TailingsPond + 502 GE December 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Jay, self-driving can never "work quite well" as you put it. You have embraced more nonsense. We already have had self-driving planes for decades and now we also have self driving spaceships. The only problem with self driving will be the Luddites who insist on screwing up traffic with their manual mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 December 23, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: The latest figures show electric YoY decline....that is a disaster. Shall we run this broken record another round? At least you acknowledge your massive disaster in your claim that EV sales fell off a cliff between July and November. A small YoY drop, because of PHEV, is irrelevant. It will recover soon. Oh and let us not forget that you now consider PHEV to be EV. Edited December 23, 2023 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 441 December 23, 2023 Ahheemmnn.... Heated argument over green dream or green nightmare and percentage of increment in EV sales... Check this image out... If our focus is on ice as claimed, we will never find real solution. If our only solution is all EV runned by batteries, we will never solve climate change. It does matter for share holders, salesmen and manufacturers, their EV sales and shares are on the rise. We understand. But to stress how important it is to replace all cars with EVs might be something else that not in the right tuning... One can always reconfirm by having data. For example, changes in the environment e.g. air, temperature, contents of pollutants etc before and after introduction of EV in that area. Europe is generally retiree towns and states with low car volume outside of big cities. Check data with Norway, Findland, Sweden which are highly green and EV friendly. There are possibly more urgent things that can be done to reduce the coldness and amount of snow you experience this winter. Merry Christmas. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL December 23, 2023 14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: At least you acknowledge your massive disaster in your claim that EV sales fell off a cliff between July and November. A small YoY drop, because of PHEV, is irrelevant. It will recover soon. Oh and let us not forget that you now consider PHEV to be EV. No, you do not get a free pass on that, we were just parsing some data. And happy to see that you have realized the wild folly of self-driving EVs being a disaster for the public. Just another empty dream for the Green Grinch brigade. https://science.ku.dk/english/press/news/2023/self-driving-cars-lack-social-intelligence-in-traffic/ "Self-driving cars fall short when it comes to understanding the social codes in traffic that let human drivers decide whether to give way or drive on, according to new award winning research from the University of Copenhagen." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL December 23, 2023 (edited) Biden is playing Santa Claus this month, gifting the American driver with cheap gasoline. The Biden & Co. urgent pleas to the oil industry to increase production have fallen on receptive ears, and now America is at an all-time high for oil production. Thank you, Santa Claus Joe Biden!! https://www.worldpipelines.com/business-news/23122023/north-america-on-track-to-reach-new-high-in-2023/#:~:text=The growth in US oil,by the end of 2023. "In the US, natural gas production has soared from 54 billion ft3/d to more than 100 billion ft3/d since 2008. The growth in US oil production has been even more pronounced. Since 2008, US crude oil production has grown from 5 million bpd to 12.2 million bpd – a 145% increase – and is likely to reach 12.7 million bpd by the end of 2023." "North American production is set to exceed 41 million boe/d in 2023. By comparison, Middle East oil and gas output in 2023 is just over 38 million boe/d. “North America has an advantage that Europe and mainland China (and many other nations) do not. The United States and Canada produce more oil and gas than any other region in the world – and they also produce more than they consume.” – Celina Hwang, Director, North American Crude Oil Markets, S&P Global Commodity Insights." Edited December 23, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 December 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: No, you do not get a free pass on that, we were just parsing some data. And happy to see that you have realized the wild folly of self-driving EVs being a disaster for the public. Just another empty dream for the Green Grinch brigade. https://science.ku.dk/english/press/news/2023/self-driving-cars-lack-social-intelligence-in-traffic/ "Self-driving cars fall short when it comes to understanding the social codes in traffic that let human drivers decide whether to give way or drive on, according to new award winning research from the University of Copenhagen." No matter how two faced you are you don't get to have it both ways. By your definition then EV sales were up 16% YoY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 December 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Biden is playing Santa Claus this month, gifting the American driver with cheap gasoline. The Biden & Co. urgent pleas to the oil industry to increase production have fallen on receptive ears, and now America is at an all-time high for oil production. Thank you, Santa Claus Joe Biden!! https://www.worldpipelines.com/business-news/23122023/north-america-on-track-to-reach-new-high-in-2023/#:~:text=The growth in US oil,by the end of 2023. "In the US, natural gas production has soared from 54 billion ft3/d to more than 100 billion ft3/d since 2008. The growth in US oil production has been even more pronounced. Since 2008, US crude oil production has grown from 5 million bpd to 12.2 million bpd – a 145% increase – and is likely to reach 12.7 million bpd by the end of 2023." "North American production is set to exceed 41 million boe/d in 2023. By comparison, Middle East oil and gas output in 2023 is just over 38 million boe/d. “North America has an advantage that Europe and mainland China (and many other nations) do not. The United States and Canada produce more oil and gas than any other region in the world – and they also produce more than they consume.” – Celina Hwang, Director, North American Crude Oil Markets, S&P Global Commodity Insights." Glad to hear that you will be voting for Biden as more oil is being produced under his administration than Trump ever dreamed of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 December 24, 2023 (edited) On 12/21/2023 at 9:37 AM, Ecocharger said: Jay, European EV (or BEV) sales fell off a cliff between July and November of this year. Show us the data for that. Oh ahd let us not forget your major disaster of a claim that Phev or BEV sales were down from July to November. Why are you ignoring what you claimed????? BWAHHaaaaHHHaaaaa!!!! You do love to make a fool of yourself for all of us to laugh at. November: July: Edited December 24, 2023 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 December 24, 2023 (edited) The 4th quarter is almost here and every market segment is a financial disaster. Wether it is retail...manufacturing and now financials. The end is here. Is the ESG Investment Bubble Bursting? By Irina Slav - Dec 23, 2023, 4:00 PM CST ESG funds are experiencing a decrease in new inflows and increased closures due to underperformance and investor withdrawal. Regulatory tightening, greenwashing exposure, and a return to oil and gas investments contribute to the declining appeal of ESG funds. Despite previous overperformance, ESG funds are now struggling as investor sentiment shifts back towards traditional energy sectors and increased scrutiny on sustainability claims. Reuters reported this week that funds classified as sustainable saw net new inflows of $68 billion over the first 11 months of the year, which compares with $158 billion last year, per data from LSEG Lipper, the fund performance data provider owned by Reuters’ parent. That’s quite a drop, but compared to 2021, the 2023 figure looks even worse: in 2021, net new inflows into ESG funds totaled $558 billion, LSEG Lipper data shows. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Is-the-ESG-Investment-Bubble-Bursting.html Edited December 24, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL December 24, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: No matter how two faced you are you don't get to have it both ways. By your definition then EV sales were up 16% YoY. Electrical vehicles down 3%. Overall electrical transport is less than 1% of the transport space. Almost nothing. Edited December 24, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 502 GE December 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Electrical vehicles down 3%. Overall electrical transport is less than 1% of the transport space. Almost nothing. 1% is a large amount. Imagine if your Christmas cookie contained 1% lead, would you claim that is almost nothing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,550 December 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: 1% is a large amount. Imagine if your Christmas cookie contained 1% lead, would you claim that is almost nothing? That does deserve some reflection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 December 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Electrical vehicles down 3%. Overall electrical transport is less than 1% of the transport space. Almost nothing. Not according to the official numbers. So just more of your lies. Especially considering that if you want to now define the sector as "electrical" then we have to include HEV which grew by 29% and far outweighs PHEV in size: I am seeing a complete lack of your ability to do simple econometrics and solve for the correct percentages. Edited December 24, 2023 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,098 DM December 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: The 4th quarter is almost here and every market segment is a financial disaster. Wether it is retail...manufacturing and now financials. The end is here. Is the ESG Investment Bubble Bursting? By Irina Slav - Dec 23, 2023, 4:00 PM CST ESG funds are experiencing a decrease in new inflows and increased closures due to underperformance and investor withdrawal. Regulatory tightening, greenwashing exposure, and a return to oil and gas investments contribute to the declining appeal of ESG funds. Despite previous overperformance, ESG funds are now struggling as investor sentiment shifts back towards traditional energy sectors and increased scrutiny on sustainability claims. Reuters reported this week that funds classified as sustainable saw net new inflows of $68 billion over the first 11 months of the year, which compares with $158 billion last year, per data from LSEG Lipper, the fund performance data provider owned by Reuters’ parent. That’s quite a drop, but compared to 2021, the 2023 figure looks even worse: in 2021, net new inflows into ESG funds totaled $558 billion, LSEG Lipper data shows. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Is-the-ESG-Investment-Bubble-Bursting.html retail.....oh boy you must think it is 2008 or you are in Russia in the US .....Booming....out driving today and the stores......Packed Xmas in the US 2023 .....booming and the rest of the year Booming..... what did you think of the 3rd quarter GDP growth???? .....5 percent.........Boommmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2024 .....Looks like the boom will continue.......lower interest rates on the horizon......residential home building.........Booming Renewables .....Booming....Semiconductors.......Booming alas Coal ..........dying ...I will give you that is one industry in the US that is in terminal decline Maybe in your future only one lump of coal in your xmas stocking instead of 2??????? The end is here.????? in Russia ??? yes we can see that is possible 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL December 26, 2023 (edited) On 12/24/2023 at 1:36 AM, Jay McKinsey said: Not according to the official numbers. So just more of your lies. Especially considering that if you want to now define the sector as "electrical" then we have to include HEV which grew by 29% and far outweighs PHEV in size: I am seeing a complete lack of your ability to do simple econometrics and solve for the correct percentages. Jay, perhaps you could explain to us what does this have to do with econometrics? I guess you do not even know what econometrics is, poor fellow. Otherwise you would not make such an ill-informed remark. And you are just deflecting from that 3% collapse in electric vehicle sector sales in the November YoY. You have given us a Merry Christmas present with your usual guff. Keep up the trend! Edited December 26, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,384 DL December 26, 2023 (edited) President Biden has trotted out an enormous Christmas gift for the average American, historic production of oil! The Biden Administration's desperate pleas to the oil producers to increase oil output have been answered. Welcome to the New Age of Oil in America! Keep those fossil fuel cars rolling! https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/US-Shatters-Oil-Production-Records-in-2023.html "The U.S. produced over 4.49 billion barrels of crude oil in 2019, and this record has been exceeded in 2023. The Energy Information Administration's data indicates that the U.S. achieved this milestone around December 15, with a conservative estimate of 13.0 million barrels per day. Alongside oil, the U.S. is also on track to set a new production record for natural gas this year." Edited December 26, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,098 DM December 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: President Biden has trotted out an enormous Christmas gift for the average American, historic production of oil! The Biden Administration's desperate pleas to the oil producers to increase oil output have been answered. Welcome to the New Age of Oil in America! Keep those fossil fuel cars rolling! https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/US-Shatters-Oil-Production-Records-in-2023.html "The U.S. produced over 4.49 billion barrels of crude oil in 2019, and this record has been exceeded in 2023. The Energy Information Administration's data indicates that the U.S. achieved this milestone around December 15, with a conservative estimate of 13.0 million barrels per day. Alongside oil, the U.S. is also on track to set a new production record for natural gas this year." great news for you???.....you going to vote for Biden????? as we can see that you love his policies. Saudi oil production at the same time is collapsing.......Gotta Love Sleepy Joe His Green transition is being done at the same time Coal production is collapsing in the US right now... Next up China Coal consumption peaked and is now declining Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old-Ruffneck + 1,177 er December 26, 2023 4 hours ago, notsonice said: great news for you???.....you going to vote for Biden????? as we can see that you love his policies. Saudi oil production at the same time is collapsing.......Gotta Love Sleepy Joe His Green transition is being done at the same time Coal production is collapsing in the US right now... Next up China Coal consumption peaked and is now declining An Important Message For Oilprice Members × By CMOP09/11/2020 Politics has taken over our energy forum. In order to foment a return to the original intention of this forum, going forward, all threads of a divisive political nature that have nothing to do with energy in any form will be locked and deleted. That includes conspiracy theories of any kind, fun as they may be. Thank you for understanding. I'm sure there are many conspiracy theory forums that would be interested in such comments. Notsonice, you surely are clueless and spout alot of rubbish, same as Jay McKinsey: Sorta wish management would start to enforce above policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 20 TJ December 26, 2023 The crack pots that claim green houses gases are not killing us are just that. We are screwed. Here is the WP article. https://wapo.st/3RWxf8A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodman33 + 20 TJ December 26, 2023 Next summer is going to be fun. 50 degrees in MN on Xmas day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 502 GE December 26, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said: Notsonice, you surely are clueless and spout alot of rubbish, same as Jay McKinsey: Sorta wish management would start to enforce above policy. Green energy is a oil related topic. Politics related to energy policy is also allowed. Begging moderators to silence alternative views is sign of weakness. Make your arguments and win rather than beg for a pro-oil echo-chamber. Edited December 26, 2023 by TailingsPond 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 502 GE December 26, 2023 Hope everyone had a great Christmas. We had a brown Christmas. Only once before can I remember no snow on ground on Christmas, in Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 502 GE December 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, bloodman33 said: Next summer is going to be fun. 50 degrees in MN on Xmas day. Our average daytime high for this day is -7C. Forecast is for above zero near every day. Brown New Years here we come. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,098 DM December 26, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said: An Important Message For Oilprice Members × By CMOP09/11/2020 Politics has taken over our energy forum. In order to foment a return to the original intention of this forum, going forward, all threads of a divisive political nature that have nothing to do with energy in any form will be locked and deleted. That includes conspiracy theories of any kind, fun as they may be. Thank you for understanding. I'm sure there are many conspiracy theory forums that would be interested in such comments. Notsonice, you surely are clueless and spout alot of rubbish, same as Jay McKinsey: Sorta wish management would start to enforce above policy. yeah trying to get people booted, with your BS post, because you do not like their opinions and politics seems to the rage these days........ In America we still allow people to voice opinions....if you do not like them, shove off in the oil world, Politics runs the show.....unless you think that the Saudis and Russians do not use Oil as a political and economic weapon...... Trump and his supporters, who detest the Green transition, tried shutting down our opinions expressed through our votes, on Jan 6......how is that working out for them????? Now the Green transition is happening ....we voted for it....sucks for you, that it is not Oil and Coal friendly........and now you attack those who vote for it by trying to suppress their opinions. Fool maybe this it not the forum for you........as you do not like the facts the Green transition is happening and Coal is toast in the US and Oil will follow in the footsteps.......Good riddance to those who think they can spew anything they want into the public space. why are you are not attacking your pal Eco for him injecting politics into the forum?????? PS put a cork in it, you senile old fart, we have too many methane emissions already..... Sleepy Joe is in charge and the Green Transition moves ahead one solar panel at a time Edited December 26, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,098 DM December 26, 2023 Coal is toast...enjoy the transition...one solar panel at a time International Energy Agency Global coal demand expected to decline in coming years - News - IEA Global coal demand expected to decline in coming years - News from the International Energy Agency. . 1 week ago CNN Global coal demand set to fall as China uses more renewables Global coal demand is likely to have peaked this year, and could drop by about 2% over the next three years as China brings more renewable... . 1 week ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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