nsdp + 449 eh February 22, 2022 14 hours ago, frankfurter said: direct quotation verbatim... The Transit Contract DID NOT CONTAIN what is typically referred to as a ‘ship-or-pay’, or ‘send-or-pay’, provision (essentially, a provision providing for payments based on reservation of capacity); Naftogaz proposed such a clause as part of contract negotiations, but Gazprom rejected it. However, the Transit Contract did contain a general liability provision: Article 10.1 required one party that failed to perform any of its obligations under the Transit Contract to “reimburse the other party for any proven damages caused by such failure to perform”. uh, another proof drugged-up dumbed-down Amurcuns cannot read. For you morons, this was a case about damages, not enforcement to send product. Yet, you present this as a send-or-pay example? Moron. You have never heard of specific performance as choice of remedy. Arb agreement gets to court it is the plaintiff's choice to ask for specific performance. Excuse for nonperformance is only under a Force Majure clause. which the arbiters failed to address since this is willful misconduct. Unless Gaz Prom can prove that matters beyond its control are the reason for nonperformance, then send or parememdiesy is irrelevant when there is intentional nonperformance. I have been down this road before. Buyer has an election of damages or specific performance. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/777/554/117582/ The election of remedies under equity says the Arbs screwed up. Equity bars the arb result under clean hands doctrine. Frankfurter are you a top graduate from the Donald Trump School of law? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, notsonice said: You might not like capitilism.......It will fill the gap without anyone having to suck up to Putin. How are you doing with your Gazprom shares today???? I love it that you are going bankrupt. Tomaz, Shell's accuracy is less than 10% in its forecasts. BP is better because they are right one time out of five over the last 50 years. Those forecasts are wild ass guesses. The Shell forecast is based on four US terminals not seven. We had gas shortages back in the 1970's. https://www.anylaw.com/case/big-three-industries-v-railroad-commission-texas-and-amoco-gas-company/texas-supreme-court/04-29-1981/G8lRYG all the EU has to do is open it and read. We have already YBTlTomsSBitK3. The Federal Power Commission started setting up priorities when the US started running out of 20 cent /mmbtu natural gas back in 1973. The playbook has already been written; All the EU has to do is open it and read. They will have to pay attention to the mistakes the US made starting out and not repeat those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 February 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, Tomasz said: Did the Soviet Union ever cut off supplies to Europe? Whenever. Even at the height of the Cold War? NOT Perhaps Europe cutting off Russian gas? It would seem quite apparent choices are being made, the reformation of the USSR or a collapse of oil pricing. Now that would be quite a equation...I do not see Russia falling back on its American Express card....do you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nsdp + 449 eh February 22, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said: Russia exports 7.5Mbpd, not 4.3Mbpd. You are ignoring the exports of Russian oil products which amount to over 3Mbpd. Russia exports lot of diesel, ship oil and other petroleum products which are refined in Russia to add value to its oil.7.5Mbpd is significant share of 15% out of about 45-50Mbpd net oil exports. You are talking in a brain dead manner out of your bias against Russia. How does Chinese food have any relation with west? China has full self sufficiency in grain production. Most of its imports are luxury food like meat, edible oil, imported food products etc which can be done away without causing any starvation. Most of the imports by China are due to changing lifestyle and the urbanisation leading to increased consumption of luxury food, fast food, party food etc rather than base requirement of food. So, there is no way Chinese food security can be harmed. Hurt Russian economy? In what manner? Russia has self sufficiency in all critical/essential goods. Russia is actually exporting oil, gas, coal, Uranium, fertilisers etc which are essential commodities for the world. If we include exports of Kazhakhstan, turkmenistan and Uzbekistan as they are client states of Russia, then the reliance on Russia for oil, gas, coal and Uranium will be too big to exclude. If any trade with Russia is blocked, west will suffer greatly rather than Russia suffering There is a very wise Arabic saying roughly translates, "you do not bite the hand that feeds you". China is short food for about 400 million people per year and they are smarter than Germany was in WWII. . that is why China has a panic over South China sea access. secondly without access to deep water terminals and pipelines that cross Europe your only export terminal us Murmansk. I can't find any oil pipelines that will take your oil to China. All of your other pipelines with Lloyd's Register says no. Iranian tankers are full and sitting at Kharg Island to sort things out so they can sail the seven seas. Remember professionals study logistics. All the oil in the world is worth nothing if you can't deliver it to market. Edited February 22, 2022 by nsdp typing errors 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 February 22, 2022 Russia supplies exactly as much gas as each of its contractors orders each day under long-term contracts. The difference to the previous years is that it does not sell gas at the spot. Moreover, there is no such obligation. It can be compared, more or less, to the owner of a large wholesaler who carries out supplies for regular contractors and does not conduct retail trade. Everyone gets exactly as much gas as they are entitled to and will order for the next day. Gazprom is a biggest gas producer th same as Saudi Arabia's oil equivalent. It is professionally called the swing producer. The rules are clear - long-term contracts are now being implemented. Nord Stream II is intended for the implementation of the spot contracts. As long as there is no open NS II, there is no sale at the spot and obligation for such sale does not result from anything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 February 22, 2022 (edited) Quote You might not like capitilism.......It will fill the gap without anyone having to suck up to Putin. How are you doing with your Gazprom shares today???? I love it that you are going bankrupt. Well Im conservative long-term investor If we talk about my bancrupcy I plann to buy even more I play for dividends 2020 was bad you know 183 bilion cubic meters for 28 bilion dolars you u know covid global recession I was desperate Thank you very much for blocking NSII 2021 only 184 bilion cubic meters but for 57 bilion dolars not 28 And whats more good - I will buy even more because this year I will get next record dividend for 2022 after record dividend in 2021 Last year I get 16 % ratio. let me say once more 16 % Why do you want me to get bankrupt when I get record dividends year after year. I dont want to get bankrupt and as soon as possible even tomorrow I will buy even more shares because you want to blocj NS II even longer 25 % less gas for export at double price Its really my problem as Gazprom shaleholder if you are stupid enough to pay more for less? Edited February 22, 2022 by Tomasz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,259 DM February 22, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tomasz said: Well Im conservative long-term investor If we talk about my bancrupcy I plann to buy even more I play for dividends 2020 was bad you know 183 bilion cubic meters for 28 bilion dolars you u know covid global recession I was desperate Thank you very much for blocking NSII 2021 only 184 bilion cubic meters but for 57 bilion dolars not 28 And whats more good - I will buy even more because this year I will get next record dividend for 2022 after record dividend in 2021 Last year I get 16 % ratio. let me say once more 16 % Why do you want me to get bankrupt when I get record dividends year after year. I dont want to get bankrupt and as soon as possible even tomorrow I will buy even more shares because you want to blocj NS II even longer 25 % less gas for export at double price Its really my problem as Gazprom shaleholder if you want to pay more for less? We see why you are supporting Putin, all for your own personal greed. Do you sell yourself out for a Ruble to everyone? Stock price: OGZPY (OTCMKTS) $7.16 -0.87 (-10.89%)Feb 22, 3:50 PM EST - Disclaimer Love to see people like you losing everything Edited February 22, 2022 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,259 DM February 22, 2022 Politics Published February 21 Graham calls to 'destroy' ruble, 'crush the Russian oil and gas sector' in response to Putin aggression Putin's decision to recognize breakaway regions 'declaration of war' against Ukraine, Graham says Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called to "destroy the ruble and crush the Russian oil and gas sector" in response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. Graham made the call in a tweet thread posted after Putin's national address in which he recognized the independence of the separatist Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic areas of Ukraine. "When it comes to thugs like Putin disrupting world order and destroying democracies – enough is enough," Graham wrote. RUSSIA-UKRAINE: PUTIN TO RECOGNIZE INDEPENDENCE OF UKRAINIAN BREAKAWAY REGIONS: LIVE UPDATES "Putin’s decision to declare eastern Donetsk and Luhansk as independent regions within Ukraine is both a violation of the Minsk Agreements and a declaration of war against the people of Ukraine," the Republican from South Carolina continued. "His decision should immediately be met with forceful sanctions to destroy the ruble and crush the Russian oil and gas sector," Graham added. The situation in Ukraine has become dire, with Putin’s recognition of the separatist governments likely to lead to conflict. A U.S. official gave a grave warning to the United Nations, cautioning that Russia has put together a list of Ukrainians "to be killed or sent to camps following a military occupation." Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks to the G20 summit via videoconference from Moscow, Russia, on Oct. 30, 2021. (Evgeniy Paulin, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP / AP Newsroom) Bathsheba Crocker, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, sent a letter to the U.N. human rights chief, The Washington Post reported Sunday. "I would like to bring to your attention disturbing information recently obtained by the United States that indicates that human rights violations and abuses in the aftermath of a further invasion are being planned," Crocker wrote. "These acts, which in past Russian operations have included targeted killings, kidnappings/forced disappearances, unjust detentions, and the use of torture, would likely target those who oppose Russian actions, including Russian and Belarusian dissidents in exile in Ukraine, journalists and anti-corruption activists, and vulnerable populations such as religious and ethnic minorities and LGBTQI+ persons." CLICK HERE TO READ MORE ON FOX BUSINESS "Specifically, we have credible information that indicates Russian forces are creating lists of identified Ukrainians to be killed or sent to camps following a military occupation," she warned. "We also have credible information that Russian forces will likely use lethal measures to disperse peaceful protests or otherwise counter peaceful exercises of perceived resistance from civilian populations." A Russian invasion into Ukraine could also spark a European land war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, notsonice said: We see why you are supporting Putin, all for your own personal greed. Do you sell yourself out for a Ruble to everyone? So after all, am I a Russian troll or a satisfied owner of Gazprom shares? Why should I criticize Gazprom when it brings me record dividends. I just laugh at your stupidity - now, when the price drops below $ 800 for 1,000 m3, all the media are telling me that I am a loser. If I wrote to such a Western journalist 2 years that he would consider the price of $ 800 to 1,000 for the defeat of Gazprom, he would probably send me to a psychiatric hospital. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK February 22, 2022 The Clintons, Obama, and Biden have said was best leader for international affairs, he said he had so much sway in International Policy fucking brain dead Biden are the three responsible for this current mess. Clinton talked Ukraine into giving up its nuclear weapons. Had they kept them, Putin and his dream of bringing back the former USSR would be a nonissue today. Obama lacked the balls to stop Russia in any way in 2014. Was more interested in weekly festivities at the White House. Biden is just plain brain dead; unless, he is told what to say or who to call on during press conferences, Biden would rather instead be smelling little girls' hair and kissing them. These Three we're and are the total FUCKUPS that bring us to where we are today! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,259 DM February 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said: The Clintons, Obama, and Biden have said was best leader for international affairs, he said he had so much sway in International Policy fucking brain dead Biden are the three responsible for this current mess. Clinton talked Ukraine into giving up its nuclear weapons. Had they kept them, Putin and his dream of bringing back the former USSR would be a nonissue today. Obama lacked the balls to stop Russia in any way in 2014. Was more interested in weekly festivities at the White House. Biden is just plain brain dead; unless, he is told what to say or who to call on during press conferences, Biden would rather instead be smelling little girls' hair and kissing them. These Three we're and are the total FUCKUPS that bring us to where we are today! Do you think NATO should step in or the US send troops to Ukraine......or are you just a babbling bone spurred coward? Deal with it Biden is arming the Ukrainians with the best weapons around and Trump was the guy who tried to stop arming Ukraine..... Edited February 22, 2022 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,009 GE February 22, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, notsonice said: We see why you are supporting Putin, all for your own personal greed. Do you sell yourself out for a Ruble to everyone? Stock price: OGZPY (OTCMKTS) $7.16 -0.87 (-10.89%)Feb 22, 3:50 PM EST - Disclaimer Love to see people like you losing everything Personal greed is considered a positive in the USA. Capitalism and all that. If you have well-diversified investments you are probably investing in all sorts of questionable organizations / governments. Do you really have no mutual funds etc. that include a "global investment" fraction? As a Canadian living in Alberta I would love for oil prices to spike. Drives up real estate. Edited February 22, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 February 22, 2022 Why should I criticize Gazprom when it brings me record dividends. I rather laugh at the stupidity of some experts - now when the price drops below $ 800 for 1,000 m3, all the media write to me that I am a loser. If I wrote to such a journalist about two years ago that he would consider the price of $ 800 to 1,000 for the defeat of Gazprom, he would probably send me to some psychiatric hospital. No sorry, when the price of gas is four-digit, the demand for gas is simply falling sharply because it is more profitable to burn coal home oil, wood, plastic or garbage. $ 800 for 1,000 m3 is not a defeat for Gazprom, but gas that is already considered extremely expensive. I understand geopolitical reasons, but if the sanction on Russia is really to be that you block them NS II and Gazprom is forced to suffer defeats such as selling Poland and Ukraine gas for 800 or more than $ 1,000 for 1,000 m3, honestly someone should at least ventilate a few hours. As far as i understand antirussian sanctions is that now it sell Ukrainians the most expensive NG in the world. Just to save Ukraine from Russian invasion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,259 DM February 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: Personal greed is considered a positive in the USA. Capitalism and all that. If you have well-diversified investments you are probably investing in all sorts of questionable organizations / governments. Do you really have no mutual funds etc. that include a "global investment" fraction? As a Canadian living in Alberta I would love for oil prices to spike. Drives up real estate. No I am in individual stocks, real estate and my own business and do not invest in questionable organizations / governments or for that matter mutual funds. Personal greed is considered a positive in the USA??? What a load of garbage I thought you quit the chatroom....You just came back under a new name. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,009 GE February 22, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, notsonice said: Personal greed is considered a positive in the USA??? What a load of garbage Read up on Capitalism. Or alternativly accept that you support socialism. You only invest in stuff that pays nothing? Newsflash that extra money came from someone else! You exploited labour. Edited February 22, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,009 GE February 22, 2022 (edited) A nation that elected trump doesn't value personal greed.... too funny. "[Not paying taxes makes me smart.]" No.... it means you choose not to contribute to society out of greed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBZR1-onmAo Edited February 22, 2022 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 22, 2022 3 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said: Do you think that oil markets are bilateral trade deals? The bilateral nature of trade in oil is solely based on convenience and logistical costs. If Russia stops selling oil, Germany, Netherlands, Poland etc will start buying oil from other sources like Norway, Nigeria, Libya, Saudi Arabia etc and that will mean other EU counties buying from these will see shortages. So, at the end, entire world will see oil price hikes. Only select few countries which have political dealings with oil suppliers like China, India which have political relations with West Asian countries, Belarus, Serbia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc with Russian alliance will get oil supply. These countries are mostly insulated from oil price as the oil suppliers will give them investments and other forms of funding to bridge the price hike. But rest of the countries will see massive economic recession. Nordstream never supplied even 1 can of gas as it was still in pilot testing mode. So, that is not a loss at all. Venezuelan oil never was a major factor as it is not true oil but tar sands which was replaced by Canada. Tar sands have very little value in markets other than USA. Only China & India are other states that have some tar sands processing refineries. No other country can process tar sands effectively. Iranian sanctions didn't affect markets simply because of USA shale and GCC production increase offsetting it. Iran exported just 1.8Mbpd which was easy to replace with the burgeoning shale production of USA. Try replacing 8.8Mbpd of Russian & Kazakhstan oil and you will see why Russia dominates. You seem to not be bright to understand things other than what you are trained to understand. I have already stated before that only Byzantine/Eastern European countries ever trusted Russia. So, there was no trust in the first place. It is simply energy dominance of Russia compelling the Western EU states to need Russian supplies. Germany and Japan are closing nuke plants because of USA asking them to close it. USA is planning a withdrawal as it no longer needs net imported oil (other than Canadian tar sands) due to energy independence. This means the countries under USA vassalage are being asked to close down nuclear plants as there are fears that these countries may become nuclear weapons states using the nuclear technology they obtained from USA. This phase out is due to security concerns rather than green energy Japan is a vassal of USA. USA invaded Japan in 1945 and never left it. So, even today, Japan is under USA occupation and does not ahve independent foreign policy. So, Japanese foreign policy and sanction has no relevance "The bilateral nature of trade in oil is solely based on convenience and logistical costs" In the U.S. Income tax avoidance is number one reason. Have you ever heard of the triangle trade ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 22, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, RichieRich216 said: Edited February 23, 2022 by bobo88 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 22, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, TailingsPond said: Personal greed is considered a positive in the USA. Capitalism and all that. If you have well-diversified investments you are probably investing in all sorts of questionable organizations / governments. Do you really have no mutual funds etc. that include a "global investment" fraction? As a Canadian living in Alberta I would love for oil prices to spike. Drives up real estate. I agree . Just ask Joe Biden , brother James and son Hunter. And dozens more in Congress. Is Burisma lobbying Joe to save it's corrupt autocratic country. Biden can spin all he wants. It doesn't change the facts. Ukraine is not a Democracy. Ukraine is not in NATO. I have to laugh when the U.S. administration warns about Russia getting close China. Joe, James and Hunter cozy up to China years ago. How can Joe make calls on Ukraine or China when he is seriously compromised ? Edited February 23, 2022 by bobo88 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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kshithij Sharma + 78 February 23, 2022 4 hours ago, nsdp said: There is a very wise Arabic saying roughly translates, "you do not bite the hand that feeds you". China is short food for about 400 million people per year and they are smarter than Germany was in WWII. . that is why China has a panic over South China sea access. secondly without access to deep water terminals and pipelines that cross Europe your only export terminal us Murmansk. I can't find any oil pipelines that will take your oil to China. All of your other pipelines with Lloyd's Register says no. Iranian tankers are full and sitting at Kharg Island to sort things out so they can sail the seven seas. Remember professionals study logistics. All the oil in the world is worth nothing if you can't deliver it to market. China has enough food, especially grains. It only imports meat and luxury food. China is actually an exporter of rice. Also, about oil, Iran didn't have enough capacity to store even 1 month of Russian exports (225million batrels). Russian oil is a critical commodity which the buyers will beg to buy. Russia doesn't need to market it. Even in the worst case where Russia stops exporting oil, it will only affect other countries' economy which are reliant on oil imports while Russia will be enjoying in self sufficncy. So, there is no point in claiming that Russian oil won't reach the market. 2 hours ago, bobo88 said: "The bilateral nature of trade in oil is solely based on convenience and logistical costs" In the U.S. Income tax avoidance is number one reason. Have you ever heard of the triangle trade ? I only meant to say that Russian oil exports are not bilateral and affect overall oil markets, not just the oil markets of the countries Russia is exporting to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff February 23, 2022 3 hours ago, RichieRich216 said: The Clintons, Obama, and Biden have said was best leader for international affairs, he said he had so much sway in International Policy fucking brain dead Biden are the three responsible for this current mess. Clinton talked Ukraine into giving up its nuclear weapons. Had they kept them, Putin and his dream of bringing back the former USSR would be a nonissue today. Obama lacked the balls to stop Russia in any way in 2014. Was more interested in weekly festivities at the White House. Biden is just plain brain dead; unless, he is told what to say or who to call on during press conferences, Biden would rather instead be smelling little girls' hair and kissing them. These Three we're and are the total FUCKUPS that bring us to where we are today! uh, in your so-called democracy, you get what you vote for. if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, notsonice said: Politics Published February 21 Graham calls to 'destroy' ruble, 'crush the Russian oil and gas sector' in response to Putin aggression Putin's decision to recognize breakaway regions 'declaration of war' against Ukraine, Graham says Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called to "destroy the ruble and crush the Russian oil and gas sector" in response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. Graham made the call in a tweet thread posted after Putin's national address in which he recognized the independence of the separatist Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic areas of Ukraine. "When it comes to thugs like Putin disrupting world order and destroying democracies – enough is enough," Graham wrote. RUSSIA-UKRAINE: PUTIN TO RECOGNIZE INDEPENDENCE OF UKRAINIAN BREAKAWAY REGIONS: LIVE UPDATES "Putin’s decision to declare eastern Donetsk and Luhansk as independent regions within Ukraine is both a violation of the Minsk Agreements and a declaration of war against the people of Ukraine," the Republican from South Carolina continued. "His decision should immediately be met with forceful sanctions to destroy the ruble and crush the Russian oil and gas sector," Graham added. The situation in Ukraine has become dire, with Putin’s recognition of the separatist governments likely to lead to conflict. A U.S. official gave a grave warning to the United Nations, cautioning that Russia has put together a list of Ukrainians "to be killed or sent to camps following a military occupation." Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks to the G20 summit via videoconference from Moscow, Russia, on Oct. 30, 2021. (Evgeniy Paulin, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP / AP Newsroom) Bathsheba Crocker, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, sent a letter to the U.N. human rights chief, The Washington Post reported Sunday. "I would like to bring to your attention disturbing information recently obtained by the United States that indicates that human rights violations and abuses in the aftermath of a further invasion are being planned," Crocker wrote. "These acts, which in past Russian operations have included targeted killings, kidnappings/forced disappearances, unjust detentions, and the use of torture, would likely target those who oppose Russian actions, including Russian and Belarusian dissidents in exile in Ukraine, journalists and anti-corruption activists, and vulnerable populations such as religious and ethnic minorities and LGBTQI+ persons." CLICK HERE TO READ MORE ON FOX BUSINESS "Specifically, we have credible information that indicates Russian forces are creating lists of identified Ukrainians to be killed or sent to camps following a military occupation," she warned. "We also have credible information that Russian forces will likely use lethal measures to disperse peaceful protests or otherwise counter peaceful exercises of perceived resistance from civilian populations." A Russian invasion into Ukraine could also spark a European land war. Lindsey Graham never met a war he didn't like. Joe Biden told Putin " . . a minor incursion was acceptable" This is Joe's attempt for personal redemption for getting 13 soldiers killed in Afghanistan" Joe playing Mr.Tough Guy is going to get thousands killed in Ukraine. If he just listend to Senator Cotton and said Ukraine will never be a NATO member we wouldn't be in this place. Now that Russia has made his move Ukraine will never be a member of NATO. Edited February 23, 2022 by bobo88 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,009 GE February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, kshithij Sharma said: China has enough food, especially grains. It only imports meat and luxury food. China is actually an exporter of rice. No, they use to buy a lot of food from Canada before we detained the Huawei executive. Regardless, they will not starve as they have plenty of ocean access and enjoy eating seafood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobo88 + 58 BL February 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: No, they use to buy a lot of food from Canada before we detained the Huawei executive. Regardless, they will not starve as they have plenty of ocean access and enjoy eating seafood. Russia has signed contracts with China to deliver Wheat, Corn and Barley . Train takes about 4 to 5 days. A new "fast train" is planned with construction commencing this year. Train filled with grain from Russia and their soon to be annexed Ukraine will easily beat grain by cargo ship from U.S., Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Edited February 23, 2022 by bobo88 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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