NickW + 2,568 NW October 7, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, nsdp said: Nick that means the reactor had to go operational in 1961. Russia had one submarine and the US had 8. The US has scrapped any and all nuke boats older than the Block II Los Angeles Class, The Los Angeles was scrapped in 2010. You need to do a fact check before you start typing. Nautilus and 1st Seawolf ,Trition, all Skate Skipjack and Hallibut class, all George Washingtons and as of 2019 the Ohio is the oldest sub in service.Bremerton went to nuclear decommsioning in 2020. The USNS Enterprise was 55 years because of delay in deliveries of the Ford. She was the only ship to go over 50 and that is because the Ford is ten years late, The USA isn't the only country building nuclear subs (rolly eyeballs) Britains first nuclear submarine - Build 1959-60. Commissioned 1963. HMS Dreadnought (S101) - Wikipedia I didn't say the reactor had been operating for 60 years. I said RR have been building PWR's for 60 years. its a reference to their experience in this field. Take note: On 31 August 1960, the UK's second nuclear-powered submarine was ordered from Vickers Armstrong and, fitted with Rolls-Royce's PWR1 nuclear plant, Edited October 7, 2021 by NickW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,040 RP October 7, 2021 6 hours ago, nsdp said: Nick that means the reactor had to go operational in 1961. Russia had one submarine and the US had 8. The US has scrapped any and all nuke boats older than the Block II Los Angeles Class, The Los Angeles was scrapped in 2010. You need to do a fact check before you start typing. Nautilus and 1st Seawolf ,Trition, all Skate Skipjack and Hallibut class, all George Washingtons and as of 2019 the Ohio is the oldest sub in service.Bremerton went to nuclear decommsioning in 2020. The USNS Enterprise was 55 years because of delay in deliveries of the Ford. She was the only ship to go over 50 and that is because the Ford is ten years late, The US has no nuclear powered subs in operation??? Really??? "Yet while the Virginia Class was smaller than the Seawolf, it took advantage of new technologies and itself became a world-leading nuclear powered attack submarine." The US is planning to build 72 -78 of these subs! https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/07/us-navys-virginia-class-submarines-get-more-tomahawk-missiles/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_submarines http://www.gdeb.com/about/oursubmarines/ http://www.gdeb.com/about/oursubmarines/lineup/ Do you believe the US submarine fleet are all diesel powered? I think General Dynamics would disagree with you. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,568 NW October 7, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: The US has no nuclear powered subs in operation??? Really??? "Yet while the Virginia Class was smaller than the Seawolf, it took advantage of new technologies and itself became a world-leading nuclear powered attack submarine." The US is planning to build 72 -78 of these subs! https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/07/us-navys-virginia-class-submarines-get-more-tomahawk-missiles/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_submarines http://www.gdeb.com/about/oursubmarines/ http://www.gdeb.com/about/oursubmarines/lineup/ Do you believe the US submarine fleet are all diesel powered? I think General Dynamics would disagree with you. He has misread what I wrote and assumed nuclear subs built by the UK 60 years ago are still in operation. See my previous post. Edited October 7, 2021 by NickW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,040 RP October 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, NickW said: He has misread what I wrote and assumed nuclear subs built by the UK 60 years ago are still in operation. See my previous post. Sorry yeah I misread what he said myself lol Yes there are 4 Dreadnought nuc subs being built as we speak via BAE systems to RR and RR integrators (sub tier manufacturers) these are both Nuclear powered and nuclear armed. Regarding the 7 Astute class nuclear attack subs, 5 are commissioned and the last 2 still being built. Obviously US , UK and OZ have just signed up together too. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,568 NW October 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Sorry yeah I misread what he said myself lol Yes there are 4 Dreadnought nuc subs being built as we speak via BAE systems to RR and RR integrators (sub tier manufacturers) these are both Nuclear powered and nuclear armed. Regarding the 7 Astute class nuclear attack subs, 5 are commissioned and the last 2 still being built. Obviously US , UK and OZ have just signed up together too. RR have been building PWR's since the late 50's. They may well have been US designs / modifications of US designs but the point is they have a huge amount of experience in this field. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,040 RP October 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, NickW said: RR have been building PWR's since the late 50's. They may well have been US designs / modifications of US designs but the point is they have a huge amount of experience in this field. My company makes the fasteners for RR on these subs amongst other things, we are the only GS3001 RR approved fastener manufacturer. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat One + 89 WO October 7, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 2:32 PM, ronwagn said: There have only been energy crises due to politics, wars, monopolies, etc. The world is full of fossil fuels, brilliant chemists, engineers, oilmen, coal miners, wind turbines, solar plants, dam builders, etc. When people do not support energy production there are energy crises. I started studying this during the G.W. Bush "energy crisis" when he recommended using corn plant refuse and ethanol etc. I only knew the oil business back then, but decided that natural gas was much more abundant, often wasted, cleaner, and less costly. It can also be made from most waste products thus helping get rid of refuse and sewage. Ron, you know that I am also a fan of natural gas as a bridging fuel, but you also now know that wind and solar are much cheaper than any fossil fuel when it comes to producing electricity for the grid. Another thing you know is that batteries and H2 will eventually provide all the short and long-term storage in the not-too-distant future. And that H2 or green ammonia will power ships and aircraft. I thought you might like to take a look at the latest Quarterly Report from Shell. It doesn't take much "reading between the lines" to see which direction they are heading. From building offshore wind in New Jersey, selling out of oil refineries before they become worthless, to investing heavily in H2. Here is the link... https://www.shell.com/investors/results-and-reporting/quarterly-results/_jcr_content/par/grid/p0/textimage.stream/1627487961332/4e29c45e60019d73765e9953217e29935de67692/q2-2021-qra-document.pdf Dunno if that is "clickable" but easy to google shell.com and go from there. Just search "Quarterly Results". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat One + 89 WO October 7, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 9:55 PM, NickW said: I like wind ( i have a small yacht) but it has its limitations and the Governments aim of 40GW is complete overload unless you have the storage capacity and unfettered access to offload onto Europes grid. The connection with Norway is good as it links in with their huge Blasjo pump storage complex but we would need more than that 1400W connection to soak up 40GW if that is produced outside of peak demand hours. Total interconnections now are: France 3GW Belgium 1GW Netherlands 1GW Ireland 1GW Norway 1.4GW Denmark (2022) 1.4GW Why do you think the UK is investing in H2 production? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat One + 89 WO October 7, 2021 18 hours ago, NickW said: So obvious that isn't it given the recent superspike in prices.......... As for developing the resources it has to be there in the first place and fracking underneath heavily populated areas is a non starter. I agree the French nucs have been awful of late. Fortunately Rolls Royce have been building PWR's for some of the worlds best nuclear subs over the last 60 years and plan to scale that up. These smaller nucs are modular and easy to deploy as they can be assembled in a factory and shipped to site by truck. G'day nick, looks like someone heard our conversation of about 12 months ago regarding nuke subs for Australia 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 658 October 7, 2021 7 hours ago, NickW said: The only obstacle to permanent disposal of high grade nuclear waste is political. Low level stuff can just be isolated and left to decay. technical answer - find a an area of stable rock and drill a big hole several hundred meters deep. Vitrify the nuc waste in glass. Encase in Copper cask. Embed cask in hole in bentonite clay. The nuclear waste can be given to the Russians. One person's nuclear waste is another person's future MOX fuel. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,568 NW October 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: The nuclear waste can be given to the Russians. One person's nuclear waste is another person's future MOX fuel. Why - the UK's MOX processing facilities are second only to the French facilities. Sellafield - Wikipedia 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 658 October 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, NickW said: Why - the UK's MOX processing facilities are second only to the French facilities. Sellafield - Wikipedia And the French are second to Russians. The French already do send their "tails" to Russia for reprocessing. What does UK need MOX fuel for? Do they have any production plants running on MOX? Russia does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remix_Fuel Your link says the site is getting decommissioned Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Wombat One said: Ron, you know that I am also a fan of natural gas as a bridging fuel, but you also now know that wind and solar are much cheaper than any fossil fuel when it comes to producing electricity for the grid. Another thing you know is that batteries and H2 will eventually provide all the short and long-term storage in the not-too-distant future. And that H2 or green ammonia will power ships and aircraft. I thought you might like to take a look at the latest Quarterly Report from Shell. It doesn't take much "reading between the lines" to see which direction they are heading. From building offshore wind in New Jersey, selling out of oil refineries before they become worthless, to investing heavily in H2. Here is the link... https://www.shell.com/investors/results-and-reporting/quarterly-results/_jcr_content/par/grid/p0/textimage.stream/1627487961332/4e29c45e60019d73765e9953217e29935de67692/q2-2021-qra-document.pdf Dunno if that is "clickable" but easy to google shell.com and go from there. Just search "Quarterly Results". I have not studied your link yet. I have my own sources and you can see some of them right on oilprice.com I will tell you that realists will win the battle, not green dreamers. I hope that the dreamers win in the long run but that will be long after we are all dead. I am talking about the next few decades. Coal will rule in Asia for decades. Natural gas will be tapped and used all over the world. No sane person will accept the higher prices of wind and solar. Natural gas is very abundant and will meet the real needs of the present. Economies that attempt to go all green quickly will crumble. Look at Europe right now. Look at America right now. Biden says that high gasoline prices are bad but that Global warming is worse. That is like saying to hell with the economy, just give me 13 trillion dollars to waste on the Demoncrat agenda. Hydrogen is made from natural gas. It can be made from excess wind power, but I do not see that happening. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 7, 2021 (edited) On 10/7/2021 at 9:32 AM, Wombat One said: Why do you think the UK is investing in H2 production? Because they think there is more profit in it. Edited October 8, 2021 by ronwagn spelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 8, 2021 14 hours ago, NickW said: The only obstacle to permanent disposal of high grade nuclear waste is political. Low level stuff can just be isolated and left to decay. technical answer - find a an area of stable rock and drill a big hole several hundred meters deep. Vitrify the nuc waste in glass. Encase in Copper cask. Embed cask in hole in bentonite clay. Ok then. Why is this not being done? Why not use Yucca Flat which was stopped by Senator Harry Reid, Democrat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 435 eh October 8, 2021 16 hours ago, Rob Plant said: The US has no nuclear powered subs in operation??? Really??? "Yet while the Virginia Class was smaller than the Seawolf, it took advantage of new technologies and itself became a world-leading nuclear powered attack submarine." The US is planning to build 72 -78 of these subs! https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/07/us-navys-virginia-class-submarines-get-more-tomahawk-missiles/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_submarines http://www.gdeb.com/about/oursubmarines/ http://www.gdeb.com/about/oursubmarines/lineup/ Do you believe the US submarine fleet are all diesel powered? I think General Dynamics would disagree with you. If you had passed a class in English grammar rather than getting a social promotion (no student left behind), you would know that the number of submarines operational world wide in 1961 was exactly 9. All retired before 50 years of age. The USNS Emterprise was not retired as scheduled before 50 years because the Gerald R Ford was not timely delivered. To maintain numbers of operational carriers the Enterprise was held back 8 years. The US NS TEXAS, and California CGN class and USNS Bainbridge and Truxton were all timely retired. Now stupid do you know what a Block II and III Los Angeles boat is? They are revised Los Angeles boats. The Bremerton began decommissioning at 44 years of age. She was the last of the Block I Los Angeles class. . AS to this stupid illiterate statement"Do you believe the US submarine fleet are all diesel powered? I think General Dynamics would disagree with you." I said as of 2019 the Ohio is the oldest sub in service. Bremerton went to nuclear decommsioning in 2020. Are you knot literate enough to know that the Ohio is a nuke powered Boomer? and therefore all 16 boomers are active. It also should be intuitively obvious that all Block II and III boats are still in service. Royal Navy's first nuke boat was Dreadnaught serving from 1962 to 1980. How many of you have a DD214? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 435 eh October 8, 2021 4 hours ago, ronwagn said: I have not studied your link yet. I have my own sources and you can see some of them right on oilprice.com I will tell you that realists will win the battle, not green dreamers. I hope that the dreamers win in the long run but that will be long after we are all dead. I am talking about the next few decades. Coal will rule in Asia for decades. Natural gas will be tapped and used all over the world. No sane person will accept the higher prices of wind and solar. Natural gas is very abundant and will meet the real needs of the present. Economies that attempt to go all green quickly will crumble. Look at Europe right now. Look at America right now. Biden says that high gasoline prices are bad but that Global warming is worse. That is like saying to hell with the economy, just give me 13 trillion dollars to waste on the Demoncrat agenda.at Hydrogen is made from natural gas. It can be made from excess wind power, but I do not see that happening. Ron it is already happening 10 mw at Shells refinery in Germany and 18 mw ENi's refinery in Italy https://www.shell.de/media/shell-media-releases/2021/shell-energy-and-chemicals-park-rheinland.html https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/news/shell-and-itm-to-burefinery-projectild-world-s-largest-electrolysis-plant/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,568 NW October 8, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, ronwagn said: Ok then. Why is this not being done? Why not use Yucca Flat which was stopped by Senator Harry Reid, Democrat. Note the word POLITICAL Edited October 8, 2021 by NickW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,568 NW October 8, 2021 9 hours ago, ronwagn said: I have not studied your link yet. I have my own sources and you can see some of them right on oilprice.com I will tell you that realists will win the battle, not green dreamers. I hope that the dreamers win in the long run but that will be long after we are all dead. I am talking about the next few decades. Coal will rule in Asia for decades. Natural gas will be tapped and used all over the world. No sane person will accept the higher prices of wind and solar. Natural gas is very abundant and will meet the real needs of the present. Economies that attempt to go all green quickly will crumble. Look at Europe right now. Look at America right now. Biden says that high gasoline prices are bad but that Global warming is worse. That is like saying to hell with the economy, just give me 13 trillion dollars to waste on the Demoncrat agenda. Hydrogen is made from natural gas. It can be made from excess wind power, but I do not see that happening. At £2.5-3 a Therm for natural gas, wind and solar per kwh thrashes gas on price. You need to join the real world and stop dreaming Ron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,040 RP October 8, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, nsdp said: If you had passed a class in English grammar rather than getting a social promotion (no student left behind), you would know that the number of submarines operational world wide in 1961 was exactly 9. All retired before 50 years of age. The USNS Emterprise was not retired as scheduled before 50 years because the Gerald R Ford was not timely delivered. To maintain numbers of operational carriers the Enterprise was held back 8 years. The US NS TEXAS, and California CGN class and USNS Bainbridge and Truxton were all timely retired. Now stupid do you know what a Block II and III Los Angeles boat is? They are revised Los Angeles boats. The Bremerton began decommissioning at 44 years of age. She was the last of the Block I Los Angeles class. . AS to this stupid illiterate statement"Do you believe the US submarine fleet are all diesel powered? I think General Dynamics would disagree with you." I said as of 2019 the Ohio is the oldest sub in service. Bremerton went to nuclear decommsioning in 2020. Are you knot literate enough to know that the Ohio is a nuke powered Boomer? and therefore all 16 boomers are active. It also should be intuitively obvious that all Block II and III boats are still in service. Royal Navy's first nuke boat was Dreadnaught serving from 1962 to 1980. How many of you have a DD214? Calm down ndsp no need to name call, I'm sure you're "stupid" on many topics! I did correct my own error after this post if you could be bothered to check/read it, I was skim reading, typing and trying to work all at the same time. Not to worry I'll move on. Edited October 8, 2021 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 8, 2021 12 hours ago, nsdp said: Ron it is already happening 10 mw at Shells refinery in Germany and 18 mw ENi's refinery in Italy https://www.shell.de/media/shell-media-releases/2021/shell-energy-and-chemicals-park-rheinland.html https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/news/shell-and-itm-to-burefinery-projectild-world-s-largest-electrolysis-plant/ Good luck with that if it is at a good price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 8, 2021 8 hours ago, NickW said: At £2.5-3 a Therm for natural gas, wind and solar per kwh thrashes gas on price. You need to join the real world and stop dreaming Ron This is all caused by the green dreamers and their government wrangling with the economy. They are intent on destroying the real economy and are doing an excellent job. The people will rebel against the foolisness. https://www.climatedepot.com/2021/10/08/bloomberg-news-moment-of-clarity-global-energy-crisis-is-the-first-of-many-in-the-clean-power-era-what-does-a-global-transition-to-clean-energy-mean-energy-crises-gas-shortages/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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ronwagn + 6,290 October 8, 2021 8 hours ago, NickW said: At £2.5-3 a Therm for natural gas, wind and solar per kwh thrashes gas on price. You need to join the real world and stop dreaming Ron https://www.climatedepot.com/2021/10/08/bloomberg-news-moment-of-clarity-global-energy-crisis-is-the-first-of-many-in-the-clean-power-era-what-does-a-global-transition-to-clean-energy-mean-energy-crises-gas-shortages/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 October 8, 2021 19 hours ago, NickW said: Why - the UK's MOX processing facilities are second only to the French facilities. Sellafield - Wikipedia This is an interesting article. I would love to see how much money they will spend on their total operations during the life of this agency! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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