How Far Have We Really Gotten With Alternative Energy

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California just ordered the next big tranche of stand alone grid batteries.

CPUC approves California utility projects including PG&E’s 1.6GW/6.4GWh BESS

 

Rendering of the Edwards Sanborn solar-plus-storage project in Kern County, California. It will have a 2,445MWh battery storage system, one of the biggest in the world, though only 28% of this is part of PG&E’s procurement. Image: Terra-Gen / CPA.

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) has approved new projects by the state’s three investor-owned utilities, including nine battery energy storage system (BESS) facilities proposed by PG&E totalling 1.6GW/6.4GWh.

The resources have to come online between 2023 and 2026 but PG&E expects these nine (which total 1,598.7MW to be exact) will be fully operational by June 2024.

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Solar + battery hybrids are poised for explosive growth

Today, solar and hybrids dominate the development pipeline. By the end of 2021, more than 675 gigawatts of proposed solar plants had applied for grid connection approval, with over a third of them paired with storage. Another 247 gigawatts of wind farms were in line, with 19 gigawatts, or about 8% of those, as hybrids.

 

The amount of proposed solar, storage and wind power waiting to hook up to the grid has grown dramatically in recent years, while coal, gas and nuclear have faded. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

https://news.yahoo.com/meet-power-plant-future-solar-121030608.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHdT210sYRdeM2aFcGM7GwYeFhNw1wi-sbS7np1N0pFwPkKprI7TXXHppOVUBUaHv2DHWBTHzOEUyM71UeGEIfR7D_8AyD-XjZGvFfdo4OY3DJ-rglnCcIW99vEWnUJtxsn00QOUKlIfT3YSVNnPyLpkbCkszYwHNPUqJMW986BX

Edited April 25, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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I keep telling you boys you’ll get home and chill out while your electric car will go shopping, get a wash pick up some beer and do an 80% fast charge before coming home. Except 4 eyes will be with Pence avoiding the next election crowd. 

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New trash that may not be true. But I have a gallon of moonshine. Redneck truth starts with moonshine. So Pence is offered a ride by Trumps security to get to safety. Pence reportedly decides to hang out under the Capital because he fears being whisked to Alaska. He wants to stay till the election is certified. Why does Pence fear his own party? We’ll, they were chanting they wanted to hang him. Even brought a gallows. 
Remember before the election Trump was dropping the idea of unfairness at the polls. Now days the whisper campaign is about how Trump refuses to condemn Putin for attacking Ukraine. So did these boys talk about it? Trump just hoping for it? You know he can’t stand not being in the middle of it. He’s got Pillow Head and Giuliani for his brain trust. With the combined level of genius and collaboration, Just how whacked can this get. Lol

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On 4/12/2022 at 6:10 AM, Eric Gagen said:

Right now coal available for export is pricy and transport is tight, because China has ramped its imports up.  The EU used to import most of its coal from Russia and has embargoed that source, so if they want to buy more than token amounts of coal in general, it’s not going to be as simple as signing contracts with major exporters of coal. 

You can buy it cheaply from the bulk carriers in line at Chinese  ports   Waiting time to dock is about

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11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Of course that is from a company talking up how much of a pain it is because they sell an affordable solution. You posted marketing copy. You are a pathetic phenomenon.

Problem solved:

That's why EverCharge offers a full managed service, so from permitting all the way to installation and on-going service, support and maintenance we handle everything. Making the process easy and affordable.

Jay, if it made any sense at all to drive an EV, you would have one by now yourself.

The fact that you have voted with your wallet to keep driving an ICE fossil fuel vehicle shows that oil demand will continue to climb going forward, and ICE will be the go-to transportation mode of the future as well as of the present.

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Solar + battery hybrids are poised for explosive growth

Today, solar and hybrids dominate the development pipeline. By the end of 2021, more than 675 gigawatts of proposed solar plants had applied for grid connection approval, with over a third of them paired with storage. Another 247 gigawatts of wind farms were in line, with 19 gigawatts, or about 8% of those, as hybrids.

 

The amount of proposed solar, storage and wind power waiting to hook up to the grid has grown dramatically in recent years, while coal, gas and nuclear have faded. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

https://news.yahoo.com/meet-power-plant-future-solar-121030608.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHdT210sYRdeM2aFcGM7GwYeFhNw1wi-sbS7np1N0pFwPkKprI7TXXHppOVUBUaHv2DHWBTHzOEUyM71UeGEIfR7D_8AyD-XjZGvFfdo4OY3DJ-rglnCcIW99vEWnUJtxsn00QOUKlIfT3YSVNnPyLpkbCkszYwHNPUqJMW986BX

Coal and gas are up, where have you been.

EVs are stuck below 1% of the vehicle market.

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31 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Coal and gas are up, where have you been.

EVs are stuck below 1% of the vehicle market.

 

2021 dead cat bounce...do you see a year outperforming 2019????? better yet compare it to 2014 and you will see that coal is doomed

 

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6 hours ago, Boat said:

I keep telling you boys you’ll get home and chill out while your electric car will go shopping, get a wash pick up some beer and do an 80% fast charge before coming home. Except 4 eyes will be with Pence avoiding the next election crowd. 

The only thing I disagree with on this is "your electric car". The chances are fewer and fewer people will own cars due to the large initial financial outlay. Driverless cars that will do as Boat says will be for hire at pennies and come to your door within a couple of minutes with everything you need.

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On 4/25/2022 at 2:23 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

It is far worse than that.  There is no "agreement" to come to.  With the sharing, the size capacity of the cable is economized and SHRUNK compared to a single home.  A single apartment will have a main ~70 amp service at most.  A single EV car is going to demand, at slow charging rate, a dedicated 30 amp connection and many of them are going to DUAL 30amp or 40 amp chargers and if you have 2 cars?  God forbid one goes on vacation all at the same day and comes home on the same day and everyones neighbors charges at night at the same time... Nothing happens like that at say.... CHRISTMAS or any other holiday now does it?  Oh yea, and the greenies wish to eliminate the natural gas heating everyone uses too.  That by itself is another dedicated 40amps for heat.  Not done yet, NG water heater has to be converted and that is going to be another 30amp dedicated circuit.   Now in an apartment complex, they might go with zone distributed heating instead and could lower total electrical load. 

End result: 100% of every condo/apartment electrical main distribution etc must be replaced wholesale for EV's even before we talk about elimination of NG.  This is a gargantuan cost as this infrastructure went in first underground.  It also means all the power lines TO the apartment are too small as well along with the transformer etc.  I'll let you figure out that bill.  Ah, do not forget the tax and permit fees. 

Apartment buildings aren't as tough as you think - for really old ones, yes, but they ought to get knocked down and replaced anyway, so there's no great loss.  for the rest of them  your 'giant problem' is incredibly easy to solve:

• charging vehicles - drop a new line from the mains to the parking area, and put charging there - use stations where people who live there punch in a code that bills the electric costs to their unit - or maybe use a credit card or passkey or something to keep track of it (like parking meters already do for all those things)
• gas heating and water - I'll let you know a little secret - outside of a few small apartment buildings, these aren't things that individual apartment units have at all for the most part - they are already electric.  Providing natura gas service costs more up front to install piping, and the appliances themselves are often more expensive too.  They pay for themselves with cheap fuel.  Apartments are built to rent out, and the builders, and building owners don't care at all how expensive it is to run the appliances in their units, because that cost is passed along to the tenants.  In the few cases where they ARE gas, they are usually whole building systems, with a single hot water heating system for the whole building, and centralized furnaces with local vent and mixing control for individual units.  

On 4/25/2022 at 2:35 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Frankly the entire Green Energy platform is coming to light. 

Rebuild a nation's grid to support it.

Supplement battery infrastructure to establish reliability.

Rewire a nation's commercial/ residential properties to consume it.

Meanwhile the world is on the Cuspid of world war 3.   " Hey Buddy Got A Dime" I need a charge.

Coming To a theater near You!

Aside from the WW3 bit  you nailed the green energy platform - make green electricity, store as needed, distribute to end users.  (sarcasm on) Not exactly the best kept secret in the world, but  you figured it out! (sarcasm off) seriously - it's been publicized extensively for the last 5-10 years that this is the plan.  

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18 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Aside from the WW3 bit  you nailed the green energy platform - make green electricity, store as needed, distribute to end users.  (sarcasm on) Not exactly the best kept secret in the world, but  you figured it out! (sarcasm off) seriously - it's been publicized extensively for the last 5-10 years that this is the plan.  

Mr. Gagen respectfully...to rebuild a power infrastructure that has taken over 100 yrs to build along with all of it's complexities would be and is... sheer madness. The magnitude of this insanity is being unveiled across the globe as we speak. 

Speaking to madness we have a mad man in Russia, he to is quite delusional. Again as we speak the largest mobile artillery force since ww2 is being assembled in the Ukraine, aided be modern technologies..surrounded by stinger missiles and anti tank weaponry. What do you think will happen once these force's are deployed. 

Today Russia is cutting NG to Poland&Bulgaria, those are countries of millions and millions of people...50 million? Poland is a NATO member,cutting off energy to a country...A act of war?

 These events are not a video game, there is no off button. A mad man is in control of a force that can end it all with one simple command. 

It was Green Energy's delusional ambitions running in tandem with Putin's delusional ambitions of power..that brought the world to this point...Blind ambitions.

Merely a opinion...Your mileage may vary.

Nord Stream 2: Russia must not use gas pipeline as weapon, says Merkel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58301099

Moscow threatens to hit Kyiv with long-range missiles if it attacks Russian soil

https://www.foxnews.com/world/moscow-threatens-kyiv-long-range-missiles-attacks-on-russian-soil

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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On 4/13/2022 at 1:19 AM, Boat said:

How can taking a stab at Peak Oil timing be stupid or arrogant. It’s a guess. Do you even know what peak oil is? If we go into WWIII peak oil may have already happened. Maybe using words like “anyone who says” without exactly defining what they are talking about is the disruptive kinda square yellow buss slow one. Your guess/ estimate of a renewable economy and lifestyle is wrong. Individuals/families live that way now. 

There is no peak oil but oil depletion. People have found a way around peak oil by drilling more oil wells to extract more oil despite lowering productivity per well

On 4/14/2022 at 8:11 AM, notsonice said:

Peak oil.......are we there now ?????is oil demand going to go up by 10 percent before diving??????? We all can see peak oil happening in our lifetimes if not in the next decade or it is already happening......................

 

One thing is for sure

Renewable developement/installations/production  worldwide is accelerating and EV's/hybrids production/sales is doubling each year now and this is  laying the ground work for a fall in demand for Coal ...Oil and Nat gas

Peak Coal has happened

Peak Oil is happening

and Finally Peak Nat Gas will happen in my lifetime

I can assure you that the world only has enough oil for next 20 years. The oil reserves and extraction differs from country to country and hence there will be different times when different countries deplete their oil. USA & most western countries will lose all their oil by 2035 while Arabs & Russia will have enough oil till 2050 going by current extraction level. Peak oil is irrelevant as oil depletion is the key.

On 4/18/2022 at 8:14 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

ESG is members of the free market making investment decisions of their own free will. The free market in action. Germany, famously, has no oil or natural gas resources. You are spouting nonsense as usual.

Germany has lot of coal reserves which can be gassified.

On 4/23/2022 at 4:49 AM, Eric Gagen said:

The Baltic is too shallow for methane hydrates.  Once it ran out of coal, Germany had two options available with existing technology:  nuclear power from imported uranium  and imports of fossil fuels.  That’s what it chose while figuring out how to develop solar and wind. They could currently be in a situation like France where nuclear handles the bulk of the load, but they didn’t.  They literally don’t have anything else in their country.  It’s incredibly resource poor.

Germany has plenty of coal still left underground. Germany could have always relied on its coal reserves instead of going for gas or nuclear power. Even now, Germany can gasify the coal to get natural gas for its power plants. However, this is a bad idea as there is loss of 30% energy during conversion from coal to gas. If Germany uses coal to produce all its electricity, it will be able to power its industry for 30+ years. However, heating, fertiliser & industrial application will still need some gas imports

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2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Mr. Gagen respectfully...to rebuild a power infrastructure that has taken over 100 yrs to build along with all of it's complexities would be and is... sheer madness. The magnitude of this insanity is being unveiled across the globe as we speak. 

Speaking to madness we have a mad man in Russia, he to is quite delusional. Again as we speak the largest mobile artillery force since ww2 is being assembled in the Ukraine, aided be modern technologies..surrounded by stinger missiles and anti tank weaponry. What do you think will happen once these force's are deployed. 

Today Russia is cutting NG to Poland&Bulgaria, those are countries of millions and millions of people...50 million? Poland is a NATO member,cutting off energy to a country...A act of war?

 These events are not a video game, there is no off button. A mad man is in control of a force that can end it all with one simple command. 

It was Green Energy's delusional ambitions running in tandem with Putin's delusional ambitions of power..that brought the world to this point...Blind ambitions.

Merely a opinion...Your mileage may vary.

Nord Stream 2: Russia must not use gas pipeline as weapon, says Merkel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58301099

Moscow threatens to hit Kyiv with long-range missiles if it attacks Russian soil

https://www.foxnews.com/world/moscow-threatens-kyiv-long-range-missiles-attacks-on-russian-soil

 

100 years?  Try 40 That’s about the average age of a power plant when it gets scrapped.  Just because electricity has been around a while doesn’t mean the infrastructure to produce and distribute it doesn’t get constantly updated. As for Russia pulling crap, the quicker the rest of the world can afford to stop buying their stuff the better off it will be.  It literally can’t happen fast enough.

Edited April 27, 2022 by Eric Gagen

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22 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Apartment buildings aren't as tough as you think - for really old ones, yes, but they ought to get knocked down and replaced anyway, so there's no great loss.  for the rest of them  your 'giant problem' is incredibly easy to solve:

• charging vehicles - drop a new line from the mains to the parking area, and put charging there - use stations where people who live there punch in a code that bills the electric costs to their unit - or maybe use a credit card or passkey or something to keep track of it (like parking meters already do for all those things)
• gas heating and water - I'll let you know a little secret - outside of a few small apartment buildings, these aren't things that individual apartment units have at all for the most part - they are already electric.  Providing natura gas service costs more up front to install piping, and the appliances themselves are often more expensive too.  They pay for themselves with cheap fuel.  Apartments are built to rent out, and the builders, and building owners don't care at all how expensive it is to run the appliances in their units, because that cost is passed along to the tenants.  In the few cases where they ARE gas, they are usually whole building systems, with a single hot water heating system for the whole building, and centralized furnaces with local vent and mixing control for individual units.  

 

Ah yes, the magical, "just run another line" trope... through a finished parking lot/grounds where half the spots do not even have the spaces for a car let alone a charger as well as jerk off renter will smash into them requiring steel cage/concrete posts at minimum.  Every renter had better start driving a golf cart because after the ~1meter used up with the charger and charger protection, that is all that will fit in the average rental car parking spot. 

And yes, as an owner of a 56 unit apartment building yes, we used zone heat as it was a single unit block.... but that is the minority at least here in the USA where I live. 

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On 4/25/2022 at 9:46 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

Here is a "decent EV" (with the new and improved fire safe battery)

Ya don't say

Burned out: it’s looking more and more certain that the Chevy Bolt is dead

GM’s troubled Chevrolet Bolt and Bolt EUV models have been out of production for months, and more and more evidence points to the fact that Bolt production at GM’s Orion plant, if it ever does restart, won’t last long.

https://electrek.co/2022/01/26/burned-out-its-looking-more-and-more-certain-that-the-chevy-bolt-is-dead/

 

JDPA_2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV Silver Front View.webp

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26 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

 

JDPA_2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV Silver Front View.webp 70.18 kB · 1 download

Out of date and clueless as usual. Chevy Bolt restarted production a few weeks ago.

Chevy Bolt Production Restarts With Upgraded Battery

The Chevy Bolt and Bolt EUV are back in production.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/06/chevy-bolt-production-restarts-with-upgraded-battery/

Chevrolet will cover the cost of standard installation of Level 2 charging capability for eligible customers who buy or lease a 2022 Bolt EUV or Bolt EV,

Edited April 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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35 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Ah yes, the magical, "just run another line" trope... through a finished parking lot/grounds where half the spots do not even have the spaces for a car let alone a charger as well as jerk off renter will smash into them requiring steel cage/concrete posts at minimum.  Every renter had better start driving a golf cart because after the ~1meter used up with the charger and charger protection, that is all that will fit in the average rental car parking spot. 

And yes, as an owner of a 56 unit apartment building yes, we used zone heat as it was a single unit block.... but that is the minority at least here in the USA where I live. 

Agreed - zone heat is unusual, but it’s not unheard of (I’m in the US too) I lived in a couple of places near San Francisco, and one in Oklahoma that had it.
 

as for lack of space. That’s really only a problem in really poor urban areas.  Those place  are going to get redeveloped, or at the very least nobody’s going to build new ones like that.  Most apartment buildings/blocks have plenty of parking space, usually with grass and grounds nearby.  A combination of required minimum parking, building setback requirements from the road, flood mitigation and competition to get tenants pretty much ensures this in construction from the last 50 years or so.  Pulling up some landscaping temporarilyand setting the charging infrastructure 1-2 yards/meters back from the curb so it doesn’t get hit accidentally is trivially easy, and looks nice too - that’s how the Tesla charging station by my house is set up at the grocery store.  The batteries and above ground parts of the infrastructure are on the grass, and only the cord goes out to the cars.

In ‘higher rent’ urban areas, most apartments have either individual garages for the tenants on the bottom floor of the building or large concrete parking structures.  In both cases the worst case scenario is having to run a line to the parking area from the mains, then bolt/clip cables along the ceiling and mount charging equipment on the walls.  Put it above the average bumper level of a pickup truck, or on support posts pointed away from the drive paths and nobody can hit it even by accident without totaling their vehicle.

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by Eric Gagen

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Out of date and clueless as usual. Chevy Bolt restarted production a few weeks ago.

Chevy Bolt Production Restarts With Upgraded Battery

The Chevy Bolt and Bolt EUV are back in production.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/06/chevy-bolt-production-restarts-with-upgraded-battery/

Chevrolet will cover the cost of standard installation of Level 2 charging capability for eligible customers who buy or lease a 2022 Bolt EUV or Bolt EV,

Ahh I see! LMAO 

GM Stock Value Sinks 8 Percent During Week Of April 4 – April 8, 2022

Some of the factors affecting GM stock value this week include a bevy of EV-related news, including GM CEO Mary Barra‘s attendance at an EV industry meeting between automakers and the Biden Administration, the announcement of full-scale BrightDrop Zevo production, and a restart for Chevy Bolt production. GM has also announced new hires to bolster its global public policy team and support EV adoption.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/04/gm-stock-value-analysis-performance-april-4-april-8-2022/

And now this? Just how much can the Green Revolution withstand?

A day after Musk moves on Twitter, Tesla loses $126 billion

And the band played on...

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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IEEFA U.S.: Wind and solar generated record 34% of ERCOT power in Texas Q1 2022

After passing coal as power source, Texas wind and solar now have natural gas in their sights

 

The restructuring of the Texas electric generation market continued in the first quarter of 2022, with wind and solar producing a record 34% of the power dispatched by ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas), the transmission system operator that distributes most of the state’s electricity.

The new market share record is particularly impressive in light of the sharp increase in overall electricity demand across ERCOT. Through the first quarter, demand was up more than 9% to 95.1 million megawatt-hours (MWh). But wind and solar are growing at an even faster clip: Wind generation was up 14% for the first three months while solar output jumped a whopping 85%. Together, wind and solar accounted for 71% of the generation increase during the quarter.

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Ford starts F-150 Lightning production, confirms second electric pickup model for 2024

Ford on Monday announced the start of "full production of 2022 F-150 Lightning electric pickup trucks at its Rouge Electric Vehicle Center, part of the massive Detroit Rouge Complex that builds non-electric F-150 trucks.

Ford said in a press release that it has 200,000 reservations for the Lightning. In response to greater-than-expected demand, Ford said earlier this year that it would expand Lightning production to 150,000 units annually. That will happen in 2023, the automaker confirmed in Monday's release.

 

Meanwhile, Ford CEO Jim Farley clarified to reporters on Monday that the Tennessee-built electric truck due to be made starting in 2024 won't be a successor to the Lightning; it will be in addition to it. "It's another truck," he said, as quoted by Automotive News. "This is not our only truck. We said very clearly we want to be the leader in electric pickup trucks."

Edited April 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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On 4/25/2022 at 2:39 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Of course that is from a company talking up how much of a pain it is because they sell an affordable solution. You posted marketing copy. You are a pathetic phenomenon.

Problem solved:

That's why EverCharge offers a full managed service, so from permitting all the way to installation and on-going service, support and maintenance we handle everything. Making the process easy and affordable.

Not affordable enough for you, Jay, you are still clinging to that fossil fuel vehicle you own.

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On 4/25/2022 at 1:39 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Of course that is from a company talking up how much of a pain it is because they sell an affordable solution. You posted marketing copy. You are a pathetic phenomenon.

Problem solved:

That's why EverCharge offers a full managed service, so from permitting all the way to installation and on-going service, support and maintenance we handle everything. Making the process easy and affordable.

In your cost analysis, did you factor in large scale vandalism, now that crime is considered victimless?

Does the law say your employer cannot fire you if someone cuts your apartment charging cord, making you a few hours late for work?

Will Evercharge send a car for you within 10 minutes to take you to work if your charging cord is cut? (an)d a car to take you home.)

Remember, thousands of packages are looted from trains every day, now that this is considered a victimless, no bail crime.

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2 minutes ago, Michael Sanches said:

In your cost analysis, did you factor in large scale vandalism, now that crime is considered victimless?

Does the law say your employer cannot fire you if someone cuts your apartment charging cord, making you a few hours late for work?

Will Evercharge send a car for you within 10 minutes to take you to work if your charging cord is cut? (an)d a car to take you home.)

Remember, thousands of packages are looted from trains every day, now that this is considered a victimless, no bail crime.

There is no value gained by cutting a cable, very different from looting packages, no different than keying a car.

Calling an Uber or taxi is a thing.

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On 4/25/2022 at 12:46 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

The vast majority of houses have 220 ready to go. The charging station is a few hundred dollars.

You are pathetic. Delivery, tax and title are the same as for ICE. Tax and title depend on your state and delivery is $1500. Still way below your $75K.

And the Model 3 is way more than the "decent EV" that you specified.

Here is a "decent EV" (with the new and improved fire safe battery)

Pathetic? If going to post, know what you are posting. Dealers Fee and Sales Taxes alone are $1,500.00 depending on which state you live in.

220 Voltage is to supply the house itself; You will not get a Electrician, Pull a County Permit to add to an existing house 220 you are now well over $1,500.00!
 

Don't be such a Greene little bitch!

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28 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Pathetic? If going to post, know what you are posting. Dealers Fee and Sales Taxes alone are $1,500.00 depending on which state you live in.

220 Voltage is to supply the house itself; You will not get a Electrician, Pull a County Permit to add to an existing house 220 you are now well over $1,500.00!
 

Don't be such a Greene little bitch!

Fees and taxes apply equally to ICE and the total is still way, way below $75K.  

You charge your car at night when other appliances aren't running. Even EWO's numbers put the average at only $1500 for the electrician.

Oh and Chevy pays for the level 2 installation bitch.

Chevrolet will cover standard installation of Level 2 charging outlet for eligible customers who purchase or lease a 2022 Bolt EUV or Bolt EV ^* , helping even more people experience how easy it is to live electric. In collaboration with Qmerit, the offer gives customers access to faster charging right where they want it – at home – and with the new available Dual Level Charge Cord standard on the MY22 Bolt EUV and available on 2022 Bolt EV ^* a standalone charging station is not required.

You are simply pathetic. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by Jay McKinsey