Will Variants and Ill-Health Continue to Plague Economic Outlooks?

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No, it doesn't. British hospitals are overwhelmed because they have very few bed and ICUs. It is specifically a British thing, no an affordable medicine thing in general. Take a look

This is true we have a finite number of beds as do every single country on the planet.

The UK has the national health service where this is funded by every tax payer, unfortunately it has become the international health service over the last 30 years as all you need to do is fly into the country and turn up at a hospital and you get treated for £0. Many from other countries especially commonwealth countries use this for operations that they just couldnt afford in their own country.

That being said during the whole of the pandemic the NHS (national health service) has never been overwhelmed unlike other countries such as Italy or India for example with people lying on corridor floors. in fact we built many "nightingale" hospitals in record time to prevent this from potentially happening but actually out of 7 only 1 in London was ever used and they have now all been decomissioned. China also had to respond quickly building new hospitals in record time. The problem we have in the UK is recruiting NHS professional not beds as salaries are higher in other countries.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

9 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

There's a reason Britain's hospitals were overwhelmed. "cheap and affordable" means "you're going to die" when it comes to healthcare. 

no they were never overwhelmed in fact we had loads of excess capacity in 7 nightingale hospitals where only 1 in London was ever used.

Also our healthcare isnt "cheap and affordable" its free!

Please get your facts right

All of those 7 hospitals have been decommissioned now as there is no need for them.

Edited January 21, 2022 by Rob Plant

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

12 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Then they are lying to you and can do so because of your willful ignorance of their religion who tells them to lie and murder the Kafir(unbeliever)

There are many forms of Islam, lumping them all together is ignorant.

Wahhabism to my mind is the most extreme and concerning as they do advocate that anyone who doesnt practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. So that includes ALL other forms of Islam as well. You will find most terror attacks are carried out by this form of Islamist beiever as its the most extreme viewpoint.

Dont tarnish all muslims with the same brush.

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No, it doesn't. British hospitals are overwhelmed because they have very few bed and ICUs. It is specifically a British thing, no an affordable medicine thing in general. Take a look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds#Data

In this rating, US is doing very well, but Turkey and Germany do even better. Both are into affordable healthcare. As is pretty much everybody outside of US. Another random chart with European nations. All subside healthcare. You should able to see that there is not even a clear correlation between how rich a country is and how good the coverage. If anything, the former Commies in the East are in the lead. This is because the Commies had a systematic approach to dealing with pandemics as national emergencies, in coordinated and interdisciplinary fashion. They were drills. You can see how it works in China for example. There are probably still people in the East who remember a thing or two.

Nothing like that in the civilized West, everybody does their own thing. Now, having a specifically excellent and expensive healthcare institution here and there does not a national medical emergency system make! It is obviously especially pointless to try to cure select few of an infectious disease. They'll just get infected again.

Again lies lies and damn statistics

You could try this from 2020 which paints a different picture

https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

Russia seems to have had quite a reduction in hospital beds over the last 12 years or so until the pandemic hit

https://www.statista.com/statistics/912172/density-of-hospital-beds-in-russia/

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

This is true we have a finite number of beds as do every single country on the planet.

The UK has the national health service where this is funded by every tax payer, unfortunately it has become the international health service over the last 30 years as all you need to do is fly into the country and turn up at a hospital and you get treated for £0. Many from other countries especially commonwealth countries use this for operations that they just couldnt afford in their own country.

That being said during the whole of the pandemic the NHS (national health service) has never been overwhelmed unlike other countries such as Italy or India for example with people lying on corridor floors. in fact we built many "nightingale" hospitals in record time to prevent this from potentially happening but actually out of 7 only 1 in London was ever used and they have now all been decomissioned. China also had to respond quickly building new hospitals in record time. The problem we have in the UK is recruiting NHS professional not beds as salaries are higher in other countries.

My understanding is that they will treat you for £0 in theory, In practice, you will have to wait indefinitely. Alas, I have no real opinion on your NHS. Never had the pleasure.

What I do find delightful is that it turns out there is a whole cottage industry of aspiring NGOs ranking countries based on the level of their preparedness to medical emergencies. Like this one

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Turns out, you are very respectable #7 most prepared to medical emergencies country ever. USA, of course, bestest best (it is their NGO, not yours) The Chinese are #52 and, right behind them, o horror, the #53 Israeli. This got to be antisemitism. Got to switch them around.

Edited January 21, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

21 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Russia seems to have had quite a reduction in hospital beds over the last 12 years or so until the pandemic hit

https://www.statista.com/statistics/912172/density-of-hospital-beds-in-russia/

Sorry, it tries to stick me up for premium account. According to this other source, it is so

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS?locations=RU

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

7 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

My understanding is that they will treat you for £0 in theory, In practice, you will have to wait indefinitely. Alas, I have no real opinion on you NHS. Never had the pleasure.

What I do find delightful is that it turns out there is a whole cottage industry of aspiring NGOs ranking countries based on the level of their preparedness to medical emergencies. Like this one

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Turns out, you are very respectable #7 most prepared to medical emergencies country ever. USA, of course, bestest best (it is their NGO, not yours) The Chinese are #52 and, right behind them, o horror, the #53 Israeli. This got to be antisemitism. Got to switch them around.

Yep at present we have a massive backlog with anything other than Covid cases including cancer and heart patients, not sure how other countries are faring regarding this??? Obviously this is down to Covid causing a backlog but the backlog is with the lack of NHS staff and poor recruitment, also our NHS staff are paid a pittance which is a disgrace so we train staff up who then leave to go into private nursing/care or move abroad for twice the salary.

How is Austria coping? and also Russia?? Its a major problem in the UK right now.

Having said that it seems our government is basically telling us by March we need to treat Covid and specifically Omicron like a common cold which means no isolation period. I think this will help a lot going forward and we can start to catch up.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

31 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Russia seems to have had quite a reduction in hospital beds over the last 12 years or so until the pandemic hit

https://www.statista.com/statistics/912172/density-of-hospital-beds-in-russia/

Aha, an official pundit emerges. Turns out, there were only there for the free drugs!

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2013/09/24/vasiliy-vlassov-the-russian-government-tries-to-reduce-hospitalisation-rates/

[Rob Plant + 2,756]

1 minute ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Aha, an official pundit emerges. Turns out, there were only there for the free drugs!

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2013/09/24/vasiliy-vlassov-the-russian-government-tries-to-reduce-hospitalisation-rates/

Haha who can argue with that!

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

1 minute ago, Rob Plant said:

Yep at present we have a massive backlog with anything other than Covid cases including cancer and heart patients, not sure how other countries are faring regarding this??? Obviously this is down to Covid causing a backlog but the backlog is with the lack of NHS staff and poor recruitment, also our NHS staff are paid a pittance which is a disgrace so we train staff up who then leave to go into private nursing/care or move abroad for twice the salary.

How is Austria coping? and also Russia?? Its a major problem in the UK right now.

Having said that it seems our government is basically telling us by March we need to treat Covid and specifically Omicron like a common cold which means no isolation period. I think this will help a lot going forward and we can start to catch up.

Austria appears to be much overrated externally. We are supposedly top notch all of a sudden.  In Russia, there wasn't really much in a way of any kind of mandating anything and nobody was protesting either. So, it is almost as if nothing at all is going on anymore. Whether it is good or bad remains TBD.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

44 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Again lies lies and damn statistics

You could try this from 2020 which paints a different picture

https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

It is actually quite similar, considering that it is OECD only. What counts as ICU fit for infectious diseases varies a lot.

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194]

23 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Patent protection for a medicine discovered by somebody else? Like Gilead becoming a $86bln company patenting a Czech invention published free of charge, as peer-reviewed research. This should be a clear case of "prior art", invalidating the patent

EU countries seem to follow a semi-generic model of sorts. They pay a price somewhere in-between research-free generics and arbitrarily high ask of a sole provider. Good half of the pharma industry is not based in USA, but Switzerland. They got patents too

Some doctors are willing to engage the patient in shop talk, some not at all. IMHO, the government monopoly on dope has to go. Ultimately, I decide what I inject and why. No recipes, no chemical is illegal.

Some of the Russian garbage does stick. All you have to do tell bigger lies more often and some of it will stick. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Hitler's_description

ANYONE can patent in the USA and this has been true for going on 150 years now and true across the ocean as well.  Part of many treaties on trade.  Gilead patented their product in the USA just as they did in their home country and therefore have rights on distribution, production, and pricing.  That is how international patents work. 

EU countries steal patent rights on Pharmaceuticals...   How Socialism works.  Or should I say Nationalism.  Or should I say Nationalist Socialist countries work. 

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194]

20 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

There are many forms of Islam, lumping them all together is ignorant.

Wahhabism to my mind is the most extreme and concerning as they do advocate that anyone who doesnt practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. So that includes ALL other forms of Islam as well. You will find most terror attacks are carried out by this form of Islamist beiever as its the most extreme viewpoint.

Dont tarnish all muslims with the same brush.

Most people have NO CLUE what their religion dogma is.  Most humanity does not want to think as that would require them to evaluate right/wrong and make changes in their life.  They just follow societal motions to "get along".  How humanity works. 

DO they follow Mohammad or not?  If they do, they will act like Mohammad, lie, steal, rape, murder, impose upon others turning them into 2nd class citizens at best while preaching peace and follow his other teachings and actions.  If culturally "Muslim, they are Not of the Muslim religion, as they will not follow Mohammad's example.  These people are NOT Muslims even if they claim they are.  Pretty damned simple.  When the Catholic priests ruled Europe, were the people Christian?  No.  It was just another form of government control.  When people left the Catholic faith or their country got out from under the Papacy's thumb did they keep their culture?  Yes.  Doesn't make them Catholic even though the majority of the populace probably still said they were even though they never were to begin with. 

Go to Mexico... they will claim they are Catholic, but if you observe the populace's action and talk to them, they aren't. 

 

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/over-1-million-deaths-and-injuries-following-covid-vaccines-reported-in-vaers-as-second-year-of-experimental-use-authorization-begins/

Over 1 Million Deaths and Injuries Following COVID “Vaccines” Reported in VAERS as Second Year of “Experimental Use Authorization” Begins

The deaths and injuries following the experimental COVID-19 “vaccines” continue at an unprecedented rate as we now enter the second year of their “emergency use authorization.”

The U.S. Government updated their Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database today, and there have now been 1,053,830 cases of deaths and injuries reported to VAERS following COVID-19 experimental vaccines since they were given emergency use authorization in December of 2020. (Source.)

By way of contrast, there have been 914,393 cases of deaths and injuries reported to VAERS following all FDA-approved vaccines since VAERS started in 1990, through the end of November, 2020, the last month before the COVID-19 vaccines were authorized for emergency use. (Source.)

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/37927-deaths-and-3392632-injuries-following-covid-shots-in-european-database-as-young-people-continue-to-die/

37,927 Deaths and 3,392,632 Injuries Following COVID Shots in European Database as Young People Continue to Die

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/up-to-65-increase-in-deaths-among-18-49-year-olds-in-the-u-s-during-2021-the-year-of-the-experimental-covid-vaccines/

[Michael Sanches + 187]

On 12/8/2021 at 5:10 PM, Tom Nolan said:

My business is my castle

don't care if it is your hassle.

Business is private in USA

Follow my rules or I blow you away.

If property is private makes you see red,

I'll come to your house and shit on your bed.

Your freedoms stop at my door

Take one step in and die on my floor.

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

4 hours ago, Tom Nolan said:

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/over-1-million-deaths-and-injuries-following-covid-vaccines-reported-in-vaers-as-second-year-of-experimental-use-authorization-begins/

Over 1 Million Deaths and Injuries Following COVID “Vaccines” Reported in VAERS as Second Year of “Experimental Use Authorization” Begins

The deaths and injuries following the experimental COVID-19 “vaccines” continue at an unprecedented rate as we now enter the second year of their “emergency use authorization.”

The U.S. Government updated their Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database today, and there have now been 1,053,830 cases of deaths and injuries reported to VAERS following COVID-19 experimental vaccines since they were given emergency use authorization in December of 2020. (Source.)

By way of contrast, there have been 914,393 cases of deaths and injuries reported to VAERS following all FDA-approved vaccines since VAERS started in 1990, through the end of November, 2020, the last month before the COVID-19 vaccines were authorized for emergency use. (Source.)

Look at your own numbers... 43.9% "not serious."  Many others are just listed as "[seen by doctor]" - big deal.

 

Now look at the number of US covid deaths for comparison..... 889,192.

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by TailingsPond

[surrept33 + 612]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00104-8

The pandemic’s true death toll: millions more than official counts

Countries have reported some five million COVID-19 deaths in two years, but global excess deaths are estimated at double or even quadruple that figure.

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,194]

On 1/23/2022 at 3:07 PM, TailingsPond said:

Look at your own numbers... 43.9% "not serious."  Many others are just listed as "[seen by doctor]" - big deal.

 

Now look at the number of US covid deaths for comparison..... 889,192.

 

And... are those excess deaths?  No. 

Are they all Old people and a few younger with massive number of comobidities at deaths door?  Yes. 

So, the sick, morbidly obese, and old age dying are... dying... Ok

Guess there really is nothing guaranteed other than death and taxes. 

[TailingsPond + 1,013]

27 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

And... are those excess deaths?  No. 

Are they all Old people and a few younger with massive number of comobidities at deaths door?  Yes. 

So, the sick, morbidly obese, and old age dying are... dying... Ok

Guess there really is nothing guaranteed other than death and taxes. 

Note that the vaccines are given to the old and sick first; so the same argument ("they were dying anyways") can be used for the vaccine deaths. A generally mild vaccine reaction might be enough to kill someone who is already very frail.

 

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

Omicron "suddenly appears" and is out-of-natural-evolutionary sequence.

I don't expect most people to grasp the implications from this graph, but it tells a story. 

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

https://community.oilprice.com/topic/25400-covid-19-a-second-opinion-panel-of-experts-held-by-senator-ron-johnson-on-monday-january-24th-in-washington-dc-evidence-of-criminal-us-government-activity-is-unimpeachable/

 

[Tom Nolan + 2,443]

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/government-vaers-data-reveal-15600-increase-in-heart-disease-among-under-30-year-olds-following-covid-19-vaccination/

Government VAERS Data Reveal 15,600% Increase in Heart Disease Among Under 30 Year-Olds Following COVID-19 Vaccination

The U.S. Government’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) released more data into the database maintained by the CDC and FDA today, and there are now 1,071,856 reports of deaths and injuries following COVID-19 “vaccines.” (Source.)

Also note the many Covid cases who were vaccinated