Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

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One Word!

CRAPPIFORNIA!!!!

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

2 hours ago, ceo_energemsier said:

One Word!

CRAPPIFORNIA!!!!

Soon to be Methane Free!

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Gendered Language Like "Manhole" Will Soon Be Banned From Berkeley's City Codes The sad thing is these elected officials probable spent countless hours over several months making these decisions. Great time management 🙄

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

8 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Rich people won't tolerate being poisoned even though they are contributing to the environmental destruction.  They will use money to offload the pollution and misery onto the poor.

For example:

-Eat organic produce that reduces the productively of farmland (less total food, but the rich get organic).

-Drink bottled or filtered water instead of tap water of ever reducing quality.

-Use air filters and air conditioning.

-Live far away from the sources of pollution and wire in clean energy.

 

That is until the poor have had enough and they come for you!  The revolution will not be televised.

 

Okay, what is your definition of 'rich' and 'poor'?

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

9 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Rich people won't tolerate being poisoned even though they are contributing to the environmental destruction.  They will use money to offload the pollution and misery onto the poor.

For example:

-Eat organic produce that reduces the productively of farmland (less total food, but the rich get organic).

-Drink bottled or filtered water instead of tap water of ever reducing quality.

-Use air filters and air conditioning.

-Live far away from the sources of pollution and wire in clean energy.

 

That is until the poor have had enough and they come for you!  The revolution will not be televised.

 

You seem to be one of those in the camp which confuses success with wealth. Granted, those who are successful are usually wealthier than those that are not.

This being the case, should those successful people subject themselves to the trials and tribulations (tap water which everyone drank as a kid, no air conditioning, living in polluted areas) of those who are less successful and do not have options?

I would venture to guess that you are also in the 'entitled camp' where you feel that your are entitled to some of he wealth of the successful folks. This is simply stealing.

Even if someone is born with a 'silver spoon in their mouth', this does not indicate that they are successful simply because they were born into a better position than you or I, or that they somehow got to their position on the backs of others.

 

[Timothy OConnor + 4]

So, I happen to live in Berkeley. While banning natgas residential hookups is truly dumb policy, which the leftist loonies that run Berkeley are fairly well known for, I always find it a bit amusing when a bunch of flyover country people talk about how California is going to hell in a hand basket. The difference between California and many states is that we make so much money, we can afford to be stupid in certain ways.

Edited July 20, 2019 by Timothy OConnor

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On 7/18/2019 at 12:47 AM, Douglas Buckland said:

You are about to see serious legal battles over water rights. Decades ago California signed deals with other Western States so that they had access to a certain number of acre-feet of water from these states rivers and glaciers.

With the balloning populations in many of these states and recent dry years or less than normal snowpack coupled with California's mis-management of their own resources, the other Western states may not be willing to honor these deals.

Actually we have had record rain and snowfall over the last several years. If you look at our reservoirs, most are at 120-160% of normal capacity:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=rescond.pdf

So I guess you don't really know what you are talking about?

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34 minutes ago, Timothy OConnor said:

Actually we have had record rain and snowfall over the last several years. If you look at our reservoirs, most are at 120-160% of normal capacity:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=rescond.pdf

So I guess you don't really know what you are talking about?

So, because you've had record rains and snowfall for the past several years, after decades of drought and the resultant wildfires, you do not think that California is still pursuing their water rights contacts with other Western States?

California water management has been a joke for decades.

You apparently suffer from that same malady prevelant in the climate change community where you shorten the period of interest until it suits your theory.

It is YOU who doesn't have a clue and still has your head in the sand....in my humble opinion.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 7/19/2019 at 9:54 PM, Timothy OConnor said:

So, I happen to live in Berkeley. While banning natgas residential hookups is truly dumb policy, which the leftist loonies that run Berkeley are fairly well known for, I always find it a bit amusing when a bunch of flyover country people talk about how California is going to hell in a hand basket. The difference between California and many states is that we make so much money, we can afford to be stupid in certain ways.

California is ninth from the bottom as far as fiscal condition nationally. It has the largest homeless population. San Francisco is now known for its public defecation and urination problems. Most Californians do make a lot of money, but they have to spend that money primarily on housing that is overly expensive. If they can hold on to that real estate they can sell it and move to a much less expensive area where they will be considered wealthy. California is losing population, but is making up for that with illegal aliens who it is providing with free Medicare. 

I lived 37 years in California before moving out and winter there. Californians used to have a lot better lifestyle than they do today. 

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

California is ninth from the bottom as far as fiscal condition nationally. It has the largest homeless population. San Francisco is now known for its public defecation and urination problems. Most Californians do make a lot of money, but they have to spend that money primarily on housing that is overly expensive. If they can hold on to that real estate they can sell it and move to a much less expensive area where they will be considered wealthy. California is losing population, but is making up for that with illegal aliens who it is providing with free Medicare. 

I lived 37 years in California before moving out and winter there. Californians used to have a lot better lifestyle than they do today. 

If you google a bit you will find high school educated and below are leaving California while educated college folks are moving into California. Those educated folks are a lefty pest. Lol

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On 7/18/2019 at 2:33 PM, Enthalpic said:

Welfare programs could be vastly improved if the defense budget was cut.  Also, the US doesn't seem to care about debt at all so take care the people.  Welfare program spending is partially recouped though lowered crime and medical expenditures.

Letting people get welfare when they have 2 cars, cable TV, internet, cell phones..... yea no.  These people are not poor.  What is considered poor was middle class as little as 30 years ago.  Get the federal government 100% OUT of "welfare". State issue.  Same goes for Education.  Feds spend $70B, "employ" 5000 and teach ZERO children yet at same time since the department was founded, they have taken a heavy handed approach, USA school system has gone from #1 to ~#25.  Time for elimination.  What is better? 50 solutions or 1 solution?  50.  Always guaranteed to screw up somehow, so if you and I do screwup, and you and I will 100%, it is better to have another 49 solutions to point to the authoritarian dictator in charge.  Personally, it should not be a state issue either.  It should be a county issue or a shared $$$ issue and the county determines the curriculum. 

PS: Defense budget could be ZerO, zilch, de nada, 0 and we would still be going INTO debt.  It IS part of the problem, not the only problem.

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On 7/19/2019 at 8:11 PM, Timothy OConnor said:

Actually we have had record rain and snowfall over the last several years. If you look at our reservoirs, most are at 120-160% of normal capacity:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/reportapp/javareports?name=rescond.pdf

So I guess you don't really know what you are talking about?

No, you don't.  If you did, you would admit you must build EXTRA reservoirs for LOW rainfall years for when it does rain in excess.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

4 hours ago, Boat said:

If you google a bit you will find high school educated and below are leaving California while educated college folks are moving into California. Those educated folks are a lefty pest. Lol

California is last in high school graduation, fifteenth in  bachelors degrees and above. Not much to spout off about. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_educational_attainment

Edited July 22, 2019 by ronwagn
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[Enthalpic + 1,496]

1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

California is last in high school graduation, fifteenth in  bachelors degrees and above. Not much to spout off about. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_educational_attainment

"The American Community Survey is a large demographic survey collected throughout the year using mailed questionnaires, telephone interviews, and visits from Census Bureau field representatives to about 3.5 million household addresses annually, regardless of their legal immigration status. The survey does not measure graduation rates from a state's high schools, rather, it measures the percentage of adult residents with a high school diploma."

 

 

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5 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

"The American Community Survey is a large demographic survey collected throughout the year using mailed questionnaires, telephone interviews, and visits from Census Bureau field representatives to about 3.5 million household addresses annually, regardless of their legal immigration status. The survey does not measure graduation rates from a state's high schools, rather, it measures the percentage of adult residents with a high school diploma."

And yet, their graduation rate according to the California Department of Education is directly in line with what he posted from good ol' wikipedia and the "survey" .... https://www.cde.ca.gov/nr/ne/yr16/yr16rel38.asp Let me quote for you, " 82.3 percent graduated with their class in 2015.... The state's graduation rate has increased substantially since the class of 2010 posted a 74.7 percent rate."  Both are still DEAD last, just that CA isn't so far DEAD last anymore.  😜  They do beat out Puerto Rico now... 🏆

Speaking of Puerto Rico, time for a decision, statehood, or independence.  One or the other.  Should have happened at least 50 years ago. 

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On 7/17/2019 at 7:36 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

^ this.

From the California dot gov link above:

 

So the electric company should cut off ALL power generated for them by natural gas now, right? Cut about half of the electricity to Berzerkley off completely...

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

4 hours ago, SERWIN said:

So the electric company should cut off ALL power generated for them by natural gas now, right? Cut about half of the electricity to Berzerkley off completely...

Heh heh, time to walk the talk, Berkeley.  

Stop using those eeeevil methane hydrocarbons immediately.

Remember, electricity for air conditioners during the Dog Days of Summer is a socially irresponsible contributor to global warming.  Get your Virtue Signalling up to snuff and start sweating without air con.

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3 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Heh heh, time to walk the talk, Berkeley.  

Stop using those eeeevil methane hydrocarbons immediately.

Remember, electricity for air conditioners during the Dog Days of Summer is a socially irresponsible contributor to global warming.  Get your Virtue Signalling up to snuff and start sweating without air con.

Actually, CA is one of the few regions on earth who could go solar.  Even with air con. 

PS: Would love to watch what happens if the PNW/SW decided to use pumped hydro storage and stop subsidizing CA with cheap electricity via optimal wind sites and big hydro. 

[Sebastian Meana + 278]

While i'm the kind of person that believes burning Gas is wasteful (there's so much wonderful stuff you can do with natural gas) if California can't deliver electricity at laughable prices like 40$ a MWh the only kind of people that is affected is the normal working man that now has to pay more to heat their homes

As far is i know all natural gas that isn't being consumed is burned anyway, the only thing prohibiting residential gas consumption would do is increase flaring in the petroleum fields

Edited August 1, 2019 by Sebastian Meana