Commission: U.S. Could Lose Wars With Russia, China

Russia isn't a threat in a large conventional war situation and haven't been for the last 50 yrs. Just watch out for them meddling in other countries politics (although everyone seems to be in on that in some way). China the more trade contacts the better for peace.

A good place to start why modern ways between to near peers is a none starter is Binkov's Battlegrounds on youtube. Yes he maybe a sock puppet but that doesn't change the facts. 

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Russian military budget was about 60 bilion dollars last year. US military budget last year was something about 700 bilions.

Even if take under consideration purcharse parity you should have no doubts who has more money. 

For the time being USA spends more than 7 or 8 next countries combined and about half of them are US allies.

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On 11/15/2018 at 5:21 AM, DA? said:

Russia isn't a threat in a large conventional war situation and haven't been for the last 50 yrs. Just watch out for them meddling in other countries politics (although everyone seems to be in on that in some way). China the more trade contacts the better for peace.

A good place to start why modern ways between to near peers is a none starter is Binkov's Battlegrounds on youtube. Yes he maybe a sock puppet but that doesn't change the facts. 

China is likely a threat but not for the United States anyway, large navies serve to put your country in favourable trade agreements, by now the US is more powerful at the seas than and in the future the USA and China will have a comparable navy force

China will become a superpower, and India too but they will not be like the US and the USSR they will be more like in the 19th century Britain and France, countries that have a lot of power and go around the globe to balance things on their favour. Without any other objective than their benefit

The US hegemony as a global and trade power has been set in order to defeat the USSR, keep Europe, Japan and even China inside, the Russians outside and the Germans down, with the past of time Russia and their stupid planned economy just failed. The Trading system was set in place for the cold war to defeat the Russians even if it was detrimental for America in many ways

Russia will likely become a superpower, but not in the first half of this century, more likely in the later half, when all the arctic ice is melted down and the Russians can take advantage of the Siberian river systems, the large arable plains, even more oil and gas resources to increase the productivity and competitiveness of the country, but it will take time

Don't see Russia as a country ruled by a president or a party or a elite or whatever, see them more like a intelligence agency that controls a country, they know what to do and how to do.

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On 11/15/2018 at 1:09 AM, Marina Schwarz said:

Based solely on the average American's complete lack of spine, I would say we could definitely lose. We have the power to win, of course, but our citizens have become too fearful to realize that. 

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That's surprising in an unpleasant way. What are they so afraid of, besides Russian hackers? (that was only half a joke and certainly not meant to be offensive) I mean, nobody in their right minds, regardless of nationality, doesn't want wars but you said fear and I'm curious.

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Well, I'll take the plunge and call the report absolute bullshit.  Written to promote fear by using selective facts and figures.  Such fear can be an effective motivator to keep a people on their toes, or to promote a defense footing the writers and their sources wish to maintain and expand upon.  Are we to believe our foes intend to invade?  I don't think so.  It would be a slaughter.

Does anyone truly believe that our military, cyber, intelligence and other forces and organizations, including civilian, are not the most prepared on the planet to rise to any challenge thrown our way?  Anyone can say someone is not ready today, but can they back it up for sustained periods of time?  There is a test in that endeavor.  I believe that there will be challenges, and I believe we will meet them head on.  And there will be challengers, but they will ultimately fail.  Do not write off the American people; or do so at your peril.

Just my opinion, but hey, it's something!

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2 hours ago, mthebold said:

Based solely on the average American's complete lack of spine, I would say we could definitely lose. We have the power to win, of course, but our citizens have become too fearful to realize that. 

 

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Professors Warned NOT TO FRIGHTEN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS By Using All-Caps

A few lowlights highlights of the internal document obtained by Express UK follow. (Don’t worry. The document does not contain any frightening all-caps)

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MY MOTHER WRITES TO ME ALL THE TIME IN ALL CAPS!  BUT IT HASN'T AFFECTED ME (right mommy?).

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6 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

MY MOTHER WRITES TO ME ALL THE TIME IN ALL CAPS!  BUT IT HASN'T AFFECTED ME (right mommy?).

 

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STOP IT, YOU TWO! THIS IS YOUR RESIDENT DEMON SPEAKING. Some of us are still in the middle of the work day and laughing out loud breaks the concentration. Have some consideration!

56 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Does anyone truly believe that our military, cyber, intelligence and other forces and organizations, including civilian, are not the most prepared on the planet to rise to any challenge thrown our way? 

All those that believe Russians hack whatever they please in the U.S. seem to believe so. Thank you for asking this question because what all the fearmongers seem to forget is that the ZOMG Russia (thank you, Tom) train of though implies U.S. agencies are basically completely unprepared for a cyberattack. Which simply cannot be true, not for ideological but for logical reasons.

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Demon Schwarz has spoken.  Make it so.

And don't go spouting those four letter words around (work).  It's nauseating.  🤢

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21 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

Thank you for asking this question because what all the fearmongers seem to forget is that the ZOMG Russia (thank you, Tom) train of though implies U.S. agencies are basically completely unprepared for a cyberattack.

I was at a lecture on cyber security in the oil industry last week. I know for a fact it is totally unprepared, I cannot comment on other industry.

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Probably, but I'm talking about federal agencies such as the CIA and the NSA.

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11 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

Probably, but I'm talking about federal agencies such as the CIA and the NSA.

So I see on re reading your post 😀

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13 minutes ago, jaycee said:

I was at a lecture on cyber security in the oil industry last week. I know for a fact it is totally unprepared, I cannot comment on other industry.

Yes.  I worked at a large multinational a few years ago and can confirm cybersecurity for oil & gas industry is mostly pretty lame.  Heck, computers on offshore oil platforms used to infect my clean thumb drive that I had to plug in to make my daily reports.

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46 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said:

STOP IT, YOU TWO! THIS IS YOUR RESIDENT DEMON SPEAKING. Some of us are still in the middle of the work day and laughing out loud breaks the concentration. Have some consideration!

Happy to be of assistance in breaking up the monotony of your dull day at work.

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7 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

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Professors Warned NOT TO FRIGHTEN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS By Using All-Caps

A few lowlights highlights of the internal document obtained by Express UK follow. (Don’t worry. The document does not contain any frightening all-caps)

I don't know why, but the swastika makes this for me. 😂

 

9 hours ago, Marina Schwarz said:

That's surprising in an unpleasant way. What are they so afraid of, besides Russian hackers? (that was only half a joke and certainly not meant to be offensive) I mean, nobody in their right minds, regardless of nationality, doesn't want wars but you said fear and I'm curious.

 

7 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Well, I'll take the plunge and call the report absolute bullshit.  Written to promote fear by using selective facts and figures.  Such fear can be an effective motivator to keep a people on their toes, or to promote a defense footing the writers and their sources wish to maintain and expand upon.  Are we to believe our foes intend to invade?  I don't think so.  It would be a slaughter.

Does anyone truly believe that our military, cyber, intelligence and other forces and organizations, including civilian, are not the most prepared on the planet to rise to any challenge thrown our way?  Anyone can say someone is not ready today, but can they back it up for sustained periods of time?  There is a test in that endeavor.  I believe that there will be challenges, and I believe we will meet them head on.  And there will be challengers, but they will ultimately fail.  Do not write off the American people; or do so at your peril.

Just my opinion, but hey, it's something!

Traditionally, Americans have been a stalwart, resourceful people.  That's waning though.  Offhand, I'd estimate that only half of our population retains these characteristics - the other half being fearful children who cry to their government to solve every little problem.  

We've also become too comfortable. In Ye Olden Days, life was fairly brutal for everyone. Kids learned the hard facts of life at a young age; by the time they were old enough to enlist, they'd developed some maturity & toughness.  Not so today. This is an esp. serious problem because warfare has become progressively faster, deadlier, and more brutal.

Let me put some emotion behind that statement.  I served in a Marine Corps infantry battalion in Iraq, and we were trained by the Marines who fought in the same location immediately before us.  Their last words of advice were, "If you find yourself in a situation where you'll be captured, fight to the death or save the last bullet for yourself, because they're just gonna cut your head off."  The tone of that statement was an accurate emotional descriptor of modern warfare.  Few of today's Americans are prepared for that.  Even the ones who volunteer often come home emotionally eviscerated.

America still has some fight in it, but with the schools led by socialists and welfare enabling stupid people to out breed smart people, that's waning. It will be interesting to see if we go the way of the Byzantine empire, which first lost its offensive capabilities and later lost even the ability to defend itself.  

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2 hours ago, mthebold said:
10 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

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Professors Warned NOT TO FRIGHTEN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS By Using All-Caps

A few lowlights highlights of the internal document obtained by Express UK follow. (Don’t worry. The document does not contain any frightening all-caps)

I don't know why, but the swastika makes this for me😂

I was hoping someone would mention the swastika...

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4 hours ago, mthebold said:

 

We've also become too comfortable. In Ye Olden Days, life was fairly brutal for everyone. Kids learned the hard facts of life at a young age; by the time they were old enough to enlist, they'd developed some maturity & toughness.  Not so today. This is an esp. serious problem because warfare has become progressively faster, deadlier, and more brutal.

But now they are awesome at first person shooter video games... probably can fly a drone like a pro... :)

 

4 hours ago, mthebold said:

America still has some fight in it, but with the schools led by socialists and welfare enabling stupid people to out breed smart people, that's waning. It will be interesting to see if we go the way of the Byzantine empire, which first lost its offensive capabilities and later lost even the ability to defend itself.  

The data shows that the most educated breed later and have fewer children... but they lean left. 

You are correct about the dumb over-breeding

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56 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

 But now they are awesome at first person shooter video games... probably can fly a drone like a pro... :)

Sadly, this doesn't help much in full-scale warfare.  You always need boots on the ground, and there's no comparison between video games and real warfare.  Video games, movies, and other media are built for entertainment.  They're carefully engineered to titillate & entertain, which results in a very different emotional experience than the real thing.  Those who blame movies & games for real violence haven't a clue.  

59 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

The data shows that the most educated breed later and have fewer children... but they lean left. 

On that note, our culture defines "education" in an oddly narrow way.  What would the data look like if: 
1)  If you disqualified pointless majors from the definition of "education"?  E.g. how does "fashion design" qualify as "education"? 
2)  If you included professional certifications.  One could argue that a Professional Engineer is more "educated" - both through study and experience - than your average PhD. 
3)  If you included years of experience in positions of responsibility.  E.g. any successful entrepreneur, manager, or executive would be more knowledgeable & competent than your average PhD.  
4)  If you disqualified everyone who earned a degree, but failed to obtain a job in their field.  Or perhaps only disqualify those whose job doesn't require a college degree.  Clearly, their "education" was deficient.  

Personally, I don't think the way we define "education" is a useful indicator of competence.  The "educated" are a group of people who grew up in a socialist school system and decided they liked it enough to voluntarily continue.  That makes "education" a measurement of personality, which accounts for half of political leanings (per Dr. Jordan Peterson).  When we say someone is "educated", we're describing nothing more than their personal preferences. 

The exception would be hard sciences, engineering, MBA's, law, medicine, and other positions of competence from reputable institutions.  Those credentials measure something demonstrably difficult to achieve & valuable to society.  

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8 minutes ago, mthebold said:

The exception would be hard sciences, engineering, MBA's, law, medicine, and other positions of competence from reputable institutions.  Those credentials measure something demonstrably difficult to achieve & valuable to society.  

Just a B.Sc.with specialization in Chemistry from the University of Alberta here.

The trades are highly respected in Alberta - I have friends that did one quarter of the time in school making way more than I ever did in the lab.  I consider trades persons with journeyman tickets highly educated.

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5 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Just a B.Sc.with specialization in Chemistry from the University of Alberta here.

The trades are highly respected in Alberta - I have friends that did one quarter of the time in school making way more than I ever did in the lab.  I consider trades persons with journeyman tickets highly educated.

I agree with that entirely.  Given a choice between a skilled tradesman and some inexperienced numskull with a liberal arts degree, I'll listen to the skilled tradesman.  Every single time.  

I'd also argue that anyone who thinks their university degree gives them an advantage with "soft" skills has never sparred with a union...

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11 hours ago, mthebold said:

 

I'd also argue that anyone who thinks their university degree gives them an advantage with "soft" skills has never sparred with a union...

No kidding.  Rich unions will lawyer up and ruin you; poor but tough unions will beat you... literally.

Edit I was a PSAC member for 16 years

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