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52 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Explain Telsa's massive success.  They also sell energy products (panels, batteries).

Math is math, kind of hard to not notice the accounting.

You seem to be confused about the capital markets again.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/10/07/electric-vehicle-stocks-are-tumbling-with-no-end-i/#:~:text=EVs come down to Earth,replaced by plug-in hybrids.

"EV demand has been disappointing in 2024, and that has hurt deliveries and margins for companies across the sector.

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day"

"As all of this bad news flows through the market, it's becoming harder to see a path forward for companies that don't have a significant industry lead and aren't generating positive cash flow."

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22 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You seem to be confused about the capital markets again.[]

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day"

"As stock prices fall?"

Tesla has made massive gains:

+156.75 (91.19%)past 6 months

+104.93 (46.90%)past year

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25 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

"As stock prices fall?"

Tesla has made massive gains:

+156.75 (91.19%)past 6 months

+104.93 (46.90%)past year

The issue is the EV sector. Which is failing.

"EV demand has been disappointing in 2024, and that has hurt deliveries and margins for companies across the sector.

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day."

 

https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/10/07/electric-vehicle-stocks-are-tumbling-with-no-end-i/#:~:text=EVs come down to Earth,replaced by plug-in hybrids.

 

Time for you to clean your reading glasses.

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8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The issue is the EV sector. Which is failing.

"EV demand has been disappointing in 2024, and that has hurt deliveries and margins for companies across the sector.

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day."

Explain Tesla's massive success.  If you say "As stock prices fall" again you are ignoring realty:

+156.75 (91.19%)past 6 months

+104.93 (46.90%)past year

 

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2 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Explain Tesla's massive success.  If you say "As stock prices fall" again you are ignoring realty:

+156.75 (91.19%)past 6 months

+104.93 (46.90%)past year

 

The issue is the EV sector. Which is failing.

"EV demand has been disappointing in 2024, and that has hurt deliveries and margins for companies across the sector.

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day."

 

https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/10/07/electric-vehicle-stocks-are-tumbling-with-no-end-i/#:~:text=EVs come down to Earth,replaced by plug-in hybrids.

 

Time for you to clean your reading glasses again.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

The issue is the EV sector. Which is failing.

 

The EV sector is not what I asked you about.

Explain how Tesla stock has risen so much.  Massive increases. There is no way you can call that failing.

+156.75 (91.19%)past 6 months

+104.93 (46.90%)past year

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6 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

The EV sector is not what I asked you about.

Explain how Tesla stock has risen so much.  Massive increases. There is no way you can call that failing.

+156.75 (91.19%)past 6 months

+104.93 (46.90%)past year

Look at the entire EV sector, which is in trouble.

"EV demand has been disappointing in 2024, and that has hurt deliveries and margins for companies across the sector.

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day."

 

https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/10/07/electric-vehicle-stocks-are-tumbling-with-no-end-i/#:~:text=EVs come down to Earth,replaced by plug-in hybrids.

 

 

 

"In a sobering revelation from a Boston Consulting Group study, the vast majority of potential EV adopters want three things to happen before they’ll seriously consider switching from gas to EV — they want under 20-minute charging times, a 350-mile plus driving range and a sticker price of under $50,000. With only one EV — the Hyundai Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range — meeting those criteria, the industry has a long way to go."

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Look at the entire EV sector, which is in trouble.

 

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day."

You keep posting garbage about falling share prices when the share prices have gone way up.  Try again.

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The trend for EV decline appears to be world wide.

https://www.kedglobal.com/electric-vehicles/newsView/ked202311070016?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhbTAjcXYiQMVOG1HAR3FTSRDEAMYAiAAEgIY_vD_BwE

"Prices of secondhand electric vehicles are falling in South Korea as drivers are increasingly less enchanted with eco-friendly vehicles due to weak new car prices and charging inconveniences.

According to a Korean used-car trading platform K Car Co., prices of used EVs fell as much as 8.4% in the first seven days of this month. Used EVs’ average sale price fell 2%, deeper than gasoline vehicles’ 1.2% decline and a 0.8% fall each for diesel vehicles and hybrid cars.

The model with the sharpest price drop this month was the Volvo C40 Recharge, which fell 8.4%. It sold at around 49 million won ($37,376), down from 53.5 million won last month.

The price of the used Renault Zoe fell 8.1% while the Peugeot e-DS3 Crossback declined 5.5%. The Mercedes-Benz EQE V295 and the BMW i4 decreased by 4.7% each.

The price of Hyundai Motor Co.’s latest electric sedan IONIQ 6 fell 4.9% to 38.4 million won, indicating a widespread price decrease across both domestic and imported models."

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17 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

You keep posting garbage about falling share prices when the share prices have gone way up.  Try again.

Okay, clean your glasses and read,

Look at the entire EV sector, which is in trouble.

"EV demand has been disappointing in 2024, and that has hurt deliveries and margins for companies across the sector.

As stock prices fall, the financial options for these companies dwindle by the day."

 

https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/10/07/electric-vehicle-stocks-are-tumbling-with-no-end-i/#:~:text=EVs come down to Earth,replaced by plug-in hybrids.

 

"In a sobering revelation from a Boston Consulting Group study, the vast majority of potential EV adopters want three things to happen before they’ll seriously consider switching from gas to EV — they want under 20-minute charging times, a 350-mile plus driving range and a sticker price of under $50,000. With only one EV — the Hyundai Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range — meeting those criteria, the industry has a long way to go."

https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/newsroom/detail/hyundai-2023-ioniq-6-se-long-range-rwd-achieves-epa-estimated-driving-range-of-361-miles-0000000182#:~:text=EPA-estimated 361 mile driving,on a fully charged battery.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v3gHStun-I

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Look at the entire EV sector, which is in trouble.

Remember when you bragged about how Ford had abandoned their plans to make the new factory fully EV?

Look at Ford share Price:

-1.23 (-9.98%)past 6 months

+1.28 (13.03%)past year

Total garbage compared to Tesla.

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6 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

[same shit about EV sector]

Do you think that fool article is some sort of authority?  I asked you about the reality of the Tesla share price.  Any economic theory you have must explain the huge increase in Tesla share price.

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Try not to reference some trash, use your own words.

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Here is the stated vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v3gHStun-I

"In a sobering revelation from a Boston Consulting Group study, the vast majority of potential EV adopters want three things to happen before they’ll seriously consider switching from gas to EV — they want under 20-minute charging times, a 350-mile plus driving range and a sticker price of under $50,000. With only one EV — the Hyundai Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range — meeting those criteria, the industry has a long way to go."

https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/newsroom/detail/hyundai-2023-ioniq-6-se-long-range-rwd-achieves-epa-estimated-driving-range-of-361-miles-0000000182#:~:text=EPA-estimated 361 mile driving,on a fully charged battery.

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14 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Fact is oil was shutdown.

You keep saying oil is doing fine despite falling prices and shutdowns.

Why would I be sore over the election?  I don't even live in the USA.  Musk bought Trump and EVs and green energy are getting a boost from owning the executive branch.  Did you notice the billions Tesla made since the election?  Oil got no bump.

There is a nearly forgotten figure i.e.Vance, the deputy...

Vance is backed by Thiel.

Shall lawsuit against Trump continues, according to news analyst, there is a probability Vance will take over to become possibly the youngest president of USA.

It is a trend started by world organization (?) to let the excellent old pioneers retire earlier, and replaced by  ambitious, energetic, vocal  youth. It aims tentatively to make up for existing generation gap, is it not? For examples, let youth have a voice in the parliaments, appoint young chancellors, young presidents in Europe etc... Or, for easier to be influenced and controlled?

Will Elon be the deputy shall Vance take over? Uncertain. 

Therefore, Elon bought Trump? Unlikely. The situation has not been cleared up totally yet.

But Trump has backing too. According to newsletter, two of the advisors for Trump are  experienced personnel in trade and manufacturing industry. It is said that old American system in manufacturing field would be revived. Countries are welcomed to do business with United States but only if they set up factories in USA. This action is expected to

a) bring back outflow investment fund due to globalization; 

b) create jobs within United States

c) increase salary of Americans or something like that

Bitcoin has increased in price to reach usd$ 82,000++ few days ago. Those who purchased at Bank of Goldman Sachs, will make a  fortune. Tesla received bitcoin as payment to EV purchased once upon a time. Not sure if it still does.

~ 3.5 coins for Tesla model 3 at current price. Who is for it?? 

Tesla gains from share and may be not so profitable to receive bitcoin payment for a car? Unless, Goldman Sachs is where Elon has purchased the coins from......

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is the stated vehicle.

 I said try not to post some trash, "use your own words."  You can't form sentences? 

Explain Tesla's massive gains.  Any theory you have has to include that.  I don't care about some Hyundai opinion poll.  First off Hyundai makes crap, second it's a poll not real numbers. 

Tesla's share price reflects actual dollar voting and a strong sign of real investor confidence.  Lots of people are buying in with real money which speaks way louder than a silly poll. 

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Lets check the morning market news:

Tesla already up another 4%.

WTI already down another 1%.

You guys should look at the markets occasionally before you spout off.

In other interesting news Russia is posting naked pictures of Trump's wife on state media.  Perfect campaign on their part, get him elected and then smear him for control and to sow distrust in the American population.  Also there are reports of several phone calls between Putin and Musk. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, specinho said:

Shall lawsuit against Trump continues, according to news analyst, there is a probability Vance will take over to become possibly the youngest president of USA.

Will Elon be the deputy shall Vance take over? Uncertain. 

Therefore, Elon bought Trump? Unlikely. The situation has not been cleared up totally yet.

 

The only way Vance becomes president is if Trump dies.  Trump will be able to pardon himself if required.

It is on record that Elon gave Trump $75,000,000.  It is on record Elon will be put in some form of power.

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8 hours ago, specinho said:

Tesla gains from share and may be not so profitable

 

Tesla is a publicly traded company.  Their financial records are under scrutiny.  The Tesla profits are in no way fake.

You do not need to make a product to make real money.  Facebook operated at a loss for years, makes no tangible product at all other than advertising and selling your data and yet had huge valuation because they had investor confidence.

Venture capitalism baby.

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4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

 I said try not to post some trash, "use your own words."  You can't form sentences? 

Explain Tesla's massive gains.  Any theory you have has to include that.  I don't care about some Hyundai opinion poll.  First off Hyundai makes crap, second it's a poll not real numbers. 

Tesla's share price reflects actual dollar voting and a strong sign of real investor confidence.  Lots of people are buying in with real money which speaks way louder than a silly poll. 

You write garbage, as usual.

Here is the only vehicle which satisfies the needed criteria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v3gHStun-I

"In a sobering revelation from a Boston Consulting Group study, the vast majority of potential EV adopters want three things to happen before they’ll seriously consider switching from gas to EV — they want under 20-minute charging times, a 350-mile plus driving range and a sticker price of under $50,000. With only one EV — the Hyundai Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range — meeting those criteria, the industry has a long way to go."

https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/newsroom/detail/hyundai-2023-ioniq-6-se-long-range-rwd-achieves-epa-estimated-driving-range-of-361-miles-0000000182#:~:text=EPA-estimated 361 mile driving,on a fully charged battery.

 

 

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4 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Lets check the morning market news:

Tesla already up another 4%.

WTI already down another 1%.

You guys should look at the markets occasionally before you spout off.

In other interesting news Russia is posting naked pictures of Trump's wife on state media.  Perfect campaign on their part, get him elected and then smear him for control and to sow distrust in the American population.  Also there are reports of several phone calls between Putin and Musk. 

 

 

Read your morning quota of real analysis for a change,

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canadian-Oil-Stands-To-Profit-From-Trumps-Energy-Agenda.html

"...Canadian oil exports to the United States broke their record this year, hitting 4.3 million barrels daily in July, per U.S. Energy Information Administration data.

U.S. refiners need Canadian crude and have nothing to replace it with, not in the necessary volumes. Even if some future U.S. administration decides to lift all sanctions from Venezuela and Russia, Canadian heavy crude will likely remain the cheapest, most convenient sort of heavy crude for U.S. refiners. Unless that is, the Trudeau government pushes its draconian emissions cap through and makes local crude oil production a lot more expensive.

Until this happens, however, Trump is unlikely to point the tariff weapon north. "

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19 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You write garbage, as usual.

 

Once again you fail to write your own words.

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3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Read your morning quota of real analysis for a change,

 

Once again you avoid addressing the massive Tesla growth.

Oil price comments are not "real analysis" compared to real stock market prices.

Stop using opinion websites and respond to the reality of the market using your own words. 

 

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5 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Once again you avoid addressing the massive Tesla growth.

Oil price comments are not "real analysis" compared to real stock market prices.

Stop using opinion websites and respond to the reality of the market using your own words. 

 

You really are out of touch with reality.

Read and learn, non-economist,

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Drill-Baby-Drill-Hits-Wall-of-Capital-Restraint.html

"Despite the rhetoric and policy platforms, the U.S. tight oil sector “is expected to continue its steady growth, driven more by market forces and company strategy than by government policy,” Matthew Bernstein, Senior Analyst, Upstream Research at Rystad Energy, wrote in an analysis ahead of the U.S. election.

The U.S. industry’s new priorities of returning more cash to shareholders suggest that “even if prices rise, companies are unlikely to significantly increase spending, as production has somewhat decoupled from oil and gas prices,” Bernstein said.

“As a result, the traditional link between high prices and increased drilling activity has been weakened, with companies instead focusing on maintaining capital discipline and maximizing returns.”"

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7 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Once again you avoid addressing the massive Tesla growth.

Oil price comments are not "real analysis" compared to real stock market prices.

Stop using opinion websites and respond to the reality of the market using your own words. 

 

Nonsense, you give us complete nonsense.

Read the analysis of genuine market analysts. 

https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-stock-a-buy-or-a-sell-elon-musk-donald-trump/#:~:text=Wall Street consensus also has,decline vs. %243.12 in 2023.

"Wall Street consensus also has 2024 Tesla earnings firmly below last year's level. That signals another year of earnings declines for this growth stock. Analysts currently expect Tesla earnings per share of just $2.42 in 2024, according to FactSet. That would be about a 22% decline vs. $3.12 in 2023."

"Musk set sky-high expectations for the "We Robot" event. But after showing off a Cybercab and Robovan late on Oct. 10, the market seemed unimpressed with Musk as he once more claimed full autonomous driving will come "next year" but did not offer any details or updates of an "affordable" EV."

Tesla is falling again, sad story.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/11/12/tesla-stock-dips-3-as-post-election-surge-cools-off/

"Shares of Tesla slipped Tuesday as part of a broader cooling off among the hottest trades following last week’s election of Donald Trump"

Second, the run-up in Tesla stock had little to do with EVs.

"Tesla’s core ambitions like electric and autonomous vehicles, solar energy and robotics “is going to involve government and industrial partnership on a scale some have compared to the Manhattan Project, US Highway Act or the Apollo Missions,” Jonas added."

"...accelerate Tesla’s journey beyond autos,” wrote Morgan Stanley "

In other words, a further dependence on government help, which might not be forthcoming.

Other non-EV benefits might include "“streamlining” regulatory approval of Tesla’s self-driving cars and the potential for Tesla to secure further market share in the U.S. with the potential cutback of federal tax credits for electric vehicles." Tesla might gain market share when the rest of the EV sector declines.

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