ronwagn + 6,290 December 21, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Tom Nolan said: Americans and much of Europe are silly stupid. China is condemned as an Authoritarian State which monitors the population through their phones and facial recognition. The population is tracked and their ability to participate in the economy is tied to their phone ID. Yet, the western world is voluntarily trying to become like China. All online data in the western world for each individual is being harvested on each individual. The Vaccine Passports are the deceptive step towards implementing the same social control which China has on its population. It is beyond me that most people do not recognize that we are rapidly headed towards the same totalitarian status as China. Tom, if it is beyond you, I can explain it for you. I don't think it is beyond you though. Propaganda and Mind Control https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cBjsei8lp-zDw12zU7uQ7x8EvswUUAPs6r1mUU8oG6w/edit One World Government AKA Globalism AKA The Great Reset, AKA Agenda 21 etc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8kNhtZJLuN66TpDuo67WBV1U2JhhZIvAefxeMNK0ls/edit Edited December 21, 2021 by ronwagn reference 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, frankfurter said: Facts. In 1980, the population of HK was 5 million. Today, 7.5 million. A growth of 50% Yet you claim the UK alone has absorbed 5 million from HK? Bro, you need help. So we offer to take 2/3 of the whole of their population. I never said the UK has taken these but offered it to the population when all of the rioting against the current tyrannical regime was happenning, try reading not assuming! I need help? Man you are a troubled soul Merry Christmas Edited December 21, 2021 by Rob Plant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 3 hours ago, ronwagn said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_Hong_Kong_protests Yes its pretty obvious that the Honk Kong people really love the fact their freedoms have been revoked by the CCP. @frankfurterAre all these people just out for a Sunday afternoon stroll or do they wish for the freedoms they once had when under British rule? Any and all old colonies we are more than happy to give full control back, just ask Barbados!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 3 hours ago, ronwagn said: The CCP broke the treaty they had with England that guaranteed rights to Hong Kong for a given time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration Only an ill-educated, ignorant person considers Wikipedia to be factual and true (you can search for reviews). The handover was not and is not a treaty. Have you any idea of what is a treaty? A joint declaration is not a treaty. The handover was and is an irrevocable transfer of sovereignty. Have you read the handover agreement? quoted from the DECLARATION... To this end, they [UK and PRC, only] have, after talks between the delegations of the two Governments, agreed to declare as follows: 1. The Government of the People's Republic of China declares that to recover the Hong Kong area (including Hong Kong Island, Kowloon and the New Territories, hereinafter referred to as Hong Kong) is the common aspiration of the entire Chinese people, and that it has decided to resume the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong with effect from 1 July 1997. 2. The Government of the United Kingdom declares that it will restore Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China with effect from 1 July 1997. A condition of the handover was the creation of the Basic Law. The Basic Law was implemented fully, and remains in effect and unchanged up to and including today. No breech of law has occurred, and no changes to political institutions has occurred. HK has still the same courts, the same police, the same legislature structure, as it did upon the handover. The Basic Law does not give HK residents the right to suffrage; neither had they any rights under UK colonial rule. The Basic Law established PRChina's sovereignty over HK, completely and unequivocally. I suggest you read the Basic Law, though I know it will be beyond your abilities. With the enactment of the Basic Law, all rights the UK had over HK came to an end. The handover is irrevocable and unequivocal. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Yes its pretty obvious that the Honk Kong people really love the fact their freedoms have been revoked by the CCP. @frankfurterAre all these people just out for a Sunday afternoon stroll or do they wish for the freedoms they once had when under British rule? Any and all old colonies we are more than happy to give full control back, just ask Barbados!! Idiotic comment. The photo PROVES the HK residents enjoyed their freedom to assemble and protest peacefully. Imagine that. The evil PRC govt actually permitted the HK residents to enjoy their rights under the Basic Law. Morons like you should take note: the right to assemble peacefully continues to this day. What was, is, and will not be tolerated is violent assembly. The protestors turned violent, and committed murder. Yet the HK police did not murder protestors. Pelosi described the protests in HK as a beautiful sight: but described the US protests as the work of thugs and criminals. YOUR GOVERNMENT murdered your own citizens when the protestors stormed your capitol. hmmm, shall we call murder a beautiful thing? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/hong-kong-sentencing-captain-america-activist-exposes-dangerously-disproportionate?utm_source=google&utm_medium=grant&utm_campaign=&utm_content=activist hong kong https://bitterwinter.org/all-elections-in-hong-kong-are-now-meaningless/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48607723 https://www.vox.com/world/2019/8/22/20804294/hong-kong-protests-9-questions The protests all started because of amendements to Hong Kong's extradition law which was non-negotiable by the CCP The protests then developed into a pro democracy movement that was brutally crushed by force. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, frankfurter said: The photo PROVES the HK residents enjoyed their freedom to assemble and protest peacefully. Hmmm really??? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/hong-kong-arbitrary-arrests-brutal-beatings-and-torture-in-police-detention-revealed/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/11/hong-kong-police-shoot-demonstrator-during-morning-rush-hour https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54056356 https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/11/19/still-no-accountability-hong-kongs-police-force I could paste literally dozens of these! I'm sure it was necessary for 2 policemen to tackle this 12 year old girl to the ground when she was out shopping (third post) Again your extreme bias towards all things CCP is truly scary! If you think the HK police allowed these peaceful protests you really have lost your mind and your credibility 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/hong-kong-sentencing-captain-america-activist-exposes-dangerously-disproportionate?utm_source=google&utm_medium=grant&utm_campaign=&utm_content=activist hong kong https://bitterwinter.org/all-elections-in-hong-kong-are-now-meaningless/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48607723 https://www.vox.com/world/2019/8/22/20804294/hong-kong-protests-9-questions The protests all started because of amendements to Hong Kong's extradition law which was non-negotiable by the CCP The protests then developed into a pro democracy movement that was brutally crushed by force. The west media reported the reason was extradition. Well, we all know the west media lies, or are you gonna say it doesn't? uh, any extradition law applies to criminals, not to law abiding citizens. So why would ordinary citizens protest on behalf of criminals? I suppose this makes sense to you? uh, you think the PRC govt one day just up and decided willy nilly to invoke an Extradition Law? Only a moron would confuse how and why extraditions occur. Extraditions are by means of TREATIES, not local laws. Uh, this requires TWO jurisdictions. uh, so who was the other jurisdiction? Taiwan, who wanted a murderer extradited. Again, why would ordinary HK residents support a murderer? The true impetus for the protests was economic. The protests morphed into an attempted colour revolution funded and abetted by the USA. Brutal suppression? How so? The HK police displayed enormous constraint, which is why the protest continued for months. No PRC military or police crossed into HK. PRC respected the Basic Law, which gives full authority to the HK legislature for controlling violent protests. The HK police managed the violence, not the PRC. The protestor/murderers are tried in HK under HK law, not in the PRC. Your attempt to distort facts is feeble. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, frankfurter said: The HK police displayed enormous constraint, Haha you'd be funny if it wasnt so horrific As for Western media yes all media has bias especially that coming from the CCP controlled media. Does Amnesty international or human rights watch (two of the posts) have political bias or are they just concerned with oppression and violence towards our fellow man? Did you even bother to read the articles? wake up and smell the coffee! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Hmmm really??? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/hong-kong-arbitrary-arrests-brutal-beatings-and-torture-in-police-detention-revealed/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/11/hong-kong-police-shoot-demonstrator-during-morning-rush-hour https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54056356 https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/11/19/still-no-accountability-hong-kongs-police-force I could paste literally dozens of these! I'm sure it was necessary for 2 policemen to tackle this 12 year old girl to the ground when she was out shopping (third post) Again your extreme bias towards all things CCP is truly scary! If you think the HK police allowed these peaceful protests you really have lost your mind and your credibility impossible to discuss anything with a moron. Your links refer to HONGKONG POLICE. The PRC military and police were not involved. The HK police are empowered by the HK Basic Law, not by PRC law. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, frankfurter said: impossible to discuss anything with a moron. Your links refer to HONGKONG POLICE. The PRC military and police were not involved. The HK police are empowered by the HK Basic Law, not by PRC law. NO! They are told what to do by their ultimate bosses the CCP! Its impossible to have a rational discussion with you over anything China. Whether its Taiwan or Hong Kong you refuse to ever see the other viewpoint or even to entertain there could be one. It shows your absolute blinkered approach that makes most of your arguments look stupid, angry and petulant. Edited December 21, 2021 by Rob Plant 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob Plant said: Haha you'd be funny if it wasnt so horrific As for Western media yes all media has bias especially that coming from the CCP controlled media. Does Amnesty international or human rights watch (two of the posts) have political bias or are they just concerned with oppression and violence towards our fellow man? Did you even bother to read the articles? wake up and smell the coffee! HONGKONG POLICE. Why do you persist your attempts to include PRC police, when none were present? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob Plant said: NO! They are told what to do by their ultimate bosses the CCP! Please stop the lies. The HK Police are accountable to the HK Legislature, per the Basic Law. The PRC police were never involved. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, frankfurter said: impossible to discuss anything with a moron. As usual you have to resort to name calling because you have lost the argument, very telling! Do you consider amnesty international a purely Western organisation? Just for your info they have an office in Hong Kong so are well positioned to report what is going on where they are based!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, frankfurter said: Please stop the lies. The HK Police are accountable to the HK Legislature, per the Basic Law. The PRC police were never involved. The Hong Kong police are accountable to the Security bureau which are a government organisation. Guess who the Hong Kong government report to???? The CCP "In January 2021, a proposal from the government was announced, where information of airline passengers would be shared with the Immigration Department and passengers could potentially be banned from flying. In response to criticism that it could lead to preventing Hong Kong citizens from leaving the city, the Security Bureau claimed that they would not be affected, and that this would only be for "passenger information on flights heading to Hong Kong, rather than departing flights. The right of Hong Kong residents to enter or leave Hong Kong is not affected." "In February 2021, after reports that the Security Bureau worked with the Correctional Services Department to force prisoners with dual passports to declare a sole nationality, the Security Bureau cited mainland China's nationality laws to explain why consular visits to those prisoners with dual passports might be rejected. A spokesman for the British consulate said they were now "seeking answers from the Hong Kong authorities following the suggestion that they may withdraw our consular access to dual national prisoners and prevent us providing the support we have given since 1997." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob Plant said: As usual you have to resort to name calling because you have lost the argument, very telling! Do you consider amnesty international a purely Western organisation? Just for your info they have an office in Hong Kong so are well positioned to report what is going on where they are based!!! Amnesty reported upon the HONGKONG POLICE. I do not dispute the fact Amnesty reported upon the HK Police. YOU are the party who confuses the HK SAR with PRC and vice versa. Your attempts to conflate facts are feeble and moronic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, frankfurter said: Amnesty reported upon the HONGKONG POLICE. I do not dispute the fact Amnesty reported upon the HK Police. YOU are the party who confuses the HK SAR with PRC and vice versa. Your attempts to conflate facts are feeble and moronic. Nope see previous post Anyway this is pointless, your are sooooo biased that there's no point discussing it with you I can only assume you are a member of the CCP yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Rob Plant said: The Hong Kong police are accountable to the Security bureau which are a government organisation. Guess who the Hong Kong government report to???? The CCP "In January 2021, a proposal from the government was announced, where information of airline passengers would be shared with the Immigration Department and passengers could potentially be banned from flying. In response to criticism that it could lead to preventing Hong Kong citizens from leaving the city, the Security Bureau claimed that they would not be affected, and that this would only be for "passenger information on flights heading to Hong Kong, rather than departing flights. The right of Hong Kong residents to enter or leave Hong Kong is not affected." "In February 2021, after reports that the Security Bureau worked with the Correctional Services Department to force prisoners with dual passports to declare a sole nationality, the Security Bureau cited mainland China's nationality laws to explain why consular visits to those prisoners with dual passports might be rejected. A spokesman for the British consulate said they were now "seeking answers from the Hong Kong authorities following the suggestion that they may withdraw our consular access to dual national prisoners and prevent us providing the support we have given since 1997." Your post confirms your ignorance and moronic level of intelligence. "The right of Hong Kong residents to enter or leave Hong Kong is not affected." Negates completely your stance the PRC denies HK citizens of their fundamental rights. Clearly, you know nothing about international laws, nor of the Basic Law, nor of PRC laws. Again, you persist in confusing jurisdictions. So you support dual national criminals? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, frankfurter said: In response to criticism that it could lead to preventing Hong Kong citizens from leaving the city, This is about the average HK citizen being prevented from leaving the city!! Just because the Security bureau claim it wont doesnt exactly mean it wont happen does it?? Clearly the average citizen doesnt believe it either!! Are you really that naive or just plain ignorant to what is going on? Believe it or not prisoners do have human rights too, maybe not in your world though. Edited December 21, 2021 by Rob Plant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: This is about the average HK citizen being prevented from leaving the city!! Just because the Security bureau claim it wont doesnt exactly mean it wont happen does it?? Clearly the average citizen doesnt believe it either!! Are you really that naive or just plain ignorant to what is going on? Believe it or not prisoners do have human rights too, maybe not in your world though. I suggest you run, run, the sky is falling ! No ordinary HK resident has been prevented from leaving HK freely. Yet you persist to claim otherwise, with zero proof. People who deliberately change facts are demented. You persist in your warped views, so perhaps you are such a one? Truly, millions wish the HK and PRC COULD send all their criminals to the UK, where seemingly you are eager to receive them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Nope see previous post Anyway this is pointless, your are sooooo biased that there's no point discussing it with you I can only assume you are a member of the CCP yourself. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/hong-kong-arbitrary-arrests-brutal-beatings-and-torture-in-police-detention-revealed/ "A new Amnesty International field investigation has documented an alarming pattern of the Hong Kong Police Force deploying reckless and indiscriminate tactics, including while arresting people at protests, as well as exclusive evidence of torture and other ill-treatment in detention." You are soooooooooooooooooooooooooo f!@#$%g ignorant, biased, bigoted, hysterical you cannot see what is black and white before you. Were the HK police tough on protestors? Likely in some cases: but not all, as Amnesty confirms. In fact, the cases were but a few in number, per Amnesty. Did Amnesty investigate, or did A report hearsay? Answer; hearsay. Is hearsay admissible as evidence in any court of law anywhere? No. Were the HK police provoked? My sources tell me in all cases. Did Amnesty bother to hear the police-side to the story? No. Had the HK police acted differently to any other police force in any other country? No. Were the PRC police involved? NO. bro, you need help. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,601 RP December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, frankfurter said: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/hong-kong-arbitrary-arrests-brutal-beatings-and-torture-in-police-detention-revealed/ "A new Amnesty International field investigation has documented an alarming pattern of the Hong Kong Police Force deploying reckless and indiscriminate tactics, including while arresting people at protests, as well as exclusive evidence of torture and other ill-treatment in detention." You are soooooooooooooooooooooooooo f!@#$%g ignorant, biased, bigoted, hysterical you cannot see what is black and white before you. Were the HK police tough on protestors? Likely in some cases: but not all, as Amnesty confirms. In fact, the cases were but a few in number, per Amnesty. Did Amnesty investigate, or did A report hearsay? Answer; hearsay. Is hearsay admissible as evidence in any court of law anywhere? No. Were the HK police provoked? My sources tell me in all cases. Did Amnesty bother to hear the police-side to the story? No. Had the HK police acted differently to any other police force in any other country? No. Were the PRC police involved? NO. bro, you need help. So your whole argument is you believe that amnesty and practically every media in the word reported hearsay! Wow how utterly deluded you are! So the video of a 12 year old girl being thrown to the floor by 2 policemen is acceptable to you, people shot and beaten regularly is hearsay. Wow wow wow What is damning is that you try to defend these actions! shame on you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hotone + 412 December 21, 2021 (edited) https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211219-two-chinese-firms-to-build-1-000-schools-in-iraq China demonstrates aggression and the evil nature of its Communist regime by building thousands of schools in Iraq. America demonstrates its Christian love and goodness, and superior values of rule of law and democracy by bombing and killing millions of Muslims, and lying to the world about Iraqi WMD. I really can't stand the two faced hypocrisy. Edited December 21, 2021 by Hotone 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 20 hours ago, Tom Nolan said: Americans and much of Europe are silly stupid. China is condemned as an Authoritarian State which monitors the population through their phones and facial recognition. The population is tracked and their ability to participate in the economy is tied to their phone ID. Yet, the western world is voluntarily trying to become like China. All online data in the western world for each individual is being harvested on each individual. The Vaccine Passports are the deceptive step towards implementing the same social control which China has on its population. It is beyond me that most people do not recognize that we are rapidly headed towards the same totalitarian status as China. fact: vaccine passport are the invention of western governments. PRC has no such passports. fact: forced vaccination is done in the west. PRC has no forced vaccination program. You are not heading towards a totalitarian state: you have arrived at such a one. ALL the surveillance and info gathering methods deployed in China today were invented by Americans and deployed in America at least a decade before China adopted such methods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff December 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: So your whole argument is you believe that amnesty and practically every media in the word reported hearsay! Wow how utterly deluded you are! So the video of a 12 year old girl being thrown to the floor by 2 policemen is acceptable to you, people shot and beaten regularly is hearsay. Wow wow wow What is damning is that you try to defend these actions! shame on you! Impossible to converse with a moron. Your attempts to distort facts are shameful, feeble, and ignorant. I never wrote I supported the HK police brutailty. You are too much of an as!@#$%^ to waste a response. But,,, I wrote YOU are entirely warped to say the PRC police were involved, and the brutality was meted out by PRC people. Yours lies are reprehensible. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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