turbguy + 1,544 July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, AlBub said: The idiots at ERCOT that screwed up the system in 2021 screwed it up because the members weren't from Texas and had no skin in the game along with not having to answer to anyone. To do so much wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if their wasn't a little maliciousness involved. The stupidest thing was the ERCOT members not being from Texas. ERCOT had management issues, but all of those members were qualified, well versed in electrical operations, and succumbed to pressures from the market (eg, don't spend money that's only worth it once a decade) rather than doing the diligence of forcing the NAT GAS industry to do the right things. The sequestration of Nat Gas regulation in Texas to another independent body is wrong. Texas will still suffer repeats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 470 July 4, 2023 Hail happens when temperature in the upper layer of sky is much colder. Water vapour gathered turned ice instead of water droplets in a cloud. This coincides with the observation that clouds were hanging much lower than usual last year. This indicates colder temperature at lower sky. In addition, Average temperature on the ground was mentioned to be more than 10'C lower than usual temperature. Someone mentioned global cooling cycle has begun but was snorted at by a few. He however, might not be wrong... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 4, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, AlBub said: The idiots at ERCOT that screwed up the system in 2021 screwed it up because the members weren't from Texas and had no skin in the game along with not having to answer to anyone. To do so much wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if their wasn't a little maliciousness involved. The stupidest thing was the ERCOT members not being from Texas. Uh no. You sound like a typical Texan claiming that foreigners caused your downfall. 1. You provide zero evidence. 2. You are admitting that Texans are too dumb and incapable of protecting themselves. 3. You are in a no win situation except to use more renewables. California is laughing at you. That would be the same California which was actually illegally attacked by Enron, a Texas company. Edited July 4, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,324 RG July 4, 2023 ERCOT the grid has shareholders. Two companies owned by a Russian oligarch has the largest percentage. Somewhere around 13%. This was after the storm. How much other stock was foreign owned in all of Texas, who knows. It’s a lot. Many refineries, pipelines, drilling companies etc. Just a decade ago or so the US promoted all kinds of foreign investment. We had sister cities with China for example. Todays problems with China and Russia are a turnound in their pursuit of international trade. They want power and land growth or at minimum regime control. The experiment with trade entanglements promoting cooperation is over. It’s time to pick sides and go our separate ways. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Once they become weaker through lack of trade they will get new leaders and try again. Cooperative enemies can shut down trade. Just watch China and Russia over the next 5 years. I think their markets will keep shrinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 4, 2023 On 7/2/2023 at 3:28 PM, Jay McKinsey said: The grid requires that supply and demand are equal or else the grid fails. It does not work any other way, It is a brutal all or nothing market. Power plants do not run at 50% output because they would be losing money. They run at 100% or 0%. You don't get to have an opinion. The Texas authorities decreased production because they were idiotic morons and people died. They barely missed crashing the entire grid and killing 10x as many people. The electricity market is a zero sum game. The difference in US electrical production between 2007 and 2022 is less than 1%. Try dealing with reality. No, the size of the supply is determined by the authorities, not a zero-sum. The supply and demand are both dynamic, not constant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: No, the size of the supply is determined by the authorities, not a zero-sum. The supply and demand are both dynamic, not constant. Electrical demand and production must match. That is how the grid functions. Authorities screwed up and broke the grid. That is not a dynamic functioning market. In 2007 US electricity supply and demand was in 2022 US electricity supply and demand was That is a change of less than 1% in 15 years. During those 15 years NG, solar and wind increased by the exact percentage that coal decreased. All other energy generation remained the same. That is the definition of a zero sum market. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlBub + 14 AB July 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Uh no. You sound like a typical Texan claiming that foreigners caused your downfall. 1. You provide zero evidence. 2. You are admitting that Texans are too dumb and incapable of protecting themselves. 3. You are in a no win situation except to use more renewables. California is laughing at you. That would be the same California which was actually illegally attacked by Enron, a Texas company. Wrong on all counts except me being from Texas. Outsiders do not have as much interest in doing things right for anywhere else. Someone who lives in Michigan for instance, could not know what is best for Texas, just as I would not pretend to know what is best for them.. The Californians I see are all newcomers to my are, And yes, they are laughing. They seem quite joyful to be out of California. And didn't you just blame their problems on outsiders. Hmmm! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ July 4, 2023 It is time the oil industry and ecoblabble pay for my air conditioning electric bill! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/04/monday-was-hottest-day-for-global-average-temperature-on-record-as-climate-crisis-bites Doom! Doom! Where is the accountability! It is time for the CEOS of the industry to walk the walk of shame! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, AlBub said: Wrong on all counts except me being from Texas. Outsiders do not have as much interest in doing things right for anywhere else. Someone who lives in Michigan for instance, could not know what is best for Texas, just as I would not pretend to know what is best for them.. The Californians I see are all newcomers to my are, And yes, they are laughing. They seem quite joyful to be out of California. And didn't you just blame their problems on outsiders. Hmmm! HaHa, Enron went to jail and Texas is about to become the leader in green energy for a few years. California took control of the entire western US grid while Texas can't even control their own grid. Edited July 4, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 5, 2023 5 hours ago, AlBub said: Wrong on all counts except me being from Texas. Outsiders do not have as much interest in doing things right for anywhere else. Someone who lives in Michigan for instance, could not know what is best for Texas, just as I would not pretend to know what is best for them.. The Californians I see are all newcomers to my are, And yes, they are laughing. They seem quite joyful to be out of California. And didn't you just blame their problems on outsiders. Hmmm! Texas a magnet state???? for the braindead.... and Ercot is an example what happens when the braindead all get together The smart people leave Texas and the slow ones stay or move to Texas. Can you explain why Texas is #41 ...... ha ha ha please note where Texas is ....number 41 on the list of brains I sure would not be bragging that people are moving to your state in droves , as the people moving to Texas are not playing with a full deck of cards, the same as those already in the state. Ercot ...yes the nation is laughing at Texas along with the joyful braindead ones that move to Texas yep You are in the State that ranks 41 in brains out of 50 Quality and attainment: 2023’s most—and least—educated states in America 1 Massachusetts: Educational Attainment (1), Quality of Education (1) 2 Maryland: Educational Attainment (4), Quality of Education (2) 3 Connecticut: Educational Attainment (6), Quality of Education (4) 4 Vermont: Educational Attainment (3), Quality of Education (15) 5 Colorado: Educational Attainment (2), Quality of Education (37) 6 New Jersey: Educational Attainment (10), Quality of Education (6) 7 Virginia: Educational Attainment (5), Quality of Education (16) 8 New Hampshire: Educational Attainment (7), Quality of Education (11) 9 Minnesota: Educational Attainment (8), Quality of Education (24) 10 Utah: Educational Attainment (11), Quality of Education (12) 11 Washington: Educational Attainment (9), Quality of Education (25) 12 Rhode Island: Educational Attainment (24), Quality of Education (5) 13 Delaware: Educational Attainment (21), Quality of Education (7) 14 New York: Educational Attainment (18), Quality of Education (14) 15 Oregon: Educational Attainment (12), Quality of Education (41) 16 Illinois: Educational Attainment (17), Quality of Education (18) 17 Hawaii: Educational Attainment (14), Quality of Education (35) 18 Maine: Educational Attainment (15), Quality of Education (31) 19 Montana: Educational Attainment (13), Quality of Education (46) 20 Wisconsin: Educational Attainment (25), Quality of Education (10) 21 Florida: Educational Attainment (35), Quality of Education (3) 22 Nebraska: Educational Attainment (20), Quality of Education (38) 23 North Dakota: Educational Attainment (22), Quality of Education (26) 24 Wyoming: Educational Attainment (23), Quality of Education (30) 25 Kansas: Educational Attainment (16), Quality of Education (49) 26 North Carolina: Educational Attainment (28), Quality of Education (13) 27 Michigan: Educational Attainment (26), Quality of Education (28) 28 California: Educational Attainment (37), Quality of Attainment (8) 29 Alaska: Education Attainment (19), Quality of Education (50) 30 Pennsylvania: Education Attainment (27), Quality of Education (36) 31 Iowa: Educational Attainment (29), Quality of Education (29) 32 Georgia: Educational Attainment (33), Quality of Education (22) 33 Missouri: Educational Attainment (31), Quality of Education (33) 34 Ohio: Educational Attainment (36), Quality of Education (21) 35 South Dakota: Educational Attainment (30), Quality of Education (40) 36 Idaho: Educational Attainment (34), Quality of Education (32) 37 Arizona: Educational Attainment (32), Quality of Education (44) 38 Indiana: Educational Attainment (41), Quality of Education (9) 39 South Carolina: Educational Attainment (38), Quality of Education (34) 40 Tennessee: Educational Attainment (40), Quality of Education (19) 41 Texas: Educational Attainment (42), Quality of Education (17) 42 New Mexico: Educational Attainment (39), Quality of Education (48) 43 Kentucky: Educational Attainment (46), Quality of Education (19) 43 (Tied for 43) Nevada: Educational Attainment (45), Quality of Education (23) 44 Oklahoma: Educational Attainment (43), Quality of Education (42) 45 Alabama: Educational Attainment (44), Quality of Education (39) 46 Arkansas: Educational Attainment (47), Quality of Education (27) 47 Louisiana: Educational Attainment (48), Quality of Education (43) 48 Mississippi: Educational Attainment (49), Quality of Education (45) 49 West Virginia: Educational Attainment (50), Quality of Education (47) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ July 5, 2023 notsonice: Texas ranger slaughtered thousands of Mexican Farmers in Texas. The land was stolen from Mexico. I figure if Texas is given back to Mexico, which it should, the education of the state will improve because right now it is horrible and the politics are corrupt. The Mexicans could not do worse then the current situation for the majority of people living there. And once the money is taken from the oil companies and given to the education system it should be a gem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ July 5, 2023 I just love the smell of gasoline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ July 5, 2023 Actually the vast majority of people moving to Texas are Indians from India where most are contractors taking jobs away from American citizens. because of traitorous companies hiring them. There is no state income tax and it is hot. Texas has the greatest Indian population other than India. Most live in Houston. That said, lots of good Indian restaurants in Houston. Even their imported high IQ's can't offset the stupidity of the state, and the governor. . Time to sell it back to mexico to right a wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ July 5, 2023 The schools where the Indians from India live are pretty good, but the average Texan does not make enough money to live in those school districts. Almost all work remotely. Time to take the oil companies profits and give it to Mexico too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,324 RG July 5, 2023 5 hours ago, bloodman33 said: It is time the oil industry and ecoblabble pay for my air conditioning electric bill! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/04/monday-was-hottest-day-for-global-average-temperature-on-record-as-climate-crisis-bites Doom! Doom! Where is the accountability! It is time for the CEOS of the industry to walk the walk of shame! Pay your own bills or go without ac. Hang out at the mall or bars. Move to Bangladesh where there is no electricity. If your Dem or independent take responsibility for yourself and the world. If your Republican blame everything else and stage a Coup. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWMan + 89 wl July 5, 2023 Hi, I have a few questions I can never get the answer to concerning global warming. What is the average temperature of the earth today? What are the names of the 5 species that will be extinct by 2040? What is the error range when measuring hydrogen atoms in air trapped in ice core and relating that value to temperature of the air in a frozen part of the world and extrapolating that value around the world to come up with a global temperature 100,000 years ago? Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 July 5, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No, the size of the supply is determined by the authorities, not a zero-sum. The supply and demand are both dynamic, not constant. The supply "size" must equal demand, on a very short time basis (certainly less than 1 minute). Demand is determined by customers (they are the "demand"), until the "authorities" take action in times of inadequate supply to cut supply to those particular customers who agree to it. If that action doesn't produce balance, the "authorities" must cut supply to those customers that don't agree to it. The "authoriities" do intend to include a margin of safety to the size of supply. Sometimes, that intention is not possible to maintain. For example, Texas, February, 2021. In times of "overadequate" supply, the "authorities" can take no action other than "pumping up storage" (if available). Edited July 5, 2023 by turbguy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, NWMan said: Hi, I have a few questions I can never get the answer to concerning global warming. What is the average temperature of the earth today? What are the names of the 5 species that will be extinct by 2040? What is the error range when measuring hydrogen atoms in air trapped in ice core and relating that value to temperature of the air in a frozen part of the world and extrapolating that value around the world to come up with a global temperature 100,000 years ago? Will Have you tried this obscure website called google? Here is the average Earth temp: http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 July 5, 2023 16 hours ago, Boat said: ERCOT the grid has shareholders. Two companies owned by a Russian o. ligarch has the largest percentage. Somewhere around 13%. This was after the storm. How much other stock was foreign owned in all of Texas, who knows. It’s a lot. Many refineries, pipelines, drilling companies etc. Just a decade ago or so the US promoted all kinds of foreign investment. We had sister cities with China for example. Todays problems with China and Russia are a turnound in their pursuit of international trade. They want power and land growth or at minimum regime control. The experiment with trade entanglements promoting cooperation is over. It’s time to pick sides and go our separate ways. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Once they become weaker through lack of trade they will get new leaders and try again. Cooperative enemies can shut down trade. Just watch China and Russia over the next 5 years. I think their markets will keep shrinking. ERCOT has members, not shareholders. ERCOT is a membership-based 501(c)(4) nonprofit corporation. Its members include consumers, electric cooperatives, generators, power marketers, retail electric providers, investor-owned electric utilities (transmission and distribution providers), and municipally owned electric utilities. Some of those members may be foreign-owned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 5, 2023 2 hours ago, turbguy said: ERCOT has members, not shareholders. ERCOT is a membership-based 501(c)(4) nonprofit corporation. Its members include consumers, electric cooperatives, generators, power marketers, retail electric providers, investor-owned electric utilities (transmission and distribution providers), and municipally owned electric utilities. Some of those members may be foreign-owned. Finding out that the majority of members in ERCOT were foreign owned would be beyond hilarious. We must keep digging into this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL July 5, 2023 19 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Electrical demand and production must match. That is how the grid functions. Authorities screwed up and broke the grid. That is not a dynamic functioning market. In 2007 US electricity supply and demand was in 2022 US electricity supply and demand was That is a change of less than 1% in 15 years. During those 15 years NG, solar and wind increased by the exact percentage that coal decreased. All other energy generation remained the same. That is the definition of a zero sum market. There are fluctuations in demand and supply of electrical energy from month to month depending on availability of wind and solar. In the Texas case there was room for electrical energy imports, exports. My own electricity bills change month to month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: There are fluctuations in demand and supply of electrical energy from month to month depending on availability of wind and solar. In the Texas case there was room for electrical energy imports, exports. My own electricity bills change month to month. Texas famously does not import or export electricity. How do you not know this? Fluctuations have nothing to do with whether or not it is a zero sum game. In every five minute market interval demand is fixed. If you successfully bid in it means someone else lost. Zero-sum game Definition & Meaning Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › zero-... The meaning of ZERO-SUM GAME is a situation in which one person or group can win something only by causing another person or group to lose it. Edited July 5, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 July 5, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Texas famously does not import or export electricity. How do you not know this? ERCOT has some "small" DC ties to the SWPP and Mexico. They can export and import some power. I believe these DC ties have a capability of less than 1000 MW in total. That said, ERCOT does NOT service 100% of Texas within state lines, but only a majority of it. Edited July 5, 2023 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 July 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, turbguy said: ERCOT has some "small" DC ties to the SWPP and Mexico. They can export and import some power. I believe these DC ties are less than 1000 MW in total. Yep, basically nothing. Technically a little over 1% of peak demand. But they do their best to keep it well below that. As I post this they are importing 124 MW. Edited July 5, 2023 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 22 TJ July 5, 2023 It is time for boat to pay my electric bill!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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