Ecocharger + 1,453 DL January 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: SUPPLY CHAINS DRYING UP...OHH HOW CONTRAIRE..THE MONEY CHAIN IN DRYING UP! LIES OF UNTOLD PARALLELS German budget crisis strikes at heart of the Greens’ ambitions The party wanted to make Germany a ‘forerunner’ in the fight against climate change. But budget woes have thrown a wrench in their plans. POLITICO Live More Info Primary Menu SIGN UP TO NEWSLETTERSSIGN IN Politico Pro FreeFROM German budget crisis strikes at heart of the Greens’ ambitions The party wanted to make Germany a ‘forerunner’ in the fight against climate change. But budget woes have thrown a wrench in their plans. Germany’s top court effectively stripped the ruling coalition of the full financial firepower it needs to make its green ambitions a reality | Ina Fassbender/AFP via Getty Images BY HANS VON DER BURCHARD DECEMBER 4, 2023 10:14 PM CET 9 MINUTES READ Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Linkedin Share on WhatsApp Mail PRESS PLAY TO LISTEN TO THIS ARTICLE Voiced by artificial intelligence. KARLSRUHE, Germany — Germany's Greens thought their moment had finally come. After successive crises — the pandemic and the skyrocketing energy prices that followed Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine — it seemed time to double down on the party’s core mission: what party leaders call the “social-ecological” transformation of Germany’s market economy. For the Greens, who govern in the country’s tripartite ruling coalition with the center-left Social Democrats (SPD) and the fiscally conservative Free Democrats (FDP), the stakes of that transformation could hardly be greater. The green-energy transition would not only help Germany, the world’s 11th largest emitter of greenhouse gases in 2022, to meet the country's ambitious goal of cutting emissions by at least 65 percent compared to 1990 levels by the end of the decade. It would make Germany an example to the rest of the world for how industry and consumers could prosper by embracing the vast societal changes needed to avoid a climate catastrophe. But then, last month, Germany’s top court handed down a ruling that effectively stripped the ruling coalition of the full financial firepower it needs to make those ambitions a reality. The bombshell ruling by Germany's Constitutional Court blew a €60 billion hole in the country's finances, leaving the government scrambling to fill the gap. At the same time, the ruling sharply limits the government's ability to draw from special funds created to circumvent the country's constitutional debt brake, which restricts the federal deficit to 0.35 percent of GDP except in times of emergency. These special funds were supposed to help finance several projects which are core to the Greens' agenda — such as the transition of steel plants to hydrogen energy, subsidies for battery and microchip production, and the modernization of the country’s railway network. https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-budget-crisis-strikes-heart-greens-ambitions-coalition-government-olaf-scholz/ They were warned, but they would not listen, they had cotton in their ears. American voters can now see what total nonsense the climate alarmists are bringing onto the scene, financial disaster in a vain attempt to destroy the average American's basic standard of living. And all for no good reason, as new data confirms that anthropogenic CO2 is not a significant contributor to global climate change. Could anything be more warped or foolish? Only the most deluded and desperate of politicians would jump on board this stranded bandwagon. Edited January 16 by Ecocharger 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,453 DL January 16 (edited) Oil will soon be in a desperate shortage to meet world oil demand, which is ramping up to all-time highs. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Occidentals-CEO-Sees-Oil-Supply-Crunch-from-2025.html "The ratio of discovered resources versus demand has dropped in recent decades and is now at around 25%. “In the near term, the markets are not balanced; supply, demand is not balanced,” Oxy’s CEO said. “2025 and beyond is when the world is going to be short of oil.” According to the executive, the oil market will find itself moving from an oversupply in the near term to a long period of supply shortages. Oil industry executives have been warning that new resources, new investments, and new supply will be needed just to maintain the current supply levels as older fields mature." Edited January 16 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 16 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: “2025 and beyond is when the world is going to be short of oil.” "Oil industry executives have been warning that new resources, new investments, and new supply will be needed just to maintain the current supply levels as older fields mature." Just like eyes closed "any day now." 😆 Remember, you said that 2024 was going be when oil was going be at $100. Now you are saying another year from now. Perhaps you will still be around to eat another big plate of crow then. "New investments are needed." New flash the energy companies are divesting from oil. The guy is telling you indirectly that their is little interest in new oil investment and because of this there may be a pinch. If the industry was thriving there would be no need to worry about adequate investment it would happen naturally due to profit motivation. So you get it one of two ways: if investment increases your pinch will not happen; if there are no new investments there will be a temporary supply pinch but that will be a clear sign in the decline of the oil industry (refusal to reinvest). FYI Oil sands operations have very long lifetimes can provide lots of oil without much new investment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 16 43 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Just like eyes closed "any day now." 😆 Actually the end is here...any day now has come and gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 16 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Actually the end is here...any day now has come and gone. Whatever you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 17 (edited) 18 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Oil will soon be in a desperate shortage to meet world oil demand, which is ramping up to all-time highs. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Occidentals-CEO-Sees-Oil-Supply-Crunch-from-2025.html "The ratio of discovered resources versus demand has dropped in recent decades and is now at around 25%. “In the near term, the markets are not balanced; supply, demand is not balanced,” Oxy’s CEO said. “2025 and beyond is when the world is going to be short of oil.” According to the executive, the oil market will find itself moving from an oversupply in the near term to a long period of supply shortages. Oil industry executives have been warning that new resources, new investments, and new supply will be needed just to maintain the current supply levels as older fields mature." more bs babble reality your expected move up in demand...........China is your answer????????? reality on the backbone of China is Steel not Oil Output of steel reinforcing bar (rebar), mainly used in the construction sector, fell 2.2% from a year earlier to 209.74 million tons in the first 11 months of 2023, official data showed. Crude steel production in December extended its decline into a fifth consecutive month, falling by 11.4% from November to 67.44 million tons, the lowest monthly output since December 2017, according to the NBS data. China is heading into a major recession with construction already falling apart and now Steel has no where to turn after experiencing massive losses Repeat the lowest monthly output since December 2017, according to the NBS data Edited January 17 by notsonice 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 17 On 1/16/2024 at 12:55 AM, Eyes Wide Open said: Biggest clean energy disaster in years’: UK auction secures no offshore windfarms This article is more than 4 months old Ive answered this twice already so if you cant read then thats up to you If you look the article is well out of date!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 17 (edited) 21 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Oil will soon be in a desperate shortage to meet world oil demand, which is ramping up to all-time highs. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Occidentals-CEO-Sees-Oil-Supply-Crunch-from-2025.html "The ratio of discovered resources versus demand has dropped in recent decades and is now at around 25%. “In the near term, the markets are not balanced; supply, demand is not balanced,” Oxy’s CEO said. “2025 and beyond is when the world is going to be short of oil.” According to the executive, the oil market will find itself moving from an oversupply in the near term to a long period of supply shortages. Oil industry executives have been warning that new resources, new investments, and new supply will be needed just to maintain the current supply levels as older fields mature." EIA Predicts Fifth Monthly Oil Output Decline EIA Predicts Fifth Monthly Oil Output Decline | OilPrice.com If this story was about EV's you would be saying "case closed I told you it was a fad, EV's are doomed!" But no its about oil and yet you have nothing to say! Edited January 17 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob Plant said: Ive answered this twice already so if you cant read then thats up to you If you look the article is well out of date!! There is no answer from you that has any credence, wind energy investment has walked away from future development. Plant one does not fix a energy infrastructure with overnight miracle cures My god wind energy Siemens Giant has been destroyed by cost over runs and maintenance...How does that happen in a pig rich government green welfare environment? There is only one anwer...a failed I'll convinced technology. Implemented at break neck speeds which defy imagination. A note here Plant..There is nothing more tragic than a salesman working towards a NO CLOSE... Edited January 17 by Eyes Wide Open 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,453 DL January 17 1 hour ago, Rob Plant said: EIA Predicts Fifth Monthly Oil Output Decline EIA Predicts Fifth Monthly Oil Output Decline | OilPrice.com If this story was about EV's you would be saying "case closed I told you it was a fad, EV's are doomed!" But no its about oil and yet you have nothing to say! Oil production worldwide is at an all-time high and growing...I have not heard you respond to that, Rob. I guess you have nothing to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 17 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Oil production worldwide is at an all-time high and growing...I have not heard you respond to that, Rob. I guess you have nothing to say. growing ??? you believe the EIA?????...you got us all, growth of one one thousandth.....Point 1 percent, .1 percent....rounding error in my book...like buying 3 nines gold...999 fine gold.....999 parts gold one part copper. A dead cat bounce of epic proportions? nope a dead cat bounce that failed to meet any of your cries of booming oil demand. you can bet the EIA made up the 100,000 bpd growth so they would not look like bigger fools as they were predicting growth of 1.8 milllion bpd..........they only missed their mark by 95 percent..........give them a trophy for participation????? you keep singing your booming demand ...ha ha ha ha ha their predictions are a joke , same as the bs you post here https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php Worldwide consumption averaged 101.1 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2023, narrowly beating the pre-pandemic record of 101.0 million b/d in 2019, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). peak oil happened in 2019.....your 100,000 bpd dead cat bounce in 2023 and you are stating it is growing.........kinda like a short 70 year old guy putting on lifts and then getting his height measured....he tells everyone he is growing again in reality he is on the path to getting shorter and shorter until he dies.....same path that oil is on oh yeah and the EIAs prediction for 2023 was consumption growth of was 1.8 million bpd....ha ha ha What is the EIA oil demand forecast for 2023? Global oil consumption and inventories Global liquid fuels consumption in our forecast increases by 1.8 million b/d in 2023 and by 1.3 million b/d in 2024. Most of the expected growth in liquid fuels demand is in non-OECD Asia, led by China and India. Global oil markets - EIA Edited January 17 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: My god wind energy Siemens Giant has been destroyed by cost over runs and maintenance...How does that happen in a pig rich government green welfare environment? "Has been destroyed" hahaha. They had a mistake but they recovered promptly. Compare and contrast their dip with the value of oil over the same time period. Oil crashed so hard it had negative value, but recovered. "Following issues with the production of Gamesa, Siemens Energy share price dropped by nearly 35% between 21-23 June 2023. In October 2023 the company announced it was seeking German government guarantees, following quality problems with rotor blades and gears in its newer onshore wind turbines. The company share price dropped once again sharply on 25th October 2023, but it regained most of this loss by 15th November 2023.[6]" Look at their market cap 9 billion Euro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Energy Edited January 17 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 January 17 2 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Has been destroyed" hahaha. They had a mistake but they recovered promptly. Compare and contrast their dip with the value of oil over the same time period. Oil crashed so hard it had negative value, but recovered. Your depth is being demonstrated in spades Ponds...actually your bring credence to a very old Red Neck finance principles...with a twist..CREDIT CARDS WILL SAVE THE DAY.. I can’t be broke … I still have checks left! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 852 GE January 18 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Your depth is being demonstrated in spades Ponds...actually your bring credence to a very old Red Neck finance principles...with a twist..CREDIT CARDS WILL SAVE THE DAY.. I can’t be broke … I still have checks left! They currently have a market cap of 9.07 Billion Euro (as shown but you can't see). They are very far from broke. Look at Tesla for the same 5 year, massive growth. Edited January 18 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 On 1/10/2024 at 4:16 AM, Rob Plant said: Ron have you ever been to Cuba? I have! People live in run down huts, it is law in Cuba that if you drive a government vehicle (nobody can afford their own) you must stop at an intersection and pick up as many people as you can and drive them to work, people literally sit/lie down at intersections waiting for a lift to work and if none comes they go home again and dont go to work! You are comparing poverty stricken countries to that of the US, Japan or Germany who all rank easily in the top 10 wealthiest on the planet, of course the cost of living is more expensive!!! Apples and pears springs to mind! You are using Cuba as your example. Another example of communist failure, just like China, Russia, Venezuela,Belarus, etc. Not a meaningful example at all. Check all the info on Joe Blogs on youtube.com He works with the latest figures from China and Russia. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 13 hours ago, Rob Plant said: EIA Predicts Fifth Monthly Oil Output Decline EIA Predicts Fifth Monthly Oil Output Decline | OilPrice.com If this story was about EV's you would be saying "case closed I told you it was a fad, EV's are doomed!" But no its about oil and yet you have nothing to say! I have always said there is an abundance of oil and natural gas all over the world. It just needs to be exploited. The price is in exploiting it and that includes selling it for whatever it is worth. That means low or high. Every year has more currency inflation so that is a factor also. Oil is selling for about the same it has for the last fifty years in real dollar value or other currency. The only real difference is in the government's ability to tax oil, diesel, and natural gas. Am I right? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 January 18 15 hours ago, notsonice said: more bs babble reality your expected move up in demand...........China is your answer????????? reality on the backbone of China is Steel not Oil Output of steel reinforcing bar (rebar), mainly used in the construction sector, fell 2.2% from a year earlier to 209.74 million tons in the first 11 months of 2023, official data showed. Crude steel production in December extended its decline into a fifth consecutive month, falling by 11.4% from November to 67.44 million tons, the lowest monthly output since December 2017, according to the NBS data. China is heading into a major recession with construction already falling apart and now Steel has no where to turn after experiencing massive losses Repeat the lowest monthly output since December 2017, according to the NBS data China is in a deep recession with massive unemployment and underemployment. Large corporations are moving on to more favorable countries with lower salaries. Communist dictatorships have proven to not be the most reliable places to invest. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM January 18 4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: China is in a deep recession with massive unemployment and underemployment. Large corporations are moving on to more favorable countries with lower salaries. Communist dictatorships have proven to not be the most reliable places to invest. yep China is in a deep recession and with it goes Oil demand 2023 was a bust, Still looking like Peak oil happening in 2019 with a 100,000 BPD dead cat bounce in 2023 2024...China is getting better??? all signs are recession is getting worse in China affecting oil demand to the downside reposting this for your dimwitted pal Eco 17 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Oil production worldwide is at an all-time high and growing...I have not heard you respond to that, Rob. I guess you have nothing to say. growing ??? you believe the EIA?????...you got us all, growth of one one thousandth.....Point 1 percent, .1 percent....rounding error in my book...like buying 3 nines gold...999 fine gold.....999 parts gold one part copper. A dead cat bounce of epic proportions? nope a dead cat bounce that failed to meet any of your cries of booming oil demand. you can bet the EIA made up the 100,000 bpd growth so they would not look like bigger fools as they were predicting growth of 1.8 milllion bpd..........they only missed their mark by 95 percent..........give them a trophy for participation????? you keep singing your booming demand ...ha ha ha ha ha their predictions are a joke , same as the bs you post here https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php Worldwide consumption averaged 101.1 million barrels per day (b/d) in 2023, narrowly beating the pre-pandemic record of 101.0 million b/d in 2019, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). peak oil happened in 2019.....your 100,000 bpd dead cat bounce in 2023 and you are stating it is growing.........kinda like a short 70 year old guy putting on lifts and then getting his height measured....he tells everyone he is growing again in reality he is on the path to getting shorter and shorter until he dies.....same path that oil is on oh yeah and the EIAs prediction for 2023 was consumption growth of was 1.8 million bpd....ha ha ha What is the EIA oil demand forecast for 2023? Global oil consumption and inventories Global liquid fuels consumption in our forecast increases by 1.8 million b/d in 2023 and by 1.3 million b/d in 2024. Most of the expected growth in liquid fuels demand is in non-OECD Asia, led by China and India. Global oil markets - EIA Edited 11 hours ago by notsonice 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 18 9 hours ago, TailingsPond said: They currently have a market cap of 9.07 Billion Euro (as shown but you can't see). It doesnt agree with his narrative so he refuses to see! Sad, but there we are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 18 5 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: You are using Cuba as your example. Another example of communist failure, just like China, Russia, Venezuela,Belarus, etc. Not a meaningful example at all. Check all the info on Joe Blogs on youtube.com He works with the latest figures from China and Russia. I'm using Cuba because it was the example YOU gave. Jeez! Read your own post! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 18 17 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: There is no answer from you that has any credence, wind energy investment has walked away from future development. Plant one does not fix a energy infrastructure with overnight miracle cures My god wind energy Siemens Giant has been destroyed by cost over runs and maintenance...How does that happen in a pig rich government green welfare environment? There is only one anwer...a failed I'll convinced technology. Implemented at break neck speeds which defy imagination. A note here Plant..There is nothing more tragic than a salesman working towards a NO CLOSE... Good grief man, are you really that stupid? Total installed global capacity grew to 906 GW. This represents Year-on-Year growth of 9%. 2023 should be the very first year to exceed 100 GW of new capacity .. The USA has approx 1300GW of total installed powergen of which 141GW is wind or just under 11% of powergen. As of January 2023, the total installed wind power nameplate generating capacity in the United States was 141,300 megawatts (MW). This capacity is exceeded only by China and the European Union Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) U.S. utility-scale electricity generation by source, amount, and share of total in 20221 Data as of October 2023 Energy source Billion kWh Share of total Total - all sources 4,231 Fossil fuels (total) 2,553 60.4% Natural gas 1,687 39.9% Coal 832 19.7% Petroleum (total) 23 0.5% Petroleum liquids 16 0.4% Petroleum coke 7 0.2% Other gases3 12 0.3% Nuclear 772 18.2% Renewables (total) 901 21.3% Wind 434 10.3% Hydropower 255 6.0% Solar (total) 144 3.4% Photovoltaic 141 3.3% Solar thermal 3 0.1% Biomass (total) 52 1.2% Wood 35 0.8% Landfill gas 9 0.2% Municipal solid waste (biogenic) 6 0.1% Other biomass waste 2 <0.1% Geothermal 16 0.4% Pumped storage hydropower4 -6 -0.1% Other sources5 11 0.3% 1 Utility-scale electricity generation is electricity generation from power plants with at least one megawatt (or 1,000 kilowatts) of total electricity generating capacity. Data are for net electricity generation.2 Small-scale solar photovoltaic (PV) systems are electricity generators with less than one megawatt (MW) of electricity generating capacity, which are not connected at a power plant that has a combined capacity of one MW or larger. Most small-scale PV systems are at or near the location where the electricity is consumed and many are net metered systems. Smaller PV systems are usually installed on building rooftops.3 Other gases includes blast furnace gas and other manufactured and waste gases derived from fossil fuels.4 Pumped storage hydroelectricity generation is negative because most pumped storage electricity generation facilities use more electricity than they produce on an annual basis. Most pumped storage systems use fossil fuels or nuclear energy for pumping water to the storage component of the system.5 Other (utility-scale) sources includes non-biogenic municipal solid waste, batteries, hydrogen, purchased steam, sulfur, tire-derived fuel, and other miscellaneous energy sources. Global Wind Report 2023 - Global Wind Energy Council (gwec.net) Please go ahead and argue the numbers, but dont reply with your usual stupid memes, try actual up to date data to back up what you say. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 18 (edited) 18 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Oil production worldwide is at an all-time high and growing...I have not heard you respond to that, Rob. I guess you have nothing to say. Because production is high doesnt mean demand is high. You struggle to understand the difference it seems. Global oil prices and inventoriesThe Brent crude oil spot price averaged $78 per barrel (b) in December, a decrease of $5/b compared with November. Despite the latest round of OPEC+ production cuts announced on November 30, prices fell based on ongoing concerns about global oil demand growth and on rising global oil inventories, which we estimate increased by 0.8 million barrels per day (b/d) in the fourth quarter of 2023 (4Q23). We expect that OPEC+ production cuts will lead to global oil inventory withdrawals of 0.8 million b/d on average in 1Q24. After a period of relative balance from 2Q24 through 1Q25, we expect global oil inventories will build over the final three quarter of 2024 as slowing demand growth once again is outpaced by rising supply growth. Edited January 18 by Rob Plant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 January 18 1 hour ago, Rob Plant said: Good grief man, are you really that stupid? Total installed global capacity grew to 906 GW. This represents Year-on-Year growth of 9%. 2023 should be the very first year to exceed 100 GW of new capacity .. The USA has approx 1300GW of total installed powergen of which 141GW is wind or just under 11% of powergen. As of January 2023, the total installed wind power nameplate generating capacity in the United States was 141,300 megawatts (MW). This capacity is exceeded only by China and the European Union Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) U.S. utility-scale electricity generation by source, amount, and share of total in 20221 Data as of October 2023 Energy source Billion kWh Share of total Total - all sources 4,231 Fossil fuels (total) 2,553 60.4% Natural gas 1,687 39.9% Coal 832 19.7% Petroleum (total) 23 0.5% Petroleum liquids 16 0.4% Petroleum coke 7 0.2% Other gases3 12 0.3% Nuclear 772 18.2% Renewables (total) 901 21.3% Wind 434 10.3% Hydropower 255 6.0% Solar (total) 144 3.4% Photovoltaic 141 3.3% Solar thermal 3 0.1% Biomass (total) 52 1.2% Wood 35 0.8% Landfill gas 9 0.2% Municipal solid waste (biogenic) 6 0.1% Other biomass waste 2 <0.1% Geothermal 16 0.4% Pumped storage hydropower4 -6 -0.1% Other sources5 11 0.3% 1 Utility-scale electricity generation is electricity generation from power plants with at least one megawatt (or 1,000 kilowatts) of total electricity generating capacity. Data are for net electricity generation.2 Small-scale solar photovoltaic (PV) systems are electricity generators with less than one megawatt (MW) of electricity generating capacity, which are not connected at a power plant that has a combined capacity of one MW or larger. Most small-scale PV systems are at or near the location where the electricity is consumed and many are net metered systems. Smaller PV systems are usually installed on building rooftops.3 Other gases includes blast furnace gas and other manufactured and waste gases derived from fossil fuels.4 Pumped storage hydroelectricity generation is negative because most pumped storage electricity generation facilities use more electricity than they produce on an annual basis. Most pumped storage systems use fossil fuels or nuclear energy for pumping water to the storage component of the system.5 Other (utility-scale) sources includes non-biogenic municipal solid waste, batteries, hydrogen, purchased steam, sulfur, tire-derived fuel, and other miscellaneous energy sources. Global Wind Report 2023 - Global Wind Energy Council (gwec.net) Please go ahead and argue the numbers, but dont reply with your usual stupid memes, try actual up to date data to back up what you say. No one cares about capacity. COST/kWh is what matters which is directly tied to capacity factor and cost of wind resource geography ... and that 9% number is ~near zero from the rest of the world and ENTIRELY from China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country and other useless countries which have VERY low capacity factors. Exception: Portions of S. America. Most of those "increases" are from idiots in EU/China with lower than 25% capacity factors... ROFL!!! Wind is useless unless for every GW of wind you have a GW of gas or pumped hydro storage installed.... or battery, and herein lies the rub, no one has batteries so unless said region has lots of NG or pumped hydro storage, wind is not being installed(not to mention they do not have the wind to begin with). Or in the case of the EU huge import terminals for NG and then LIE and say all those coal/nuc plants still running do not count.... EU: Huge NG import terminals to make their intermittent wind work with some hydro, but are now limited to bad wind resources in terms of initial cost USA: Huge NG production to make their intermittent wind work and still has cheap wind resources to corral and why its growing and will continue to do so for a SHORT period of time until the hard wall of not enough GRID transport capacity(almost reached). So, until gargantuan new power lines are installed to say-->Chicago East, wind capacity USA is nearly maxed China: ??? Unknown. They should have gargantuan amounts of pumped hydro storage(but its in the south and wind resources are in Central/North), and they claim they are developing it, but it is not integrated ***yet*** which means their wind capacity which is increasing by gargantuan leaps and bounds is currently being WASTED. A jobs program. So: Headlines vrs Reality 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP January 18 6 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: No one cares about capacity. COST/kWh is what matters which is directly tied to capacity factor and cost of wind resource geography ... and that 9% number is ~near zero from the rest of the world and ENTIRELY from China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country and other useless countries which have VERY low capacity factors. Exception: Portions of S. America. Most of those "increases" are from idiots in EU/China with lower than 25% capacity factors... ROFL!!! Wind is useless unless for every GW of wind you have a GW of gas or pumped hydro storage installed.... or battery, and herein lies the rub, no one has batteries so unless said region has lots of NG or pumped hydro storage, wind is not being installed(not to mention they do not have the wind to begin with). Or in the case of the EU huge import terminals for NG and then LIE and say all those coal/nuc plants still running do not count.... EU: Huge NG import terminals to make their intermittent wind work with some hydro, but are now limited to bad wind resources in terms of initial cost USA: Huge NG production to make their intermittent wind work and still has cheap wind resources to corral and why its growing and will continue to do so for a SHORT period of time until the hard wall of not enough GRID transport capacity(almost reached). So, until gargantuan new power lines are installed to say-->Chicago East, wind capacity USA is nearly maxed China: ??? Unknown. They should have gargantuan amounts of pumped hydro storage(but its in the south and wind resources are in Central/North), and they claim they are developing it, but it is not integrated ***yet*** which means their wind capacity which is increasing by gargantuan leaps and bounds is currently being WASTED. A jobs program. So: Headlines vrs Reality Wind still generated 10.3% of all powergen in the USA in 2022, whether thats intermittent or not, and I'm guessing its cost comparative to NG otherwise why build it in the first place other than to look "green"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190 January 18 2 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Wind still generated 10.3% of all powergen in the USA in 2022, whether thats intermittent or not, and I'm guessing its cost comparative to NG otherwise why build it in the first place other than to look "green"? If generating a profit WITHOUT subsidy(uh hem), using wind energy, then GIANT hedge funds and private equity firms would be SPRINTING to Argentina, South New Zealand, Iceland, and Greenland, setting up giant fertilizer factories, aluminum smelting operations, etc in these regions which all require VAST amounts of electricity. But, we know they aren't and have ZERO plans to ever do so. *** They are setting up GEOTHERMAL powered aluminum plants in Iceland*** Windpower cannot exist without gargantuan subsidy(see recent multi billion dollar bailouts in the EU...). All wind power is nothing but a government puke boondongle corruption scheme with a few ideologues running around and it sorta kinda sorta works so they haven't all been lynched. Solar in say Australia or Middle east makes wind so called "power" look beyond pathetic. Where wind turbines in the USA are built has nothing to do with economics, but rather politics(corruption subsidies) and ideologues who have a lot of $$$ to put into other states. Some ideologues are smarter than others erecting wind turbines where the wind actually blows obtaining capacity factors over 40%, 50%. The Dumb shits on the West coast and East coast, just build them to build them and do not care their CF is 25% or less and are utterly uneconomical where it would be VASTLY more economical to build where the wind blows and Transport the energy to their region via high voltage lines. Its about "looking" supposedly green(actually its commi red). The people who own the wind land gladly take the lease $$$ from ideologues. Look at the barmy fools in the Eastern Baltic regions or India... all have capacity factors ~20%. Good God, how DUMB do you have to be? Move that same turbine even into the Baltic Sea at 2x-->3X the price and the power would be cheaper. India... well that is just classic Corruption as there is no point ANYWHERE in India to install a wind turbine. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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