1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

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55 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

 

Jay the other hidden element that nobody’s is talking about is the entire bottom of the EV is batteries, the several crashes that have been reported on truthfully shows what happens when the cells are cracked open, it becomes a hazmat issue[...]

When a gasoline tank or a diesel tank is cracked open, it becomes a hazmat issue. NCM Li-ion batteries contain some nickel, cobalt, and hydrocarbons that are somewhat toxic, but not as much as gasoline. The other problem with batteries is that they can catch fire, but gasoline and diesel vehicle fires are about 15 times more likely per-vehicle than battery fires.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Dan Clemmensen
add missing "not"

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5 hours ago, Dan Clemmensen said:

When a gasoline tank or a diesel tank is cracked open, it becomes a hazmat issue. NCM Li-ion batteries contain some nickel, cobalt, and hydrocarbons that are somewhat toxic, but not as much as gasoline. The other problem with batteries is that they can catch fire, but gasoline and diesel vehicle fires are about 15 times more likely per-vehicle than battery fires.

See that’s the kind of BS that is so annoying, how many millions of cars have been on the road and had a fire event -v- how may EV’s already have had batteries of issue! Do the math….

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2 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

See that’s the kind of BS that is so annoying, how many millions of cars have been on the road and had a fire event -v- how may EV’s already have had batteries of issue! Do the math….

You mean reality is annoying to you. There are over 170,000 vehicle fires every year in the US. That is 465 a day. They are so common they don't make the news. Every EV fire though is highly publicized. Now how many have you heard about this year? I've heard of 3 or 4.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/statistics/v19i2.pdf

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36 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You mean reality is annoying to you. There are over 170,000 vehicle fires every year in the US. That is 465 a day. They are so common they don't make the news. Every EV fire though is highly publicized. Now how many have you heard about this year? I've heard of 3 or 4.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/statistics/v19i2.pdf

Ok and that’s every vehicle fire not just accidents, GM just released TODAY a fix ( Hopefully) for the Volt which has been catching fire for no reason! Let’s do the percentages…

Edited May 7, 2021 by RichieRich216
Did GREEN ENERGY get the minerals and materials out of the ground, shipped to the processing plant, shipped to and assemble plant made as one item and shipped to the EV manufacturer? What carbon footprints did that leave to GO GREEN….

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The GO GREEN is just as equal to the new CANCEL CULTURE, they are both bullshit! Fucking liberals and there pet projects to save us all! Been listening to same shit for 40+ years and we all ( By their accounts) should had died multiple times by now, Such bullshit..

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5 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Ok and that’s every vehicle fire not just accidents, GM just released TODAY a fix ( Hopefully) for the Volt which has been catching fire for no reason! Let’s do the percentages…

See:

https://www.crsautomotive.com/how-prone-are-electric-cars-to-catching-fire/

 

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8 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Ok and that’s every vehicle fire not just accidents, GM just released TODAY a fix ( Hopefully) for the Volt which has been catching fire for no reason! Let’s do the percentages…

Yes, that number covers accidents and ICE vehicles catching fire for no reason. Go right ahead and do the percentages.

AS EV's grow, their supply chain transportation and mining will shift to using green resources.Simple.

Big miners are already moving to electric/hydrogen from diesel. The transition is just beginning.

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22 hours ago, Dan Clemmensen said:

Ple

22 hours ago, Dan Clemmensen said:

Please re-read my post. I specified an L2 charger at work, not a supercharger. A supercharger would cost $50,000 or so. An L2 charger (240 VAC at 30 Amp) will cost about $1000, because they will be installed en masse in the parking lot. this is also an upper bound: most people do not charge at work, but I wanted to add the $1000-per-EV cost to my conservative "infrastructure" estimate.

Dan - it is you who are not reading me, and you've compounded your error by coming up with yet more absurd estimates. My one sin was a careless use of the word super charger. I wasn't talking about that but the job of rewiring entire car parks and strengthening the electrical systems for the installations. That is the cost. Forget the chargers. Even where the car park is built with chargers in mind, you are NOT talking about $1,000 extra per car. As for your assertion that really not much additional power will be required to run a vast fleet of EVs, the power system in most places are already struggling because fossil fuel has become a dirty phrase and renewables are being loaded onto the network. Now you want to load on EVs! Admittedly the main grid is built to handle peak demand and has a lot of spare capacity during normal operations, so maybe you could support an EV fleet of 5 per cent of the total car fleet without too much trouble. Its when you start getting beyond 10 per cent, may be, you'll strike problems. Again, I urge you to look at the Norway example. they can do this sort of thing because they already had a very strong grid and excellent all-hydro power supply which permits them to export a lot of power.

I note you did not bother to challenge my points about EV incentives and charging stations around the states.

I'm sorry you were not corrected on this before but the costs involved with the adoption of EVs in large numbers will be horrendous. At the minimum carefully planning will be required, as happened in Norway, which avoided major disruption but is now trying to work out how to reduce the enormous costs involved. Now I'll leave you to it. The debate has gone on long enough as it is. 
 

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As additional you all want to GO GREEN, Check the latest news, China is now responsible for 27% of all green house gas’s, more then the U.S. and The EU combined! So when you liberals and greenies kill Americans Energy Independence it will fall on you, At that point all involved should be charged with Crimes against The State and arrested!

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Found guilty and put to death! Would be the best outcome. What you all forget is just because you scream louder and stomp around like petulant children there are 300+ million Americans that quietly do not share your views and just don’t stomp around! You simply don’t have the numbers on your side.

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4 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Found guilty and put to death! Would be the best outcome. What you all forget is just because you scream louder and stomp around like petulant children there are 300+ million Americans that quietly do not share your views and just don’t stomp around! You simply don’t have the numbers on your side.

2020 election

As U.S. Election Nears, Polling Shows 82 Percent of Voters Support 100 Percent Clean Energy Transition

 

Common Dreams

Oct. 28, 2020 08:59AM EST Energy

The majority of voters support a transition to renewable energy, including wind and solar. paedwards / Needpix

 

By Jessica Corbett

With an estimated 66 million ballots already cast and only a week to go until Election Day, new polling released Tuesday shows the vast majority of U.S. voters believe the nation should be prioritizing a transition to 100% clean energy and support legislation to decarbonize the economy over the next few decades.

 

 

Climate Nexus, the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication, and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication surveyed over 2,000 registered voters online in late September and early October. The poll's margin of error is plus/minus 2.2% at the 95% confidence level.

Pollsters found that 82% of voters somewhat (33%) or strongly (49%) agree that "the primary goal of U.S. energy policy should be achieving 100% clean energy."

Respondents were also asked to weigh in on legislation introduced in Congress "that would set the goal of achieving a 100% clean economy (eliminating fossil fuel emissions from the transportation, electricity, buildings, industry, and agricultural sectors) in the United States by the year 2050."

Over seven in 10 said they somewhat (31%) or strongly (40%) support such legislation—the same total percentage who said they somewhat (32%) or strongly (39%) support "requiring electric utility companies in the United States to generate 100% of their electricity from renewable sources, like wind and solar, by the year 2035."

"The conventional wisdom has clearly changed," Anthony Leiserowitz, director of Yale's program, said in a statement about the survey results Tuesday. "Voters strongly support a national transition from dependence on coal, oil, and gas to renewable sources like solar and wind."

The poll shows majorities of voters believe that transitioning to a 100% clean energy economy would positively impact jobs and economic growth, energy bills, rural and farming communities in their state, and communities of color in their state.

A majority of respondents (62%) also said they would be more likely to or would only vote for a candidate who supports "providing a multi-trillion-dollar federal economic stimulus that prioritizes investments in clean energy infrastructure."

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5 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Found guilty and put to death! Would be the best outcome. What you all forget is just because you scream louder and stomp around like petulant children there are 300+ million Americans that quietly do not share your views and just don’t stomp around! You simply don’t have the numbers on your side.

Found guilty and put to death! Would be the best outcome.???? dude, you are a whack job that needs to be institutionalized

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39 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

As additional you all want to GO GREEN, Check the latest news, China is now responsible for 27% of all green house gas’s, more then the U.S. and The EU combined! So when you liberals and greenies kill Americans Energy Independence it will fall on you, At that point all involved should be charged with Crimes against The State and arrested!

If you had a brain you would realize that 100% renewables is energy independence. Do you think we are going to run an electric line from Saudi Arabia?

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41 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If you had a brain you would realize that 100% renewables is energy independence. Do you think we are going to run an electric line from Saudi Arabia?

Plz do not give Biden&The Lollipop Guild any more material for a epiphany.

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Just now, Eyes Wide Open said:

Plz do not give Biden&The Lollipop Guild any more material for a epiphany.

Lol, there might actually be reasons to work up to a many time zone grid: http://m.earth.org.uk/note-on-EU-US-supergrid-interconnector.html

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19 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Lol, there might actually be reasons to work up to a many time zone grid: http://m.earth.org.uk/note-on-EU-US-supergrid-interconnector.html

Fantastic, a plan to export our excess renewables!

Let's not forget Australia: https://suncable.sg/

Edited May 8, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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11 hours ago, notsonice said:

Found guilty and put to death! Would be the best outcome.???? dude, you are a whack job that needs to be institutionalized

The wack jobs are the less then 1/100 of 1% that only think they know what is best for everyone! 

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11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

If you had a brain you would realize that 100% renewables is energy independence. Do you think we are going to run an electric line from Saudi Arabia?

That the stupidities rationale to date, can you brainwashed fools know what percentage the sun is going to sine or the wind is going to blow in the future, get real you all drank the kool aid and have tunnel vision.

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13 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You mean reality is annoying to you. There are over 170,000 vehicle fires every year in the US. That is 465 a day. They are so common they don't make the news. Every EV fire though is highly publicized. Now how many have you heard about this year? I've heard of 3 or 4.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/statistics/v19i2.pdf

 

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Check out the record keeping on 90 plus years of Scientists trying to understand the Earth and almost weekly we find something posted that shows the previous theory was incorrect! Nobody has the faintest clue of how the Earth takes care of itself! If Climate Change is so Concrete then why can’t the scientists predict Earthquakes or Tornado’s to a scientific level? In the late 60’s through 80’s it was all about the ozone layer, yet we and other countries blew bigger holes in it launching rockets and the space shuttle then all the refrigerant that was causing our demise in the world! The people like the ass hole Clinton’s , Hollywood and liberals grab onto this and know absolutely nothing and can’t provide the concrete science on it, they all are throwing darts! The biggest scammer was Al Gore who make millions selling this to the kool aid drinkers blind following idiots they are, all fly private jets and are quick to say they purchased a carbon offset! THAT IS WHAT THIS REALLY IS ALL ABOUT, $$$$$$$$ and nothing else, just a hustle to sell their fucked up personal agenda! Anyone who believes this shit should spend all their savings mortgage everything they have and by Crypto another bubble that will make the 2008 massive mortgage scam look like a hiccup! Or go out and buy a digital asset!

How much more fucking stupid can you people be! At the end of the day it’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

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17 hours ago, notsonice said:

2020 election

As U.S. Election Nears, Polling Shows 82 Percent of Voters Support 100 Percent Clean Energy Transition

 

Common Dreams

Oct. 28, 2020 08:59AM EST Energy

The majority of voters support a transition to renewable energy, including wind and solar. paedwards / Needpix

 

By Jessica Corbett

With an estimated 66 million ballots already cast and only a week to go until Election Day, new polling released Tuesday shows the vast majority of U.S. voters believe the nation should be prioritizing a transition to 100% clean energy and support legislation to decarbonize the economy over the next few decades.

 

 

Climate Nexus, the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication, and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication surveyed over 2,000 registered voters online in late September and early October. The poll's margin of error is plus/minus 2.2% at the 95% confidence level.

Pollsters found that 82% of voters somewhat (33%) or strongly (49%) agree that "the primary goal of U.S. energy policy should be achieving 100% clean energy."

Respondents were also asked to weigh in on legislation introduced in Congress "that would set the goal of achieving a 100% clean economy (eliminating fossil fuel emissions from the transportation, electricity, buildings, industry, and agricultural sectors) in the United States by the year 2050."

Over seven in 10 said they somewhat (31%) or strongly (40%) support such legislation—the same total percentage who said they somewhat (32%) or strongly (39%) support "requiring electric utility companies in the United States to generate 100% of their electricity from renewable sources, like wind and solar, by the year 2035."

"The conventional wisdom has clearly changed," Anthony Leiserowitz, director of Yale's program, said in a statement about the survey results Tuesday. "Voters strongly support a national transition from dependence on coal, oil, and gas to renewable sources like solar and wind."

The poll shows majorities of voters believe that transitioning to a 100% clean energy economy would positively impact jobs and economic growth, energy bills, rural and farming communities in their state, and communities of color in their state.

A majority of respondents (62%) also said they would be more likely to or would only vote for a candidate who supports "providing a multi-trillion-dollar federal economic stimulus that prioritizes investments in clean energy infrastructure."

Hey, that's not so nice.

It simply shows how these lobby groups can get polls which show support for their views, a laugh.

Here is the real story of green failure, showing the vulnerability of green energy supply.

A royal fiasco in American energy sourcing,

"Officials at ERCOT said that the grid operator was unaware that the program to save power actually ended up cutting off some of the much-needed natural gas supply at the time by shutting down critical natural gas infrastructure."

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40 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Hey, that's not so nice.

It simply shows how these lobby groups can get polls which show support for their views, a laugh.

Here is the real story of green failure, showing the vulnerability of green energy supply.

A royal fiasco in American energy sourcing,

"Officials at ERCOT said that the grid operator was unaware that the program to save power actually ended up cutting off some of the much-needed natural gas supply at the time by shutting down critical natural gas infrastructure."

Lobby Groups? Climate Nexus, the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication, and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication all top notch reputable organizations, unless you think Yale or George Mason University is not credible. Did you get your degree at Trump U? you do realize Trump U was never accredited

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6 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

The wack jobs are the less then 1/100 of 1% that only think they know what is best for everyone! 

The wack jobs are the less then 1/100 of 1% that only think they know what is best for everyone! And I see you post like the 1/100 of 1%. Did you enjoy the poll I posted? Where did you get 300 Million from? Did you pull it out of your ass as usual? (there are 300+ million Americans that quietly do not share your views) The poll I posted directly contradicts what you are babbling here, And I personally believe the poll over a Whack Job like you. How much more fucking stupid can you people be!

Edited May 8, 2021 by notsonice

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On 5/6/2021 at 5:32 PM, RichieRich216 said:

So CA has rolling Black out why? With all that energy of only 1/3….

CA has become a Shit Show and that’s why mass exodus of the population, Except your really really cool people that can’t be bothered with real issues!

They think they are Woke, but are really under mass hypnosis. Maybe waking up to reality soon though. 

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11 hours ago, notsonice said:

Lobby Groups? Climate Nexus, the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication, and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication all top notch reputable organizations, unless you think Yale or George Mason University is not credible. Did you get your degree at Trump U? you do realize Trump U was never accredited

Those are lobby organizations for the Green Dream, polling results will show support depending on how questions are phrased, which population segments are targeted for polling...there are a huge bag of tricks in this.

Means absolutely nothing. My degrees were from reputable universities.