Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 6, 2019 Oil demand needs to halve, gas use must drop by 10% and coal use needs to be all but eradicated by 2050 to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement to limit global warming, oil company Equinor said in its energy outlook on Thursday. Here. I can definitely see this happening without a major reduction in global population and even major-er consumption limits on everything, yep. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ceo_energemsier + 1,818 cv June 6, 2019 58 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said: Oil demand needs to halve, gas use must drop by 10% and coal use needs to be all but eradicated by 2050 to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement to limit global warming, oil company Equinor said in its energy outlook on Thursday. Here. I can definitely see this happening without a major reduction in global population and even major-er consumption limits on everything, yep. To do that Equinor (STATOIL) must shut in all their oil and gas right now!!!! Norway should take all their oil trust fund $$$ and put it into solar and wind 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 6, 2019 This may be a good start but it won't affect demand. They have to find a way to reduce demand. I'll watch them trying with fascination and unhealthy curiosity. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169 RJ June 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Marina Schwarz said: This may be a good start but it won't affect demand. They have to find a way to reduce demand. I'll watch them trying with fascination and unhealthy curiosity. Who is "they"? To me all the article did was list 2 different scenarios. Probably to justify investment decision(s) they are planning or to tell government(s) that certain frame conditions must be in place if they are to lift their burden of this investment. Edited June 6, 2019 by Rasmus Jorgensen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill the Science Nerd + 73 WM June 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Marina Schwarz said: Oil demand needs to halve, gas use must drop by 10% and coal use needs to be all but eradicated by 2050 to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement to limit global warming, oil company Equinor said in its energy outlook on Thursday. Here. I can definitely see this happening without a major reduction in global population and even major-er consumption limits on everything, yep. This will not happen by 2050, it will happen by 2030 and through market forces alone. Most people will not see the difference as renewable energy takes over except their cars will perform better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill the Science Nerd + 73 WM June 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Marina Schwarz said: This may be a good start but it won't affect demand. They have to find a way to reduce demand. I'll watch them trying with fascination and unhealthy curiosity. RE will be cheap enough by 2025 that fossil plants will just be shut down. BEVs will be on price parity by 2022 and cheaper than the ICE equivalent after. No worries, it will happen on its own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rodent + 1,424 June 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Bill the Science Nerd said: RE will be cheap enough by 2025 that fossil plants will just be shut down. BEVs will be on price parity by 2022 and cheaper than the ICE equivalent after. No worries, it will happen on its own. It's about more than just cheap. It also needs to be practical. It's not that yet. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Regan + 1,776 June 6, 2019 (edited) Doesn’t seem to jive with the wishes of Equinor to restart drilling in the heavily protected Barents Sea. I have drilled wells there and it’s not easy due to the very harsh environment and environmental restrictions due to greenies chaining themselves to the anchor chains etc🤔🤔 https://www.worldoil.com/news/2019/3/28/equinor-receives-consent-for-exploration-drilling-in-barents-north-sea Edited June 6, 2019 by James Regan 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill the Science Nerd said: This will not happen by 2050, it will happen by 2030 and through market forces alone. Most people will not see the difference as renewable energy takes over except their cars will perform better. I am afraid you are overly optimistic. Renewables plus natural gas can eliminate coal under ideal circumstances. Gasoline and diesel will remain as fuel beyond 2050 but I hope natural gas becomes the transportation fuel of choice. Only it can do the job for a lower price, clear the air around the world, and offer hundreds of years of supply beyond oil. China and India will continue coal use as long as it is seen as the least expensive fuel. Coal use has been UP the last couple of years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ceo_energemsier + 1,818 cv June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, ronwagn said: I am afraid you are overly optimistic. Renewables plus natural gas can eliminate coal under ideal circumstances. Gasoline and diesel will remain as fuel beyond 2050 but I hope natural gas becomes the transportation fuel of choice. Only it can do the job for a lower price, clear the air around the world, and offer hundreds of years of supply beyond oil. China and India will continue coal use as long as it is seen as the least expensive fuel. Coal use has been UP the last couple of years. China and India are going to keep on increasing the use of thermal coal for power generation and are building more/have built more coal fired power plants. tech also exists to upgrade the coal to a much less polluting and more BTU energy source in addition to coal to liquids fuel and coal to liquids petchem conversions that will be or are already competitively priced. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 June 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, ceo_energemsier said: China and India are going to keep on increasing the use of thermal coal for power generation and are building more/have built more coal fired power plants. tech also exists to upgrade the coal to a much less polluting and more BTU energy source in addition to coal to liquids fuel and coal to liquids petchem conversions that will be or are already competitively priced. I would appreciate any references. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 June 6, 2019 (edited) https://www.powermag.com/advanced-coal-technologies-improve-emissions-and-efficiency-2/ Combined heat and power is something I have never seen discussed on this forum. It is an excellent way to avoid wasting heat energy potential. Â https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/innios-waukesha-gas-engines-provide-high-overall-efficiency-and-low-emissions-to-district-heating-plant-in-germany/ Â Edited June 6, 2019 by ronwagn added reference 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 June 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, ronwagn said: https://www.powermag.com/advanced-coal-technologies-improve-emissions-and-efficiency-2/ Combined heat and power is something I have never seen discussed on this forum. It is an excellent way to avoid wasting heat energy potential. Â https://www.powermag.com/press-releases/innios-waukesha-gas-engines-provide-high-overall-efficiency-and-low-emissions-to-district-heating-plant-in-germany/ Pretty hard to defeat the Carnot Cycle. Many have tried, many a project has died 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ceo_energemsier + 1,818 cv June 6, 2019 36 minutes ago, ronwagn said: I would appreciate any references. https://www.carbonbrief.org/iea-china-and-india-to-fuel-further-rise-in-global-coal-demand-in-2018 Â https://www.brookings.edu/blog/planetpolicy/2019/03/08/coal-is-king-in-india-and-will-likely-remain-so/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ceo_energemsier + 1,818 cv June 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, ceo_energemsier said: https://www.carbonbrief.org/iea-china-and-india-to-fuel-further-rise-in-global-coal-demand-in-2018 Â https://www.brookings.edu/blog/planetpolicy/2019/03/08/coal-is-king-in-india-and-will-likely-remain-so/ http://www.mining.com/coal-demand-seen-steady-through-2023-thanks-to-india-china-iea/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ceo_energemsier + 1,818 cv June 6, 2019 47 minutes ago, ronwagn said: I would appreciate any references. https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2019/01/23/coal-is-not-dead-china-proves-it/#615702d65fa6  http://www.mining.com/coal-demand-seen-steady-through-2023-thanks-to-india-china-iea/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/these-countries-are-driving-global-demand-for-coal/  https://www.worldcoal.org/coal-consumption-expected-increase-need-low-emission-technologies-has-never-been-greater  https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/03/31/global-coal-industry-isnt-going-anywhere-yet  https://www.sustainability-times.com/low-carbon-energy/coal-burning-in-china-and-india-has-seen-a-hike-in-co2-emissions/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Bill the Science Nerd said: RE will be cheap enough by 2025 that fossil plants will just be shut down. Which "RE" and where? The world, as I've pointed out before, is quite big and topographically diverse. Which means: 1. You can't have wind mills everywhere. 2. You can't have solar panels everywhere. 3. You simply do not have big rivers everywhere. Plus, even if your fantasy plays out (because all governments suddenly go crazy and ban them) and all fossil fuel plants are shut down by 2025, EVs have a long way to go before they compare with ICEs*Â on everything that matters. And then there is the tiny little issue of maritime transport, which accounts for 90% of international trade. Ninety percent, as per the IMO. Those cargo ships use diesel. Can we please be realistic about it? *This includes by far not just passenger cars but also trucks and various industrial transportation machines from tractors to mining whatevers. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 June 7, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Marina Schwarz said: Which "RE" and where? The world, as I've pointed out before, is quite big and topographically diverse. Which means: 1. You can't have wind mills everywhere. 2. You can't have solar panels everywhere. 3. You simply do not have big rivers everywhere.  And then there is the tiny little issue of maritime transport, which accounts for 90% of international trade. Ninety percent, as per the IMO. Those cargo ships use diesel. Can we please be realistic about it? *This includes by far not just passenger cars but also trucks and various industrial transportation machines from tractors to mining whatevers. Let's not forget fertilizers and insecticides, which are invariably made from fossil fuels. Meanwhile, I did my part for maritime here by trying to bring back the Yankee clipper. Let's face it, wind powered ships are far more likely than wind powered airplanes. Edited June 7, 2019 by Ward Smith Added link 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 June 7, 2019 21 hours ago, Marina Schwarz said: Oil demand needs to halve, gas use must drop by 10% and coal use needs to be all but eradicated by 2050 to achieve the goals of the Paris agreement to limit global warming, oil company Equinor said in its energy outlook on Thursday. Here. I can definitely see this happening without a major reduction in global population and even major-er consumption limits on everything, yep. Thank goodness the US is not party to that Paris nonsense! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 June 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Bill the Science Nerd said: This will not happen by 2050, it will happen by 2030 and through market forces alone. Most people will not see the difference as renewable energy takes over except their cars will perform better. What have you been smoking? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said: Thank goodness the US is not party to that Paris nonsense! Even those who are can't do it as fast as they need to. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 June 7, 2019 7 hours ago, James Regan said: Doesn’t seem to jive with the wishes of Equinor to restart drilling in the heavily protected Barents Sea. I have drilled wells there and it’s not easy due to the very harsh environment and environmental restrictions due to greenies chaining themselves to the anchor chains etc🤔🤔 https://www.worldoil.com/news/2019/3/28/equinor-receives-consent-for-exploration-drilling-in-barents-north-sea Very silly to 'chain' yourself to an anchor chain. It's way to easy to release the chain brake....Hello seabed!😆 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ward Smith said: Let's not forget fertilizers and insecticides, which are invariably made from fossil fuels. And plastics and synthetic fibres, and a thousand other things, yes. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marina Schwarz + 1,576 June 7, 2019 15 hours ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said: Who is "they"? Equinor and co. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites