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Toyota wants to eliminate most of its vehicle sales by 2030

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Toyota is following in the footsteps of other foolish automakers in the past by insisting on building the cars most convenient for them and not what customers want. While trying to explain what the CEO was thinking some commented that if you put your desires out in the universe the universe will reward you. Other more intelligent commenters dismissed this nonesense and insisted the customer is always right. One wonders what sort of lobbing efforts Toyota is pursuing to bail them out of this fiasco at the expense of tax payers. Some were heard to chant "to dumb to bail(out)"

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They are just betting the S-curve is about to start in EV adoption. 

Toyota was one of the stragglers because they had so many mild hybrid cars. 

It kind of makes sense to me, the more EV cars there is, the better the economies of scale and charging infrastructure. It may flip that the ICE car becomes significantly more expensive to own/buy.

 

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You can have a Toyota in any color you want...

 

 

...as long as it's BLACK.

40 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

They are just betting the S-curve is about to start in EV adoption. 

Toyota was one of the stragglers because they had so many mild hybrid cars. 

It kind of makes sense to me, the more EV cars there is, the better the economies of scale and charging infrastructure. It may flip that the ICE car becomes significantly more expensive to own/buy.

 

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Amazing (if I'm judging colors correctly), that RADIO survived the Great Depression (perhaps as a source of electric heat?).

So did the "Fridge"!

Both still popular to this very day!

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18 hours ago, turbguy said:

You can have a Toyota in any color you want...

 

 

...as long as it's BLACK.

Amazing (if I'm judging colors correctly), that RADIO survived the Great Depression (perhaps as a source of electric heat?).

So did the "Fridge"!

Both still popular to this very day!

They survived but not with the same technology. The "cars" category will also survive, just utilizing different technology.

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On 5/13/2021 at 6:02 AM, surrept33 said:

They are just betting the S-curve is about to start in EV adoption. 

Toyota was one of the stragglers because they had so many mild hybrid cars. 

It kind of makes sense to me, the more EV cars there is, the better the economies of scale and charging infrastructure. It may flip that the ICE car becomes significantly more expensive to own/buy.

 

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I still think their PHEV is one of the best compromises. Surprised they haven't rolled out the battery & engine combo to more models. The 9kwh battery covers most short journeys with the engine range to deal with longer stuff. You can pick up nearly new models for £20-£25K

My wife getting promoted next year. job involves some travel (from London to Scotland  /Wales / North) and she is talking about getting a TESLA. That will be interesting. 

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1 hour ago, NickW said:

I still think their PHEV is one of the best compromises. Surprised they haven't rolled out the battery & engine combo to more models. The 9kwh battery covers most short journeys with the engine range to deal with longer stuff. You can pick up nearly new models for £20-£25K

My wife getting promoted next year. job involves some travel (from London to Scotland  /Wales / North) and she is talking about getting a TESLA. That will be interesting. 

I don't think Toyota wants to sell PHEV.  RAV4 Prime (their only PHEV?) has huge demand but they are only making a handful of them. It gets people down to the lot looking for one and they drive away in a standard hybrid version.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I don't think Toyota wants to sell PHEV.  RAV4 Prime (their only PHEV?) has huge demand but they are only making a handful of them. It gets people down to the lot looking for one and they drive away in a standard hybrid version.

The prius has a PHEV version. Its got a 8.8 kwh battery with a 34 mile range. I wish they would put the PHEV in the Corolla estate which is a functional family car. For us that would cut our petrol consumption by 60-70% but give us the range we need regularly. 

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On 5/12/2021 at 11:39 PM, dittrick63 said:

Toyota is following in the footsteps of other foolish automakers in the past by insisting on building the cars most convenient for them and not what customers want. While trying to explain what the CEO was thinking some commented that if you put your desires out in the universe the universe will reward you. Other more intelligent commenters dismissed this nonesense and insisted the customer is always right. One wonders what sort of lobbing efforts Toyota is pursuing to bail them out of this fiasco at the expense of tax payers. Some were heard to chant "to dumb to bail(out)"

From a governmental and lawmaking perspective, I expect the contrary.  They are looking at the number of governments which are mandating reductions in ICE vehicle sales, and have bet/decided that they should prepare now so that competition will need subsidies to transition later.  If they position themselves correctly, Toyota and some other 'early adopters' of battery electric vehicles will lobby to have their competitors banned or legislated out of existence.  

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On 5/19/2021 at 3:13 AM, NickW said:

I still think their PHEV is one of the best compromises. Surprised they haven't rolled out the battery & engine combo to more models. The 9kwh battery covers most short journeys with the engine range to deal with longer stuff. You can pick up nearly new models for £20-£25K

My wife getting promoted next year. job involves some travel (from London to Scotland  /Wales / North) and she is talking about getting a TESLA. That will be interesting. 

Short answer:  It's too complicated.  It was a transitional developmental step while carmakers were figuring out how to do battery electrics, and a necessary one given the uncertainties of performance and high costs of batteries at the time.  Now it's just a clunky legacy product that has too many moving parts, and to much assembly to be as profitable and reliable as a battery electric vehicle.  Toyota sold millions of prius' over the years.  If they thought that extending that technology in other directions was worthwhile it would be easy for them to do it. 

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16 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

If they position themselves correctly, Toyota and some other 'early adopters' of battery electric vehicles will lobby to have their competitors banned or legislated out of existence.  

California controls a lot of money and has driven a lot of regulation.  Get something banned in California and manufacturers quickly adapt to that standard and usually apply it to all their products - even ones sold elsewhere.

"This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause..."

 

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45 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

Short answer:  It's too complicated.  It was a transitional developmental step while carmakers were figuring out how to do battery electrics, and a necessary one given the uncertainties of performance and high costs of batteries at the time.  Now it's just a clunky legacy product that has too many moving parts, and to much assembly to be as profitable and reliable as a battery electric vehicle.  Toyota sold millions of prius' over the years.  If they thought that extending that technology in other directions was worthwhile it would be easy for them to do it. 

Yes - I suspect so. 

I can see my wife borrowing my Corolla Hybrid for long distance business trips in the scenario presented. Still that would leave me with the Tesla to drive ponce around in😁

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50 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

Short answer:  It's too complicated.  It was a transitional developmental step while carmakers were figuring out how to do battery electrics, and a necessary one given the uncertainties of performance and high costs of batteries at the time.  Now it's just a clunky legacy product that has too many moving parts, and to much assembly to be as profitable and reliable as a battery electric vehicle.  Toyota sold millions of prius' over the years.  If they thought that extending that technology in other directions was worthwhile it would be easy for them to do it. 

In the Uk you can pick up the 3rd generation PHEV prius for £10-£11K. Its got a 4.4kwh battery. As a second car that would make a nice runabout for us which would do the majority of journeys in EV mode. TBH I'd probably try and stretch to the 8.8kwh version . With my wifes driving any car we buy ends up with bumpers in a year or two that look like a blind cobblers thumb so we run cars into the ground as they have no resale value. 

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1 hour ago, NickW said:

In the Uk you can pick up the 3rd generation PHEV prius for £10-£11K. Its got a 4.4kwh battery. As a second car that would make a nice runabout for us which would do the majority of journeys in EV mode. TBH I'd probably try and stretch to the 8.8kwh version . With my wifes driving any car we buy ends up with bumpers in a year or two that look like a blind cobblers thumb so we run cars into the ground as they have no resale value. 

Sure - they are fine cars - they just won't make any more of them.  If you get one at a decent price, drive it and enjoy it.  

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14 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Sure - they are fine cars - they just won't make any more of them.  If you get one at a decent price, drive it and enjoy it.  

If my wife gets this promotion we will end up with a US made Tesla  and Uk made Corolla Estate Hybrid. A good combination and sourced from my preference countries for purchasing. 

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