GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

PS: IF our leaders in charge had a brain in their head, they would demand Aluminum smelters be built everywhere to stabilize the grid taking on the job of absorbing the ramp rate as their ramp rate is instantaneous and they can also be an excess load dump for all sources instantly. 

If solar wind truly were real sources of power they would have aluminum smelter plants being built right next to them just as they are built right next to hydro dams.  Guess what is NOT happening around the world...

So a communist dictatorship.

Edited June 19, 2023 by TailingsPond

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3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

PS: IF our leaders in charge had a brain in their head, they would demand Aluminum smelters be built everywhere to stabilize the grid taking on the job of absorbing the ramp rate as their ramp rate is instantaneous and they can also be an excess load dump for all sources instantly. 

If solar wind truly were real sources of power they would have aluminum smelter plants being built right next to them just as they are built right next to hydro dams.  Guess what is NOT happening around the world...

You know what is better than an aluminum smelter? A battery. You know what is being built next to solar wind? 

To complement California’s abundant renewable energy resources, the state is focused on deploying energy storage. According to the California Independent System Operator, battery storage capacity has increased by nearly 20 times since 2019 — from 250 megawatts (MW) to 5,000 MW. Today’s fleet of storage resources can capture enough electricity to power up to 5 million California homes. By midcentury, capacity is projected to increase another 10 times to 52,000 MW.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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39 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You know what is better than an aluminum smelter? A battery. You know what is being built next to solar wind? 

To complement California’s abundant renewable energy resources, the state is focused on deploying energy storage. According to the California Independent System Operator, battery storage capacity has increased by nearly 20 times since 2019 — from 250 megawatts (MW) to 5,000 MW. Today’s fleet of storage resources can capture enough electricity to power up to 5 million California homes. By midcentury, capacity is projected to increase another 10 times to 52,000 MW.

While that is great growth, I would prefer the units be MWh's.  You store energy, not power.  That amount of power can be stored in a three-car garage full of supercapacitors that last about 5 seconds (or less).  The buss bars would be HUGE, but it would fit.

BTW, I see that Caliso EXPORTED a whole bunch of MWh's today, while they were simultaneously charging batteries!  Impressive.

Edited June 20, 2023 by turbguy

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25 minutes ago, turbguy said:

While that is great growth, I would prefer the units be MWh's.  You store energy, not power.  That amount of power can be stored in a three-car garage full of supercapacitors that last about 5 seconds (or less).  The buss bars would be HUGE, but it would fit.

BTW, I see that Caliso EXPORTED a whole bunch of MWh's today, while they were simultaneously charging batteries!  Impressive.

The batteries are almost all 4 hour duration. 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

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7 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The batterie are almost all 4 hour duration. 

Good, although they probably do not discharge to zero percent and recharge to 100% very frequently (if ever).

Still, the proper way of expressing energy storage is both energy capability, and power capacity.

Edited June 20, 2023 by turbguy

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12 minutes ago, turbguy said:

Good. 

Still, the proper way of expressing energy storage is both energy capability, and power capacity.

Please write CAISO and let them know.

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

..

China to account for more than half renewable capacity rise, report says

The International Energy Agency projects global renewable power will rise by a third this year.

By Subel Rai Bhandari for RFA
2023.06.01
Bangkok

 

 

Beachgoers walk near wind turbines along the coast of Pingtan in Southern China's Fujian province, Aug. 6, 2022.

 AP

The speedy deployment of renewable power worldwide is set to lead the largest annual increase in new renewable capacity ever, a report released on Thursday said.

 

Renewable power capacity is expected to increase by a third this year and will continue to rise next year, primarily due to a stronger push by governments amid higher fossil fuel prices and energy security concerns, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said in its latest Renewable Energy Market update.

 

The Paris-based group said there would be a significant surge in the global addition of renewable capacity, with a record-breaking increase of 107 gigawatts (GW) expected in 2023, resulting in total renewable capacity of over 440 GW worldwide.

 

That is 24% more than projected six months earlier and double what the world added in 2019.

 

Furthermore, projections indicate that total global renewable electricity capacity will reach 4,500 GW, equivalent to the combined power output of China and the United States, by the following year.

 

China is expected to account for nearly 55% of global additions of renewable power capacity in both 2023 and 2024, consolidating “its position as the undisputed leader in global deployment,” the IEA said.

 

In 2022, China accounted for less than half of all new renewable power capacity worldwide. 

 

By 2024, the report projected that China will deliver almost 70% of all new offshore wind projects globally, as well as over 60% of onshore wind and 50% of solar photovoltaic (PV) projects. 

And coal demand is rapidly rising in China to all-time highs.

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4 hours ago, Boat said:

You should talk in numbers. Show us Chinese coal in a 10 year context. I look at world numbers and coal is down. Personally I look at US numbers, Texas numbers and world numbers. That’s where I live. But numbers are interesting from all over the world. I don’t have the time to chase them. Show me the charts. You have fibbed in the past so you need to work on your credibility. Or you can run for President. Trumps a liar and popular. Have you considered politics? 

I gave you the charts a few pages back...go and read, lazybones.

And stop making up false claims about coal demand decreasing in China.

You really are desperate.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Ecocharger

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Please write CAISO and let them know.

I believe that CALISO would better respond to a resident, rather than a nonresident.

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12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

2025 is well in the future and the current pace of coal development in China indicates that coal will continue to grow going forward.

Check the neutrality of your source here.

Why ?

You think S&P Global are somehow pushing a green agenda?? seriously??

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12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

2025 is well in the future and the current pace of coal development in China indicates that coal will continue to grow going forward.

Check the neutrality of your source here.

2025 the last time I checked is 18 months away, hardly a long time in powergen.

No coal wont grow from that point it will steadily decline.

Sorry Eco but even with global energy demands soaring over the coming decades this won't save coal, its doomed as the dirty polluting energy source that it is and always will be.

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14 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

And coal demand is rapidly rising in China to all-time highs.

NOT ANYMORE

June 14, 2023 — 10:53 pm EDT

Written by Muyu Xu and Ningwei Qin for Reuters 

Nasdaq

China's May daily coal output dips on high stocks, weak demand

China's daily coal output fell in May from April, data showed on Thursday, as miners lowered production to ease inventory pressure amid...

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13 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Why ?

You think S&P Global are somehow pushing a green agenda?? seriously??

S&P bought into the Green propaganda?

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12 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

2025 the last time I checked is 18 months away, hardly a long time in powergen.

No coal wont grow from that point it will steadily decline.

Sorry Eco but even with global energy demands soaring over the coming decades this won't save coal, its doomed as the dirty polluting energy source that it is and always will be.

China  and the world is now at an all-time high in coal demand...that will continue to grow.

Edited June 20, 2023 by Ecocharger

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

S&P bought into the Green propaganda?

Gee Eco you are sounding mighty desperate these days.

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Global Fossil Fuel Use To Sink 65% by 2050: CER

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Global-Fossil-Fuel-Use-To-Sink-65-by-2050-CER.html

Ouch!

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India pauses plans to add new coal plants for five years, bets on renewables, batteries

https://kenoshanews.com/news/nation-world/india-pauses-plans-to-add-new-coal-plants-for-five-years-bets-on-renewables-batteries/article_1ec0abd5-a821-5ba2-874e-def2b7804078.html#:~:text=BENGALURU%2C India — The Indian government,an updated national electricity plan.

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Network of geothermal power stations ‘could help level up UK’

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/02/network-of-geothermal-power-stations-could-help-level-up-uk

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4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

India pauses plans to add new coal plants for five years, bets on renewables, batteries

https://kenoshanews.com/news/nation-world/india-pauses-plans-to-add-new-coal-plants-for-five-years-bets-on-renewables-batteries/article_1ec0abd5-a821-5ba2-874e-def2b7804078.html#:~:text=BENGALURU%2C India — The Indian government,an updated national electricity plan.

oh oh my my ........ECO was banking on India to save his failing arguments......

ECO can you find a country other than North Korea and Russia  that is not running to Renewables???????

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18 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Gee Eco you are sounding mighty desperate these days.

You showing up again? Time for you to catch up on reality, buddy.

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7 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Global Fossil Fuel Use To Sink 65% by 2050: CER

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Global-Fossil-Fuel-Use-To-Sink-65-by-2050-CER.html

Ouch!

Well, Biden & Co. are calling for a major increase in oil demand through 2050, which includes not just "fuels" for the total transportation market, but non-fuel oil demand.

So we will see, but right now oil demand looks to have a robust future.

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4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

India pauses plans to add new coal plants for five years, bets on renewables, batteries

https://kenoshanews.com/news/nation-world/india-pauses-plans-to-add-new-coal-plants-for-five-years-bets-on-renewables-batteries/article_1ec0abd5-a821-5ba2-874e-def2b7804078.html#:~:text=BENGALURU%2C India — The Indian government,an updated national electricity plan.

Not realistic...your article states that India is "a country that currently relies on coal for around 75% of its electricity."

That's a lot of coal.

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4 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Network of geothermal power stations ‘could help level up UK’

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/02/network-of-geothermal-power-stations-could-help-level-up-uk

Again, this is a model for massive government subsidization and economic deterioration for those unfortunate countries which adopt this approach.

Read your own material here,

"Already more than 250,000 homes in Paris rely on geothermal heating and the German government has committed to spending €1bn (£860m) before 2035 to create 100 geothermal projects.

Rishi Sunak said the report would help the government decide whether there was a bigger role for deep geothermal energy in the UK economy.

“We have made rapid progress on switching to homegrown renewable electricity and have made energy security a key priority. Success is going to depend on pulling all the levers at our disposal,” the prime minister said."

Purely the result of massive government spending. Not efficient or realistic.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Ecocharger

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Here is where the rubber meets the road, a supply shortage for the proposed EV revolution. End of the road, guys.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/UK-Electric-Vehicle-Plans-Hit-Lithium-Supply-Roadblock.html

"The UK will need between 53,000 and 70,000 tonnes of lithium per year to meet EV demand by 2030, but is currently on track to secure only around 35,000 tonnes, according to energy research firm Rystad.

Industry experts have called for increased government investment in domestic lithium processing capabilities, and the establishment of new trading agreements with countries abundant in lithium to ensure a stable supply for the UK's EV industry.

As China dominates the global lithium processing market, the UK is urged to enhance its domestic lithium processing capabilities and secure trade agreements with major lithium exporters like Australia and South American nations to meet its EV ambitions."

Edited June 21, 2023 by Ecocharger