footeab@yahoo.com + 2,195 January 27 15 hours ago, notsonice said: but the USA does not need Canadian oil currently.?????? only a dope such as yourself believes what you babble reality....All refineries are configured to process very specific types of oils..... So, you haven't got a damned clue how a refinery works. [Not surprised] If you put in light sweet to a heavy crude refinery does it go through? Yup. Goes through just fine producing gasoline/diesel. Numb brain, its called economics of the spread. Refineries buy heavy crude as it is CHEAPER than light sweet. Buy low sell high. Likewise a refinery who can ONLY refine light sweet will be put at a disadvantage to a heavy sour capable refinery who can do both and obtain a LOWER input cost. Import rock bottom cheap sludge from Canada and export refined EXPENSIVE products to the world making BILLIONS Use your brain for something more than hitting nails eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,283 DM January 27 7 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, you haven't got a damned clue how a refinery works. [Not surprised] If you put in light sweet to a heavy crude refinery does it go through? Yup. Goes through just fine producing gasoline/diesel. Numb brain, its called economics of the spread. Refineries buy heavy crude as it is CHEAPER than light sweet. Buy low sell high. Likewise a refinery who can ONLY refine light sweet will be put at a disadvantage to a heavy sour capable refinery who can do both and obtain a LOWER input cost. Import rock bottom cheap sludge from Canada and export refined EXPENSIVE products to the world making BILLIONS Use your brain for something more than hitting nails eh? If you put in light sweet to a heavy crude refinery does it go through? Yup. Goes through just fine producing gasoline/diesel.?????  you are a f...ing idiot If a refinery is configured for heavy crude it cannot switch to light crude without major modifications...... and configuration is not a matter of just opening and closing a few valves.......  refineries buy Crude that they can process ..........they do not buy what they cannot process  This is why the US exports 4 million barrells of light crude daily and imports 4 million barrels of heavy crude daily You actually are with a lower IQ than Trumps 85......stick to scrubbing toilets     Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 488 Tuesday at 04:59 AM (edited) 9 hours ago, notsonice said: If you put in light sweet to a heavy crude refinery does it go through? Yup. Goes through just fine producing gasoline/diesel.?????  you are a f...ing idiot If a refinery is configured for heavy crude it cannot switch to light crude without major modifications...... and configuration is not a matter of just opening and closing a few valves.......  refineries buy Crude that they can process ..........they do not buy what they cannot process  This is why the US exports 4 million barrells of light crude daily and imports 4 million barrels of heavy crude daily You actually are with a lower IQ than Trumps 85......stick to scrubbing toilets     When was the last time you use a dictionary?? '-' Is there a chance you have not understood the meaning of word used or mixed up the definition, like human usually do? 1. Crude = natural form - in a natural form, you do have the ability to get anything from petrol to sludge or bitumen.  2. Sludge or bitumen - the bottom layer of refinery. Something people would throw out, if it is not used for road?  Met an engineer who boasted how much experience he has handling this project and those, and how knowledgeable he is on pump storage. The tentative project was using seawater. Discussion was ignited. A jobless kid was trying to suggest a more sustainable solution. He said pump storage using fresh water is well established. They only need to modify here and there to fit sea water in. The suggested solution he is not familiar. He wonder if the kid could draw him a draft. The kid showed him this: And said:" you are not familiar probably because it is new idea, not a copy mode or modified version. You do not need to do extensive research and modification; have years of discussion to find out the last working model has been decommissioned......." You and this engineer have similarity. You believe you have been there, done that, challenged others if they can outsmart you. But you do not know there are some people could use just common sense and send your degree + experience back to stone age. Try to reply properly without irrelevant personal attack. You are probably not the only rich kid in here.  Edited Tuesday at 05:03 AM by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,283 DM Tuesday at 07:01 AM 1 hour ago, specinho said: When was the last time you use a dictionary?? '-' Is there a chance you have not understood the meaning of word used or mixed up the definition, like human usually do? 1. Crude = natural form - in a natural form, you do have the ability to get anything from petrol to sludge or bitumen. Â 2. Sludge or bitumen - the bottom layer of refinery. Something people would throw out, if it is not used for road? Â Met an engineer who boasted how much experience he has handling this project and those, and how knowledgeable he is on pump storage. The tentative project was using seawater. Discussion was ignited. A jobless kid was trying to suggest a more sustainable solution. He said pump storage using fresh water is well established. They only need to modify here and there to fit sea water in. The suggested solution he is not familiar. He wonder if the kid could draw him a draft. The kid showed him this: And said:" you are not familiar probably because it is new idea, not a copy mode or modified version. You do not need to do extensive research and modification; have years of discussion to find out the last working model has been decommissioned......." You and this engineer have similarity. You believe you have been there, done that, challenged others if they can outsmart you. But you do not know there are some people could use just common sense and send your degree + experience back to stone age. Try to reply properly without irrelevant personal attack. You are probably not the only rich kid in here. Â buzz off ....... you added nothing to the discussion, as usual and once again , you are babbling BS about nothing to do with the topic at hand. Â Â Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,195 Tuesday at 10:01 AM 14 hours ago, notsonice said: If you put in light sweet to a heavy crude refinery does it go through? Yup. Goes through just fine producing gasoline/diesel.?????  you are a f...ing idiot If a refinery is configured for heavy crude  Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again? I know you are arrogant ignorance personified, but here ya go: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/refining-crude-oil-the-refining-process.php Yes, sweet oil goes through WITHOUT ANY MODIFICATIONS. After all, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants. Go suck your thumb. Maybe a book will hit you upside the head and you might learn to read Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,016 GE Tuesday at 02:48 PM 4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again? I know you are arrogant ignorance personified, but here ya go: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/refining-crude-oil-the-refining-process.php Yes, sweet oil goes through WITHOUT ANY MODIFICATIONS. After all, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants. Go suck your thumb. Maybe a book will hit you upside the head and you might learn to read Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again? It is easy to crack a heavy oil into a lighter oil. It is much more difficult to make a heavy oil from a lighter oil. He is not wrong, the refineries do want to blend heavier oil with light sweet so they get some heavy fractions out. Heavy crude is not just "contaminated" light crude. FYI the forum is about oil prices - it is right in the name. You do not need to know anything about oil to care about the financial impact of the oil market. Do not be so ignorant about the purpose of the forum.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,283 DM Tuesday at 07:58 PM (edited) 10 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again? I know you are arrogant ignorance personified, but here ya go: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/refining-crude-oil-the-refining-process.php Yes, sweet oil goes through WITHOUT ANY MODIFICATIONS. After all, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants. Go suck your thumb. Maybe a book will hit you upside the head and you might learn to read Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again? still babbling BS i see........... After all, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants. ???????? you are a world class idiot..... and you work at a refinery?????? if not where do you work at?????? please share it with us where you gain such wisdom, After all you stated, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants.....Truly you are a world class idiot.  Go suck your thumb?????? dude you are just a babbling idiot. Why are you on this forum again?    here are the basics ,,,, and please note that there is no mention of contaminants whatsover  Heavy crude contains the right hydrocarbons (the ones that sell with high profit margins)   that you could never refine out of light crude. Most refineries refine heavy crude as this is where the money is at. Producing Gasoline is not a profit center for refineries in the US. Heavy crude is the name of the game and you cannot crake heavys out of lights.  here is a starter https://www.afpm.org/newsroom/blog/whats-difference-between-heavy-and-light-crude-oils-and-why-do-american-refineries#:~:text=Heavier crude is now an,and higher costs for consumers. What's the difference between heavy and light crude oils? Heavier crude is now an essential feedstock for many U.S. refineries. Substituting it for U.S. light sweet crude oil would make these facilities less efficient and competitive, leading to a decline in fuel production and higher costs for consumers.4 days ago Refineries run on a mix of crude oils in order to run efficiently and maximize outputs. More than 70% of U.S. refining capacity runs most efficiently with heavier crude. That is why 90% of crude oil imports into the United States are heavier than U.S.-produced shale crude. The primary chemical difference between light crude and heavy crude oil is the composition of hydrocarbon molecules, with light crude containing a higher proportion of smaller, lighter hydrocarbon chains (like methane and ethane) which results in a lower density and viscosity, while heavy crude contains a higher proportion of larger, heavier hydrocarbon chains (like asphaltenes) leading to a higher density and viscosity; essentially, light crude has a higher proportion of "lighter" molecules compared to heavy crude which has more "heavy" molecules.     Edited Tuesday at 08:10 PM by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,016 GE Wednesday at 03:08 AM 17 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Why is a complete oil ignorant on this forum again?  OilPrice.com agrees heavy fraction imports are needed. USA will pay the tariffs. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Dust-Has-Not-Settled-on-Trumps-Canadian-Oil-Threat.html "oil buyers in the Midwest will almost certainly pay the price of the tariffs thanks to the limited substitutability of Canadian crude with other oils resulting in strong pass-through to retail prices." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,016 GE Wednesday at 03:25 AM 7 hours ago, notsonice said: Heavy crude contains the right hydrocarbons (the ones that sell with high profit margins)   that you could never refine out of light crude. Most refineries refine heavy crude as this is where the money is at. Producing Gasoline is not a profit center for refineries in the US. Heavy crude is the name of the game and you cannot crack heavies out of lights.  Just to be pedantic you can make heavy fractions from light crude - it is just unprofitable. You dehydrogenate the short chain alkanes to alkenes; polymerize the alkenes into very long-chain alkanes, and then put that product back into your feedstock to heavy it up.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,195 Thursday at 01:33 PM On 1/28/2025 at 11:58 AM, notsonice said: still babbling BS i see........... After all, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants. ???????? you are a world class idiot..... and you work at a refinery?????? if not where do you work at?????? please share it with us where you gain such wisdom, After all you stated, sweet crude is by and large just Heavy crude without the contaminants.....Truly you are a world class idiot.  Go suck your thumb?????? dude you are just a babbling idiot. Why are you on this forum again?    here are the basics ,,,, and please note that there is no mention of contaminants whatsover  Heavy crude contains the right hydrocarbons (the ones that sell with high profit margins)   that you could never refine out of light crude. Most refineries refine heavy crude as this is where the money is at. Producing Gasoline is not a profit center for refineries in the US. Heavy crude is the name of the game and you cannot crake heavys out of lights.  here is a starter https://www.afpm.org/newsroom/blog/whats-difference-between-heavy-and-light-crude-oils-and-why-do-american-refineries#:~:text=Heavier crude is now an,and higher costs for consumers. What's the difference between heavy and light crude oils? Heavier crude is now an essential feedstock for many U.S. refineries. Substituting it for U.S. light sweet crude oil would make these facilities less efficient and competitive, leading to a decline in fuel production and higher costs for consumers.4 days ago Refineries run on a mix of crude oils in order to run efficiently and maximize outputs. More than 70% of U.S. refining capacity runs most efficiently with heavier crude. That is why 90% of crude oil imports into the United States are heavier than U.S.-produced shale crude. The primary chemical difference between light crude and heavy crude oil is the composition of hydrocarbon molecules, with light crude containing a higher proportion of smaller, lighter hydrocarbon chains (like methane and ethane) which results in a lower density and viscosity, while heavy crude contains a higher proportion of larger, heavier hydrocarbon chains (like asphaltenes) leading to a higher density and viscosity; essentially, light crude has a higher proportion of "lighter" molecules compared to heavy crude which has more "heavy" molecules.     So, in short you just said what I said was correct. GENIUS!!! Of course what AFPM means by EFFICIENT = cheaper feed stock, not efficiency in the feed stock. All they care about is the SPREAD. Costs in MINUS costs out = efficiency for a refiner. WAKE UP Same reason everyone is converting to NG for plastics and lubricating oils. In case this is too difficult for your wee little brain to contemplate, that is supposedly the benefit of Heavy Crude(as it has slightly more, by volume per barrel, longer chain HC's than light sweet)even though NG is MUCH MUCH MUCH lighter than Light Sweet Crude and has to be upcracked. Its about ECONOMICS, NOT perfect thermal efficiency JUST AS I have REPEATEDLY typed.   According to your brain rot drain logic, Bitumen tar is even BETTER than Heavy Crude... Honestly: Can't fix stupid. WAKE UP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,016 GE Thursday at 03:25 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Same reason everyone is converting to NG for plastics and lubricating oils. In case this is too difficult for your wee little brain to contemplate, that is supposedly the benefit of Heavy Crude(as it has slightly more, by volume per barrel, longer chain HC's than light sweet)even though NG is MUCH MUCH MUCH lighter than Light Sweet Crude and has to be upcracked. Its about ECONOMICS, NOT perfect thermal efficiency JUST AS I have REPEATEDLY typed.   According to your brain rot drain logic, Bitumen tar is even BETTER than Heavy Crude...  Not "everyone" is making lubricating oils out of nat gas. The ultra-premium synthetic lubes are made from nat gas but it is very, very expensive - about twice the price of normal lube. Bitumen tar is better than light stuff crude depending on what you want to make. Imagine you want to make... roofing tar ? Or asphalt for roads? Try making that from natural gas. Edited Thursday at 03:25 PM by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,283 DM Thursday at 07:52 PM (edited) 6 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: So, in short you just said what I said was correct. GENIUS!!! Of course what AFPM means by EFFICIENT = cheaper feed stock, not efficiency in the feed stock. All they care about is the SPREAD. Costs in MINUS costs out = efficiency for a refiner. WAKE UP Same reason everyone is converting to NG for plastics and lubricating oils. In case this is too difficult for your wee little brain to contemplate, that is supposedly the benefit of Heavy Crude(as it has slightly more, by volume per barrel, longer chain HC's than light sweet)even though NG is MUCH MUCH MUCH lighter than Light Sweet Crude and has to be upcracked. Its about ECONOMICS, NOT perfect thermal efficiency JUST AS I have REPEATEDLY typed.   According to your brain rot drain logic, Bitumen tar is even BETTER than Heavy Crude... Honestly: Can't fix stupid. WAKE UP hey Tard...are you talking about Fischer-Tropsch ????? I did not know that anyone is using this on a mass scale anywhere in the US....... can you tell me who has ditched Heavy crude as a feedstock and is now using Fischer-Tropsch to convert ng to oil???????????? any refineries switching to NG instead of heavy crude???? from your claims they must be making a fortune by switching....ha ha ha   guess you could reform NG into oil....but why would anyone do it....it costs a fortune and no one will pay a fortune for products they can buy from refineries that process heavy crudes NG into gasoline??? ha ha ha NG into motor oil ??????? ha ha ha NG into grease???? ha ha ha NG into jet Fuel???? ???? ha ha ha NG into Diesel????? ha ha ha..... nope no one turning NG into products that you can get out of refining heavy crude.....   Same reason everyone is converting to NG for plastics and lubricating oils. ????? god you are braindead .....quit using drugs   What refinery in the US thats main feedstock ....Heavy crude ...has switched to light crude???? none and now you are babbling about everyone is converting to NG for plastics and lubricating oils??? lets discuss lubricating oils as the discussion was all about oil please tell us who is everyone....Please tell us the name of one refinery that is ditching heavy crude and switching to ng for lubricating oils????. Please post one ........ You are an Idiot ..... yes you can not fix stupid and you are the King of Stupid you still claiming the difference between light and heavy crude is the contaiminants????? ha ha ha .... oh my that one is priceless...........God you are a the worlds biggest fool ....please keep up with your claims.... I get to roll on the floor laughing at you again and again and again I asked you before ...who do you work for???? let me guess you scrub toilets   Edited Thursday at 08:01 PM by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,016 GE Thursday at 09:44 PM 1 hour ago, notsonice said: NG into motor oil ??????? ha ha ha That is a thing, it is just way more expensive. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-5w30-synthetic-engine-motor-oil-5-l-0289360p.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,016 GE Thursday at 10:00 PM I want some of these Trump morons to eat some of their "clean coal." You can make food from coal. Hitler did it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine#Coal_butter  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,283 DM Thursday at 11:29 PM 1 hour ago, TailingsPond said: That is a thing, it is just way more expensive. https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-5w30-synthetic-engine-motor-oil-5-l-0289360p.html he stated .....everyone is converting to NG for plastics and lubricating oils....... everyone????? nope    now where are they producing these???? just offtakes off of the NG liquids that are produced in Nat gas cleaning now are all the Heavy Oil refiners switching over to nat gas as their main feedstock?????? ha ha ha      1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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