How Far Have We Really Gotten With Alternative Energy

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On 7/18/2023 at 4:22 AM, Rob Plant said:

Oil price going nowhere even after all the OPEC+ cuts and now even the IEA are reducing their oil demand forecast!

Not looking good for oil

IEA Cuts Oil Demand Growth Forecast For First Time This Year

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/IEA-Cuts-Oil-Demand-Growth-Forecast-For-First-Time-This-Year.html

Looks like oil price is okay and getting better, oil demand still high in UK and Europe where only 1.24% of vehicles are EVs, despite the loud noises about electric transport.

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16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Looks like oil price is okay and getting better, oil demand still high in UK and Europe where only 1.24% of vehicles are EVs, despite the loud noises about electric transport.

That was old data from 2021!

https://www.dw.com/en/electric-cars-reach-peak-eu-market-share-in-2022/a-64586009

The oil price is being artificially propped up by the cuts from OPEC+

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Significant Milestone Reached: European Union Boasts Half a Million Public Recharging Points

https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/significant-milestone-reached-european-union-boasts-half-million-public

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Alternative fuels infrastructure: Council adopts new law for more recharging and refuelling stations across Europe

https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/alternative-fuels-infrastructure-council-adopts-new-law-more-recharging

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

There is no free lunch.

In British Columbia there are indeed free charging stations due to the massive amounts of hydro power. 

https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/charge/public-charging

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Wind and solar power required unending massive amounts of government cash to maintain production, a waste of good money.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/orsted-ceo-says-abandoning-us-wind-projects-real-option-bloomberg-news-2023-09-05/

"Denmark's Orsted (ORSTED.CO), the world's largest offshore wind farm developer, is prepared to walk away from projects in the U.S. unless the Biden administration guarantees more support, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday, citing the company's CEO."

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9 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Alternative fuels infrastructure: Council adopts new law for more recharging and refuelling stations across Europe

https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/alternative-fuels-infrastructure-council-adopts-new-law-more-recharging

They have long way to go with only 1.24% of European vehicles EV. A dead end street, most people will not be going that route.

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On 9/8/2023 at 6:54 PM, Ecocharger said:

They have long way to go with only 1.24% of European vehicles EV. A dead end street, most people will not be going that route.

That percentage was from 2021!

Not only will EU citizens be going that route, they wont have a choice!

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On 9/11/2023 at 3:46 AM, Rob Plant said:

That percentage was from 2021!

Not only will EU citizens be going that route, they wont have a choice!

That is the most recent number, find me another new one if you want to complain.

EU citizens are famous for abrupt changes in public policy and are the first ones to get fleeced by false advertising.

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

EU citizens are famous for abrupt changes in public policy and are the first ones to get fleeced by false advertising.

Really? such as???

You mean fleeced by Russian NG dependence? If so yeah that was bad, but now the EU is ramping up their renewable infrastructure and Norway is developing new Oil & Gas fields it will become a moot point.

Actually abrupt changes in EU policy are extremely difficult and because of that rare, as there are 27 member states, and that's a lot of governments who all have to change their minds on said policy.

One of the reasons Brexit happened was because of that very issue, British people didnt like the fact its own people and politicians couldnt be exempt from EU law even if they violently disagreed with that policy. Now if Britain f*cks up then we only have ourselves to blame.

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China's Solar Boom: Capacity Set To Hit 1 TW By 2026

China's Solar Boom: Capacity Set To Hit 1 TW By 2026 | OilPrice.com

Of course this wont have any affect on coal use in China 😄

China's installed non-fossil fuel electricity capacity exceeds 50% of total

China's installed non-fossil fuel electricity capacity exceeds 50% of total | Reuters

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World record: Wind turbine generates enough energy in a day to power 170,000 homes

World record: Wind turbine generates enough energy in a day to power 170,000 homes | Euronews

It did this whilst operating safely through a typhoon!

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9 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Really? such as???

You mean fleeced by Russian NG dependence? If so yeah that was bad, but now the EU is ramping up their renewable infrastructure and Norway is developing new Oil & Gas fields it will become a moot point.

Actually abrupt changes in EU policy are extremely difficult and because of that rare, as there are 27 member states, and that's a lot of governments who all have to change their minds on said policy.

One of the reasons Brexit happened was because of that very issue, British people didnt like the fact its own people and politicians couldnt be exempt from EU law even if they violently disagreed with that policy. Now if Britain f*cks up then we only have ourselves to blame.

No, they are easily influenced by wild and improperly researched ideas, such as the German government agenda in the 1930s.

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6 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

World record: Wind turbine generates enough energy in a day to power 170,000 homes

World record: Wind turbine generates enough energy in a day to power 170,000 homes | Euronews

It did this whilst operating safely through a typhoon!

Even the UN in COP 27 acknowledged the need for a vast expansion of fossil fuels.

"The COP27 climate conference in Egypt has been tough sledding for climate activists. Energy security concerns and shortages in traditional fossil fuels – which still power the vast majority of the global economy – are rightfully stealing the show.

You know it’s bad when the EU’s climate chief becomes the voice of reason on energy security.

 

“If we can’t get our citizens and industries through the winter, there will not be a climate policy left,” Franz Timmerman said before his journey to the resort town of Sharm el-Sheikh for the annual U.N. climate confab."

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12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, they are easily influenced by wild and improperly researched ideas, such as the German government agenda in the 1930s.

Germany in the 1930's???

Seriously youre going back nearly 100 years for an example and then its of a single country lol which makes your point totally invalid.

FYI the EU was formed in 1993 and before that the "common market" existed and was formed in 1957.

Show me some evidence on your claim since the EU was formed to back up your claim "EU citizens are famous for abrupt changes in public policy and are the first ones to get fleeced by false advertising."  as of yet you havent come up with 1 point but only some nonsense about Germany in the 1930's.

I could make the same claim about the USA and slavery as you changed your minds on that in 1861 ffs.

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12 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Even the UN in COP 27 acknowledged the need for a vast expansion of fossil fuels.

"The COP27 climate conference in Egypt has been tough sledding for climate activists. Energy security concerns and shortages in traditional fossil fuels – which still power the vast majority of the global economy – are rightfully stealing the show.

You know it’s bad when the EU’s climate chief becomes the voice of reason on energy security.

 

“If we can’t get our citizens and industries through the winter, there will not be a climate policy left,” Franz Timmerman said before his journey to the resort town of Sharm el-Sheikh for the annual U.N. climate confab."

Yawn!

yes it was a concern because Germany and Italy and others were so heavily reliant on Russian NG, we all know the reasons by now dont we!

As it turned out there were no issues but it was a massive wake up call to Germany and the idiotic policy of Merkel to rely on an agressor for their NG. Again FF caused a massive issue and has only pushed Germany and other countries to ramp up renewables and H2 projects.

NG will be here for decades by the way and its essential for countries to transition IMHO but reliance on a known enemy for your supply is foolhardy in the extreme.

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not much room for a coal future.........Peal coal already happened in 2013/2014

 

those pesky solar panels........no coal needed.....

CANARY MEDIA

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/chart-solar-installations-set-to-break-global-us-records-in-2023:

Solar installations set to break global, US records in 2023

Thanks to cheaper solar panels and favorable policy, expect to see a lot more broken solar records in the years to come.

15 September 2023

Canary Media’s chart of the week translates crucial data about the clean energy transition into a visual format.

The solar industry is having yet another record-setting growth year, globally and in the U.S. A perfect storm of policy, incentives and still-plummeting costs has made solar the clear choice for new generation capacity worldwide.

Research firm BloombergNEF expects global solar installations to rise by 56 percent in 2023, according to a September report.

While solar deployments in the U.S., South America and the EU are growing fast, China continues to lead the way — it’s expected to account for 50 percent of new global solar PV projects by 2024.

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  But China’s leadership extends beyond brand-new projects: Its installed capacity is expected to cross the 500-gigawatt mark by the end of 2023 and is expected to double to 1 terawatt by the end of 2026, according to recent data from Rystad.

  Meanwhile, total U.S. installed solar capacity is nearly 160 gigawatts today and will rise to about 209 gigawatts in 2026, or around 11 percent of the global total, according to Rystad. Much of that increase will stem from the Inflation Reduction Act’s generous incentives.

  Although a bit of a laggard compared to China, the U.S. solar industry is expected to add a record 32 gigawatts of new capacity this year, a 52 percent increase from 2022, according to a separate report released by the Solar Energy Industry Association and analyst firm Wood Mackenzie.

  The trends driving this growth are set to continue. The price of standard solar modules hit an all-time low of 16.5 cents per watt in August, and BloombergNEF expects it to fall further by year’s end. The United States doesn’t get the full benefit of these low prices because of the tariffs it imposes on Chinese-made solar panels, but the rest of the world does.

  Given the still-plummeting costs of solar and America’s IRA, this record growth looks to become an annual tradition both globally and in the U.S. — trade wars and tariffs notwithstanding.

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

The trends driving this growth are set to continue. The price of standard solar modules hit an all-time low of 16.5 cents per watt in August, and BloombergNEF expects it to fall further by year’s end. The United States doesn’t get the full benefit of these low prices because of the tariffs it imposes on Chinese-made solar panels, but the rest of the world does.

Wow!  At that price per watt, payback for the modules is much less than a year.

Unless a "module" isn't a "panel"...

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On 9/20/2023 at 10:52 PM, turbguy said:

Wow!  At that price per watt, payback for the modules is much less than a year.

Unless a "module" isn't a "panel"...

coal is toast.........Solar farm boom is just starting

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/09/25/solar-module-price-falling-with-no-end-in-sight/

Solar module price falling, with no end in sight

Solar module prices have never fallen so sharply in such a short period of time. One reason for this is the “PV module glut” in warehouses in Europe, according to pvXchange’s Martin Schachinger.

SEPTEMBER 25, 2023 MARTIN SCHACHINGER, PVXCHANGE.COM

 

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On 9/20/2023 at 9:32 PM, notsonice said:

not much room for a coal future.........Peal coal already happened in 2013/2014

those pesky solar panels........no coal needed.....

Now solar module cost is down to 14.5 US cents/watt!

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3 hours ago, turbguy said:

Now solar module cost is down to 14.5 US cents/watt!

yep will it break below 10 cents ever???? My bet is in 2 years when they make a commercial production panel with a peroskivite layer on top of a CD/TE layer

Edited October 12 by notsonice

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Coal is toast in the next few years....expect a coal production decline of 5 percent a year starting in 2025 

 

read the full story

https://theconversation.com/solar-power-expected-to-dominate-electricity-generation-by-2050-even-without-more-ambitious-climate-policies-215367

Solar power expected to dominate electricity generation by 2050 – even without more ambitious climate policies

Published: October 26, 2023 10.47am EDT

 

 

here is why..the highlight of the article

 

Our projections suggest that the average cost of generating electricity through solar energy will decrease substantially, by 60% from 2020 to 2050, even when factoring in the growing demand for energy storage.

Should these forecasts prove accurate, solar energy combined with storage is expected to become the cheapest option for generating electricity in nearly all regions worldwide by 2030. In that same year, it is expected to be 50% less costly than constructing new coal-fired power plants in six major regions: the EU, US, India, China, Japan and Brazil.

Countries that continue to construct fossil-based infrastructure run the risk of putting their electricity-intensive sectors at a significant competitive disadvantage. Consequently, we must question whether it is realistic to rely on fossil fuels for the power sector. The future appears to be beckoning in a more sustainable direction.

Solar is becoming the cheapest option for generating electricity

 

Maps showing the energy source with the lowest average cost of electricity (including necessary storage) in the 70 world regions in 2020, 2023, 2027 and 2030. Nijsse et al. (2023)/Nature Communications, CC BY-NC-SA

https://theconversation.com/solar-power-expected-to-dominate-electricity-generation-by-2050-even-without-more-ambitious-climate-policies-215367

Solar power expected to dominate electricity generation by 2050 – even without more ambitious climate policies

Published: October 26, 2023 10.47am EDT

 

 

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On 9/13/2023 at 7:41 AM, Rob Plant said:

World record: Wind turbine generates enough energy in a day to power 170,000 homes

World record: Wind turbine generates enough energy in a day to power 170,000 homes | Euronews

It did this whilst operating safely through a typhoon!

Wow, that is miniscule!

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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/california-increasingly-shutting-wind-and-solar-farms-due-lack-enough-power

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California increasingly shutting off wind, solar farms due to lack of power lines

When supply exceeds demand, a lack of transmission lines means the electricity has nowhere to go. So, California grid operators are shutting down wind and solar farms more than ever.

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Published: October 30, 2023 12:42pm

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California’s buildout of wind and solar farms is exceeding the ability of its grid to handle all the electricity during periods of high production and low demand.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration reported Monday that curtailments, which is when wind and solar farms are deliberately shut down, increased to peak levels in 2023.

The California Independent System Operator, which operates the electricity grid for much of the state, has steadily curtailed the amount of electricity from wind and solar farms that flows through its system.

The decreases appear to be situational, not a steady process, and are the result of the state not having enough power lines to carry all the electricity produced by wind and solar farms, the EIA report stated.

These curtailments, for example, typically reach their peak in spring, when the weather is mild and demand on the grid is low.

In May 2015, CAISO curtailed 41,140 megawatt hours of electricity from wind and solar farms. In April 2023, curtailment on those farms totaled 702,883 megawatts of electricity.

A 100-watt bulb consumes 100 watt hours of electricity every hour, so 702,883 megawatt hours is enough to power 7 billion 100-watt light bulbs for an hour.

According to the International Energy Agency, the world needs to build 50 million miles of transmission lines by 2040 in order to meet the global emission reduction targets laid out in the Paris Agreement.

 

Edited October 30 by Ron Wagner

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When new power transmission lines are not factored into the cost of new solar or wind it results in higher prices for the end consumer. The lies have resulted in higher prices for energy all across the world. Prices have doubled in Europe, and increased in the parts of America that have been forced to use them.