Paris Is Burning Over Climate Change Taxes -- Is America Next?

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10 hours ago, jaycee said:

I said the far right were in charge in the 30s and 40s in Germany what is wrong with that statement? Are the AfD left wing or right wing, was Hitler left or right wing? Likud is a Jewish party who hate Muslims so they cannot be right wing? Is the Klan a left wing organisation because they we founded on the principle of Negroes being an inferior race and nothing to do with Jews? Which religion or colour is irrelevant it is just an excuse the far right are racist by definition as they always rail against people who are not deemed to be from the homeland who they hate is only a rallying call.

 Hitler was a socialist of the fascist type adding racism to his teachings.  Communism is socialism carried to the extreme with no private ownership of business. Under fascism, the business sector is allowed to operate under strict guidelines. The Klan's members were Democrats. The far right are not racist by definition except by lying propagandists. Most of the world's nations are now of the fascist type due to the government controlling just about everything they are allowed to do either through regulation, taxation, or intimidation. Fascism and socialism both lead to totalitarianism wherein individual rights disappear. The elites then run everything. 

America is saved, to some extent by our Constitution. Unfortunately, the left wish to ignore and subvert our constitutional rights. Even those of freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms. Also the rights to privacy et all. In other words, they wish for their elites to rule everyone else. 

Under totalitarianism, everyone is basically enslaved by those at the top. Race does not really enter into it except as a separate issue. The use of race today is primarily to divide people for political gain. It is used primarily by the left to gain or maintain power. Unfortunately, there will always be some racism. Tribalism is racism among the same general type of people. It occurs between people who are very similar. Hitler used it against non-German Poles.   Hutus used it against Tutsis in Africa. 

 

Racial Issues in America and Around the World https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mFJYCpS1u9UBlwYIU5P94vH0fXvwWF3WAFwiqZIFlpU/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=115021267467773684978

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

 

 

Edited December 27, 2018 by ronwagn

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10 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

I live in Denmark. We have a population of less than 6 mio people. Being a member of the EU is benefit to Denmark. EU have far more power in the world than Denmark alone. In the EU we get a seat at the table. We don't get everything we want, but we get a chance to influence policy. Were it not for the EU we would need to negotiate trade deals etc with countries far bigger than ourselfes. 

Giving away a little soveriegnty is in our best interest. Simple as that. 

I am a pragmatist! 

ps. USA may well implode too, but I don't post loonie articles about that all time. 

Fine for Denmark but every nation should have the ability to withdraw from the European Union IMO. 

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15 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

 America is saved, to some extent by our Constitution. Unfortunately, the left wish to ignore and subvert our constitutional rights. Even those of freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms. Also the rights to privacy et all. In other words, they wish for their elites to rule everyone else.

I only kept a snapshot of your post.  There are some here that write a fair bit of nonsense and you are one of them.  It appears you have some very warped ideas of the nature of regimes, racism, power and history generally.  I dare say you know as little on this topic as you do about climate.

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31 minutes ago, Red said:

I only kept a snapshot of your post.  There are some here that write a fair bit of nonsense and you are one of them.  It appears you have some very warped ideas of the nature of regimes, racism, power and history generally.  I dare say you know as little on this topic as you do about climate.

I feel exactly the same about you Red but I supply reams of information to back myself up. You provide next to nothing. 

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Just now, ronwagn said:

I feel exactly the same about you Red but I supply reams of information to back myself up. You provide next to nothing. 

You provided nothing relevant on climate and here you just spout utter rubbish. Example: "Hitler was a socialist of the fascist type adding racism to his teachings."  I won't do what Jan does and write copiously, as history has written comprehensively on Hitler and his totalitarian regime.

Another example: "The far right are not racist by definition except by lying propagandists." A truly remarkable claim which relies on the word salad of "what is a definition".  However, far right embraces the concept of one group being naturally better than another, which reasonably extends to include racism as an element.

 

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49 minutes ago, Red said:

You provided nothing relevant on climate and here you just spout utter rubbish. Example: "Hitler was a socialist of the fascist type adding racism to his teachings."  I won't do what Jan does and write copiously, as history has written comprehensively on Hitler and his totalitarian regime.

Another example: "The far right are not racist by definition except by lying propagandists." A truly remarkable claim which relies on the word salad of "what is a definition".  However, far right embraces the concept of one group being naturally better than another, which reasonably extends to include racism as an element.

 

Just shows you are another far left propagandist. Nothing to back you up except more propaganda. 

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Just for a giggle:

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Far right philosophy is the opposite (by definition) of statism. Far left statism ends up being totalitarian, dictatorial and globalist. Far right would be the opposite of statism. The best examples are laissez-faire capitalism and libertarianism. Individual rights and liberties are maximized whereas there are no guaranteed individual rights in statism. Statists make the individual totally subordinate to the state in every way. America is a constitutional republic which defines and guarantees individual liberties. Democracies generally have a weak constitution which is ignored by the elites in favor of their own wishes. We can easily see that working out in Europe right now. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire 

Fundamentals[edit source]

As a system of thought, laissez-faire rests on the following axioms:^[17]

1. The individual is the basic unit in society.
2. The individual has a natural right to freedom.
3. The physical order of nature is a harmonious and self-regulating system.
4. Corporations are creatures of the State and therefore the citizenry must watch them closely due to their propensity to disrupt the Smithian spontaneous order.^[24]

These axioms constitute the basic elements of laissez-faire thought. Another basic principle holds that markets should be competitive, a rule that the early advocates of laissez-faire always emphasized.^[17] With the aims of maximizing freedom and of allowing markets to self-regulate, early advocates of laissez-faire proposed a impôt unique, a tax on land rent to replace all taxes that they saw as damaging welfare by penalizing production.^[25]

Edited December 28, 2018 by ronwagn
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The EU ivory tower elite in Brussels are apparently annoyed at Macron, for listening to the yellow jacket protestor's demands.

This will probably not end well...

Here is an article in German:

https://www.wr.de/politik/oettinger-wilder-brexit-wuerde-fuer-deutschland-teuer-werden-id216087147.html

And here is an excerpt of that German interview with EU Budget Commissioner Günther Oettinger, run through Google Translate:

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Will France's President Emmanuel Macron, against whom his own people rise, remain the EU's hope?

Oettinger: President Macron has lost authority with his budget for 2019, which exceeds the deficit limit of three percent. But he remains a strong supporter of the European Union.

Macron's billionaire pledges to the "yellow vests" bring the French budget in additional distress. When does Brussels step in?

Oettinger: We checked the French budget a few weeks ago and will not be revisiting it now. Crucially, Macron is continuing its reform policy, especially on the labor market, and France is not leaving the growth path.

Under this condition, we will tolerate a national debt higher than three percent as a one-time exception. However, it must not continue beyond 2019.
 

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On 12/26/2018 at 3:32 PM, Red said:

The far right everywhere is something to worry about, and is nowadays well fuelled by ignorant political xenophobes across the globe who bait a media more accepting of a good headline than a balanced story.  These same xenophobes are also hellbent on power, and remain the least accepting of views that do not match their own. 

Actually,   you are painting a far more accurate description of the far left than the far right.

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5 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

The EU ivory tower elite in Brussels are apparently annoyed at Macron, for listening to the yellow jacket protestor's demands.

This will probably not end well...

Here is an article in German:

https://www.wr.de/politik/oettinger-wilder-brexit-wuerde-fuer-deutschland-teuer-werden-id216087147.html

And here is an excerpt of that German interview with EU Budget Commissioner Günther Oettinger, run through Google Translate:

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Will France's President Emmanuel Macron, against whom his own people rise, remain the EU's hope?

Oettinger: President Macron has lost authority with his budget for 2019, which exceeds the deficit limit of three percent. But he remains a strong supporter of the European Union.

Macron's billionaire pledges to the "yellow vests" bring the French budget in additional distress. When does Brussels step in?

Oettinger: We checked the French budget a few weeks ago and will not be revisiting it now. Crucially, Macron is continuing its reform policy, especially on the labor market, and France is not leaving the growth path.

Under this condition, we will tolerate a national debt higher than three percent as a one-time exception. However, it must not continue beyond 2019.
 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/27/eu-macron-globalist-reform-agenda/

Here is an English version of the same remarks via Breitbart London.

This is further evidence of what i said a week ago on this thread,    that after backing off several "progressive taxes",  the crisis in France is basically over for now,  and that NOTHING WILL CHANGE.   That the ALT-LEFT ELITISTS at the EU will not accept that they have done anything wrong,  and will not change their socialist world view,  but,   are essentially giving Macron a year to crack down and "educate"  those who opposed them.

Interesting that the Italians are using what the yellow-vests accomplished as an "I TOLD YOU SO"  opportunity against Macron and France,  as Macron had used his EU power to criticize the Italians for being not progressive enough.

The BIG crisis will hit France at the next election.

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7 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Just for a giggle:

It was as funny as Steven Crowder or Christopher Monckton.

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7 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Just shows you are another far left propagandist. Nothing to back you up except more propaganda. 

Given that I am a humanist, its another post which adds to the misconceptions you promote.

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19 minutes ago, Red said:

It was as funny as Steven Crowder or Christopher Monckton.

Actually they are really very funny.

Crowder makes a living pointing out the hilariously funny stupidities of alt-left, political correctness from a Canadian / American point of view.

Monckton,   in his so British dry humor,  does the same thing.

Here is a good example of Monckton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N_7vqarZMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqcweY1a3I

 

Thank you for pointing them out.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Illurion

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12 minutes ago, Illurion said:

That the ALT-LEFT ELITISTS at the EU will not accept that they have done anything wrong,  and will not change their socialist world view,  but, ....

Please name them so we can assess your credibility.

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7 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Just shows you are another far left propagandist. Nothing to back you up except more propaganda. 

Here is a great website that tells the truth about "climate".

http://www.climatedepot.com

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8 minutes ago, Red said:

Please name them so we can assess your credibility.

This entire thread has been all about them.

Where have you been ?

Perhaps you should re-read this thread,  and the previous closed thread in which all of these issues were discussed.

ps:   as for assessing things for credibility:    the other members of this forum do not appear to "assess" you very highly.  After all,  you have 176 posts,  with only 128 approvals.  So the other members have given you a negative assessment so far.

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Just now, Illurion said:

Here is a great website that tells the truth about "climate".

http://www.climatedepot.com

There is another thread for that issue, so post there if you wish.

I prefer to read actual climate science than anything from your link.  Nevertheless, a very good link to a site run by a denier of warming is here: Climate 4 U

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16 minutes ago, Illurion said:

This entire thread has been all about them.

If "This entire thread has been all about them", then please name these Alt Left elitists because I have no idea who you are talking about.

BTW, I do occasionally rate posts as I read them and give "approvals" based on content, even to people who have views contrary to mine.  However, I do not post to be liked so it would make no difference to me if the site had no rating mechanism.

 

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4 minutes ago, Red said:

There is another thread for that issue, so post there if you wish.

I prefer to read actual climate science than anything from your link.  Nevertheless, a very good link to a site run by a denier of warming is here: Climate 4 U

I use them both,  but prefer CLIMATEDEPOT over CLIMATE4U,  as depot is an AGGREGATE site that lists various articles from regular media sources around the world.   4u is a far more SCIENTIFICALLY SPECIFIC.     Think of DEPOT as MACRO,  and 4U as MICRO.

I go to each depending on what level of information that i need.

I do object to your labeling of 4U as a "DENIER" of warming.   He is not a DENIER of anything.   Warming is a theory that has been presented as fact by many scientists using data that has deliberately been manipulated and skewed.   (as an Accounting Major, i can appreciate that)  He presents very specific scientific evidence that climate change has always existed for millions of years, exists now,  and will always exist,  and that it is disingenuous to try to manipulate and skew the data for political or financial purposes.   There are changes occurring on our world,   but there is very little evidence that any major changes are attributable to MANKIND.   His website is dedicated to accurate data.

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10 minutes ago, Red said:

because I have no idea who you are talking about.

That is how many members of this forum feel when they read what you write sometimes. 

Including me.

As for your question,  again,   go back and read the two threads,   i am not going to do your work for you.

We have been discussing this for 3 weeks.

Frankly,  i am surprised this thread is still going,  as we long ago covered the topic.

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48 minutes ago, Illurion said:

 Warming is a theory that has been presented as fact by many scientists using data that has deliberately been manipulated and skewed.  

You seem to be as clueless as Ron about what a theory is in science.

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44 minutes ago, Illurion said:

As for your question,  again,   go back and read the two threads,   i am not going to do your work for you.

I did read the threads, and I cannot find anyone who fits your description, so put up or shut, as they say.

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1 minute ago, Red said:

I did read the threads, and I cannot find anyone who fits your description, so put up or shut, as they say.

Well i guess you better shut up then.

I,  on the other hand,  am going to sleep.

Good night.

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:07 PM, ronwagn said:

Hitler was a socialist of the fascist type adding racism to his teachings.  Communism is socialism carried to the extreme with no private ownership of business. Under fascism, the business sector is allowed to operate under strict guidelines. The Klan's members were Democrats. 

Hitler was right wing the fact his party used Socialist in its title does not make it left wing. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on the Nazis explaining how they hated the Left which is odd if they were Left wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),^[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism came from Pan-Germanism and the Völkisch movement prominent in the German nationalism of the time, and it was strongly influenced by the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany's defeat in World War I, from which came the party's "cult of violence" which was "at the heart of the movement."^[2]

Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying the Germans as a part of what the Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.^[3] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a German homogeneous society based on racial purity which represented a people's community (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum and exclude those who they deemed either community aliens or "inferior" races.

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.^[4]

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party – to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD) – and Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization. The National Socialist Program or "25 Points" was adopted in 1920 and called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"; 1924–1925), Hitler outlined the anti-Semitism and anti-Communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for representative democracy and his belief in Germany's right to territorial expansion.^[5]

Regards the Klan I cannot see any way their actions are Left wing what its members were before joining is somewhat irrelevant if you are referring to Nathan Forest, their first Grand Wizard, being a democrat the actions of the Klan are not close to any Democratic position as far as I can see if fact none of the positions they take have any resemblance to Left wing ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

The Ku Klux Klan (/ˈkuː ˈklʌks ˈklæn, ˈkjuː/),^[a] commonly called the KKK or the Klan and commonly misspelled as the Klu Klux Klan, is an American terrorist organization. The Klan has existed in three distinct eras at different points in time during the history of the United States. Each has advocated extremist reactionary positions such as white supremacy, white nationalism, anti-immigration and—especially in later iterations—Nordicism^[8][9] and anti-Catholicism. Historically, the KKK used terrorism—both physical assault and murder—against groups or individuals whom they opposed.^[10] All three movements have called for the "purification" of American society and all are considered right-wing extremist organizations.^{[11][12][13][14]} In each era, membership was secret and estimates of the total were highly exaggerated by both friends and enemies.

 

On 12/27/2018 at 9:07 PM, ronwagn said:

The far right are not racist by definition except by lying propagandists.

The Far Right hate those they deem outsiders and the Far Left hate those with money and power, to be an extremist you need somebody to hate to get the right level of drive and passion going to bring down the governing structure they are railing against.

 

On 12/27/2018 at 9:07 PM, ronwagn said:

Fascism and socialism both lead to totalitarianism wherein individual rights disappear. The elites then run everything. 

Totally agree. I hate both Left and Right wing extremes as they are solely about getting the people in charge in power so they can do what they want via a totalitarianism regime into which they morph. Both start with different agendas, Right wing is all about protecting the homeland from something usually another race the Left is about getting rid of the elite and distributing everything. They are both however about hating someone else and blaming them for all the ills they are suffering. In the end the new leaders become the same as the old ones they supplanted.

Edited December 28, 2018 by jaycee
Totally mistyped part about the Klan rephrased it to make clearer.