Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 23, 2022 21 hours ago, notsonice said: still 85% of world energy is fossil fuel????? last report out for 2021 it was 82% and declining at greater than 1 percent per year and picking up steam This situation will only be solidified going forward?????? yeah Fossil fuels will be declining at 2 percent a year in just a few years 2030???? 70 percent fossil fuels of total world energy including transportation 2040???? 40 percent fossil fuels of total world energy including transportation Rome was not built in a day. Enjoy the transition to renewable power, I am. Your Green dream factory is working overtime again. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 23, 2022 (edited) Here is where the Green agenda betrays its lack of basic economic knowledge. Imposing windfall profits taxes serves to de-incentivize the investment into further production, that is basic ABC in the world of economics. With the House now firmly in the Republican camp, it looks unlikely that this type of revenue bill could pass. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Fossil-Fuel-Firms-Face-33-Windfall-Tax-In-Germany.html "Last month, U.S. President Joe Biden said he would impose higher taxes on oil companies that record “windfall” profits without reinvesting in production, “The oil industry has not met its commitment to invest in America and support the American people,” Biden said Monday, calling the industry’s profits “a windfall of war”. This from Bloomberg, "Biden Warns Oil Firms He’ll Seek Tax on ‘Windfall’ Profits President’s promise will be all but impossible to deliver Industry groups say tax would hurt US energy production" Edited November 23, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE November 23, 2022 22 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Brave last words. The Green revolution will be compromised by science, not the propaganda science, but real science. When? Put a date on that prediction. You can't just say ["eventually I will be found right"] - that is not scientific. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: "Last month, U.S. President Joe Biden said he would impose higher taxes on oil companies that record “windfall” profits without reinvesting in production, “The oil industry has not met its commitment to invest in America and support the American people,” Biden said Monday, calling the industry’s profits “a windfall of war”. Yeah, the companies are taking advantage of government subtleties and not re-investing in local projects as committed. You have seen this before with bank bailouts and the execs still take big bonuses despite losses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM November 24, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 6:01 PM, Ecocharger said: Your Green dream factory is working overtime again. On 11/22/2022 at 6:01 PM, Ecocharger said: Your Green dream factory is working overtime again. you post BS babble....... I post facts enjoy the transition to renewables, I am 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 24, 2022 5 hours ago, TailingsPond said: When? Put a date on that prediction. You can't just say ["eventually I will be found right"] - that is not scientific. The science is already available. Right now, this is just a propaganda war, but as time passes more people will get clued in the actual science. I am betting on sooner rather than later. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, notsonice said: you post BS babble....... I post facts enjoy the transition to renewables, I am Ain't gonna happen, as long as auto drivers like you cling to their fossil fuel vehicles.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 24, 2022 5 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Yeah, the companies are taking advantage of government subtleties and not re-investing in local projects as committed. You have seen this before with bank bailouts and the execs still take big bonuses despite losses. You will not see increased oil production until Biden & Co. stop preaching against oil. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK November 25, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 6:30 PM, Itsover In2020 said: Had to laugh and respond. Me thinks the old ruff neck had too many pipe connections go awry or caught too many tongs to the noggen! Just trying to walk you the stupid through the supply chain, don't even get me started on the national grid! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 710 November 27, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 10:52 PM, Ecocharger said: Ain't gonna happen, as long as auto drivers like you cling to their fossil fuel vehicles.. Holding on to ICE vehicles makes total sense. EV's cost more over the lifetime. I have explained this many times. You have deaf ears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 710 November 27, 2022 https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/shopping/configurator?radius=250&zipCode=62521 Twice the price of a comparable car that is much better looking with a 400 mile range. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage-g4/models 2022 Bolt EV Starting at $32,495 On 11/23/2022 at 10:26 PM, notsonice said: you post BS babble....... I post facts enjoy the transition to renewables, I am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consumption 5.7% for renewables including all types. Hydro is not wind and solar. It is nothing new and not highly reliable. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage-g4/models As shown $35,695 SE 35/41 MPG2 • 7 Airbags13 • 2WD From $18,9451 Key Features Automatic High Beam (AHB) Body-Colored Folding Side Mirrors with Turn Indicators Driver Seat Armrest FAST-Key Entry System Heated Front Seats LED Low and High Beam Headlights and LED Daytime Running Lights Lane Departure Warning (LDW) Push Button Start 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM November 27, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/shopping/configurator?radius=250&zipCode=62521 Twice the price of a comparable car that is much better looking with a 400 mile range. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage-g4/models 2022 Bolt EV Starting at $32,495 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consumption 5.7% for renewables including all types. Hydro is not wind and solar. It is nothing new and not highly reliable. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage-g4/models As shown $35,695 SE 35/41 MPG2 • 7 Airbags13 • 2WD From $18,9451 Key Features Automatic High Beam (AHB) Body-Colored Folding Side Mirrors with Turn Indicators Driver Seat Armrest FAST-Key Entry System Heated Front Seats LED Low and High Beam Headlights and LED Daytime Running Lights Lane Departure Warning (LDW) Push Button Start 5.7% for renewables including all types???? thanks again for posting old data.... your data is from 2020 in 2021 it was nearing 7 percent....and increasing at a plus 1 percent rate a year and the rate is increasing each year now...IE exponential increases all non fossil fuels sources in 2021 was 18 percent Hydro is not wind and solar.........so what they are all considered as clean energy producers and non carbon based I guess one could make a statement coal is not oil or nat gas but they are all carbon based Hydro is not wind and solar. It is nothing new and not highly reliable.???????? Hyrdo power generation is not highly reliable????? boy do you like to babble BS World energy production from Hydro 2021.....40.26 exajoules 2020.....41.09 exajoules 2019.....37.66 exajoules 2018.....37.34 exajoules I will let you do a ltittle research and you can add in all the years prior to 2018......or doing research into facts is not your thing???? Hydro is one of the most reliable consistant producers of electricity slowly increasing over time ........not moving down at all over time.....just slowly moving up Edited November 27, 2022 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Holding on to ICE vehicles makes total sense. EV's cost more over the lifetime. I have explained this many times. You have deaf ears. Ron, Your point was solid; unfortunately, the greenies are deaf and dumb to anything said that doesn't fit into their narrative is white noise. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE November 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Holding on to ICE vehicles makes total sense. EV's cost more over the lifetime. I have explained this many times. You have deaf ears. How would you know that? How many EV's have you monitored over there lifetime? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 28, 2022 7 hours ago, TailingsPond said: How would you know that? How many EV's have you monitored over there lifetime? Lifetime includes replacing the power plant at regular intervals, which is a huge problem for EVs. The costs of entering the EV space is prohibitive for lower income families or individuals. The idea of electric auto travel is not an answer to any perceived problem. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 28, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 8:52 AM, Ron Wagner said: https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/shopping/configurator?radius=250&zipCode=62521 Twice the price of a comparable car that is much better looking with a 400 mile range. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage-g4/models 2022 Bolt EV Starting at $32,495 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consumption 5.7% for renewables including all types. Hydro is not wind and solar. It is nothing new and not highly reliable. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/cars-and-suvs/mirage-g4/models As shown $35,695 SE 35/41 MPG2 • 7 Airbags13 • 2WD From $18,9451 Key Features Automatic High Beam (AHB) Body-Colored Folding Side Mirrors with Turn Indicators Driver Seat Armrest FAST-Key Entry System Heated Front Seats LED Low and High Beam Headlights and LED Daytime Running Lights Lane Departure Warning (LDW) Push Button Start If yo didn't have old data you wouldn't have any data at all since that is all you are capable of producing. The 2023 Chevy Bolt starts at $26K: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK November 28, 2022 13 hours ago, TailingsPond said: How would you know that? How many EV's have you monitored over there lifetime? So you're saying that your personal experience with EV’s is go great that your and expert on everything EV. Please list your resume for all to see! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE November 28, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said: So you're saying that your personal experience with EV’s is go great that your and expert on everything EV. Please list your resume for all to see! I didn't say that at all. I do know, however, that ICE cars break down plenty. Honest data for a cost of ownership comparison will take a long time to collect. There are fewer moving parts in a EV so they may be more reliable. Edited November 28, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE November 28, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The costs of entering the EV space is prohibitive for lower income families or individuals. The idea of electric auto travel is not an answer to any perceived problem. High entry cost often yields a more reliable product. One high-quality pair of boots may last longer then 3 cheap pairs and end up net cheaper in the log run. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory Yes, it may be a privilege of the wealthy. Wealth brings cost savings; poverty brings debt and interest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_economy Edited November 28, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: High entry cost often yields a more reliable product. One high-quality pair of boots may last longer then 3 cheap pairs and end up net cheaper in the log run. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory Yes, it may be a privilege of the wealthy. Wealth brings cost savings; poverty brings debt and interest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_economy If it made sense for average income earners to drive EVs, they would be doing it. Of course, you rely on fossil fuels to propel your own vehicle. You are still part of the fossil fuel brigade, right? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 November 28, 2022 Chevy Bolt massively outsells the Mitsubishi Mirage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Chevy Bolt massively outsells the Mitsubishi Mirage. Again, this is like scratching the surface of your skin, there is only a miniscule impact on the big picture. Over 99% of the transportation sector is committed to fossil fuels and oil. No real change with this news, and hey, you are still committed to a fossil fuel vehicle yourself, Jay. Happy driving. Edited November 29, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE November 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: If it made sense for average income earners to drive EVs, they would be doing it. Of course, you rely on fossil fuels to propel your own vehicle. You are still part of the fossil fuel brigade, right? You are wrongly assuming people act sensibly. Just look at the news, a huge fraction of people are idiots! Following the behaviour of the filthy masses will probably make you fat and broke. I will buy an EV when my car wears out. I don't drive that much so it could be a long time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: You are wrongly assuming people act sensibly. Just look at the news, a huge fraction of people are idiots! Following the behaviour of the filthy masses will probably make you fat and broke. I will buy an EV when my car wears out. I don't drive that much so it could be a long time. As I predicted, you are committed to a fossil fuel vehicle. That is also true of the vast majority of Green agitators. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP November 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: As I predicted, you are committed to a fossil fuel vehicle. That is also true of the vast majority of Green agitators. I wont buy an EV until it does a genuine 500 miles+ in the cold with the heating on full blast. I will buy one when that is a reality which seems a long way off with current battery technology. I drive a 2 year old BMW 330e PHEV and it claims to give you 41 miles of electric driving. Yesterday in the cold it gave me 18 miles and when you put the heating on and heated seats it'll give you more like 11 miles. It is a great car overall but the range claims are bogus and drop by 40% within a year. Several guys at work drive Teslas and their range claims are total fantasy! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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