'No - Deal Brexit' vs 'Operation Fear' Globalist Pushback ... Impact to World Economies and Oil

[Guest]

Bonus points however for use of the word 'bungling'

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

3 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

 

[Alex Palamas + 52]

25 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Bwahahahaha ... First time I have ever been labeled as spam.  I have written over 15,000 comments (and a few dozen full articles) about oil & gas in the last 5 years.  Being labeled as spam amuses me immensely.

Hey @CMOP and @Selvedina any chance I can get a "spam" trophy?  

Or at least a "Life of Brian" trophy?

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life | Eric Idle | Stereo HQ

Bwahahahaaa is very precisely what I felt when I read your rotten tomato Tom!! Now, dont forget an "author" of such eminence as you is easy to dissect intellectually.. Hard not to notice the monolithic subject, tabloid style and verbally assassinating context of your text my friend.. Hard not to notice the prolific activity of yours on subjects that reverberate to the intellectually challenged.. Hard not to notice when you started contributing your well-researched moronisms.. Hard not to notice that your job is trolling.. Nothing against any job personally, especially those that keep the compact majority pleased  keep it on!!   

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

1 minute ago, Alex Palamas said:

Bwahahahaaa is very precisely what I felt when I read your rotten tomato Tom!! Now, dont forget an "author" of such eminence as you is easy to dissect intellectually.. Hard not to notice the monolithic subject, tabloid style and verbally assassinating context of your text my friend.. Hard not to notice the prolific activity of yours on subjects that reverberate to the intellectually challenged.. Hard not to notice when you started contributing your well-researched moronisms.. Hard not to notice that your job is trolling.. Nothing against any job personally, especially those that keep the compact majority pleased  keep it on!!   

"Well-researched moronisms"

I'm stealing that, thank you very much  : )

[Alex Palamas + 52]

21 minutes ago, DayTrader said:

Any specific valid examples or just insults? Someone has an opinion you don't agree with so it's spam lol

Are u bolding the letters for impact? My opinion on the piece is low and I expressed my opinion, how bad is that?? The text is devoid of any serious commentary anyway plus it doesnt have itself anything of substance other than bungling (thanx for liking) statements, lets face it.. This is tabloid material why not just accept it and move on? Do you think that you are trying to convince anybody who is smart? You know better than me who reads these so why just not open about it?

[Guest]

Sorry I didn't realise using bold type was only for 'impact'.

''Why not just accept it and move on''  - from the guy still ranting about it

And yes, 'moronisms' is a belter too.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Guest

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

2 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

Are u bolding the letters for impact? My opinion on the piece is low and I expressed my opinion, how bad is that?? The text is devoid of any serious commentary anyway plus it doesnt have itself anything of substance other than bungling (thanx for liking) statements, lets face it.. This is tabloid material why not just accept it and move on? Do you think that you are trying to convince anybody who is smart? You know better than me who reads these so why just not open about it?

You write unusual English.

Perchance are you Chinese?

My wife is Chinese and her idiosyncratic English is strikingly similar to your odd word usage.

Just sayin.

[Alex Palamas + 52]

12 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

You write unusual English.

Perchance are you Chinese?

My wife is Chinese and her idiosyncratic English is strikingly similar to your odd word usage.

Just sayin.

hahaa, great no I am not Chinese at all, v far from their gene pool as well as geographically.. You are assassinating the word idiosyncrasy in the context that you use it by the way but does it even matter? Also it makes sense to your readership (haaaaaa) to label me as a Chinese agent so my ploy to insult your wizardry is finally exposed?? hahaaa thanx, I should go back to some meaningful work, but thank you guys, reading your stuff is a delirious psychedelic trip.. 

Edited August 21, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

15 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

hahaa, great no I am not Chinese at all, v far from their gene pool as well as geographically.. You are assassinating the word idiosyncrasy in the context that you use it by the way but does it even matter?

 

 

/ side note, I think Pompeo is a jerk.  Why Trump keeps him on is beyond me.

 

[Alex Palamas + 52]

7 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

/ side note, I think Pompeo is a jerk.  Why Trump keeps him on is beyond me.

You disappoint me I was expecting a Nigel from you.. But your joke was v smart either way..

7 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

 

 

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

1 minute ago, Alex Palamas said:

You disappoint me I was expecting a Nigel from you.. But your joke was v smart either way..

I am always amused when people call me stupid.

Carry on...

[Alex Palamas + 52]

5 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

I am always amused when people call me stupid.

Carry on...

Who called you stupid my friend? Is it the right time now in order to degrade someone who is anti-trolling you to play the insulted victim? I have not called you stupid.. I was using the Ibsen quote to perhaps explain why the "supreme leader" keeps Pompeo..

Edited August 21, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Nick Lilley + 6]

Sure that there will be lots of money to be made in the UK by those of us sharp enough but the free market buccaneers who will be raking it in are a different breed from the semi literate racists who infest the council estates of the UK, claim benefits and voted Brexit because they don't like having neighbours of a different nationality next door.

[Alex Palamas + 52]

15 minutes ago, Nick Lilley said:

Sure that there will be lots of money to be made in the UK by those of us sharp enough but the free market buccaneers who will be raking it in are a different breed from the semi literate racists who infest the council estates of the UK, claim benefits and voted Brexit because they don't like having neighbours of a different nationality next door.

Dont say the truth, u will be banned or attacked.. This blog feels like a specialised extension of the Daily Mail or The Sun.. One interesting point for discussion is how people with low  academic or ethical education and socioeconomic profile, go and vote for toffs that have brought them to this exact point of social misery inequality and lack of any creativity and ingenuity.. This is the most striking obs for me in UK society.. How the person u describe above votes nigel or rees-mogg.. amazing.. I guess answer is complex and really found in the lack of education, i mean true education that liberates the person and makes us free, creative, productive and able to seek material and intellectual wealth.. I guess many people in UK just blindly trust and obey the toffs because "they deserve it".. it is perhaps quite lutheran..

 

Edited August 21, 2019 by Alex Palamas

[Nick Lilley + 6]

I'm originally from Stoke, Brexit capital of the UK and I can assure everyone that for the most poverty stricken of the white working classes, the Brexit vote was a vote against multi-culturalism  and everything they don't like about current UK  society.

One very interesting thing is that the main things they don't like are nothing to do with the EU but are home grown  or US imports- political correctness 'gone mad', LGBT rights, churches being converted in mosques etc. Still, I live in London now so can sit back amused as their factories close and they become ever more dependent on the state for support.

[Rebel44 + 7]

OPs level of understanding of issues (economy, NI border, etc.) around impact of no-deal Brexit is somewhere around the absolute zero.

About 48% of UK export is to the EU and most products dont have margins that would allow producers to absorb WTO tariffs and if they raise their prices they will be uncompetitive. The UK service providers will be flat out banned from proving services in the EU. This means a huge economic hit for the UK - much larger than what any EU country will suffer. At the same time, over the past decade we have also seen a severe degradation of UK capabilities to deal with large scale disruptions (number of cops, stockpiles of critical goods, staffing of NHS hospitals, etc.).

No-deal will require a hard border in the NI and the UK doesnt have resources to properly deal with this while also dealing with everything else Brexit related. 

No trade treaty with the USA (which they didnt even start officially negotiating - and these things take years to make) will become effective untill it passes House + Senate and is signed by POTUS. Anything opposed by Democrats is doomed to be voted down in the House.

[Kit Moore + 50]

I voted Brexit.  I don't live in a council house, take welfare and have a high IQ (tested). Don't lump me in with your bigoted views, it is childish and shortsighted and speaks of your own means.

I voted Brexit for many reasons, none of them to do with multiculturalism, which I wholly support.  I live amongst a wide variety of cultures and people who are a lot more open and friendly than you seem to be.

Don't come on here and insult people you don't know ("semi literate racists who infest the council estates of the UK"), it is rude and demonstrates narrow-mindedness.

If you are open to discussion on why people chose to vote to leave the EU, I would be more than happy to discuss in an intelligent manner, which this forum consistently demonstrates.

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

19 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

If I recall correctly, there was some discussion about the passport being issued by UK.

Sorry, but no. 

All this story about is that "member of European Union" is now removed from British pass-ports - i.e. meaningless symbolism; I guess the deeper symbolism that Nigel Farage was going for control over borders, but is not rooted in any form of facts and I unfortunately do not have to for this discussion now. Easy points is what he was going for.... 

what is disappointing that @DocManfred earlier in this thread posted some very factual comments, but you completed disregarded them (a duck-duck-go search would have revealed FACTS) I speculate that you just wanted to drive some sort of agenda. 

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NB! I think brexit is a bad idea. But also think that the decision is made and the EU and british parliament should be ashamed of themselfes for not insisting on a no-deal brexit earlier this year. 

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

15 hours ago, Nick Lilley said:

I'm originally from Stoke, Brexit capital of the UK and I can assure everyone that for the most poverty stricken of the white working classes, the Brexit vote was a vote against multi-culturalism  and everything they don't like about current UK  society.

One very interesting thing is that the main things they don't like are nothing to do with the EU but are home grown  or US imports- political correctness 'gone mad', LGBT rights, churches being converted in mosques etc. Still, I live in London now so can sit back amused as their factories close and they become ever more dependent on the state for support.

I agree with you re brexit, but I can not see how people suffering can be amusing? 

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

2 hours ago, Kit Moore said:

If you are open to discussion on why people chose to vote to leave the EU, I would be more than happy to discuss in an intelligent manner

Although I am not British I would like your input to this discussion. I have difficulty understanding why people would not rather change the system from within?

[Kit Moore + 50]

The only way to not be ruled over by the EU is to not be part of it - that's not something we can change from within.  Either you are a member state and follow their rules, or you're not a member state.  Our highest judge in the land can make a decision based on years of experience, and an EU judge can wander up and go "Nope, you're not doing that." 

These rules are created by some bloke (or woman, now) I cannot vote for, and cannot change.  They also receive a stupid amount of money, which I can't change.  I know we cannot change what our MPs are paid and there was uproar not long ago when they got a 10% pay rise and our public sector workers had 1%.  MPs get paid more than our emergency service staff which I find horrific.  However, at least I can choose who represents me.  With the EU I have to suck it up.

The EU is famed for an incredible amount of red tape and stupid rules, like limiting the power on a vacuum cleaner.  Yes - they did that.

That's two of the reasons I voted to leave.

[Rasmus Jorgensen + 1,169]

16 minutes ago, Kit Moore said:

The only way to not be ruled over by the EU is to not be part of it - that's not something we can change from within.  Either you are a member state and follow their rules, or you're not a member state.  Our highest judge in the land can make a decision based on years of experience, and an EU judge can wander up and go "Nope, you're not doing that." 

only in certain areas of legislation. which has to be agreed to. 

17 minutes ago, Kit Moore said:

these rules are created by some bloke (or woman, now) I cannot vote for, and cannot change. 

No. rules are in part created by the European parliament where you can choose who sits there. Plus EU legislation is mostly framework with wide possibillity for interpretation by the national parliament. 

21 minutes ago, Kit Moore said:

The EU is famed for an incredible amount of red tape and stupid rules, like limiting the power on a vacuum cleaner.  Yes - they did that.

I agree on this. 

However, could same not be said for most government ? 

[Kit Moore + 50]

1 minute ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

only in certain areas of legislation. which has to be agreed to. 

We are completely bound by all the rules we agreed to when we became a member state, we can't pick and choose which rules we want to follow.  My point on this was the fact that we cannot change this from within our own government, we can either follow all the rules - or none of them.

 

2 minutes ago, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

EU legislation is mostly framework with wide possibillity for interpretation by the national parliament

This is true.  However, take the Utilities Procurement legislation which our public bodies must follow.  The down side is that it is almost impossible to arrange a direct energy procurement and follow all the rules.  The only way is to use the EU process which we are forced to, and create a framework from that which is completely unnecessary.  The regulation process does not allow for the fact that energy is a commodity and prices change on a daily basis.  All you should need for an energy procurement is show transparency and value for money, not a massively complex set of rules which has a different set of rules for any procedure you pick (Open, restricted, call off etc)

 

[DocManfred + 42]

49 minutes ago, Kit Moore said:

The only way to not be ruled over by the EU is to not be part of it - that's not something we can change from within.  Either you are a member state and follow their rules, or you're not a member state.  Our highest judge in the land can make a decision based on years of experience, and an EU judge can wander up and go "Nope, you're not doing that." 

These rules are created by some bloke (or woman, now) I cannot vote for, and cannot change.  They also receive a stupid amount of money, which I can't change.  I know we cannot change what our MPs are paid and there was uproar not long ago when they got a 10% pay rise and our public sector workers had 1%.  MPs get paid more than our emergency service staff which I find horrific.  However, at least I can choose who represents me.  With the EU I have to suck it up.

The EU is famed for an incredible amount of red tape and stupid rules, like limiting the power on a vacuum cleaner.  Yes - they did that.

That's two of the reasons I voted to leave.

Just found this video on the BBC webpage.

It shows that UK had and has almost full control about its laws and its money. And that the real motivation of the key promotors of Brexit is to protect the money of the very rich people in the UK tax havens (e.g. Rees-Moog, Farage, etc.). They do not want to be taxed fairly and to contribute to finance the public services (e.g. NHS) in UK. Have a look !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDFegpX5gI

 

[Kit Moore + 50]

Just now, DocManfred said:

almost full control about its laws and its money

Absolutely.  But then I wasn't speaking of our laws which we do indeed have the power to change.  I can also affect those laws through campaigns / voting etc.

What I cannot affect are all the rules the EU hands down from on high, we cannot pick and choose what EU rules we follow.  Apologies if I was not clear.

Your remark regarding tax havens is a little irrelevant, whether Brexit completes with a no deal, or a deal, or if there is a second referendum, there will always be tax havens they can put their money in.  The likes of Amazon and Starbucks are just as capable of it as any politician or movie star or footballer.