Brent goes to $130 per barrel at the end of this year to reflect this need for sustained high prices.”

“We’re still in deficit. Despite growth slowing, prices still have work to do, and that’s higher from here.”

Goldman’s forecast assumes China’s demand for jet fuel and diesel only grows moderately from here until the end of 2023, pressured by its zero-Covid policy. 

That scenario could shift, Courvalin points out. “If we’re talking half a million barrels per day of Chinese demand going back to its prior highs, just on our pricing model, that’s $15 upside per barrel to Brent prices.”

In the shorter term, Courvalin sees gasoline and diesel prices going up as refiners head into turnaround season due to the lack of a typical inventory buffer that is currently not present in the market.

As of the latest EIA data, total motor gasoline inventories in the United States were 6% below the five-year average for this time of year, while distillate fuels were 24% below the five-year average."

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On 7/29/2022 at 7:59 AM, notsonice said:

what are you smoking??? you never post anything to support your BS....

The scientists have shown us that CO2 and earth temperature are negatively correlated,????

yet you post nothing to support your BS. 

If you are not high on crack , you have to be a paid troll , the only question is who are you working for??????

The paper with the data was first introduced here in a link by Jay. I pointed out that there was a lag in the data set between earth temperature and CO2 levels, and that CO2 appeared to be the dependent variable, with earth temperature the independent variable. That is, the direction of causation was from earth temperature to CO2 levels, the reverse of the standard climate change mantra.

Now I see that there was actually a paper published in 2012 along the same lines, supporting the indications in the work cited by Jay, showing that CO2 changes are apparently caused by changes in earth temperature.

"The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature

Abstract

Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets: 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 😎 GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11-12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.

 

Publication: Global and Planetary Change, Volume 100, p. 51-69.

Pub Date: January 2013

DOI: 10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008 

Bibcode: 2013GPC...100...51H "

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On 8/11/2022 at 10:00 PM, Ecocharger said:

Despite desperate attempts by  Biden & Co. to spook the oil and gasoline markets, prices of both will apparently rise in a sustained upward momentum going forward.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Goldman-Sees-5-Gasoline-130-Brent-By-Year-End.html

"As for crude oil prices, Courvalin sees Brent climbing to $130 by the end of the year. “So we think Brent goes to $130 per barrel at the end of this year to reflect this need for sustained high prices.”

“We’re still in deficit. Despite growth slowing, prices still have work to do, and that’s higher from here.”

Goldman’s forecast assumes China’s demand for jet fuel and diesel only grows moderately from here until the end of 2023, pressured by its zero-Covid policy. 

That scenario could shift, Courvalin points out. “If we’re talking half a million barrels per day of Chinese demand going back to its prior highs, just on our pricing model, that’s $15 upside per barrel to Brent prices.”

In the shorter term, Courvalin sees gasoline and diesel prices going up as refiners head into turnaround season due to the lack of a typical inventory buffer that is currently not present in the market.

As of the latest EIA data, total motor gasoline inventories in the United States were 6% below the five-year average for this time of year, while distillate fuels were 24% below the five-year average."

"As for crude oil prices, Courvalin sees Brent climbing to $130 by the end of the year. “So we think Brent goes to $130 per barrel at the end of this year to reflect this need for sustained high prices.”???

 

Goldman has already lowered its estimates for year end as they were way off the mark with their predictions from earlier this year

They must be so long on Oil they are trying to prop up prices so they can exit their positions without losing Billions.....

 

the market does not move to Goldmans predictions and are headed for $80 Brent oil xmas

My bet is Courvalin is the architect of Goldmans positions and will be out of a job....

Watching the market this morning??? last week was just another dead cat bounce as oil is heading into the dumpster

What will drive oil lower???

THE FED...will overshoot the raises in the rates and spook the markets with their next rate increase (they should stop raising rates as the market has already taken notice...housing prices are down from the peaks and new housing starts have falling hard with all commodities already getting slammed.....Inflation has been shutdown in July  August will follow with a zero of less than zero inflation number......with gas prices driving the decline

Iran will roll over on their nuke program and trade it in for selling oil again..... Deal is getting close to happening in the next month....... 2 million barrels a day boost in world output by year end just from Iran alone. Russia will be sidelined with a decline in their ability to  market  their oil and discount crude heavily leading to a bad dive in oil......

US crude will hit 13 million a day by xmas

China is in a crisis on their own with property falling apart resulting in a bad banking crisis... no end in sight ...they already are in a serious decline....no increase in oil demand for the foreseeable future  in China....

Enjoy sticking with your Goldman BS......They are looking for sheep to buy them out of a bad position in oil

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15 hours ago, notsonice said:

"As for crude oil prices, Courvalin sees Brent climbing to $130 by the end of the year. “So we think Brent goes to $130 per barrel at the end of this year to reflect this need for sustained high prices.”???

 

Goldman has already lowered its estimates for year end as they were way off the mark with their predictions from earlier this year

They must be so long on Oil they are trying to prop up prices so they can exit their positions without losing Billions.....

 

the market does not move to Goldmans predictions and are headed for $80 Brent oil xmas

My bet is Courvalin is the architect of Goldmans positions and will be out of a job....

Watching the market this morning??? last week was just another dead cat bounce as oil is heading into the dumpster

What will drive oil lower???

THE FED...will overshoot the raises in the rates and spook the markets with their next rate increase (they should stop raising rates as the market has already taken notice...housing prices are down from the peaks and new housing starts have falling hard with all commodities already getting slammed.....Inflation has been shutdown in July  August will follow with a zero of less than zero inflation number......with gas prices driving the decline

Iran will roll over on their nuke program and trade it in for selling oil again..... Deal is getting close to happening in the next month....... 2 million barrels a day boost in world output by year end just from Iran alone. Russia will be sidelined with a decline in their ability to  market  their oil and discount crude heavily leading to a bad dive in oil......

US crude will hit 13 million a day by xmas

China is in a crisis on their own with property falling apart resulting in a bad banking crisis... no end in sight ...they already are in a serious decline....no increase in oil demand for the foreseeable future  in China....

Enjoy sticking with your Goldman BS......They are looking for sheep to buy them out of a bad position in oil

Iran has apparently scuttled the deal with the U.S. and will align with Russia.

You need a new crystal ball, buddy.

https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Nuclear-Deal-Increasingly-Unlikely-As-Iran-Strengthens-Ties-With-Russia.html

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