China's aggression is changing the nature of sovereignty.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

15 minutes ago, Hotone said:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211219-two-chinese-firms-to-build-1-000-schools-in-iraq

China demonstrates aggression and the evil nature of its Communist regime by  building thousands of schools in Iraq.  America demonstrates its Christian love and goodness, and superior values of rule of law and democracy by bombing and killing millions of Muslims, and lying to the world about Iraqi WMD.  I really can't stand the two faced hypocrisy.

 

We were talking about Hong Kong!!!

You seem to have changed the story to suit

[Hotone + 412]

7 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

ALL the surveillance and info gathering methods deployed in China today were invented by Americans and deployed in America at least a decade before China adopted such methods.

I don't know about the Americans, but Singapore had a vast surveillance system before China.  Singapore also had something of a Social Credit system, where they impose increasing penalties for undesirable behaviour.  China used to admire Singapore and send officials to learn and  copy a lot of its practices and systems.

[Hotone + 412]

2 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

We were talking about Hong Kong!!!

You seem to have changed the story to suit

I was not replying to the discussion between you and Frankfurter, but rather the headline and original post of this thread.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

6 minutes ago, Hotone said:

I was not replying to the discussion between you and Frankfurter, but rather the headline and original post of this thread.

Sorry fair enough!

All governments use ways to control the masses whether its obvious in the form of physical violence or the use of tactics as you suggest which is the favoured approach. George Orwell had it nailed when he wrote 1984.

We now live in a world where the sphere of influence of the mega rich is greater than many countries GDP which makes these unaccountable individuals a huge threat to the world at large.

Globalisation is here and its a frightening thought!

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by Rob Plant

[frankfurter + 562]

1 hour ago, Hotone said:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211219-two-chinese-firms-to-build-1-000-schools-in-iraq

China demonstrates aggression and the evil nature of its Communist regime by  building thousands of schools in Iraq.  America demonstrates its Christian love and goodness, and superior values of rule of law and democracy by bombing and killing millions of Muslims, and lying to the world about Iraqi WMD.  I wonder who is the doing the work of the devil and who is doing the Lord's work.

 

and lest we forget, to Madeline Albright the death of 500,000 Iraqi children, due to US sanctions alone, was 'worth it'.

For the people here at OilPrice,,, America = Good.  China = Bad.  and aint nothing or nobody ever gonna change that equation. 

China's aggression is the simple fact 1.4 billion live in China, who refuse to accept the tyranny of the USA.

Edited December 21, 2021 by frankfurter

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

11 hours ago, frankfurter said:

HK has still the same courts, the same police, the same legislature structure, as it did upon the handover.

I believe this was the plot of a movie...

#BirdsArentReal

[ronwagn + 6,290]

15 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Idiotic comment. The photo PROVES the HK residents enjoyed their freedom to assemble and protest peacefully. Imagine that. The evil PRC govt actually permitted the HK residents to enjoy their rights under the Basic Law.

Morons like you should take note: the right to assemble peacefully continues to this day.  What was, is, and will not be tolerated is violent assembly.  The protestors turned violent, and committed murder.  Yet the HK police did not murder protestors. 

Pelosi described the protests in HK as a beautiful sight: but described the US protests as the work of thugs and criminals.  YOUR GOVERNMENT murdered your own citizens when the protestors stormed your capitol.  hmmm, shall we call murder a beautiful thing? 

The world knows how communist have treated their people. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

 

 

 

 

 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

14 hours ago, frankfurter said:

HONGKONG POLICE.  Why do you persist your attempts to include PRC police, when none were present? 

 

Because that is how communist puppet governments work. 

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

15 hours ago, frankfurter said:

HONGKONG POLICE.  Why do you persist your attempts to include PRC police, when none were present? 

 

Stop the lies.  CCP thugs who were bus 'd over the border and throw on a HK police uniform...

[frankfurter + 562]

38 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Stop the lies.  CCP thugs who were bus 'd over the border and throw on a HK police uniform...

where is your proof?

[RichieRich216 + 454]

China like as is the case with Russia is flexing its muscles because we have a weak President and joke for a VP, but at the end of the day China has gotten to where it is by forced labor, the destruction, and mined out natural resources. The globalist and multinational corporations did them a great favor by taking advantage of the cheap labor! Their day of reckoning is coming, The people of China want what they are manufacturing and the counties population of workers are well past the age and the younger generation wants nothing to do with cheap labor jobs. China debt to GDP is a problem and 90% of the people of China invested in junk bonds in the real estate market which true experts say they have a better than 7 Trillion of bad debt and even with the Communist government currently only protecting the individual investors with the offshore going to coupon holders going to get fucked. Lastly, the amount of technology they have stolen and reverse engineered still doesn't give them the same quality of military equipment. The ruling party is walking the sharp edge of the sword and any mistakes will crash.

The Chinese people are not having kids and want out of China. Military they won't make any big jumps because just like the Russian ruling class they care more about their personal fortunes than starting a war.

They are more concerned about self-preservation then Agenda, They will talk tough but at the end of the day won't act on threats.

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

On 12/20/2021 at 8:16 PM, Hotone said:

 

How hard are you going to protect your freedoms?  Your freedom will be different from other Americans' freedom.  Does this mean you are willing to go to war?  Is this what you mean by not the end?  This is scary shit!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-civil-war-violence-professor-ucsd-b1979333.html?amp

https://youtu.be/6AS11SbvLmM

 

 

The US will not go to war with itself. Perhaps a spotting of civil disobedience across the country may occur however.

This socialist/progressive movement stepped over the line with racism. They took CRT into the classrooms of America in the dead of night...that deed was their undoing.

You speak to freedoms, raising children to be taught racism? Such burdens are intolerable and unacceptable.

[TailingsPond + 1,007]

4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The US will not go to war with itself.

History tends to repeat itself.  A second civil war is not unthinkable especially after Trump's (now undeniable) coup attempt.

The "south" will lose again.

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,555]

1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

History tends to repeat itself.  A second civil war is not unthinkable especially after Trump's (now undeniable) coup attempt.

The "south" will lose again.

Grass Hopper it is over. Even a man burdened with senility understands.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/politics/biden-trump-covid-vaccine-booster/index.html

Biden offers rare praise of Trump during Covid speech

Edited December 23, 2021 by Eyes Wide Open

[El Gato + 254]

On 12/21/2021 at 7:25 AM, frankfurter said:

and lest we forget, to Madeline Albright the death of 500,000 Iraqi children, due to US sanctions alone, was 'worth it'.

For the people here at OilPrice,,, America = Good.  China = Bad.  and aint nothing or nobody ever gonna change that equation. 

China's aggression is the simple fact 1.4 billion live in China, who refuse to accept the tyranny of the USA.

So that begs another question, when China going to be held accountable for the millions of COVID deaths they made in Wuhan? And was it truly accidental, or subterfuge to cause the western governments foment the current civil unrest in their countries?

We know now by the way the virus mutates, it isn't a naturally occurring virus, so that excuse is out the window.

If you want to say the research was funded by NIH and Fauci, I'll buy all that and a bag a peanuts. And if confirmed, him and his ilk should be set to trials the likes on Nuremburg, BUT, it was still developed in WUHAN with the head of it a Chinese Bio-weapon scientist.

So Where's China's accountability?

[frankfurter + 562]

58 minutes ago, El Gato said:

So that begs another question, when China going to be held accountable for the millions of COVID deaths they made in Wuhan? And was it truly accidental, or subterfuge to cause the western governments foment the current civil unrest in their countries?

We know now by the way the virus mutates, it isn't a naturally occurring virus, so that excuse is out the window.

If you want to say the research was funded by NIH and Fauci, I'll buy all that and a bag a peanuts. And if confirmed, him and his ilk should be set to trials the likes on Nuremburg, BUT, it was still developed in WUHAN with the head of it a Chinese Bio-weapon scientist.

So Where's China's accountability?

uh, nope. The virus was first developed in the USA and patented. US7220852B1. From this first development, all information in the USA has been removed from public access. you wonder why? So, if you demand accountability, look in your mirror.  From this start, many countries received the virus. Fact: Covid cases are reported in Europe BEFORE Wuhan. Why are these countries not investigated? 

[frankfurter + 562]

23 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

China like as is the case with Russia is flexing its muscles because we have a weak President and joke for a VP, but at the end of the day China has gotten to where it is by forced labor, the destruction, and mined out natural resources. The globalist and multinational corporations did them a great favor by taking advantage of the cheap labor! Their day of reckoning is coming, The people of China want what they are manufacturing and the counties population of workers are well past the age and the younger generation wants nothing to do with cheap labor jobs. China debt to GDP is a problem and 90% of the people of China invested in junk bonds in the real estate market which true experts say they have a better than 7 Trillion of bad debt and even with the Communist government currently only protecting the individual investors with the offshore going to coupon holders going to get fucked. Lastly, the amount of technology they have stolen and reverse engineered still doesn't give them the same quality of military equipment. The ruling party is walking the sharp edge of the sword and any mistakes will crash.

The Chinese people are not having kids and want out of China. Military they won't make any big jumps because just like the Russian ruling class they care more about their personal fortunes than starting a war.

They are more concerned about self-preservation then Agenda, They will talk tough but at the end of the day won't act on threats.

Spoken as the true Imperialist you are. 

[El Gato + 254]

38 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

uh, nope. The virus was first developed in the USA and patented. US7220852B1. From this first development, all information in the USA has been removed from public access. you wonder why? So, if you demand accountability, look in your mirror.  From this start, many countries received the virus. Fact: Covid cases are reported in Europe BEFORE Wuhan. Why are these countries not investigated? 

Show me the proof. All evidence seen points to Wuhan, including the money trail. Also,common colds are corona viruses also. I want covid 19 proof.

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

NIH Documents Provide New Evidence U.S. Funded Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan

 

http://coronavirus.ca/2021/12/22/dr-alina-chan-doubles-down-on-covid-19-wuhan-lab-origin-theory/

Dr. Alina Chan doubles down on COVID-19 Wuhan lab origin theory

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html

Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China

Edited December 23, 2021 by El Gato

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 12/21/2021 at 3:29 PM, Strangelovesurfing said:

I believe this was the plot of a movie...

#BirdsArentReal

I have seen all the versions. A similar take was Invaders from Mars. There was a modern version. It was more realistic in that a simple electronic device was implanted in the brain of the victims. It was not voluntary. Elon Musk is working on a voluntary version.He would probably give a good discount on a Tesla for participants in his studies. 

[frankfurter + 562]

1 hour ago, El Gato said:

Show me the proof. All evidence seen points to Wuhan, including the money trail. Also,common colds are corona viruses also. I want covid 19 proof.

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

NIH Documents Provide New Evidence U.S. Funded Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan

 

http://coronavirus.ca/2021/12/22/dr-alina-chan-doubles-down-on-covid-19-wuhan-lab-origin-theory/

Dr. Alina Chan doubles down on COVID-19 Wuhan lab origin theory

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html

Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China

you can't access the patent that is referenced?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

all work subsequent to the study in Spain is suppressed. gee, I wonder why?

Edited December 23, 2021 by frankfurter

[ronwagn + 6,290]

1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

Spoken as the true Imperialist you are. 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=China+map+of+states&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.clipartmaps.com%2Fsite%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FChina_500_72_RSP.jpg

[frankfurter + 562]

1 hour ago, El Gato said:

Show me the proof. All evidence seen points to Wuhan, including the money trail. Also,common colds are corona viruses also. I want covid 19 proof.

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/

NIH Documents Provide New Evidence U.S. Funded Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan

 

http://coronavirus.ca/2021/12/22/dr-alina-chan-doubles-down-on-covid-19-wuhan-lab-origin-theory/

Dr. Alina Chan doubles down on COVID-19 Wuhan lab origin theory

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/Covid-19-UK-Wuhan-lab-leak-likely-origin-Covid-MPs-told.html

Wuhan lab leak 'is now the most likely origin of Covid because Beijing tried to cover it up' and it is 'reasonable to believe virus was engineered in China

Only an idiot accepts 'likelihood' and 'reasonable to believe' as evidence. So are you an idiot? A moron? 

The following presents an English translation of a Research Paper published in Italy, ca Nov 2020.
This paper is no longer accessible by the public.  gee, I wonder why?

Given your limited ability to reason, only the abstract is presented here. If you cannot comprehend the significance of proof of antibodies, may God help you.

Giovanni Apolone1*, Emanuele Montomoli2, 3*, Alessandro Manenti3, 4,
Mattia Boeri , Federica Sabia , Inesa Hyseni , Livia Mazzini , Donata Martinuzzi , Laura
Cantone5, Gianluca Milanese6, Stefano Sestini1, Paola Suatoni1, Alfonso Marchianò1,
Valentina Bollati5, Gabriella Sozzi1, Ugo Pastorino1
1Fondazione IRCCS Istituto Nazionale Tumori, Milan, Italy
2
Faculty of Medicine and Surgery, University of Siena, Siena, Italy
3 VisMederiSrl, Siena, Italy
4VisMederiResearch Srl, Siena, Italy
5EPIGET–Epidemiology,
Epigenetics and Toxicology Lab, University of Milan, Milan,
Italy
6Radiology,
Department of Medicine and Surgery, University of Parma, Parma, Italy
*G.A. and E.M. contributed equally to this work.
Corresponding Author:
Gabriella Sozzi, Fondazione IRCCS Istituto Nazionale Tumori, via Venezian 1, Milano,
Lombardia 20133, Italy. Email: gabriella.sozzi@istitutotumori.mi.it

1/4Abstract

There are no robust data on the real onset of severe acute respiratory syndrome
coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and spread in the prepandemic period
worldwide. We investigated the presence of SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain
(RBD)–specific antibodies in blood samples of 959 asymptomatic individuals enrolled
in a prospective lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020
to track the date of onset, frequency, and temporal and geographic variations across the
Italian regions. SARS-CoV-2 RBD-specific antibodies were detected in 111 of 959
(11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases
(>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in
Lombardy. This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2
among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was
identified, and clarifies the onset and spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-
19) pandemic. Finding SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in asymptomatic people before the
COVID-19 outbreak in Italy may reshape the history of pandemic.

 

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

On 12/18/2021 at 1:50 AM, El Gato said:

I gotta know, how much Vodka were you into when you came up with this propaganda column? It reads like Herr Gobbels and Tokyo Rose went on a bender one night together.

Wake up, stormtrooper. You are the new Nazis, not us. This must be the first time you read anything truthful on the subject.

I don't drink.

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

On 12/21/2021 at 6:04 PM, frankfurter said:

where is your proof?

Said videos of said thugs speaking mandarin...

Said videos of said CCP thugs arresting anyone who was elected to represent the people.

Said videos of said thugs arresting anyone advocating for democracy. 

There are literally hundreds of them... but sure "no proof"...

You just LOVE dictators eh...

I would gladly put 200% tariffs on ALL dictatorship nations. 

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

11 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The US will not go to war with itself. Perhaps a spotting of civil disobedience across the country may occur however.

This socialist/progressive movement stepped over the line with racism. They took CRT into the classrooms of America in the dead of night...that deed was their undoing.

You speak to freedoms, raising children to be taught racism? Such burdens are intolerable and unacceptable.

Hate to break it to you, but USA is already in open war with itself over basic religion.  Atheists who believe the end justifies the means and cultural Christianity are in direct odds against each other.  The only difference is the war is not hot right now.