Natural Gas Trucking in Los Angeles

Southern California Gas Co. (SoCalGas), the largest natural gas distribution utility in the United States, has launched a SoCalGas Truck Loan Program – a“try before you buy” service. The program allows qualified fleet owners the opportunity to try out the latest in heavy-duty natural gas truck technology by test driving a 12-Liter near-zero truck.

Do you think that cleaner air for cities plagued by air pollution warrants the switch to cleaner truck engines?

http://www.ngvglobal.com/blog/trial-a-12-liter-near-zero-natural-gas-truck-with-socalgas-1024

http://www.ngvglobal.com/

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6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Southern California Gas Co. (SoCalGas), the largest natural gas distribution utility in the United States, has launched a SoCalGas Truck Loan Program – a“try before you buy” service. The program allows qualified fleet owners the opportunity to try out the latest in heavy-duty natural gas truck technology by test driving a 12-Liter near-zero truck.

Do you think that cleaner air for cities plagued by air pollution warrants the switch to cleaner truck engines?

http://www.ngvglobal.com/blog/trial-a-12-liter-near-zero-natural-gas-truck-with-socalgas-1024

http://www.ngvglobal.com/

Seems the ICE truck manufactures that were laughing at the idea of electric trucks are now having to try allsorts of  tricks to get companies to keep with them as they see that electric trucks are coming soon.

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12 hours ago, DA? said:

Seems the ICE truck manufactures that were laughing at the idea of electric trucks are now having to try allsorts of  tricks to get companies to keep with them as they see that electric trucks are coming soon.

Natural gas trucks have been around for decades. I can't imagine any large electric truck being competitive with a natural gas truck. Maybe you can back that up. I am aware that there are small electric trucks in production and experimental versions of large trucks.

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3 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Natural gas trucks have been around for decades. I can't imagine any large electric truck being competitive with a natural gas truck. Maybe you can back that up. I am aware that there are small electric trucks in production and experimental versions of large trucks.

On fuel savings alone, no. On fuel, maintenance, and longevity?  Maybe.  Class-8 mechanics are pricey, as are Class-8 parts.  What does the Total Cost of Ownership look like for EV vs NatGas? 

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12 minutes ago, mthebold said:

On fuel savings alone, no. On fuel, maintenance, and longevity?  Maybe.  Class-8 mechanics are pricey, as are Class-8 parts.  What does the Total Cost of Ownership look like for EV vs NatGas? 

My guess is that the original cost of an EV would pay for the investment compared to CNG or LNG trucks. We will have to wait and see real eighteen wheeler electric trucks. Hybrid electrics would be a better bet. Charge as you go. 

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

My guess is that the original cost of an EV would pay for the investment compared to CNG or LNG trucks. We will have to wait and see real eighteen wheeler electric trucks. Hybrid electrics would be a better bet. Charge as you go. 

Hybrid electrics are already popular stop-go operation, but that's because all the stop-go gives you an opportunity to save energy, brakes, wear & tear.

The 300-500 mile Class-8 trucks Tesla is designing are a completely different application: you get up on the interstate and just go.  Since the engine load stays relatively constant & braking is infrequent, there's less opportunity for the hybrid system to pay for itself.  I suspect this market will go directly from conventional to full EV as battery technology progresses.

Of course, it's also possible long-haul trucks would be economical as hybrids, but the hybrid people have their hands full with other applications.  I should just get a degree in this sort of thing so I can crunch the numbers...

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12 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Natural gas trucks have been around for decades. I can't imagine any large electric truck being competitive with a natural gas truck. Maybe you can back that up. I am aware that there are small electric trucks in production and experimental versions of large trucks.

The EV world is rapidly changing as cost's fall and range increases. Tesla's soon to be semi has been laughed at by the industry and by others (as they have with all his products, which seem to be doing very well), but it's never a wise man that bets against Musk.

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