Rob Plant + 2,732 RP May 30 On 5/29/2024 at 4:52 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said: Who the F' is going to pay over $3k in insurance. How DUMB are people? Mine is $350 Of course I am not so gullible and STUPID as to buy "full coverage" so called "insurance" Thats because you drive around in an old knackered beater thats not even worth $350 People who can afford new cars would choose fully comprehensive insurance, if they didnt they would be stupid! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 May 30 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Thats because you drive around in an old knackered beater thats not even worth $350 People who can afford new cars would choose fully comprehensive insurance, if they didnt they would be stupid! Well, currently driving a 2021 car I bought for $5,800 with ~45,000 miles on it. Insurance is a scam. I have been wrecked into and insurance did--> nothing, at which point I ditched my insurance and went with the cheapest option since they do NOTHING for you which would not be FAR cheaper to do yourself instead of paying $$$ for gold plated edition. Sorry you are dumb, or lazy and demand everyone work on your vehicles instead of doing basic maintenance yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP May 30 3 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Well, currently driving a 2021 car I bought for $5,800 with ~45,000 miles on it. Insurance is a scam. I have been wrecked into and insurance did--> nothing, at which point I ditched my insurance and went with the cheapest option since they do NOTHING for you which would not be FAR cheaper to do yourself instead of paying $$$ for gold plated edition. Sorry you are dumb, or lazy and demand everyone work on your vehicles instead of doing basic maintenance yourself. If I'm so dumb how come I drive a new BMW 330E hybrid, dont pay anything for fuel, dont pay anything for maintenance, dont pay anything for insurance? It REALLY does seem driving a $5,800 vehicle where you insure it, maintain it yourself etc is really the dumb thing to do if you can afford not to. I guess you cant, which also makes you dumb. I guess youre one of those guys who is "good with their hands" but a bit limited in the IQ stakes. Ive worked hard for what I have but by using my brain not my hands, that said I can change a car engine if i want to as I did when i was a kid and poor. Maybe you should try being an insurance salesman 🤣🤡 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL May 30 On 5/29/2024 at 1:43 AM, TailingsPond said: How much is your car worth? Heck, just tell use the year, make, and model of your primary vehicle. You seem proud of your choices so why not? You seem to be unaware that fossil fuel cars actually have a secondary used vehicle market, unlike the clunkers being sold as EVs. They just make better sense from every point of view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL May 30 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Thats because you drive around in an old knackered beater thats not even worth $350 People who can afford new cars would choose fully comprehensive insurance, if they didnt they would be stupid! Rob, the second hand EVs are completely worthless, just like the EV revolution itself. Fossil fuel cars have real value as second hand cars. Edited May 30 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE May 30 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: You seem to be unaware that fossil fuel cars actually have a secondary used vehicle market, unlike the clunkers being sold as EVs. They just make better sense from every point of view. Once again you attempt to stray from the topic once exposed. The topic at hand was insurance and now you switch to resale value. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL May 30 7 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Small cars in the UK are the most popular as they are more economic, cheaper to run, cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, easier to park, and generally better for short journey commutes which is the vast majority. You and others have been saying EV's are too expensive for the masses, this type of car proves you wrong and will attract a massive demand for them as they are considerably cheaper than their ICE counterparts. A four seater car albeit compact is fine for most on short journeys, why do you need a massive car? That's what the vast majority of people will be thinking and that's what they'll be buying! No, the market for small EVs is borne of political desperation, no one really wants an EV with the endless hours of charging. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,423 DL May 30 (edited) 1 minute ago, TailingsPond said: Once again you attempt to stray from the topic once exposed. The topic at hand was insurance and now you switch to resale value. You need new glasses, old man. Rob introduced the subject above, I was merely refuting his stuff. You are getting touchy, old bean. Edited May 30 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE May 30 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: You need new glasses, old man. Rob introduced the subject above, I was merely refuting his stuff. You were responding to my post. Try to keep up. "Insurance for EVs? Companies are running away from those." Edited May 30 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE May 30 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: No, the market for small EVs is borne of political desperation, no one really wants an EV with the endless hours of charging. I don't even have to post data for you to know that is biased and deceptive. "No one" yeah tell that to all the customers. Once again, if the EV revolution is not happening or destined to fail you have nothing to worry about! You post about doom and gloom if the green revolution proceeds but simultaneously claim it will not happen. Edited May 30 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 633 GE May 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Sorry you are dumb, or lazy and demand everyone work on your vehicles instead of doing basic maintenance yourself. Haha! The entire service industry is about getting people to do things for you in exchange for money. You probably refuse to go to a restaurant because you can make Kraft dinner at home for cheaper. There is absolutely nothing wrong with spending money on things that improve your quality of life. A professional chef is better than a home cook, a journeyman mechanic - with fancy tools - will do a better job than an amateur with a wrench. As for regular maintenance there is much less to do with an EV. Every time you drudge to the store to buy more oil and filters, change your oil, dispose of the waste and clean up, an EV owner is doing more enjoyable things. I'm almost afraid to ask how you get your medical and dental work done. Edited May 30 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM May 30 BYD is not an oil friendly Company on any level cost under $13,800 Peak oil happened, it is now downhill for clunkers , straight to the scrape yard BYD Unveils Hybrid Powertrain with 1,250-Mile Range By ZeroHedge - May 30, 2024, 3:00 PM CDT BYD introduces a new hybrid powertrain capable of traveling over 1,250 miles without recharging or refueling. BYD dominates the Chinese hybrid market, holding a 50% market share. Automakers globally are innovating in the hybrid segment, with Toyota, Volkswagen, Ford, and GM shifting their focus towards hybrids. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM June 5 Mark you got the title wrong for this post....... it should read Bad news for Big Oil as E-cars keeps coming Bloomberg.com Aramco Cut Oil Prices to Asia for July Amid Demand Concerns Saudi Aramco lowered prices for all of its oil to Asia next month, the first reduction since February, amid concerns over the strength of... . 3 hours ago Upstream Online Opec+ moves and weak demand weigh on oil markets Investors' short-term worries could be eased by anticipated summer demand increase, analysts say. . 22 hours ago Electrek BYD's workforce nearly doubles Toyota's as EV sales surge As EV sales surge in China, BYD's workforce has expanded rapidly, adding nearly 500,000 employees since 2019. BYD's workforce is now roughly... . 1 week ago CNBC China drives EV boom this year amid strong demand for hybrid vehicles EV sales, including both fully battery-powered vehicles and hybrids, were up 18% in the first three months of 2024 compared with the same... . 3 weeks ago NBC News China’s booming electric vehicle companies eye U.S. competitors they see as ‘not ready’ American EV makers are reluctant to compete with Chinese companies because “they're not ready,” Stella Li, chief executive of BYD Americas,... . 1 month ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP June 6 12 hours ago, notsonice said: Mark you got the title wrong for this post....... He gets pretty much everything wrong that he posts. I've lost count on all the posts he has done and then been discredited. Maybe why his book sales are zero? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM June 11 more bad news...........for big Oil and the gas powered clunkers and the EU looks like they will get another domestic EV factory (cough cough) for the production of low cost ...for the masses EVs Coal is dead and Oil.......well low cost EVs will do what solar panels is doing for coal...........Peak Coal happened and Peak Oil is happening now Enjoy Clean air brought to you by the affordable Green Agenda electrive.com BYD evaluating a second car factory in Europe - electrive.com BYD announced its first passenger car factory in Europe in Hungary last year. And while that is not even operational yet, the carmaker is... . 1 day ago The Driven | BYD Seal successfully charges at Tesla V3 and V4 superchargers A new fix is tested at Tesla V3 and V4 superchargers that will allow many BYD Seal owners to charge at many Supercharger sites across... . 1 day ago The Driven | BYD slashes prices of Seal to help hit higher sales in June and chase down Model 3 BYD has extended its recent price cuts to its premium sports sedan, the BYD Seal, seeking to boost sales as it tries to chase down the... . 2 days ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM June 19 more bad news...........for big Oil and the gas powered clunkers EV prices will keep plunging as the battery pack costs have fallen in half in the past year..... Cheap EVs coming to your local dealership https://thedriven.io/2024/06/13/evs-are-being-driven-much-further-than-fossil-cars-and-battery-prices-are-still-plunging/ EVs are being driven much further than fossil cars – and battery prices are still plunging JUNE 13, 2024 32 COMMENTS 3 MINUTE READ GILES PARKINSON a highlight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM June 29 more bad news...........for big Oil and the gas powered clunkers Energy Intelligence China's Oil Demand Drops Further as Economic Woes Persist China's apparent oil demand fell in May both versus April and a year ago, underlining the downside risks of sluggish growth in the world's... . 1 day ago Yahoo Finance Oil prices to stay steady as China demand woes offset Mideast risks (Reuters) -Oil prices will not change much in the second half of 2024 as concerns around demand from China and prospects of higher supply... . 1 day ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 1 Mark you got the title wrong for this post....... it should read Bad news for Big Oil as E-cars keeps coming Investor's Business Daily Tesla Rival Revs Up, With Its Model Y Rival For Mass Market Due Nio nearly doubled EV sales in Q2 while BYD's nearly hit one million. Zeekr, Li Auto and XPeng rose. China EV stocks jumped Monday. . 4 hours ago Reuters Focus: Zeekr's sales jump as Chinese dominate Russian EV market Sales of Zeekr electric vehicles have shot up in Russia in the last year, putting Chinese carmakers ahead of local competition in Russia's... . 4 days ago Electrek BYD just set a new sales record as aggressive price cuts take effect, is it enough to top Tesla? China's leading EV maker, BYD, set a new monthly NEV sales record as it battles for market share in an increasingly competitive market. . 5 hours ago GuruFocus China's EV Market Gains Momentum Amid Strong June Deliveries from Li Auto, NIO, and XPeng Electric vehicle (EV) sales in China are gaining traction despite a competitive market and economic challenges. Strong June delivery reports... . 38 minutes ago 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 680 July 5 (edited) On 5/24/2024 at 2:44 AM, markslawson said: The e-car industry does not need more bad news, but it keeps coming anyway. I've linked a series of videos which tell a grim story. The real mystery in this is why governments are still insisting on targets when its obvious that the bulk of consumers won't buy these things. Arguably the bulk of the non-rich, non-green consumers (most of the market) had little interest in EVs before this as the vehicles had no market edge and major disadvantages. Now with all the horror stories emerging from the sector - minor damage to the battery casing costing many thousands of dollars in repairs, software problems, difficulties in finding chargers, high maintenance costs and so on - they are even less likely to go near them. Other posters on this forum may try to argue that some of the stories are unfair and/or teething problems with new technology, or happen to petrol cars but that it to miss the point. The horror stories are out there and e-cars have a huge image problem, and it is difficult to see how that bad image can be fixed inside of several decades. Dealers CAN’T SELL EVs Anymore, So Now They're DUMPING THEM! Why EV Sales Are Plunging: The Real Reason Revealed! Electric Vehicles & Market Performance! Broken EVs Head Straight to Junkyards As Repair Costs Are Unbearable! On the other hand, they cannot sell anything that is overpriced to begin with. Pickup trucks and expensive vehicles in general. EVs and ICE vehicles are both overpriced. Europe and America are setting high tariffs on Chinese cars to protect their domestic automotive industries. Edited July 5 by Ron Wagner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP July 5 3 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: On the other hand, they cannot sell anything that is overpriced to begin with. Pickup trucks and expensive vehicles in general. EVs and ICE vehicles are both overpriced. Europe and America are setting high tariffs on Chinese cars to protect their domestic automotive industries. Exactly Ron, only 2 years ago the EU countries were offering subsidies and incentives to buy an EV, now EV's are cheaper than their domestic ICE manufacturers. Technology moves at a pace, Mark Lawson and others on here always fail to recognise this fact! 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 July 5 32 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Exactly Ron, only 2 years ago the EU countries were offering subsidies and incentives to buy an EV, now EV's are cheaper than their domestic ICE manufacturers. Technology moves at a pace, Mark Lawson and others on here always fail to recognise this fact! <<Palm in face>> No, no they aren't. Not even close. You could import $4000 "new" chinese ICE cars too... This is all about EU's current environmental CO2 religion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP July 5 (edited) nope no it isnt its about cheap foreign EV's flooding historical auto manufacturing heartlands and they dont like it because they cant compete. Surely even you're not that stupid? Where can you buy a $4K new EV from? Do tell. Oh maybe you have them all parked in your tunnels? By the way how is your tunnel projects coming along 🤡 Edited July 5 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,518 July 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Where can you buy a $4K new EV from? Do tell. Electric scooters are well below $1000. For instance, here's a cheap EV: https://www.amazon.com/MAXSHOT-V1-Electric-Scooter-Commuting/dp/B0CFHBZ5SF/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1YTEPPWNZWNSO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hetnzIaEP443TVChiYCgVLtQQKV5QDFDZaWEluhyD3d0lw5bvJoUXiAUwCMijyAMtRPIUjJwdqOoxew9ZTOw2pakh5kfYSCpo-Qk2gP-u8PyaU0kUmMtXhS7XB6gJNjkac9ASbGNIRlpEXZQCDXxarr2-OXtPQtfhnMb_Bqx0MPQjBhKXbFKC-Nz1-CkcgAjxxNsaqYPAoD6KPaYdBWHk4BV6R028AQsH8yXF0HGi-Ngv959i49fbiGxBz-b770_0FrPNTO2LOvgLU6EBxeYHKh4rsDq_pk8_qYmXaZ64SY.qcSu3O8oIP3D86aHLxMVLmQirIEAtFKW9TabtyfmmP8&dib_tag=se&keywords=electric+scooter+adults&qid=1720201114&sprefix=electric+scooter%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-5 Oh! You wanna sit down? Then: https://www.amazon.com/Jasion-JS3-Electric-Foldable-Commuting/dp/B0CYZRWNVL/ref=sr_1_16?crid=1YTEPPWNZWNSO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hetnzIaEP443TVChiYCgVLtQQKV5QDFDZaWEluhyD3d0lw5bvJoUXiAUwCMijyAMtRPIUjJwdqOoxew9ZTOw2pakh5kfYSCpo-Qk2gP-u8PyaU0kUmMtXhS7XB6gJNjkac9ASbGNIRlpEXZQCDXxarr2-OXtPQtfhnMb_Bqx0MPQjBhKXbFKC-Nz1-CkcgAjxxNsaqYPAoD6KPaYdBWHk4BV6R028AQsH8yXF0HGi-PElLvJj2jRYljXwf67sZn7jvIWFRFuYa-Nab1RSEDHd6h4rsDq_pk8_qYmXaZ64SY.ptx8V6sC_tfFqvN6VleDV7ZckHVBnzsyLftpgyD_JWc&dib_tag=se&keywords=electric+scooter+adults&qid=1720201452&sprefix=electric+scooter%2Caps%2C510&sr=8-16 Just don't park current ones anywhere near anything flammable. Edited July 5 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM July 5 (edited) 17 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: On the other hand, they cannot sell anything that is overpriced to begin with. Pickup trucks and expensive vehicles in general. EVs and ICE vehicles are both overpriced. Europe and America are setting high tariffs on Chinese cars to protect their domestic automotive industries. when one looks at TVs............they were way overpriced when they were made in the US... today.....would any want the US to block out, using tariffs, imported TVs made with parts manufactured in China?????? to bring back manufacturing of TVs in the US???? How much would you be willing to pay for a Made in the USA TV???????? 1000's of dollars for each one???? no one would lo like to turn back that clock The writing is on the wall ....Tesla's are overpriced and will never take over the US car market unless Tesla can come up with a less than $30,000 EV.....IE Tesla becomes a not for profit enterprise or they get the US to tax credit subsidize them (oh wait that already is happening) Tesla's allure in the Chinese market it fading real fast.....Teslas are overpriced in China now compared to the Chinese EV makers Lower cost EVs/plugin hybrids and hybrids/ICE vehicles can be made available in the US with a middle of the road solution I agree with you Ron, EVs and ICE vehicles are both way overpriced............ the middle of the road solution is to allow the Chinese automakers to partner or set up shop in the US to manufacture the batteries, the frames and outer skins , tires and drive trains and do the assembly in the US. As for all the components that require a lot of hand labor.....well you go with low labor countries for those components.....IE wiring harnesses.........electric motors.........seats ....air bag assemblies...taillight assemblies ...small plastic parts .........etc etc if you do not find a middle road it is only a matter of time before the Asians/Chinese with their low labor costs will dominate the worlds auto manufacturing and markets......... Shopping for a new car...car shopping vacations with heading south of the border will become an American pastime just like Dental implants Are Chinese EVs from Mexico a Threat to the US? Autoweek https://www.autoweek.com › news › chinese-evs-from-... Mar 12, 2024 — Now the world's top seller of EVs, BYD is eyeing a Mexican plant and is selling $21000 electric Dolphin Minis just across the border. Dental Implant vacations are very common these days Implants in Colombia - Dental Vacations usko.health https://www.usko.health › implants › colombia Get quality dental implants in Colombia, Colombia. Affordable & reliable. Single Tooth Implant - from $1,000.00 - MIS, Straumann, & More · More Dental Implants Costa Rica - Book Now From Only $1,650 confidentalcostarica.com https://www.confidentalcostarica.com Get the confident and healthy smile of your dreams at the best clinic in Costa Rica. Get... Search Results Dental Vacations in Cancun. All Inclusive Packages Dental Design Studio Cancun https://dentaldesign-studio.com › accommodations 4 Dental Implants; IV Sedation. Request appointment. dental tourism mexico. Dental Implant. Starting from. $ 950 / Implant. Implant Placement; Local Anesthesia .. Edited July 5 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 July 7 On 7/5/2024 at 1:20 AM, Rob Plant said: nope no it isnt its about cheap foreign EV's flooding historical auto manufacturing heartlands and they dont like it because they cant compete. Surely even you're not that stupid? Where can you buy a $4K new EV from? Do tell. Oh maybe you have them all parked in your tunnels? By the way how is your tunnel projects coming along 🤡 I know you are stupid and can't read, but I specifically said $4k for an ICE in China idiot. 🤡 I know you are ignorant of anything outside the UK, but in China a Mid tier new car costs $10k. Their mini cars cost around $3k, but this is old number so call it $4k now. You can get even smaller lighter cars cheaper than this. Where you stop calling something a car is up to you and your ignorance. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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