'No - Deal Brexit' vs 'Operation Fear' Globalist Pushback ... Impact to World Economies and Oil

[Guest]

Johnson would quite happily be known as Mr. No Deal I think.

''You're not willing to talk?  Ok, see ya ...  you want 39 what?''

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

What pray tell, is the obligatory minimum "fair tax" owed by the rich "to the benefit" of the middle class and the poor? 

I'm rich, you're poor, so I "owe" you money? 

Communist, much? Or is this still called socialist rather than that old fashioned word, theft? 

If a person hides his profits in a tax haven instead of paying taxes on these profits in his country, I think that this has nothing to do with socialism but with evading taxes. Some people may think that this is fair, I do not.

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8 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

What pray tell, is the obligatory minimum "fair tax" owed by the rich "to the benefit" of the middle class and the poor? 

I'm rich, you're poor, so I "owe" you money? 

Communist, much? Or is this still called socialist rather than that old fashioned word, theft? 

No person is superman that he deserves to be rich. There is no rationale that one person working as a IT professional gets 4 times the pay as that of a person working as supervisor in automobile manufacturing sector. The IT professional doesn't do 4 times tr amount or quality of work.

Similarly, the richness of poorness in various other fields depend on variety of factors, mostly political bias that tilts the economy to favour certain fields. This has to be corrected by political intervention as the problem of inequity arises due to political reasons.

Communism was right in many ways. The idea that communism was wrong and hence lost is incorrect. What lost was not communism but atheism. If atheism was not linked with communism, there would not be any capitalist country left today.

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11 minutes ago, kshithij Sharma said:

No person is superman that he deserves to be rich. There is no rationale that one person working as a IT professional gets 4 times the pay as that of a person working as supervisor in automobile manufacturing sector. The IT professional doesn't do 4 times tr amount or quality of work.

Similarly, the richness of poorness in various other fields depend on variety of factors, mostly political bias that tilts the economy to favour certain fields. This has to be corrected by political intervention as the problem of inequity arises due to political reasons.

Communism was right in many ways. The idea that communism was wrong and hence lost is incorrect. What lost was not communism but atheism. If atheism was not linked with communism, there would not be any capitalist country left today.

You win my "most unusual comment of the day" award.

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On 8/21/2019 at 9:44 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

I am always amused when people call me stupid.

Carry on...

That must mean that you think you are really smart.

Carry on...

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13 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said:

There is no rationale that one person working as a IT professional gets 4 times the pay as that of a person working as supervisor in automobile manufacturing sector. The IT professional doesn't do 4 times tr amount or quality of work.

Simply not supportable.  Consider that the auto company has very low profit margins and cannot pay the supervisor what the IT worker gets.  It's about how much value the person delivers for their organization and how much the organization can afford to pay them.  So why do you think IT workers make 4x what the supervisor in the automotive sector does, irrespective of quantity or quality?

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Oh Dear- Mr Tidy Beard put me on the Naughty Step earlier today- Time to watch my manners.

For those in the US, you won't get to understand Brexit unless you go onto some of the websites for Leave and Remain supporters. One thing which will become apparent to you is that there an awful lot of very intelligent, well educated, non racist Leavers and they absolutely hate being sterotyped as ill educated, xenophobes,' Little Englanders' or racist hooligans. (which is why us Remainers do it, and why I've had a double warning for doing so)

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50 minutes ago, Nick Lilley said:

One thing which will become apparent to you is that there an awful lot of very intelligent, well educated, non racist Leavers and they absolutely hate being sterotyped as ill educated, xenophobes,' Little Englanders' or racist hooligans. (which is why us Remainers do it, and why I've had a double warning for doing so)

So, to be clear, you know you're wrong and you purposely do it, to be a troll, then complain you've been reprimanded, for being a troll? That about sum it up there buckwheat? 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Nick Lilley said:

and they absolutely hate being sterotyped

 

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

So, to be clear, you know you're wrong and you purposely do it

Nick you need a hobby mate  ...  ''my mates at the football game say this...''     - cant argue with this Hitchens-like intelligence.

What a toxic individual, not gonna waste any more time

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[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nick Lilley said:

which is why us Remainers do it

''Americans can't possibly understand Brexit unless they look at Remain and Leave websites'' - not too patronising

Oh and bonus points for buckwheat

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59 minutes ago, DayTrader said:

 

you need a hobby mate

 

''my mates at the football game say this...''     - cant argue with this Hitchens-like intelligence

what a toxic individual, not gonna waste any more time

I agree with your sentiment about another interlocutor's posts here, unfortunately while "quoting", you've inadvertently attributed to me, things I've never said. 

Cheers

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

unfortunately while "quoting", you've inadvertently attributed to me, things I've never said. 

Haha sorry, was kinda requoting yes, oops, corrected now

Edited August 25, 2019 by Guest

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17 hours ago, kshithij Sharma said:

No person is superman that he deserves to be rich. There is no rationale that one person working as a IT professional gets 4 times the pay as that of a person working as supervisor in automobile manufacturing sector. The IT professional doesn't do 4 times tr amount or quality of work.

Similarly, the richness of poorness in various other fields depend on variety of factors, mostly political bias that tilts the economy to favour certain fields. This has to be corrected by political intervention as the problem of inequity arises due to political reasons.

Communism was right in many ways. The idea that communism was wrong and hence lost is incorrect. What lost was not communism but atheism. If atheism was not linked with communism, there would not be any capitalist country left today.

So many things to unpack, so little time. 

"No person is superman that he deserves to be rich". Full stop. Just in sports, I can name dozens of "supermen" who are head and shoulders above their peers, and their "peers" are light years above you. I personally played basketball years ago against an incredibly talented man who is in the top fifty all time NBA talents. This was long before he got drafted, but believe me, every person on the court knew who "Superman" was. By your illogic, since he never was superior, he never should have made more, worked harder and contributed more to the sport he loved than Joe Six-pack riding the bench. 

Your (non) thinking is the textbook reason communism is always doomed to failure. Don't reward excellence and mediocrity is now your upper limit, if lucky. The more it fails the more its acolytes squeal that they only need MORE to fix it. More countries, more power, more control, more enslavement, it's bound to function eventually. 

Next in your litany of errors, you (falsely) conclude that an IT person is not 4 times more valuable than a supervisor. Again, clearly uninformed and showing abysmal ignorance of the state of the art in auto manufacturing, which is not a sweat and blood Industry but completely run BY TECHNOLOGY! The Henry Ford model of placing human beings into mind numbing automaton roles has (rightly) been replaced by using Actual automatons to do the mind numbing tasks. 

Your "supervisor" who I hope is smarter than you, is not the one to program nor establish the infrastructure and communication protocols needed to make those exceptionally valuable (and expensive) automatons operate functionally and efficiently. So yes, you're wrong that they're not worth 4x the supervisor. Given the disparate output capacity and even a casual understanding of economics, one would be compelled to agree the "IT person" is likely worth 100 times the supervisor value. 

 

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On 8/24/2019 at 1:35 PM, Ward Smith said:

What pray tell, is the obligatory minimum "fair tax" owed by the rich "to the benefit" of the middle class and the poor? 

I'm rich, you're poor, so I "owe" you money? 

Communist, much? Or is this still called socialist rather than that old fashioned word, theft? 

Doesn't the church ask for 10% income in tithes?  I don't think God would allow for write-offs or loopholes so let's call it gross income.

Then let the church / government take care of the destitute; that is after you provide for all your extended family who are in need. 

Let's call it the old fashioned word "charity."

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11 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Doesn't the church ask for 10% income in tithes?  I don't think God would allow for write-offs or loopholes so let's call it gross income.

Then let the church / government take care of the destitute; that is after you provide for all your extended family who are in need. 

Let's call it the old fashioned word "charity."

Were you in church today? Or do you only play Christan on message boards? I'm guessing I've given more to charity than you ever have. I'd certainly rather have the option of doing it myself than having the govt, or God-forbid You, choose the recipients. 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Ward Smith

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35 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Your (non) thinking is the textbook reason communism is always doomed to failure. Don't reward excellence and mediocrity is now your upper limit, if lucky.

 

I literally have wrote essays on that topic (had to get a minimum of arts credits).  Got great grades on them too because the professor was obviously communist.

In short, if we didn't create class structures people would enjoy contributing to society for it's inherit enjoyment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

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4 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Were you in church today? Or do you only play Christan on message boards? I'm guessing I've given more to charity than you ever have. I'd certainly rather have the option of doing it myself than having the govt, or God-forbid You, choose the recipients. 

I used a question mark.  I'm certainly no beacon of faith.  It was mostly a insensitive dig in that maybe there is a "non-communist minimum amount"

 

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12 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

I'm guessing I've given more to charity than you ever have. I'd certainly rather have the option of doing it myself than having the govt, or God-forbid You, choose the recipients. 

I give to charity, not huge amount but regular. 

I also pay a lot of taxes and have no children - I'm a net contributer.

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Short excerpt below, full article in the link:

President Trump and Prime Minister Boris Johnson Discuss “Big Trade Deal”

The structure of the global trade reset is visible.  The China decoupling is underway; the scale of this geopolitical dynamic is incredible.

KORUS (Korea-US) is in the books; the North American USMCA is complete, pending ratification; the EU has agreed to purchase U.S. beef exports; and effective today the Japan-US deal is agreed in principle (sans auto and industrial products TBD).  Now President Trump is working on a post-Brexit UK-US bilateral package.

 

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[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

A picture says 1,000 words.

'You Get Nothing' - Johnson Refuses To Pay Brexit Divorce Bill If No Deal With EU

With this weekend's G-7 Summit in Biarritz winding down UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson confirmed something that has been bandied about in the British press for weeks, if not months:He warned that, if no deal on the withdrawal agreement is struck, the UK would refuse to pay the £39 billion ($47.9 billion) divorce settlement that it's treaty bound to pay. 

According to the FT, ahead of a meeting at the G7 summit in Biarritz with European Council President Donald Tusk, the prime minister said that while the chances of a revised Brexit withdrawal agreement being finalized were "improving," the process remained "touch and go."

Reuters reports that Johnson is planning to pitch Tusk on the possibility that the UK pay up only a small fraction of the money - some £10 billion - if the UK leaves without a deal.  ...

[Guest]

"I think what the entire European Union understands is that if we come out without a deal then...the 39 billion is no longer legally pledged," Johnson told Sky News, when asked if he had told EU leaders this week he planned to withhold the money. 

"As I’ve said many, many times we will therefore on November 1 have very substantial sums available from that 39 billion to spend on supporting our farmers...and indeed for investment in all sorts of areas."

Most of the £39 billion stems from EU budget commitments that the UK had made, but not yet fulfilled, including contributions to EU staff pensions. The EU insists that the UK is still obligated to make the payments. Johnson, unlike his predecessor, has said that the money could be used like a bargaining chip in the negotiations over the backstop.

 

.... Doesn't seem like they understand Boris. Oh well

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[Guest]

''French President Macron has scheduled summit priorities around gender studies, global inequities, climate issues and planetary justice. However, the majority of international media focus will likely be on President Trump and Boris Johnson’s economic discussions.''  LOL

 

 

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4 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Short excerpt below, full article in the link:

President Trump and Prime Minister Boris Johnson Discuss “Big Trade Deal”

The structure of the global trade reset is visible.  The China decoupling is underway; the scale of this geopolitical dynamic is incredible.

KORUS (Korea-US) is in the books; the North American USMCA is complete, pending ratification; the EU has agreed to purchase U.S. beef exports; and effective today the Japan-US deal is agreed in principle (sans auto and industrial products TBD).  Now President Trump is working on a post-Brexit UK-US bilateral package.

 

...

 

 

UK will have to buy lots of hormone beef and clorine chicken from US in order to balance the GBP 50 bn UK trade deficit with US.

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Lots of ultra-conservative dreaming. UK will never become the US door for toll-free access to EU.

UK leaving the common UK market will be a threat for UK. Many of the poor and middle-class people will have to pay the bill. Lots of well-payed jobs in the automotive and finance industries were already lost  during the 3 years of Brexit drama. And this will get much worse. Boris Johnson is fully aware of this. This is why he is still negotiating with the EU in order to get a deal. 

Today, UK has a trade deficit with US of about GBP 50 bn. President Trump will only be happy to force UK to buy lots of hormone beef and chlorinated chicken from US in order to balance the deficit. America first. Only US will win.

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26 minutes ago, DocManfred said:

UK leaving the common UK market will be a threat for UK.

Umm, Okie dokey