Jay McKinsey + 1,490 February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, El Gato said: No, they all can't. the B-1 is stripped out of the electronics Ok, you are correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, El Gato said: IRST (infrared Search and Track) systems, that aircraft have had in one form or another since the 60's. New aircraft have 360 degree IRST and search at long ranges. Better than Radar, as the opponent has no clue you are tracking them if you find them. Still doesn't prove that the Russians can catch a B-2 with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: I said all bombers, you know, the planes that start with a B. All US bombers are capable of delivering nuclear weapons. Jay Mck Biden can't help himself. Upped the anti today. B1 bombers to Norway. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9238697/Biden-deploys-four-B-1-bombers-Norway-message-Putin.html The guys nuts . . . grab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 609 st February 18, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said: This is not to mention funding of Black movement, homosexuals and other groups within USA itself. I know, right? It's no secret that Putin enjoys grappling with men. I don’t hold that against him. Edited February 18, 2022 by surrept33 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 February 18, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bobo88 said: Jay Mck Biden can't help himself. Upped the anti today. B1 bombers to Norway. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9238697/Biden-deploys-four-B-1-bombers-Norway-message-Putin.html The guys nuts . . . grab You still haven't provided a link to prove that the US announced "nuclear capable" bombers were being sent to the UK. We know the B-52s are nuclear capable but the government never mentioned it in the deployment press release as you claimed. And as has just been pointed out to me the B-1 is not nuclear capable. So Putin can deploy his military but we can't? Good: Biden has made it clear that he plans to take a much harder stand against Russia than his predecessor, President Donald Trump 'The days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russia's aggressive actions ...are over,' Biden said Thursday in a speech at the State Department Edited February 18, 2022 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Gato + 254 Bs February 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Boat said: Putin was not the political mastermind and Pops Biden is shoving his face in it. Nope. Biden needs a war to distract the country from the miserable job he is doing at home with the economy, shortages, high gas prices and bad handling of covid, oh and the poorest poll numbers since Cooledge 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Gato + 254 Bs February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said: Still doesn't prove that the Russians can catch a B-2 with it. This is how good ours is. The Russian one won't be far off. Other Aircraft have this IRST system also. As it says in the article, this is 2011 tech AN/AAQ-37 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigation Jump to search Two AN/AAQ-37 sensors just below the canopy, above the nose. Below the nose, the electro-optical targeting system The AN/AAQ-37 Electro-optical Distributed Aperture System (DAS) is the first of a new generation of sensor systems being fielded on the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. DAS consists of six high-resolution infrared sensors mounted around the F-35's airframe in such a way as to provide unobstructed spherical (4π steradian) coverage and functions around the aircraft without any pilot input or aiming required.[1] The DAS provides three basic categories of functions in every direction simultaneously:[2] Missile detection and tracking (including launch point detection and countermeasure cueing)[3] Aircraft detection and tracking (situational awareness IRST and air-to-air weapons cueing) Imagery for cockpit displays and pilot night vision (imagery displayed onto the helmet mounted display) The F-35's DAS was flown in military operational exercises in 2011,[4] has demonstrated the ability to detect and track ballistic missiles to ranges exceeding 800 miles (1,300 km),[5] and has also demonstrated the ability to detect and track multiple small suborbital rockets simultaneously in flight.[6] The AN/AAQ-37 DAS is designed and produced by Northrop Grumman. The current sensors used in the system may have insufficient night acuity for pilots used to flying with night vision goggles (NVG), and are therefore augmented by an embedded NVG camera in the helmet.[7] A DAS test system has also been used to track tank gun firing, but this is "not an F-35 requirement".[8] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, El Gato said: This is how good ours is. The Russian one won't be far off. Other Aircraft have this IRST system also. As it says in the article, this is 2011 tech AN/AAQ-37 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigation Jump to search Two AN/AAQ-37 sensors just below the canopy, above the nose. Below the nose, the electro-optical targeting system The AN/AAQ-37 Electro-optical Distributed Aperture System (DAS) is the first of a new generation of sensor systems being fielded on the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. DAS consists of six high-resolution infrared sensors mounted around the F-35's airframe in such a way as to provide unobstructed spherical (4π steradian) coverage and functions around the aircraft without any pilot input or aiming required.[1] The DAS provides three basic categories of functions in every direction simultaneously:[2] Missile detection and tracking (including launch point detection and countermeasure cueing)[3] Aircraft detection and tracking (situational awareness IRST and air-to-air weapons cueing) Imagery for cockpit displays and pilot night vision (imagery displayed onto the helmet mounted display) The F-35's DAS was flown in military operational exercises in 2011,[4] has demonstrated the ability to detect and track ballistic missiles to ranges exceeding 800 miles (1,300 km),[5] and has also demonstrated the ability to detect and track multiple small suborbital rockets simultaneously in flight.[6] The AN/AAQ-37 DAS is designed and produced by Northrop Grumman. The current sensors used in the system may have insufficient night acuity for pilots used to flying with night vision goggles (NVG), and are therefore augmented by an embedded NVG camera in the helmet.[7] A DAS test system has also been used to track tank gun firing, but this is "not an F-35 requirement".[8] Still gives no reason to believe that it can easily acquire a B-2. Missiles have a huge heat plume coming out the back and tank guns out the front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Gato + 254 Bs February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said: You still haven't provided a link to prove that the US announced "nuclear capable" bombers were being sent to the UK. We know the B-52s are nuclear capable but the government never mentioned it in the deployment press release as you claimed. And as has just been pointed out to me the B-1 is not nuclear capable. So Putin can deploy his military but we can't? Good: Biden has made it clear that he plans to take a much harder stand against Russia than his predecessor, President Donald Trump 'The days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russia's aggressive actions ...are over,' Biden said Thursday in a speech at the State Department Can't verify the B-1s to Norway either. The Daily Mail just quoted CNN, who made the claim, and we know how unreliable they are anymore. Between bad reporting, sex scandals, and masturbating on zoom, the quality is long gone there 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Would you check the distance between Alaska and Yamal first? Russian supersonic bombers will be there first. Actually got standoff weapons which cover this whole distance, too. Unlike you. All of which remains a theory, because you've got but a single suitable airstrip in all of Alaska. Alaska has two airfields and oil has dwindled down to 25% of pipeline capacity,10% of the Permian Basin in New Mexico and Texas. .Yamal has oil/gas reserves and a comparable strike would be the Permian that you would need fly another 9000 km to get there. Your TU-160's are 2000km short on fuel in a one way kamikaze run even refueling over Alaska and throttling back to 580mph over Canada and the US. That is easy pickings even for our Obsolete F106 if they got past the Canadian F-18E. Tu 22 can't hope to even reach Alaska much less New Mexico or Texas. Second El Gato, The B-1B electronics is now Block F which means it has the newest electronics package in the AF; just like Air Force 1 and newer than the B-2. 3 hours ago, El Gato said: No, they all can't. the B-1 is stripped out of the electronics Where did you get this piece of bone headed stupidity. Yes the B1-B were gutted and Block C electronics removed but that was in rotation completed in 2019. All are flying Block F electronics. You need a subscription to Air Force mag. Infra Red Detection range varies with external factors such as clouds altitude air temperature target's attitude target's speed The higher the altitude, the less dense the atmosphere and the less infrared radiation it absorbs - especially at longer wavelengths. The effect of reduction in friction between air and aircraft does not compensate the better transmission of infrared radiation. Therefore, infrared detection ranges are longer at high altitudes. And worthless against Nape of the earth. Unless you have a plane at altitude carrying look down shoot down radar and with flashing neon signs saying shoot me down, you are not going to be able to spot aircraft flying NAE with a plane carrying IRST. Its life expectancy can be measured with a stop watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Starschy said: One of the West misconception is that Tanks would be involved. Chances are higher for TOS1A and Uragan Systems. Both have heavy and intense firepower and clean up in a 400 by 400 m roughly a few Soccer fields everything down. They shoot 16 rockets in 20 Seconds. Range is 4 km up to 90 km most in a 25 km range. Never hears of the MLRS them We have dealt with both and they are very vulnerable to cluster bombs and missiles with cluster bomb warheads. that means they have o hide with the fuel Trucks. ATTACMS can reach them while being out of range themselves. You ought to watch the movies of Desert Storm and the MLRS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 21 hours ago, Starschy said: The Colonial pipeline closed for a Week Microsoft. Solarwinds Hacks was undetected for Months multiple US Government Agencies Products from Microsoft over 30000 Workstations involved. As you said Microsoft Microsoft software. I told you previously the Nippper Net does not use Microsoft products or Apple for that matter. It is RISC based not CISC. False equivalency. DOD ONLY ALLOWS MS ON THE PUBLIC INFORMATION NET. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 16 hours ago, Rob Plant said: You obviously didnt read the article! "One common defense which sometimes does reinforce top armor is explosive-reactive armor (ERA), a layer of explosive bricks covering a tank intended to prematurely detonate the shaped charges used by missiles. However, the Javelin has a tandem charge warhead designed to defeat ERA using a ‘precursor’ charge at the front of the warhead to take out the local ERA brick, blasting open a gap through which the main warhead can hit the tank’s conventional armor." I wouldnt fancy being in that Russian tank much! Might get a bit hot! Far worse in a fuel truck; they explode and burn. As we learned in Iraq in 2003 , if you wipe out a fuel convoy, your tanks are sitting ducks until another convoy arrives safely. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 23 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said: Why do you think Russia won't flatten Ukraine and destroy any possible centres of resistance before invading? Moreover, you are forgetting that Russia can also arm Venezuela, Mexico, Brazil and cause problems in USA backyard. This is not to mention funding of Black movement, homosexuals and other groups within USA itself. Russian economy is very sound with surplus exports and a huge reserves of foreign exchange. Beautiful dreamer waken to Reality. You have unified the US population on one thing just like Pearl Harbor. Mexico would not do anything since NAFTA has magnified the value of Maquiladoras as jobs for every one. Venezuela and Brazil have their own internal problems Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 18, 2022 3 hours ago, El Gato said: Nope. Biden needs a war to distract the country from the miserable job he is doing at home with the economy, shortages, high gas prices and bad handling of covid, oh and the poorest poll numbers since Cooledge Ignorance strikes again. You don't know the order of presidents. Hoover still stands as the all time low in the 20's. In my life time Truman , Johnson , Nixon and Carter and W bush and Chump have all been much lower. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrept33 + 609 st February 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, nsdp said: Alaska has two airfields and oil has dwindled down to 25% of pipeline capacity,10% of the Permian Basin in New Mexico and Texas. .Yamal has oil/gas reserves and a comparable strike would be the Permian that you would need fly another 9000 km to get there. Your TU-160's are 2000km short on fuel in a one way kamikaze run even refueling over Alaska and throttling back to 580mph over Canada and the US. That is easy pickings even for our Obsolete F106 if they got past the Canadian F-18E. Tu 22 can't hope to even reach Alaska much less New Mexico or Texas. Speaking of the arctic, Russia has been trying to bully Norway recently about the 100 year old Svalbard Treaty. With the Arctic rapidly warming up, the islands are extremely strategic to Russia. Russia seems to be doing a full court press in rearming the arctic; China too claimed recently they are an a "near-arctic" country, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 February 18, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 8:36 AM, bobo88 said: Great plan if you want to start World War III and cut off oil and gas flow from Russia to Europe creating Super Economic Depression that is worse than anything Europe has ever seen. Sounds like a plan. Let's go for it. Ukraine is a corrupt nation that has paid BIDEN family millions and squashed an investigation into Hunter. Europe could care less if Putin takes the pro Russian oblasts in the eastern Ukraine. If Europe doesn't care why should I.S. ? This is not 1980. Your Democrat Party is living in the past. There is an economic war going on and the U.S. is losing. Big time. I have to hand it to you the U.S. is the most "Woke" country with a very "woke" military. LOL. Biden administration didn't care either until that knucklehead said on National TV that " . . . a minor incursion was acceptable, then we decide what to do" Why is your U.S wasting time on Ukraine. Ukraine is a corrupt country that is one step up from a third world country. Is it a diversion from this current administration first year Presidency. Reminds me of Clinton in 1998 when he blew up a baby formula and malaria drug factory with 14 Minuteman missiles (did he really need 14) to distract from his troubles. Now Biden positions nuclear capable bombers in Britain. Really ? The guy is nuts. NATO gets involved. Stupid . Japan does just fine buying LNG and coal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, nsdp said: Alaska has two airfields and oil has dwindled down to 25% of pipeline capacity,10% of the Permian Basin in New Mexico and Texas. .Yamal has oil/gas reserves and a comparable strike would be the Permian that you would need fly another 9000 km to get there. Your TU-160's are 2000km short on fuel in a one way kamikaze run even refueling over Alaska and throttling back to 580mph over Canada and the US. That is easy pickings even for our Obsolete F106 if they got past the Canadian F-18E. Tu 22 can't hope to even reach Alaska much less New Mexico or Texas. Second El Gato, The B-1B electronics is now Block F which means it has the newest electronics package in the AF; just like Air Force 1 and newer than the B-2. Where did you get this piece of bone headed stupidity. Yes the B1-B were gutted and Block C electronics removed but that was in rotation completed in 2019. All are flying Block F electronics. You need a subscription to Air Force mag. Infra Red Detection range varies with external factors such as clouds altitude air temperature target's attitude target's speed The higher the altitude, the less dense the atmosphere and the less infrared radiation it absorbs - especially at longer wavelengths. The effect of reduction in friction between air and aircraft does not compensate the better transmission of infrared radiation. Therefore, infrared detection ranges are longer at high altitudes. And worthless against Nape of the earth. Unless you have a plane at altitude carrying look down shoot down radar and with flashing neon signs saying shoot me down, you are not going to be able to spot aircraft flying NAE with a plane carrying IRST. Its life expectancy can be measured with a stop watch. Just one airstrip suitable for bombers and large transport planes. Which is less than what Russia got in Chukotka right next to Alaska and elsewhere much closer than Yamal. Tu-160s and Tu-95s fire missiles with 5500km standoff range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, ronwagn said: Japan does just fine buying LNG and coal. Japan does not. The only country in the Far East whose per capita energy use is in decline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, nsdp said: Never hears of the MLRS them We have dealt with both and they are very vulnerable to cluster bombs and missiles with cluster bomb warheads. that means they have o hide with the fuel Trucks. ATTACMS can reach them while being out of range themselves. You ought to watch the movies of Desert Storm and the MLRS. US is not much of an MLRS user. Just compare the numbers of ATTACMS and Russian kit deployed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kshithij Sharma + 78 February 18, 2022 4 hours ago, nsdp said: Beautiful dreamer waken to Reality. You have unified the US population on one thing just like Pearl Harbor. Mexico would not do anything since NAFTA has magnified the value of Maquiladoras as jobs for every one. Venezuela and Brazil have their own internal problems USA got involved in WW2 much before pearl harbour in terms of assisting UK against Germany. Also, in WW1 there was no pearl harbour and yet USA intervened. So, there is very little to suggest that "united American" population has anything to do with anything. USA simply has the highest amount of oil production which is keeping its economy afloat. Even WW1 & WW2 were won because of enormous oil powered war machinery from USA. Without oil driven economy, USA is a big zero. Yes, Mexico won't go against USA due to NAFTA and other benefits. But there are still many countries like Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela who have a strong anti-USA sentiment and whose main source of problem also arises from USA. Venezuela is already making the rounds to Russia, China, India, Middle east etc rallying support against USA sanctions. GCC even refused to allow USA to impose financial/secondary sanctions against Venezuela. Venezuela also armed its people to create a militia force in case of USA invasion. So, there are a lot many options for Russia to arm USA neighbours. 3 hours ago, surrept33 said: Speaking of the arctic, Russia has been trying to bully Norway recently about the 100 year old Svalbard Treaty. With the Arctic rapidly warming up, the islands are extremely strategic to Russia. Russia seems to be doing a full court press in rearming the arctic; China too claimed recently they are an a "near-arctic" country, Rapidly warming up? Are you serious? Do you have any ground data to suggest this? Don't talk about some glaciers breaking off as that is a normal phenomena to maintain balance. As more snow gets deposited, they become heavy and extend to non polar warm regions, leading to some parts of the snow/glacier to break off. If no glaciers broke off in last 1000 years, then the glaciers would have been covering most of the sea water by now, leading to massive shortage of rain and fresh water supply to land. Nothing exists to give any basis for rapidly warming up of arctic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: I know stealth does not provide complete invisibility but you seem to think that it is easy to find and target a B-2. Then you have to think about his F-22 buddies. How is that Russian stealth plane going? The Su-57? It is doing very well, thank you. The F-22 does not have the range for the mission and is getting phased out by 2030 anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 18, 2022 9 hours ago, El Gato said: IRST (infrared Search and Track) systems, that aircraft have had in one form or another since the 60's. New aircraft have 360 degree IRST and search at long ranges. Better than Radar, as the opponent has no clue you are tracking them if you find them. IRST is only good for some 40km. Radar has significantly more range, even against stealth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 February 18, 2022 5 hours ago, nsdp said: As you said Microsoft Microsoft software. I told you previously the Nippper Net does not use Microsoft products or Apple for that matter. It is RISC based not CISC. False equivalency. DOD ONLY ALLOWS MS ON THE PUBLIC INFORMATION NET. What does RISC vs CISC have to do with security? Incidentally, is 64-bit Intel (really AMD) RISC, and so is the latest Apple (is an ARM) If you shoot for an inherently secure machines, you need https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_architecture Out of extant architectures, only the Russian Elbrus supports this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 18, 2022 (edited) On 2/17/2022 at 7:41 PM, Jay McKinsey said: You still haven't provided a link to prove that the US announced "nuclear capable" bombers were being sent to the UK. We know the B-52s are nuclear capable but the government never mentioned it in the deployment press release as you claimed. And as has just been pointed out to me the B-1 is not nuclear capable. So Putin can deploy his military but we can't? Good: Biden has made it clear that he plans to take a much harder stand against Russia than his predecessor, President Donald Trump 'The days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russia's aggressive actions ...are over,' Biden said Thursday in a speech at the State Department Biden is one tough dude. Putin must be shaking in his boots. Joe will go down in history as the leader that saved the West. . . . . and responsible for getting 13 U.S. soldiers killed during the his disastrous ill planned retreat from Afghanistan. After Joe bombs the Russians into submission he should have Milley and Austin force the Russian soldiers to take classes in Critical Race Theory (CRT). If the Russians were woke this little skirmish would never have happened. Re nuclear deployment there is an app called Google. It's easy to use. Look it up. Also, look up Putin's response. Let's just pray Dr.Jill makes sure Joe gets his naps. It is going to be a crazy couple of weeks. Where did Jill get her Doctorate ? Georgetown ? John Hopkins ? U Penn ? Oh , a Community College. She's not a medical doctor ? Stupid me. Bombs away ! ! ! Doesn't Putin know how Joe stood up to Corn Pop. Putin doesn't know Joe is a mean f'n dude. Biden is dangerous. Letting Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan run U.S. Security is even more dangerous. Edited February 19, 2022 by bobo88 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites