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So as the title suggests I am curious as to Gretta Thunberg the 16 year old climate change protesters ' zero carbon' voyage across the Atlantic.

Firstly all power too her for her strength of character and courage in her convictions and unlike Aron Banks I wish her well with her trans Atlantic sailing trip.

My question is as I suspect very little in this world is infact zero carbon. 

Does anyone know what is the carbon foot print of manufacturing a 60 foot carbon fibre racing yacht ?

I suspect she might have been ill advised here as I know carbon fibre needs to be heated under pressure in an auto clave ( Using lots of energy ) I would also suspect a racing yachts manufacture is very energy and labour intensive.

Once more I would suspect a racing yachts life cycle is much shorter than a GRP cruising yacht.

Would be interested in anyone's thoughts here.

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1 hour ago, Auson said:

So as the title suggests I am curious as to Gretta Thunberg the 16 year old climate change protesters ' zero carbon' voyage across the Atlantic.

Firstly all power too her for her strength of character and courage in her convictions and unlike Aron Banks I wish her well with her trans Atlantic sailing trip.

My question is as I suspect very little in this world is infact zero carbon. 

Does anyone know what is the carbon foot print of manufacturing a 60 foot carbon fibre racing yacht ?

I suspect she might have been ill advised here as I know carbon fibre needs to be heated under pressure in an auto clave ( Using lots of energy ) I would also suspect a racing yachts manufacture is very energy and labour intensive.

Once more I would suspect a racing yachts life cycle is much shorter than a GRP cruising yacht.

Would be interested in anyone's thoughts here.

Bear in mind that yacht probably has a 30 year life span even when its competitive racing career has ended. You cant attribute all the imbedded carbon in the build to Greta's single trip.

Whether you agree or not with her campaign at least as a sixteen year old she has interests beyond X factor, Love Island, the Kardashians or some other reality TV Drivel.

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5 hours ago, NickW said:

Bear in mind that yacht probably has a 30 year life span even when its competitive racing career has ended. You cant attribute all the imbedded carbon in the build to Greta's single trip.

Whether you agree or not with her campaign at least as a sixteen year old she has interests beyond X factor, Love Island, the Kardashians or some other reality TV Drivel.

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I did say all power too her. Its great what she's doing I just object to the zero carbon bit. Especially as the yacht is full carbon ! I doubt the yacht will be in use for 30 years. Its a bare racer so will only get used while its still competitive. Just my thoughts. As I said I could be wrong.

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14 hours ago, Auson said:

So as the title suggests I am curious as to Gretta Thunberg the 16 year old climate change protesters ' zero carbon' voyage across the Atlantic.

Its a valid point - a timber boat would have served her aim better.. you could certainly have argued that a timber boat is renewable. But I think you'll find that only a very few are made each year and they would cost a lot more than the fibreglass variety, so she wouldn't have much choice. However, I agree that it jars. Much the same point could be made about the safety gear (life jackets, rafts, etc) which she would be required to carry as well as the mandated navigational and communications devices. Don't think sat phones are zero emissions.  Come to think of it, what's the rigging and sails on the boat made of - nylon or natural fibre and who would make natural fibre these days? She might cause fewer emissions by buying a plane ticket. 

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Publicity stunt, with a massive carbon footprint ignored by the fawning, adoring media who shove climate armageddon panic down our throats with gusto.

Crew of Five Are Flying To New York To Bring Greta’s Boat Back

Bjorn Lomborg has picked up on this story from the German news site, Taz:

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https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1162311408144531457?s=20

This is the translation from the Taz story:

BERLIN taz | Climate activist Greta Thunberg causes more greenhouse gas emissions from her sailing trip from the United Kingdom to the United States than if she had flown. About five employees would sail the yacht back to Europe, said Andreas Kling, spokesman for Thunberg skipper Boris Herrmann, on Thursday the taz. 
"Of course, they fly over there, that’s no different," says Kling. Herrmann will also take the plane for the return journey. The sailing trip triggers at least six climate-damaging air travel across the Atlantic. If Thunberg had flown with her father, only two would have been necessary to come to New York.

According to the atmosfair emissions calculator, a flight from New York to Hamburg has a climate impact of around 1,800 kilograms of carbon dioxide. That is more than three quarters of what every person is entitled to each year if global warming is to be stopped at 2 degrees. 

Because flights are so damaging to the climate, Thunberg had been looking for a better way to travel to the United Nations Climate Change Summit in New York in September. On Wednesday afternoon, the 16-year-old struck aboard the high-sea yacht "Malizia II" together with the two professional sailors Herrmann and Pierre Casiraghi and their father Svante and a filmmaker in the southern English town of Plymouth. The ship is powered by the wind, electricity for navigation and communication is generated by solar cells.

The press spokesperson for the Fridays for Future activist was unable to reach an opinion on the carbon footprint of the sailing trip until the copy deadline. Skipper spokesman Kling admitted that the departure with hundreds of journalists, supporters and spectators in Plymouth had a carbon footprint. "It would have been less greenhouse gas emissions if we had not made this departure," Kling said. "Of course it would have been more environmentally friendly not to draw attention to the fact that we urgently need to do something against the climate crisis. But if nobody points out, then we do not do anything. " 

When asked if it would not have been more climate-friendly if Thunberg had travelled on a container ship, Kling replied: "This is a thought that is actually being considered for the return to Europe."

https://taz.de/Thunbergs-Segelreise-in-die-USA/!5615733/

 

This proves that Thunberg’s decision to sail by racing yacht had nothing whatsoever to do with saving emissions, and was no more than a silly publicity stunt.

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8 hours ago, Auson said:

 

I did say all power too her. Its great what she's doing I just object to the zero carbon bit. Especially as the yacht is full carbon ! I doubt the yacht will be in use for 30 years. Its a bare racer so will only get used while its still competitive. Just my thoughts. As I said I could be wrong.

Well that carbon is essentially sequestered! :)

Don't assume carbon fiber has a short lifespan.  I've owned several carbon fiber racing bicycles and they last a long time - they don't rust like steel or have fatigue fractures like aluminum. 

Not saying this particular boat will last, but it's possible.

 

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The Green Team is simply using this young girl as a 'face' for their propaganda. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Does this young lady understand the controversy and science involved in the debate regarding climate change and the proposed financials to fix the problem if it actually exists?

 

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Miss Thundergs striving to become Nongqawuse of the Climate Cargo Cult... 

(I sure hope madness of crowds will break over people’s pragmatism when it comes to their pockets)

http://www.siyabona.com/eastern-cape-xhosa-cattle-killing.html

funny observation - blaming Russians have a long history... 

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21 hours ago, Auson said:

Nick W

I did say all power too her. Its great what she's doing I just object to the zero carbon bit. Especially as the yacht is full carbon ! I doubt the yacht will be in use for 30 years. Its a bare racer so will only get used while its still competitive. Just my thoughts. As I said I could be wrong.

Perhaps low carbon would have been a better choice of words.

You can always convert a bare racer to a cruiser racer. Great day / weekend boat

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12 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Publicity stunt, with a massive carbon footprint ignored by the fawning, adoring media who shove climate armageddon panic down our throats with gusto.

Crew of Five Are Flying To New York To Bring Greta’s Boat Back

Bjorn Lomborg has picked up on this story from the German news site, Taz:

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https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1162311408144531457?s=20

This is the translation from the Taz story:

BERLIN taz | Climate activist Greta Thunberg causes more greenhouse gas emissions from her sailing trip from the United Kingdom to the United States than if she had flown. About five employees would sail the yacht back to Europe, said Andreas Kling, spokesman for Thunberg skipper Boris Herrmann, on Thursday the taz. 
"Of course, they fly over there, that’s no different," says Kling. Herrmann will also take the plane for the return journey. The sailing trip triggers at least six climate-damaging air travel across the Atlantic. If Thunberg had flown with her father, only two would have been necessary to come to New York.

According to the atmosfair emissions calculator, a flight from New York to Hamburg has a climate impact of around 1,800 kilograms of carbon dioxide. That is more than three quarters of what every person is entitled to each year if global warming is to be stopped at 2 degrees. 

Because flights are so damaging to the climate, Thunberg had been looking for a better way to travel to the United Nations Climate Change Summit in New York in September. On Wednesday afternoon, the 16-year-old struck aboard the high-sea yacht "Malizia II" together with the two professional sailors Herrmann and Pierre Casiraghi and their father Svante and a filmmaker in the southern English town of Plymouth. The ship is powered by the wind, electricity for navigation and communication is generated by solar cells.

The press spokesperson for the Fridays for Future activist was unable to reach an opinion on the carbon footprint of the sailing trip until the copy deadline. Skipper spokesman Kling admitted that the departure with hundreds of journalists, supporters and spectators in Plymouth had a carbon footprint. "It would have been less greenhouse gas emissions if we had not made this departure," Kling said. "Of course it would have been more environmentally friendly not to draw attention to the fact that we urgently need to do something against the climate crisis. But if nobody points out, then we do not do anything. " 

When asked if it would not have been more climate-friendly if Thunberg had travelled on a container ship, Kling replied: "This is a thought that is actually being considered for the return to Europe."

https://taz.de/Thunbergs-Segelreise-in-die-USA/!5615733/

 

This proves that Thunberg’s decision to sail by racing yacht had nothing whatsoever to do with saving emissions, and was no more than a silly publicity stunt.

From a carbon emissions perspective she would have been best off to select an economy seat on a fully booked flight  in one of the most fuel efficient aircraft (787 / A350) .

Then off set the carbon emissions by paying to insulate a couple of poor peoples lofts . 

Wouldn't have got the publicity though. 

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23 hours ago, DanilKa said:

Miss Thundergs striving to become Nongqawuse of the Climate Cargo Cult... 

(I sure hope madness of crowds will break over people’s pragmatism when it comes to their pockets)

http://www.siyabona.com/eastern-cape-xhosa-cattle-killing.html

funny observation - blaming Russians have a long history... 

Turns out I wasn’t the first to draw analogy of the child prophet of Xhosa cattle killing - very thorough article on the subject of using children in climate catastrophism 

https://judithcurry.com/2019/07/29/child-prophets-and-proselytizers-of-climate-catastrophe/#more-25045

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On 8/17/2019 at 2:59 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

Publicity stunt, with a massive carbon footprint ignored by the fawning, adoring media who shove climate armageddon panic down our throats with gusto.

Crew of Five Are Flying To New York To Bring Greta’s Boat Back

Bjorn Lomborg has picked up on this story from the German news site, Taz:

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https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1162311408144531457?s=20

This is the translation from the Taz story:

BERLIN taz | Climate activist Greta Thunberg causes more greenhouse gas emissions from her sailing trip from the United Kingdom to the United States than if she had flown. About five employees would sail the yacht back to Europe, said Andreas Kling, spokesman for Thunberg skipper Boris Herrmann, on Thursday the taz. 
"Of course, they fly over there, that’s no different," says Kling. Herrmann will also take the plane for the return journey. The sailing trip triggers at least six climate-damaging air travel across the Atlantic. If Thunberg had flown with her father, only two would have been necessary to come to New York.

According to the atmosfair emissions calculator, a flight from New York to Hamburg has a climate impact of around 1,800 kilograms of carbon dioxide. That is more than three quarters of what every person is entitled to each year if global warming is to be stopped at 2 degrees. 

Because flights are so damaging to the climate, Thunberg had been looking for a better way to travel to the United Nations Climate Change Summit in New York in September. On Wednesday afternoon, the 16-year-old struck aboard the high-sea yacht "Malizia II" together with the two professional sailors Herrmann and Pierre Casiraghi and their father Svante and a filmmaker in the southern English town of Plymouth. The ship is powered by the wind, electricity for navigation and communication is generated by solar cells.

The press spokesperson for the Fridays for Future activist was unable to reach an opinion on the carbon footprint of the sailing trip until the copy deadline. Skipper spokesman Kling admitted that the departure with hundreds of journalists, supporters and spectators in Plymouth had a carbon footprint. "It would have been less greenhouse gas emissions if we had not made this departure," Kling said. "Of course it would have been more environmentally friendly not to draw attention to the fact that we urgently need to do something against the climate crisis. But if nobody points out, then we do not do anything. " 

When asked if it would not have been more climate-friendly if Thunberg had travelled on a container ship, Kling replied: "This is a thought that is actually being considered for the return to Europe."

https://taz.de/Thunbergs-Segelreise-in-die-USA/!5615733/

 

This proves that Thunberg’s decision to sail by racing yacht had nothing whatsoever to do with saving emissions, and was no more than a silly publicity stunt.

I am fully convinced that we need to care for climate, environment and reasonable use of ressources. But I am severely concerned about the numerous hysteric, ideological driven, "green climate protection" activities ongoing.

Some PR people behind Greta (PR company of Ingmar Rentzhog) are strongly driven by profit interests, others by gaining more political power (green parties). Non of them cares about the economic and social consequences of their ideological driven climate activism with the goal to fuel ill-founded fears among large parts of the population.

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Before setting off, the 16-year-old Swede said she would simply “ignore” climate sceptics and that “there are always going to be people who don't understand or accept the united science.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/14/greta-thunberg-sets-us-carbon-neutral-yacht-says-doesnt-expect/amp/

Shameless that the AGW messiahs need to use a child to try and push their agenda.

"Before setting off from Plymouth, Thunberg accepted that solar yachts are not for everyone but says she was hoping to demonstrate there are alternatives to air travel."

Currently using Booking.com to sail to Australia to make crew change....

This really demonstrates the naivety and the way Thunberg is being manipulated, shame as I am sure she is committed to her ideals, however she is a puppet for a much more sinister organisations which exist in this new business model based on profit for the few.

“It’s a really ironic first market for carbon capture technology. Oil companies willing to make more oil which is not good for the climate are actually a really important initial application for technology designed exactly for the purpose of reducing carbon emissions and cleaning them up.”

Lots of flip flopping going on, they need the oil companies to assist them to decimate the oil industry and the products that are keeping this planet turning, currently ready to jump out of the window (Ground floor).

Most definitely in denial and will continue to do so until an iceberg floats past Copa Cabana and Christ the Redeemer blasts off into orbit (Zero Emissions) as he would obviously just lift off being a provider of miracles.

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10 hours ago, James Regan said:

Before setting off, the 16-year-old Swede said she would simply “ignore” climate sceptics and that “there are always going to be people who don't understand or accept the united science.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/14/greta-thunberg-sets-us-carbon-neutral-yacht-says-doesnt-expect/amp/

Shameless that the AGW messiahs need to use a child to try and push their agenda.

"Before setting off from Plymouth, Thunberg accepted that solar yachts are not for everyone but says she was hoping to demonstrate there are alternatives to air travel."

Currently using Booking.com to sail to Australia to make crew change....

This really demonstrates the naivety and the way Thunberg is being manipulated, shame as I am sure she is committed to her ideals, however she is a puppet for a much more sinister organisations which exist in this new business model based on profit for the few.

“It’s a really ironic first market for carbon capture technology. Oil companies willing to make more oil which is not good for the climate are actually a really important initial application for technology designed exactly for the purpose of reducing carbon emissions and cleaning them up.”

Lots of flip flopping going on, they need the oil companies to assist them to decimate the oil industry and the products that are keeping this planet turning, currently ready to jump out of the window (Ground floor).

Most definitely in denial and will continue to do so until an iceberg floats past Copa Cabana and Christ the Redeemer blasts off into orbit (Zero Emissions) as he would obviously just lift off being a provider of miracles.

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Is Cachaca carbon neutral ? Anyone who knows Cachaca knows its rocket fuel so I could see this happening.

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7 minutes ago, Auson said:

Is Cachaca carbon neutral ? Anyone who knows Cachaca knows its rocket fuel so I could see this happening.

It’s definitely rocket 🚀 fuel, and I guess a renewable, many Fuscas (VW Beetles) have been bailed out in pinga....

Showing the legendary 51 Cachaca at a Dollar 50 a bottle.....

when I was crew changing from Brasil I would bring it back to Scotland and put it in a big mixture for all to consume we called it the Party Wrecker as it always made people fall out for some reason 👌🏻

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