TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 10 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: You seem to like regulations. I prefer regulations over premature death, yes. What forms of pollution would you support regulating? None. I'm sure you like many laws too: rape, murder, theft, arson, etc. Consider second hand smoke, I support your right to smoke but you have no right to poison me. Should we allow smoking in restaurants? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 10 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Your "weight" regulations would put the EVs off the market. You think there are no heavy ICE vehicles? Funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, notsonice said: Emmision Analytics????? research????? so they took an EV and intentially beat the crap out of it by doing burners until the tires fell off....... they destroyed a set of tires in 300 miles of crazy driving......... brand new set of tires.......took the treads of in a few hours...... their lack of science claims were debunked https://tireindustryproject.org/faq/are-tire-emissions-1000-times-worse-than-exhaust-emissions/ Are tire emissions 1,000 times worse than exhaust emissions? Research has not demonstrated that tire emissions are 1,000 times worse than exhaust emissions. The claim that tire emissions are 1,000 times worse than exhaust emissions is based on the flawed and unscientific suggestion that comparing the weight of different emission types provides a measure of the relative risk that they pose. The assertion that tire emissions are “1,000 times worse” than exhaust emissions is sensationalist and disingenuous. It is a misrepresentation of an Emissions Analytics claim that the weight of tire-wear emissions are 1,000 times greater than exhaust emissions per kilometer driven. To the admission of Emissions Analytics’ chief executive, this figure comes from a test performed on a car driven in such a way as to maximize tire emissions (“driven as crazily as you could, really pushed it”). Driving style is known to be the main factor of tire wear (Le Maitre et al., 1998), but the extreme measures adopted by Emissions Analytics are not representative of normal driving and would result in a tire lifespan of not more than 500km. Your attempt to challenge the results is rather transparent. Take a look at the source, which is what any normal challenge would involve. It is a tire production promotions company. https://tireindustryproject.org/ "Tires keep the worldmoving Explore how the Tire Industry Project and our members are driving sustainability in the tire value-chain." Edited October 10 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 10 6 hours ago, TailingsPond said: I prefer regulations over premature death, yes. What forms of pollution would you support regulating? None. I'm sure you like many laws too: rape, murder, theft, arson, etc. Consider second hand smoke, I support your right to smoke but you have no right to poison me. Should we allow smoking in restaurants? The first assignment is to convince the California regulators to classify and regulate these materials, and right now they are dragging their heels trying to avoid doing that. You seem to be supporting them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 10 (edited) On 10/10/2024 at 1:15 PM, Ecocharger said: The first assignment is to convince the California regulators to classify and regulate these materials, and right now they are dragging their heels trying to avoid doing that. PM2.5 is defined by size of the particles not the chemical composition. The pollution is already fully classified and now being regulated. Research shows that fine particulates are toxic regardless of what they are made of. The PM2.5 can be ash, coal dust, road dust, black carbon, etc. it is all toxic. Edited October 12 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 475 October 12 (edited) On 10/9/2024 at 4:34 PM, Rob Plant said: Good grief! Speccy you said "Although these technology might not be new, e.g. amphibian and flying car might have existed back in early 18 th century" You do understand that this wouldve meant flying vehicles in the 1700's now dont you??? Do you really think the 18th century was 1947??? I think you'll find thats the 20th century pal. Have you been living under a rock? I replied this on "America is exceptional in political divide". Kindly refer. Thanks. Edited October 12 by specinho 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,553 October 13 ‘Net zero’ neighborhood avoided blackouts during Milton While parts of Florida were flattened and flooded by Hurricanes Helene and Milton, one South Florida development weathered the storms with few issues. Hunters Point, near Bradenton Beach, is billed as the country’s first “net-zero” single-family housing development. The development in Cortez, Florida, generates more energy than it uses via solar panels, and homes are built with hurricane-proofing technologies like concrete constructions, hurricane-proof fixtures, foam-reinforced walls, streets designed to divert flood waters, and buried power and internet lines. As CNN reports, those inside the development were able to keep their electricity when millions lost it, even though Milton made landfall nearby. “Everybody around us was completely dark at like five in the morning, and you see the lights on in our houses,” Marshall Gobuty, the founder and president of the development, told CNN. “So, it really was a test of why we did this.” 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 14 Aw the cult nuts are running scared? Meanwhile in reality... https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/OPEC-Slashes-Oil-Demand-Growth-Forecast-Again.html "OPEC on Monday cut its oil demand growth estimate for a third consecutive month, due to actual consumption data so far this year and expectations of slightly lower demand in some regions." https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Remarkable-Evolution-of-the-Electric-Vehicle.html "While the rate of change remains uncertain, it’s clear that the EV market has reached a tipping point. As technology keeps pace with consumer expectations and infrastructure catches up to demand, electric cars are poised to become the new normal." https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Renewable-Energy-Surge-Lowers-UK-Blackout-Risk.html "The UK has significantly reduced its blackout risk by increasing renewable energy capacity and diversifying its energy sources." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 14 On 10/13/2024 at 1:05 AM, turbguy said: ‘Net zero’ neighborhood avoided blackouts during Milton While parts of Florida were flattened and flooded by Hurricanes Helene and Milton, one South Florida development weathered the storms with few issues. Hunters Point, near Bradenton Beach, is billed as the country’s first “net-zero” single-family housing development. The development in Cortez, Florida, generates more energy than it uses via solar panels, and homes are built with hurricane-proofing technologies like concrete constructions, hurricane-proof fixtures, foam-reinforced walls, streets designed to divert flood waters, and buried power and internet lines. As CNN reports, those inside the development were able to keep their electricity when millions lost it, even though Milton made landfall nearby. “Everybody around us was completely dark at like five in the morning, and you see the lights on in our houses,” Marshall Gobuty, the founder and president of the development, told CNN. “So, it really was a test of why we did this.” Sounds like a rare case if "everybody around us" was relying on some other source of energy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 14 China has increased its coal demand to a record high level of imports. Go China! https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Chinas-Coal-Imports-Jumped-to-a-Record-High-in-September.html "Chinese imports of coal surged to a monthly high in September, driven by increased consumption and falling international coal prices. China imported last month a total of 47.59 million metric tons of coal, a 13% increase from September 2023, data from the country’s General Administration of Customs showed on Monday." "China’s electricity output from thermal sources – which are predominantly coal-fired – increased by 3.7% in August compared to the same month last year, according to official Chinese data cited by Reuters columnist Clyde Russell." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP October 14 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: China has increased its coal demand to a record high level of imports. Go China! And more people die! Eco are you sick in your love of coal and its relation to respiratory deaths? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 14 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: China has increased its coal demand to a record high level of imports. Go China! Why do you want to emulate China again? Traitor. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,553 October 14 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Sounds like a rare case if "everybody around us" was relying on some other source of energy... Sounds more like a rare case of sanity in design and implementation of alternate construction methods and energy sources. Distribution systems in Florida are gonna need significant "hardening" to even get near to matching the reliability of on-site generation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,256 er October 14 8 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Aw the cult nuts are running scared? Meanwhile in reality... https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/OPEC-Slashes-Oil-Demand-Growth-Forecast-Again.html "OPEC on Monday cut its oil demand growth estimate for a third consecutive month, due to actual consumption data so far this year and expectations of slightly lower demand in some regions." https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Remarkable-Evolution-of-the-Electric-Vehicle.html "While the rate of change remains uncertain, it’s clear that the EV market has reached a tipping point. As technology keeps pace with consumer expectations and infrastructure catches up to demand, electric cars are poised to become the new normal." https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Renewable-Energy-Surge-Lowers-UK-Blackout-Risk.html "The UK has significantly reduced its blackout risk by increasing renewable energy capacity and diversifying its energy sources." Total global oil demand is thus expected to average 105.8 million bpd next year. It's still going up. Oil will be over 100 million bpd for the next 10 years. Opec's forecasts are rarely on target. As for electric cars reaching a tipping point, your correct, my prediction is it has topped out unless the governments world wide subsidize the end sale of them. They aren't as popular as last year. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,256 er October 14 4 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Why do you want to emulate China again? Traitor. I didn't see Eco saying anything remotely that the U.S.A should go back to coal? I read the article and if China want's to keep burning "cheap" coal that is their leader's prerogative. Want Canada to go to war with China for burning the crap? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 14 35 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: I didn't see Eco saying anything remotely that the U.S.A should go back to coal? You should try reading his posts - he is extremely pro-coal and says things like "go China" when reporting increased coal usage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 14 45 minutes ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Total global oil demand is thus expected to average 105.8 million bpd next year. It's still going up. Oil will be over 100 million bpd for the next 10 years. Opec's forecasts are rarely on target. Total growth of usage is not the same as growing demand. Do you read any of the the articles discussing falling oil demand? Next year there will be more EVs produced and on the road ("it's still going up") but you will say that there is falling demand. Next year there will be more oil produced and you will say that is increased demand despite the decreased desirability and long-term forecast of oil. Unlike OPEC, the EVs manufactures are not banding together to create artificial scarcity via orchestrated supply cuts. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 14 (edited) How is the price of oil doing? Look at trending support and resistance levels. Not even wars and supply cuts are holding oil up. https://www.investopedia.com/trading/support-and-resistance-basics/ Edited October 14 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 14 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: And more people die! Eco are you sick in your love of coal and its relation to respiratory deaths? Rob, Rob...you want to allow more people die because they lack basic transportation capability? Really, now.... The respiratory problems, as we have seen, are not related to outdoor oil or gas or coal, but indoor pollution. Edited October 14 by Ecocharger 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 14 3 hours ago, turbguy said: Sounds more like a rare case of sanity in design and implementation of alternate construction methods and energy sources. Distribution systems in Florida are gonna need significant "hardening" to even get near to matching the reliability of on-site generation. The key word is "rare".... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 14 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: You should try reading his posts - he is extremely pro-coal and says things like "go China" when reporting increased coal usage. And for you China = USA? That is some logical leap. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,485 DL October 14 47 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: How is the price of oil doing? Look at trending support and resistance levels. Not even wars and supply cuts are holding oil up. https://www.investopedia.com/trading/support-and-resistance-basics/ Whenever we get an economic downturn, production is often beyond market demand, take a look at EV sales and the buildup of unsold EVs on the sales lots...so what is your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ecocharger said: And for you China = USA? That is some logical leap. You forget your own posts? You went on for pages about "non-polluting" coal and how it is awesome for the Texas grid etc. Edited October 15 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Whenever we get an economic downturn, production is often beyond market demand, take a look at EV sales and the buildup of unsold EVs on the sales lots...so what is your point? Did you read the question? The point is obvious. The post you quoted did not mention EVs at all, weak dodge attempt. Address the fact that oil is in the crapper and even your war hopes and artificial OPEC scarcity is not saving it. It must be hard on you being wrong all the time yet somehow still arrogant. Edited October 15 by TailingsPond 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,013 GE October 15 Let's compare EVs (Tesla) and Ecochargers oil stock pick of Occidental petroleum. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=oxy+stock OXY -21% last 6 months https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=tesla+stock+price TSLA +35% last 6 months Kind of hard to blame the economy Mr economist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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