GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, the fuel for the EV trend is strictly related to climate panic based on faulty science.

That will change in a very short time and EVs will become an historical curiosity.

There are other factors at work promoting EV's

Local air pollution (ok I know not all pollution is tailpipe)

Countries not blessed with large quantities of oil and gas are reliant on imports. EV's offer an opportunity to use more ubiquitous wind and solar. 

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7 hours ago, specinho said:

Not sure if you notice a comment mentioned an experiment about co2, humidity and formation of cloud?

Can not remember exactly the whole thing but it basically said " pollutants in a smoke are necessary in the formation of cloud"...

In other words, when the air gets too clean, cloud can not be formed. No cloud, no rain. Climate change. 

In addition, when the engines get too quiet, it could endanger pedestrians and other road users. Imagine

Volcanoes, forest fires, and dust from wind etc. provide more than enough nucleation sites. Rain occurred long before humans existed.  "Cloud seeding" is a joke.

Yes, you are right EV's can become too quiet in a world use to hearing oncoming traffic.  They are considering mandating some level of noise; cool thing is you could pick your noise.  It could be music, fake engine noise, or you could be a very disappointing ice cream truck!

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9 hours ago, specinho said:

I raised a question the other day over an experiment trying to create inverter at home from a 1.5V battery to power home appliance. Roughly place it here:

1. Battery is dc, electrical appliances are dc, why do they need inverter? 

P/s: if so, can we recharge handphone using lower voltage dc car battery directly? 

2. If appliances require dc 15V to function, why can't we supply dc of this voltage from local station? 

The existing flow is 

- high voltage from generator

- stepped down according to needs of industrial and residential.

- residential- 240 V ac. Stepped down and invertex to 15V dc. Much heat generated and energy wasted.

If there is a station to do that before supplying dc to households, would we be using less fuel or energy at generator? Future generation would have much of those left? 'o' '-' 🤗

 

There are plenty of cell phone chargers available that will charge your 3.7 volt lithium ion battery using a single 1.5 volt AA battery.

Visit you local dollar store, or other fine electronics store...

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On 5/27/2023 at 11:14 PM, TailingsPond said:

Nobody in the industry believes it is faulty science.  Even if some groundbreaking papers emerge showing that climate change is not real the industries have already set their paths, there is not going to be some quick abandonment of their long-term EV plans. They have already geared up for the EV transition - sunk costs.

People buy what the industries tell them to buy.  Marketing a car is much easier than convincing people climate change isn't real. 

Do not confuse what should be done with what will be done.

 

No, many scientists disagree with the climate panic scenario. You must have been asleep.

There is no problem in reversing the minimal efforts so far to eliminate CO2, which was always a pipedream.

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17 hours ago, NickW said:

There are other factors at work promoting EV's

Local air pollution (ok I know not all pollution is tailpipe)

Countries not blessed with large quantities of oil and gas are reliant on imports. EV's offer an opportunity to use more ubiquitous wind and solar. 

Toxic emissions have been drastically reduced with new technology, this is no longer a problem.

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Toxic emissions have been drastically reduced with new technology, this is no longer a problem.

Granted - there have been significant improvements but its still an issue . High compression engines just ended up blowing out much smaller particles which get into the respirable region of the lungs. 

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6 hours ago, NickW said:

Granted - there have been significant improvements but its still an issue . High compression engines just ended up blowing out much smaller particles which get into the respirable region of the lungs. 

No longer an issue with toxic emissions reduced to essentially zero.

[Ecocharger + 1,486]

Here is the bold face of reality in the auto space, showing how trivial all the hype has been surrounding EV sales.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-percent-of-us-car-sales-are-electric#:~:text=Electric vehicles account for less,sold in the United States.

"Electric vehicles account for less than 1% of the 250 million vehicles, SUVs, and light-duty trucks sold in the United States. "

Edited May 29, 2023 by Ecocharger

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is the bold face of reality in the auto space, showing how trivial all the hype has been surrounding EV sales.

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/what-percent-of-us-car-sales-are-electric#:~:text=Electric vehicles account for less,sold in the United States.

"Electric vehicles account for less than 1% of the 250 million vehicles, SUVs, and light-duty trucks sold in the United States. "

I believe that quoted sales statistic (which isn't very clear) includes "pre-owned" vehicle sales, and "existing inventory", no?

I find it very hard to believe that 250 million new vehicles were manufactured and sold in the United States in a year or three.

Then, there's THIS...

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Tesla-Model-Y-To-Become-Best-Selling-Car-In-The-World-In-2023.html

Edited May 29, 2023 by turbguy

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No longer an issue with toxic emissions reduced to essentially zero.

Would you drink a shot of the drippings that come out a tailpipe on a cool day?

How about running the car inside a closed attached garage? 

Probably not because you know the shit is poison, yet you hypocritically say the toxic emissions are "essentially zero."

Granted, brand new cars are pretty good at controlling toxic emissions.  However, older cars with leaky exhaust systems, missing or damaged catalytic converters, out-of tune engines, or that leak oil/fluids are poison factories.

Edited May 29, 2023 by TailingsPond

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On 5/27/2023 at 5:08 AM, notsonice said:

The Death of Coal ...one solar panel at a time Enjoy the Transition

 

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https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/us-wind-solar-q1-2023/

US wind and solar combined produced more electricity than coal in Q1 2023

Michelle Lewis | May 25 2023 - 2:42 pm PT

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US wind and solar together produced more electricity than coal in Q1 2023, according to a review by the SUN DAY Campaign of data just released by the US Energy Information Administration (EIA).

The latest issue of EIA’s “Electric Power Monthly” report (with data through March 31, 2023) reveals that in the first quarter of 2023, electrical generation by solar (including small-scale distributed systems) grew by 7.8%, compared to the same period in 2022. This was driven in large part by growth in “estimated” small-scale (e.g., rooftop) solar PV, which increased in output by 24.0% – faster than any other energy source – and accounted for nearly one-third (32.8%) of total solar production.

The mix of utility-scale and small-scale solar PV plus utility-scale solar thermal provided 4.4% of the US’s electrical output during the first quarter of 2023.

At the same time, electrical generation by wind increased by 5.3% compared to the same period a year ago and provided 12.5% of total US electrical generation.

Together, wind and solar provided 16.9% of the US’s electrical output in Q1 2023.

However, electrical generation by coal plummeted by 28.6% and provided just 15.6% of total US electrical generation during the quarter. In March alone, US wind turbines produced almost as much electricity (44,355 gigawatt-hours) as coal (49,863 GWh).

When generation by all renewable energy sources (including biomass, geothermal, and hydropower) is considered, renewables accounted for 24.9% of total generation in the first three months of this year. That’s higher than their share (24.2%) in the first quarter of 2022, notwithstanding declines in production by hydropower (down 15.5%), wood + biomass (down 6.2% ), and geothermal (down 3.6%).

Thus, electricity generated by the full mix of renewable energy sources exceeded that of coal by 59.5%.

SUN DAY Campaign’s executive director Ken Bossong said:

Renewables have been outproducing coal … for some time now, with the combination of just wind and solar already ahead of coal this year …

Renewables also seem well-positioned to provide over a quarter of the nation’s electrical generation in 2023.

 

Yes, but coal has been declining from natural gas use for a long time also! You need to figure that into your calculations. Natural gas is the reliable bedrock energy for all countries that don't rely on coal. 

https://ourworldindata.org/energy-mix 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Ron Wagner

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12 hours ago, NickW said:

Granted - there have been significant improvements but its still an issue . High compression engines just ended up blowing out much smaller particles which get into the respirable region of the lungs. 

No comparison to diesel emissions which are carcinogenic. 

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On 5/28/2023 at 10:43 AM, turbguy said:

There are plenty of cell phone chargers available that will charge your 3.7 volt lithium ion battery using a single 1.5 volt AA battery.

Visit you local dollar store, or other fine electronics store...

I have carried lithium chargers for many years. They are cheaper, but I also recharge my smaller batteries like type A and AAA. 

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Why is the surface of Venus hotter than Mercury?

 

It's the clouds, stupid.

 

 

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On 5/28/2023 at 9:31 PM, TailingsPond said:

Volcanoes, forest fires, and dust from wind etc. provide more than enough nucleation sites. Rain occurred long before humans existed.  "Cloud seeding" is a joke.

Yes, you are right EV's can become too quiet in a world use to hearing oncoming traffic.  They are considering mandating some level of noise; cool thing is you could pick your noise.  It could be music, fake engine noise, or you could be a very disappointing ice cream truck!

They spray dry ice ( solid carbon dioxide), hoping when it turns gas, water and heat would be absorbed and cloud formed. But they realize it does not always work. Not humid enough often spoils the work.

They add salt, hoping it will draw water to it. The salt drops to the ground, absorbing enough water. No cloud.

They spray chemical, no water.... No cloud.

What do they need to do? Spraying water right? 'o' '-'

And add some particulate carbon eg from diluted ash ( with air or water), from an old smoke spewing truck, small fire from wood, dry ice etc?

Regarding the ice cream truck, were you referring to the cartoon that said " not profitable selling ice cream in the west due to health conscious over obesity, tooth decay etc. They do not eat and do not allow others to eat. So, the truck is converted to a loo, parked at the side of highway during peak congestion hours. This ended up a prosperous biz truck" ? 

Side note: throwing shit out is more prosperous than being sweet... 'o'  '-'

Edited May 30, 2023 by specinho

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On 5/28/2023 at 11:43 PM, turbguy said:

There are plenty of cell phone chargers available that will charge your 3.7 volt lithium ion battery using a single 1.5 volt AA battery.

Visit you local dollar store, or other fine electronics store...

1.5v AA battery for 3.7v phone battery?

You must have experience using that from your dollar store or other fine electronic stores to suggest, yes? How is it going? 

Throwing 6 batteries after charging for 10 minutes? After few dozens of AA batteries won't even get your phone charged 25%, right....? 

Tips during recession:

buy cheap but quality products..... for sustainability.

Not cheap but useless... >.^

E.g.rechargeable batteries, car or motor battery + sulphuric acid

Edited May 30, 2023 by specinho

[specinho + 475]

On 5/29/2023 at 1:58 PM, Ecocharger said:

No, many scientists disagree with the climate panic scenario. You must have been asleep.

There is no problem in reversing the minimal efforts so far to eliminate CO2, which was always a pipedream.

His aim was to inform you: ( quote)

1. "People buy what the industries tell them to buy. "

 

2. "Do  not confuse what should be done with what will be done."

 

In other words, he is trying to inform you...... he and his few friends are those directing the market  trend and instructing the elected what to do. 

They do not care about science, nor things discussed about climate change. Follow them over the cliff, while they become wealthy looting without a care...... might be the projected image... 

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

On 5/27/2023 at 3:04 AM, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/electric-trucks-are-worse-than-diesel-trucks/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=first

 

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The purpose of trucks is to move stuff. By just about every measure, electric trucks are worse at moving stuff than diesel trucks are.

That’s the takeaway from today’s newsletter by Rachel Premack for FreightWaves. She’s writing about a California regulation that will require all new drayage trucks (trucks that operate near ports) to be zero-emissions, starting next year. The entire drayage fleet is required to be zero-emissions by 2035. And people in the trucking industry and in the utility industry aren’t quite sure how that’s going to happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1. Price. An electric drayage vehicle costs $185,000. Diesel trucks are about half that.
2. Refueling. Filling up a diesel truck takes about 15 minutes. Recharging an electric truck takes hours.
3. Infrastructure. California needs 11.5 gigawatts of new electric capacity by 2026 to meet the needs from its electrification mandates, which is difficult to accomplish because of the state’s other environmental regulations.
4. Weight. Electric trucks are heavier than diesel trucks.
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6. Costs. As a result of being worse at moving stuff, electric trucks will impose higher costs throughout the supply chain than diesel trucks do, which could raise consumer prices.

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It depends what you mean by "worse"

If its pollutants and air quality then diesels are clearly worse and not only cause respiratory ailments but also cancer.

Do you want your grandchildren to have asthma or worse?

Vehicle exhaust gases and pollutants

Cars emit a potent cocktail of exhaust gases, many of which have harmful effects. They include:

• Carbon dioxide (CO2) – CO2 is a greenhouse gas, thought to be a major contributing factor to climate change. Although technically non-toxic, excessive volumes contribute towards ocean acidification.
• Carbon monoxide (CO) – This invisible gas is the result of incomplete combustion of fuel and is very toxic to humans. Most modern engines only produce tiny amounts of it thanks to efficient combustion processes, but older engines are bigger offenders.
• Nitrogen oxides (NOx) – Nitrogen oxides are produced in any combustion process. They are highly reactive and can contribute to smog when they come into contact with other airborne chemicals. Some manufacturers famously cheated NOx tests.
• Sulfur dioxide (SO2) – This is a colourless gas that smells like burnt matches and occurs naturally in crude oil used to refine petrol and diesel. It forms acids when burned, leading to engine corrosion and smog. 
• Hydrocarbons (HC) – HCs escape from exhausts as unburnt fuel due to incomplete combustion. They also evaporate from the fuel tank and nozzle when you fill up at the petrol station. 
• Benzene (C6H6) – This occurs naturally in petrol and diesel in very small quantities and is also emitted from vehicle exhausts as unburnt fuel. Benzene is a carcinogenic substance and high levels of inhalation can severely harm human health. 
• Particulates – Diesel engines emit airborne particles of black soot and metal, known as particulate matter.

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6 hours ago, specinho said:

1.5v AA battery for 3.7v phone battery?

You must have experience using that from your dollar store or other fine electronic stores to suggest, yes? How is it going? 

They work.  There are these things call "buck and boost" converter circuits.  AND they are small and cheap!

An typical non-rechargeable alkaline AA battery has about 2000 (+/-) mAH of power.  Most of that can be "extracted" into your cell phone's battery. 

Try it yourself.  They are available worldwide.

 

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21 hours ago, turbguy said:

I believe that quoted sales statistic (which isn't very clear) includes "pre-owned" vehicle sales, and "existing inventory", no?

I find it very hard to believe that 250 million new vehicles were manufactured and sold in the United States in a year or three.

Then, there's THIS...

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Tesla-Model-Y-To-Become-Best-Selling-Car-In-The-World-In-2023.html

Possibly, which reinforces my point about the auto market including used vehicles, and EVs less than 1% of total auto sales. There is essentially no market for used EVs for obvious reasons.

This refers to "vehicles, SUVs, and light-duty trucks", in other words it is not looking at the entire transportation sector. Including rail, air, shipping  would reduce battery-driven transportation and EVs into insignificance.

Projections of future events are almost worthless. What proportion of total vehicle sales is the Tesla Y expected to be? 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Ecocharger

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20 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Would you drink a shot of the drippings that come out a tailpipe on a cool day?

How about running the car inside a closed attached garage? 

Probably not because you know the shit is poison, yet you hypocritically say the toxic emissions are "essentially zero."

Granted, brand new cars are pretty good at controlling toxic emissions.  However, older cars with leaky exhaust systems, missing or damaged catalytic converters, out-of tune engines, or that leak oil/fluids are poison factories.

The question is, do your eyes still sting if you live close to a coal plant? Mine no longer do.

Granted old cars should be eliminated and replaced by new fossil fuel cars.

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The question is, do your eyes still sting if you live close to a coal plant? Mine no longer do.

Granted old cars should be eliminated and replaced by new fossil fuel cars.

China cleaned up its act?????

 

hang out at the Mine Hospital, Handan...tell us it does not sting

https://aqicn.org/map/china/

 

 

Air Pollution in China: Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map

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Shanghai

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Beijing

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Shenzhen

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Guangzhou

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Chengdu

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Tianjin

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Wuhan

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Air Quality Index (AQI) Values

West Park officials AQI: West Park officials Real-time Air Quality Index (AQI).

134	Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups Updated on Wed. 6:00   Temp.: 17°C

Current		Past 48 hours data	Min	Max
PM2.5 AQI	134		61	139
PM10 AQI	62		25	68
O3 AQI	13		6	96
NO2 AQI	17		6	27
SO2 AQI	3		2	4
CO AQI	6		1	14
Temp.	16		16	32
Pressure	1009		1009	1015
Humidity	93		34	97
Wind	1		0	6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There are 152 stations on the map: Mine Hospital, Handan (172) - Quancheng Plaza, Jinan (165) - City EPA (Nanfang), Linyi (161) - No.15 middle school, Jinhua (158) - Business college, High-tech zone (157) - No.9 middle school, Liuzhou (154) - Chemical factory, Jinan (153) - People's Hall, Shijiazhuang (153) - West Park officials (153) - 平湖子站 (151) - Dingtao Environmental Protection Bureau, Dingtao District (151) - 西乡体育中心 (149) - 丰台小屯 (149) - No. 47 middle school, Shì xiáqū, Zhengzhou (149) - Jinsheng, Taiyuan (147) - 鹤山花果山, (144) - 园岭子站 (144) - zhǎng qīng dàxué chéng, Zhangqing District (139) - Xiaoshanzi Station, Tangshan (139) - Fengrun District Government, Tangshan (137) - Dazhigu No.8 road, Tianjin (137) - Yuanyang Lake, Yangjiang (137) - 通州永顺 (134) - Linping town, Hangzhou (134) - City Monitoring Station, Guangzhou (132) - 上金瓯, (129) - Xinfu district, Fushun , Fushun (129) - Wanli University (127) - Shenfu new town, Fushun (127) - Leidazhanzi Station, Tangshan (127) - 粤海子站 (127) - 江海富民, (124) - BDA (124) - Huabai Park, Zhongshan (122) - BDA Management Committe, Yancheng (122) - Hangzhou bay Vocational school (122) - Shù xià wáng, Shaoxing (119) - Changjiang middle road, Hefei (114) - Luquan Yizhong, Shijiazhuang (114) - Qiánshān, Zhuhai (114) - Shanglan, Taiyuan (114) - 南城元美, (114) - BDA, Fuyang (114) - 中山民众, (114) - Gōngyuán lù, Taizhoushi (114) - Fertilizer Factory Living Area, Hohhot (112) - hénán àn jīnshān hú, Huizhou (112) - Chénliáoxī lù, Shenyang (109) - High-tech Zone Water Company, Mianyang (109) - Shuangshan, Chongqing (107) - Banking College, Zhengzhou (107) - Xinjiang Academy of Agricultural Farms, Wulumuqi (104) - Xiangzhou Hangkong Road , Xiangyang (104) - 中山小榄, (102) - High-tech zone, Hefei (102) - Chaoyang plant, Lu'an (102) - City EPA station, Guiyang (99) - 白云江高, Guangzhou (99) - mùyáng, Yunfu (99) - 高要湖西, (97) - 清城银盏, (95) - qìxiàngtái, Ganzhou (95) - Archives Bureau, Chaozhou (95) - Wolong bridge, Hangzhou (95) - 昆明学院, Kunming (95) - Railway Design Institute, Lanzhou (95) - 中山南朗, (95) - Helanshan East Road, Yinchuan (95) - 东莞松山湖, (93) - Hexi water supply company, Liuzhou (93) - Jinguo Bay, Huizhou (93) - luòhé dàxué, Luohe (93) - Gaoping District Monitoring Station, Nanchong (93) - Municipal People's Congress, Mianyang (91) - yú hú, Jieyang (91) - High-tech Zone , Xiangyang (91) - Minhang Jiangchuan (89) - Taiping Hongwei Park, Haerbin (89) - Tuán dǎo, Qingdao (87) - Nanzhai, Taiyuan (87) - Chencang EPA compound, Baoji (87) - 产业园龙尾, (85) - Toll office, Wulumuqi (85) - No.8 middle school, Guilin (85) - Liujiagou , Shiyan (85) - Xiangfang Hongqi Street, Haerbin (80) - Longquan Town, Kunming (80) - Qilupu Water Company, Yuyao (79) - Jinquan lianghe, Chengdu (78) - sānguó lǎnshèng gōng, Bozhou (78) - Xiangcheng district, Suzhou (78) - UESTC Yaoshan Campus, Guilin (78) - Qianhu water plant (76) - Yuxin Street, Chongqing (76) - Shanxi Road , Nanjing (76) - 鼎湖凤凰, (76) - Qītáng, Wuxi (76) - Kengkouzi station, Zhaoqing (74) - Science Innovation Center, Wuhu (74) - Weather Monitoring Station, Nanyang (74) - Sewage treatment plant, Bozhou (74) - hàn huà guǎn, Nanyang (72) - Xianlin University Town , Nanjing (72) - City Station, Wenzhou (72) - Chénghǎizi, Shantou (72) - Gaoling, Maoming (72) - Cháyuán, Chongqing (70) - Gantianba, Zunyi (68) - Huangdao District No. 1, Qingdao (68) - Chenggong New Area, Kunming (68) - No.4 Water Plant, Wuhu (65) - Nánquán, Chongqing (65) - 遂溪建设, (65) - City Environmental Monitoring Station, Dazhou (65) - City Monitoring Station, Lianyungang (65) - Chang'an District, Xian (63) - Huangyan EPA building, Taizhou (63) - Laodong Park, Changchun (63) - 武陵区长庚, Changde (63) - fènghuáng district, Dazhou (61) - Hainan University, Haikou (61) - Economic Development Zone Sanitation Department, Changchun (61) - Yuqua District EPB, Changsha (61) - Ouhai, Wenzhou (59) - Songbei Commercial University, Haerbin (59) - Fenglong Montain, Shijiazhuang (59) - Hainan Normal University, Haikou (59) - District Monitoring Station, Lhasa (57) - Potou District EPB, Zhanjiang (57) - Jiangbei, Jilin (55) - High-tech Zone EPA, Changsha (55) - pǔdōng chuān shā (55) - Jiangnan Park, Jilin (55) - Chéngzhōng, Nantong (50) - Yílíng district, Yichang (50) - Martial Arts School, Nanchang (50) - Bus Factory, Changchun (50) - Longfeng District, Daqing (50) - Diǎnjūn district, Yichang (50) - Ranghulu District, Daqing (42) - tiě èr chù, Shiyan (42) - Luqiao Tian Yang Wang, Taizhou (34) - Fengxiang County Environmental Protection Bureau, Baoji (30) - Jīntóu bù, Quanzhou (30) - Normal Univertsity, Fuzhou (30) - xiù yǔ qū zhèngfǔ, Putian (25) - hán jiāng qū liù zhōng, Putian (25) - Gulangyu, Xiamen (25) - Fengman, Jilin (23) - Hongwen, Xiamen (21) - Putian City Stations, Putian (17) - Lanlian hotel, Lanzhou (no data)

 

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About the Air Quality and Pollution Measurement:

About the Air Quality Levels
 

AQI	Air Pollution Level	Health Implications	Cautionary Statement (for PM2.5)
0 - 50	Good	Air quality is considered satisfactory, and air pollution poses little or no risk	None
51 -100	Moderate	Air quality is acceptable; however, for some pollutants there may be a moderate health concern for a very small number of people who are unusually sensitive to air pollution.	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion.
101-150	Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups	Members of sensitive groups may experience health effects. The general public is not likely to be affected.	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion.
151-200	Unhealthy	Everyone may begin to experience health effects; members of sensitive groups may experience more serious health effects	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should avoid prolonged outdoor exertion; everyone else, especially children, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion
201-300	Very Unhealthy	Health warnings of emergency conditions. The entire population is more likely to be affected.	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should avoid all outdoor exertion; everyone else, especially children, should limit outdoor exertion.
300+	Hazardous	Health alert: everyone may experience more serious health effects	Everyone should avoid all outdoor exertion

To know more about Air Quality and Pollution, check the wikipedia Air Quality topic or the airnow guide to Air Quality and Your Health.

For very useful health advices of Beijing Doctor Richard Saint Cyr MD, check www.myhealthbeijing.com blog.
 

 

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Temperature unit: Celcius

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by notsonice

[NickW + 2,714]

12 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

It depends what you mean by "worse"

If its pollutants and air quality then diesels are clearly worse and not only cause respiratory ailments but also cancer.

Do you want your grandchildren to have asthma or worse?

Vehicle exhaust gases and pollutants

Cars emit a potent cocktail of exhaust gases, many of which have harmful effects. They include:

• Carbon dioxide (CO2) – CO2 is a greenhouse gas, thought to be a major contributing factor to climate change. Although technically non-toxic, excessive volumes contribute towards ocean acidification.
• Carbon monoxide (CO) – This invisible gas is the result of incomplete combustion of fuel and is very toxic to humans. Most modern engines only produce tiny amounts of it thanks to efficient combustion processes, but older engines are bigger offenders.
• Nitrogen oxides (NOx) – Nitrogen oxides are produced in any combustion process. They are highly reactive and can contribute to smog when they come into contact with other airborne chemicals. Some manufacturers famously cheated NOx tests.
• Sulfur dioxide (SO2) – This is a colourless gas that smells like burnt matches and occurs naturally in crude oil used to refine petrol and diesel. It forms acids when burned, leading to engine corrosion and smog. 
• Hydrocarbons (HC) – HCs escape from exhausts as unburnt fuel due to incomplete combustion. They also evaporate from the fuel tank and nozzle when you fill up at the petrol station. 
• Benzene (C6H6) – This occurs naturally in petrol and diesel in very small quantities and is also emitted from vehicle exhausts as unburnt fuel. Benzene is a carcinogenic substance and high levels of inhalation can severely harm human health. 
• Particulates – Diesel engines emit airborne particles of black soot and metal, known as particulate matter.

You can add to that a range of aldehydes such as formaldehyde which is carcinogenic and a respiratory irritant. Various acids and other substances. 

[Ecocharger + 1,486]

6 hours ago, notsonice said:

China cleaned up its act?????

 

hang out at the Mine Hospital, Handan...tell us it does not sting

https://aqicn.org/map/china/

 

 

Air Pollution in China: Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map

+−

63

Shanghai

132

Beijing

155

Shenzhen

91

Guangzhou

85

Chengdu

129

Tianjin

-

Wuhan

87

Dongguan

 

Air Quality Index (AQI) Values

West Park officials AQI: West Park officials Real-time Air Quality Index (AQI).

134	Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups Updated on Wed. 6:00   Temp.: 17°C

Current		Past 48 hours data	Min	Max
PM2.5 AQI	134		61	139
PM10 AQI	62		25	68
O3 AQI	13		6	96
NO2 AQI	17		6	27
SO2 AQI	3		2	4
CO AQI	6		1	14
Temp.	16		16	32
Pressure	1009		1009	1015
Humidity	93		34	97
Wind	1		0	6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stations on the map

There are 152 stations on the map: Mine Hospital, Handan (172) - Quancheng Plaza, Jinan (165) - City EPA (Nanfang), Linyi (161) - No.15 middle school, Jinhua (158) - Business college, High-tech zone (157) - No.9 middle school, Liuzhou (154) - Chemical factory, Jinan (153) - People's Hall, Shijiazhuang (153) - West Park officials (153) - 平湖子站 (151) - Dingtao Environmental Protection Bureau, Dingtao District (151) - 西乡体育中心 (149) - 丰台小屯 (149) - No. 47 middle school, Shì xiáqū, Zhengzhou (149) - Jinsheng, Taiyuan (147) - 鹤山花果山, (144) - 园岭子站 (144) - zhǎng qīng dàxué chéng, Zhangqing District (139) - Xiaoshanzi Station, Tangshan (139) - Fengrun District Government, Tangshan (137) - Dazhigu No.8 road, Tianjin (137) - Yuanyang Lake, Yangjiang (137) - 通州永顺 (134) - Linping town, Hangzhou (134) - City Monitoring Station, Guangzhou (132) - 上金瓯, (129) - Xinfu district, Fushun , Fushun (129) - Wanli University (127) - Shenfu new town, Fushun (127) - Leidazhanzi Station, Tangshan (127) - 粤海子站 (127) - 江海富民, (124) - BDA (124) - Huabai Park, Zhongshan (122) - BDA Management Committe, Yancheng (122) - Hangzhou bay Vocational school (122) - Shù xià wáng, Shaoxing (119) - Changjiang middle road, Hefei (114) - Luquan Yizhong, Shijiazhuang (114) - Qiánshān, Zhuhai (114) - Shanglan, Taiyuan (114) - 南城元美, (114) - BDA, Fuyang (114) - 中山民众, (114) - Gōngyuán lù, Taizhoushi (114) - Fertilizer Factory Living Area, Hohhot (112) - hénán àn jīnshān hú, Huizhou (112) - Chénliáoxī lù, Shenyang (109) - High-tech Zone Water Company, Mianyang (109) - Shuangshan, Chongqing (107) - Banking College, Zhengzhou (107) - Xinjiang Academy of Agricultural Farms, Wulumuqi (104) - Xiangzhou Hangkong Road , Xiangyang (104) - 中山小榄, (102) - High-tech zone, Hefei (102) - Chaoyang plant, Lu'an (102) - City EPA station, Guiyang (99) - 白云江高, Guangzhou (99) - mùyáng, Yunfu (99) - 高要湖西, (97) - 清城银盏, (95) - qìxiàngtái, Ganzhou (95) - Archives Bureau, Chaozhou (95) - Wolong bridge, Hangzhou (95) - 昆明学院, Kunming (95) - Railway Design Institute, Lanzhou (95) - 中山南朗, (95) - Helanshan East Road, Yinchuan (95) - 东莞松山湖, (93) - Hexi water supply company, Liuzhou (93) - Jinguo Bay, Huizhou (93) - luòhé dàxué, Luohe (93) - Gaoping District Monitoring Station, Nanchong (93) - Municipal People's Congress, Mianyang (91) - yú hú, Jieyang (91) - High-tech Zone , Xiangyang (91) - Minhang Jiangchuan (89) - Taiping Hongwei Park, Haerbin (89) - Tuán dǎo, Qingdao (87) - Nanzhai, Taiyuan (87) - Chencang EPA compound, Baoji (87) - 产业园龙尾, (85) - Toll office, Wulumuqi (85) - No.8 middle school, Guilin (85) - Liujiagou , Shiyan (85) - Xiangfang Hongqi Street, Haerbin (80) - Longquan Town, Kunming (80) - Qilupu Water Company, Yuyao (79) - Jinquan lianghe, Chengdu (78) - sānguó lǎnshèng gōng, Bozhou (78) - Xiangcheng district, Suzhou (78) - UESTC Yaoshan Campus, Guilin (78) - Qianhu water plant (76) - Yuxin Street, Chongqing (76) - Shanxi Road , Nanjing (76) - 鼎湖凤凰, (76) - Qītáng, Wuxi (76) - Kengkouzi station, Zhaoqing (74) - Science Innovation Center, Wuhu (74) - Weather Monitoring Station, Nanyang (74) - Sewage treatment plant, Bozhou (74) - hàn huà guǎn, Nanyang (72) - Xianlin University Town , Nanjing (72) - City Station, Wenzhou (72) - Chénghǎizi, Shantou (72) - Gaoling, Maoming (72) - Cháyuán, Chongqing (70) - Gantianba, Zunyi (68) - Huangdao District No. 1, Qingdao (68) - Chenggong New Area, Kunming (68) - No.4 Water Plant, Wuhu (65) - Nánquán, Chongqing (65) - 遂溪建设, (65) - City Environmental Monitoring Station, Dazhou (65) - City Monitoring Station, Lianyungang (65) - Chang'an District, Xian (63) - Huangyan EPA building, Taizhou (63) - Laodong Park, Changchun (63) - 武陵区长庚, Changde (63) - fènghuáng district, Dazhou (61) - Hainan University, Haikou (61) - Economic Development Zone Sanitation Department, Changchun (61) - Yuqua District EPB, Changsha (61) - Ouhai, Wenzhou (59) - Songbei Commercial University, Haerbin (59) - Fenglong Montain, Shijiazhuang (59) - Hainan Normal University, Haikou (59) - District Monitoring Station, Lhasa (57) - Potou District EPB, Zhanjiang (57) - Jiangbei, Jilin (55) - High-tech Zone EPA, Changsha (55) - pǔdōng chuān shā (55) - Jiangnan Park, Jilin (55) - Chéngzhōng, Nantong (50) - Yílíng district, Yichang (50) - Martial Arts School, Nanchang (50) - Bus Factory, Changchun (50) - Longfeng District, Daqing (50) - Diǎnjūn district, Yichang (50) - Ranghulu District, Daqing (42) - tiě èr chù, Shiyan (42) - Luqiao Tian Yang Wang, Taizhou (34) - Fengxiang County Environmental Protection Bureau, Baoji (30) - Jīntóu bù, Quanzhou (30) - Normal Univertsity, Fuzhou (30) - xiù yǔ qū zhèngfǔ, Putian (25) - hán jiāng qū liù zhōng, Putian (25) - Gulangyu, Xiamen (25) - Fengman, Jilin (23) - Hongwen, Xiamen (21) - Putian City Stations, Putian (17) - Lanlian hotel, Lanzhou (no data)

 

Air Quality Rankings

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About the Air Quality and Pollution Measurement:

About the Air Quality Levels
 

AQI	Air Pollution Level	Health Implications	Cautionary Statement (for PM2.5)
0 - 50	Good	Air quality is considered satisfactory, and air pollution poses little or no risk	None
51 -100	Moderate	Air quality is acceptable; however, for some pollutants there may be a moderate health concern for a very small number of people who are unusually sensitive to air pollution.	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion.
101-150	Unhealthy for Sensitive Groups	Members of sensitive groups may experience health effects. The general public is not likely to be affected.	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion.
151-200	Unhealthy	Everyone may begin to experience health effects; members of sensitive groups may experience more serious health effects	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should avoid prolonged outdoor exertion; everyone else, especially children, should limit prolonged outdoor exertion
201-300	Very Unhealthy	Health warnings of emergency conditions. The entire population is more likely to be affected.	Active children and adults, and people with respiratory disease, such as asthma, should avoid all outdoor exertion; everyone else, especially children, should limit outdoor exertion.
300+	Hazardous	Health alert: everyone may experience more serious health effects	Everyone should avoid all outdoor exertion

To know more about Air Quality and Pollution, check the wikipedia Air Quality topic or the airnow guide to Air Quality and Your Health.

For very useful health advices of Beijing Doctor Richard Saint Cyr MD, check www.myhealthbeijing.com blog.
 

 

Usage Notice: All the Air Quality data are unvalidated at the time of publication, and due to quality assurance these data may be amended, without notice, at any time. The World Air Quality Index project has exercised all reasonable skill and care in compiling the contents of this information and under no circumstances will the World Air Quality Index project team or its agents be liable in contract, tort or otherwise for any loss, injury or damage arising directly or indirectly from the supply of this data.

 

 

home

Here

map

mask

faq

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About This Project

 

• Contact The World Air Quality Index Project Team
• Press And Media Kit
  
   

air quality research

 

• Air Quality Knowledge Base And Articles
• Air Quality Experimentations
• Air Quality Sensors Analysis
  
   

Frequently Asked Questions

 

• Air Quality Data source
• Air Quality Index Calculation
• Air Quality Forecasting
• Air Quality Products (masks, Monitors…)
• API (Application Programing Interface)
• Historial Data Platform

Credits

 

• All the EPA in the world for their excellent work in maintaining, measuring and providing Air Quality information to the world citizens
• This product includes GeoLite2 data created by MaxMind, available from maxmind.com.
• This product includes GeoNames city information, available from geonames.org.
• Open Weather Map, combined with qweather™ improvement algorithm
• Citizen Weather Observer Program via cwop.waqi.info
• Contains modified Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service Information
• Some of the icons made by Freepik from www.flaticon.com
• Reverse geocoding by locationiq.com

© 2008-2023
The World Air
Quality Project

  
 

 

 

  :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Temperature unit: Celcius

 

 

 

China is rapidly increasing its dependence on coal and coal is now the fuel of choice for future energy needs.

There will be a gradual replacement of polluting technology by the more recent coal burning technology which will deal with any pollution issues.

Edited May 30, 2023 by Ecocharger

[Ron Wagner + 714]

20 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

It depends what you mean by "worse"

If its pollutants and air quality then diesels are clearly worse and not only cause respiratory ailments but also cancer.

Do you want your grandchildren to have asthma or worse?

Vehicle exhaust gases and pollutants

Cars emit a potent cocktail of exhaust gases, many of which have harmful effects. They include:

• Carbon dioxide (CO2) – CO2 is a greenhouse gas, thought to be a major contributing factor to climate change. Although technically non-toxic, excessive volumes contribute towards ocean acidification.
• Carbon monoxide (CO) – This invisible gas is the result of incomplete combustion of fuel and is very toxic to humans. Most modern engines only produce tiny amounts of it thanks to efficient combustion processes, but older engines are bigger offenders.
• Nitrogen oxides (NOx) – Nitrogen oxides are produced in any combustion process. They are highly reactive and can contribute to smog when they come into contact with other airborne chemicals. Some manufacturers famously cheated NOx tests.
• Sulfur dioxide (SO2) – This is a colourless gas that smells like burnt matches and occurs naturally in crude oil used to refine petrol and diesel. It forms acids when burned, leading to engine corrosion and smog. 
• Hydrocarbons (HC) – HCs escape from exhausts as unburnt fuel due to incomplete combustion. They also evaporate from the fuel tank and nozzle when you fill up at the petrol station. 
• Benzene (C6H6) – This occurs naturally in petrol and diesel in very small quantities and is also emitted from vehicle exhausts as unburnt fuel. Benzene is a carcinogenic substance and high levels of inhalation can severely harm human health. 
• Particulates – Diesel engines emit airborne particles of black soot and metal, known as particulate matter.

CO2 is not a pollutant. 

Compare the lifespan of Southern Californians to the rest of the world. 

Diesel should be (mostly) replaced by natural gas. All ICE vehicles can be converted to natural gas, including the present stock. It is far cleaner than diesel.