'No - Deal Brexit' vs 'Operation Fear' Globalist Pushback ... Impact to World Economies and Oil

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Alex Palamas said:

I understand why the average football-glued, beer-drinker feels personally violated by the ECJ..

Alex, I respect your opinions and we agree on some things it seems   All I will add here, and admittedly you've agreed to this, is that we get the hell out. I am genuinely bored of just the word 'Brexit' at this point. We voted leave, whether you agree or not, so let's leave. I do not see the point in people being involved in a democratic vote, then still bitching about the result years later and the people who voted differently to themselves. It defeats the point of being involved in a vote in the first place. 

2 hours ago, Alex Palamas said:

Brexit will affect me and will likely make my professional sector more challenging.. I am adapting for sometime now and hope my adaptation process pays back.. 

I wish your business all the best.

 

2 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Many people do not believe that the EU is either socially or politically attractive, and their opinion is just as valid as yours or mine, this does not make them ignorant.

I also do not see why this fact is not only disputed on here, but reasons are still wanted / needed for why people voted Leave. 

 

2 hours ago, Alex Palamas said:

people need to know real facts, need to know history and need to have true education that allows decisions based on logic.

Agreed, but Leavers should not have to justify their choice, years later, on a forum that's apparently about Oil. I'm bored of just the word 'Brexit' as I say.

Seriously.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Guest

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1 minute ago, DayTrader said:

Alex, I respect your opinions and we agree on some things it seems   All I will add here, and admittedly you've agreed to this, is that we get the hell out. I am genuinely bored of just the word 'Brexit' at this point. We voted leave, whether you agree or not, so let's leave. I do not see the point in people being involved in a democratic vote, then still bitching about the result years later and the people who voted differently to themselves. It defeats the point of being involved in a vote in the first place. 

I wish your business all the best.

 

I also do not see why this fact is not only disputed on here, but reasons are still wanted/needed for why people voted Leave. 

 

Agreed, but Leavers should not have to justify their choice, years later, on a forum that's apparently about Oil. I'm bored of just the word 'Brexit' as I say.

Seriously.

Precisely my friend!! I was drawn here, on a blog about oil, as I was just checking oil f@@@@@g price, I noticed a semi-delirious blog entry about Brexit!! I am also super-bored about the low-quality politics of the subject on both sides so get triggered reading yet another tabloid blog full of crap that I really feel are meaningless esp for this site.. Come on my friend, you are right about the foolishness of the subject and the never-ending dissection of the matter but why did u then cheerlead the post?? This is what I am saying!! ALL of us lets protest on crap and move on..   

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10 hours ago, DayTrader said:

''French President Macron has scheduled summit priorities around gender studies, global inequities, climate issues and planetary justice. However, the majority of international media focus will likely be on President Trump and Boris Johnson’s economic discussions.''  LOL

"The third day of the G7 Summit in Biarritz, France, has more bilateral discussions between U.S. President Donald Trump and international leaders outside the traditional ‘group of seven‘ construct.  The topics of Macron’s selected G7 group discussion include planetary sustainability, climate change, biodiversity, oceanography and aquatic justice."

 

"Aquatic justice" ?

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

Come on my friend, you are right about the foolishness of the subject and the never-ending dissection of the matter 

But 'moronisms' is truly a belter

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16 minutes ago, DayTrader said:

But 'moronisms' is truly a belter

When I contribute opinion in such esteemed media I use licentia poetica in my writings..

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

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5 hours ago, Alex Palamas said:

I agree with you, people with money owe nobody but those who choose to give.. I admire those who make money using creativity, brains and innovation.. Real problem is that voters and the average man are totally ignorant about financial liberty, personal freedom, politics or economics.. The concept of the EU or the UKs struggle to leave is irrelevant.. 

We should accept that there is no free market.. There is nanny-state corporate capitalism.. the plutocrats have bend the real free market to work for them by ensuring the state is doing the dirty job for them.. Meanwhile, our individual freedom, innovation and creativity is destroyed by taxes and govt intervention.. Problem is that most plutocrats did not work for it (there are glowing exceptions).. Most of them were placed in an uncompetitive position of strength by the state which is copulating with them to ensure govt and social stability.. 

This is not the fault of the EU and its relaxed super-national trade and coop rules, I think.. If we dont destroy the nanny-state, if we dont liberate free market off state intervention, if we dont prevent people with extreme wealth (often not created by innovation and creativity but handed down by family), then we cannot talk about true personal, social and political freedom..

Interesting that with all your foaming at the mouth trolling posts, you have this to say. You criticize UK for voting to leave, you smear those selfsame voters for having the audacity to disagree with you, calling them ignorant and yet you can write this beaut. 

I'm mystified. I've personally read articles by pro Brexit authors who evinced thoughts quite identical to what you've said above, with the minor exception that in those author's minds (and mine) the EU is just another more pervasive "nanny state". You're fooling yourself if you believe the EU uber wealthy want you to join their exclusive club. If you do manage to rise, through grit and determination, the EU will come up with rules, regulations and taxes to make sure you're not going to succeed. But hey, blame Brexit

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Interesting that with all your foaming at the mouth trolling posts, you have this to say. You criticize UK for voting to leave, you smear those selfsame voters for having the audacity to disagree with you, calling them ignorant and yet you can write this beaut. 

I'm mystified. I've personally read articles by pro Brexit authors who evinced thoughts quite identical to what you've said above, with the minor exception that in those author's minds (and mine) the EU is just another more pervasive "nanny state". You're fooling yourself if you believe the EU uber wealthy want you to join their exclusive club. If you do manage to rise, through grit and determination, the EU will come up with rules, regulations and taxes to make sure you're not going to succeed. But hey, blame Brexit

This is a rather unfair statement about what I have written.. I am not the fanatic here.. I react to what I consider ignorant statements yes but I am not a fanatic.. Before u fire at me pls spend sometime checking the essence of what I ve written..

It is extremely unfair to say that I have trolled.. This is really offensive given that this thread is so full of inaccuracies and hysteria, I have  reacted to some of it  strongly and I am accused of trolling.. I have tried v hard to state facts and articulate arguments.. 

What do u prefer, political correctness or say things as u feel?? If I think that people re-shuffle half-thruths and are ignorant should not I say so because I am apparently trolling?? I think It is archaic to express your disagreement with me by calling me a troll..  

Totally incorrect to say that I have criticised the UK to leave as well!! Pls read what I ve written!! I criticise people that take decisions and make statements based on ignorance, period.. I have criticised strongly and ironically written statements that I consider BS.. 

I have said again and again that I am completely backing Leave and the result of the referendum..

I totally accept and support someone who wants to go to a rave party albeit I prefer a jazz concert!! I just dont want to accept the raver trying to convince me that his music is better than mine based on subjective fallacies written in questionable newspapers.. for f@@k sake how difficult is to get simply understood.. I dont care about opinions, I care about the substance and the logic behind opinions.. I state mine here only to contribute to the debate and ensure that what I consider inaccurate is called out..

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

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23 hours ago, wrs said:

Simply not supportable.  Consider that the auto company has very low profit margins and cannot pay the supervisor what the IT worker gets.  It's about how much value the person delivers for their organization and how much the organization can afford to pay them.  So why do you think IT workers make 4x what the supervisor in the automotive sector does, irrespective of quantity or quality?

The low profit is because of political bias. The profit margins depend on various aspects like tax, petroleum conservation, foreign policy etc. IT is held as a job that is the hallmark of western countries due to the semiconductor technology being most advanced in western countries, mainly USA. As a result, western countries try to milk this monopoly as much as possible and hence the price of the IT services and goods (microchip, memory etc) are inflated. So, again here is a political bias

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

I'm mystified. I've personally read articles by pro Brexit authors who evinced thoughts quite identical to what you've said above, with the minor exception that in those author's minds (and mine) the EU is just another more pervasive "nanny state". You're fooling yourself if you believe the EU uber wealthy want you to join their exclusive club. If you do manage to rise, through grit and determination, the EU will come up with rules, regulations and taxes to make sure you're not going to succeed. But hey, blame Brexit

I think it is pretty clear from what I have written that I am not expecting anybody to accept me in their club.. I hate clubs whether popular, populist or elitist.. I prefer bright industrious individuals and workaholics with a passion for their innovative work..

I do not even contest that the EU is another nanny-state, albeit I see it as a perhaps less injurious institution than the UK system, with its well-fenced plutocrats, feudalists and unelected aristocrats pawning with the plebs, handing them benefits, football, beer and reality TV.. looking over them with endless CCTVs and keeping all of us who work under control using rampant criminality fed by lack of education, badly planned immigration (make the economy more competitive in the lowest of professions) and institutionalised inequality..

I only protest that voters should understand the essence of politics, economy and social stratification before they cast their vote and before they dare have strong opinions! I wish people understood what they say and why, thats all!! I cannot be easily convinced that the average Jo (that u seem to consider to be very capable, fine) has any real clue about  the decisions he is asked to vote for and I am not sure the average Jo has thought or understood much about the realities of his/her own govt and mechanisms of his/her society, let alone the EU.. I protest that people obtain their sociopolitical thinking from terrible newspapers and TV shows left and right!!  

  

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

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29 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

This is a rather unfair statement about what I have written.. I am not the fanatic here.. I react to what I consider ignorant statements yes but I am not a fanatic.. Before u fire at me pls spend sometime checking the essence of what I ve written..

It is extremely unfair to say that I have trolled.. This is really offensive and meaningless.. Come on man, this thread is so full of inaccuracies and hysteria, I have tried to react to some of it  strongly and I am accused of trolling.. I have tried v hard to state facts and articulate arguments..

Seriously, check what I say versus the endless tabloid blurbs of some others.. What do u prefer, political correctness or say things as u feel?? If I think that people re-shuffle half-thruths and are ignorant should not I say so because I am apparently trolling?? Saying that u disagree with my opinions is one thing but trolling is wildly inaccurate.. It is archaic to express your disagreement with me by calling me a troll..  

Totally incorrect to say that I have criticised the UK to leave as well!! Pls read what I ve written!! I criticise people that take decisions and make statements based on ignorance, period..

I have said again and again that I am completely backing Leave and the result of the referendum.. I totally accept and support someone who wants to go to a rave party albeit I prefer a jazz concert!! I just dont want to accept the raver trying to convince me that his music is better than mine based on subjective fallacies written in questionable newspapers.. for f@@k sake how difficult is to get simply understood.. I dont care about opinions, I care about the substance and the logic behind these opinions.. I state mine here only to contribute to the debate and ensure that what I consider inaccurate is called out..

Sorry mate, you can't have it both ways. Your own posts here, TROLLING a volunteer contributor, accusing him of being a tabloid author stands in stark contrast to your protestations of innocence and educated discourse. Disagree, by all means but follow the style of @Jan van Eck and wow us with your intellect, not your invective. 

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14 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Sorry mate, you can't have it both ways. Your own posts here, TROLLING a volunteer contributor, accusing him of being a tabloid author stands in stark contrast to your protestations of innocence and educated discourse. Disagree, by all means but follow the style of @Jan van Eck and wow us with your intellect, not your invective. 

Again, calling my antagonistic opinions trolling to defend bad quality material is archaic! State your disagreement but trolling is wildly inaccurate.. AM not trying to wow you or anybody, I read and react.. Would I be trolling if I stated that the Sun is tabloid?? Its the same principle, you want to hate me for antagonising your friend its fine but I have not trolled at all, I call out the boredom but I have not trolled!!

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

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19 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

So many things to unpack, so little time. 

"No person is superman that he deserves to be rich". Full stop. Just in sports, I can name dozens of "supermen" who are head and shoulders above their peers, and their "peers" are light years above you. I personally played basketball years ago against an incredibly talented man who is in the top fifty all time NBA talents. This was long before he got drafted, but believe me, every person on the court knew who "Superman" was. By your illogic, since he never was superior, he never should have made more, worked harder and contributed more to the sport he loved than Joe Six-pack riding the bench. 

Your (non) thinking is the textbook reason communism is always doomed to failure. Don't reward excellence and mediocrity is now your upper limit, if lucky. The more it fails the more its acolytes squeal that they only need MORE to fix it. More countries, more power, more control, more enslavement, it's bound to function eventually. 

Next in your litany of errors, you (falsely) conclude that an IT person is not 4 times more valuable than a supervisor. Again, clearly uninformed and showing abysmal ignorance of the state of the art in auto manufacturing, which is not a sweat and blood Industry but completely run BY TECHNOLOGY! The Henry Ford model of placing human beings into mind numbing automaton roles has (rightly) been replaced by using Actual automatons to do the mind numbing tasks. 

Your "supervisor" who I hope is smarter than you, is not the one to program nor establish the infrastructure and communication protocols needed to make those exceptionally valuable (and expensive) automatons operate functionally and efficiently. So yes, you're wrong that they're not worth 4x the supervisor. Given the disparate output capacity and even a casual understanding of economics, one would be compelled to agree the "IT person" is likely worth 100 times the supervisor value. 

 

I am not a communist. I support division of society into 4 estate but in non hereditary manner, based on merit (character & capability).

Next, sports is an individual centric activity. It focuses on individual skills. But real life is far more complex and one has to handle a chain of thousands of people where each one can do some mishaps and get things wrong. Secondly, all of the capital investments are based on natural resource or technology. No one man can develop complex technology or create natural resource. Natural resource is out of man's control while technology is a team effort. All of this involves government patronage in terms of leasing mines/oil fields or investing in technology development via government grants.

I don't ask anyone to reward people equally. I am only asking for equity. The difference in incomes of people being hundreds of 10-100 times higher is simply unreasonable as I mentioned above, these involve government patronage. So, it amounts to SOCIALISING THE COST WHILE PRIVATISING PROFITS. 

Next, about IT person doing more work, I disagree. It is simply that IT work is replicable due to ease of copying codes whereas supervising is very individualistic. Nevertheless, the IT coding is written by hundreds of people over several years and hence the workload is not high or of any higher quality. Moreover, several technology like semiconductor manufacturing, AMOLED display manufacturing etc are monopolised by USA through a series of political actions including sanctions, sabotage of other countries developing these technology and so on. This clearly shows extent of political force behind making IT artificially more important in order to be able to overcharge from foreign countries.

Car/truck supervising may not be as replicable but there is definitely some art involved in them and they have heavy workload. IT sector has very light workload and has only 4 hour work day on an average and that too most of the time it is an invented work as there is no project available! Despite this, the IT sector jobs get heavily paid compared to other sectors.

I don't think you have real world experience on how things work and it shows in how condescending you are. But reality is different from your understanding of it.

7 hours ago, Alex Palamas said:

The simplistic reasoning and your uneducated logic is telling.. One thing is certain, you are not alone man.. 

Good luck calling people uneducated just because you could not out reason them.

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1 minute ago, kshithij Sharma said:

Good luck calling people uneducated just because you could not out reason them.

i did not call you uneducated.. your logic and reasoning on what you wrote, which in my opinion is beyond discussion, I called uneducated..

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19 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

I think it is pretty clear from what I have written that I am not expecting anybody to accept me in their club.. I hate clubs whether popular, populist or elitist.. I prefer bright industrious individuals and workaholics with a passion for their innovative work..

I do not even contest that the EU is another nanny-state, albeit I see it as a perhaps less injurious institution than the UK system, with its well-fenced plutocrats, feudalists and unelected aristocrats pawning with the plebs, handing them benefits, football, beer and reality TV.. looking over them with endless CCTVs and keeping all of us who work under control using rampant criminality fed by lack of education, immigration (make the economy more competitive in the lowest of professions) and institutionalised inequality..

I only protest that voters should understand the essence of politics, economy and social stratification before they cast their vote and before they dare have strong opinions! I wish people understood what they say and why, thats all!! I cannot be easily convinced that the average Jo (that u seem to consider to be very capable, fine) has any real clue about  the decisions he is asked to vote for and I am not sure the average Jo has thought or understood much about the realities of his/her own govt and mechanisms of his/her society, let alone the EU.. I protest that people obtain their sociopolitical thinking from terrible newspapers and TV shows left and right!!  

This is writing I can get behind. You may not like clubs, but this one took umbrage with you barging in and calling all the patrons ignorant slobs (paraphrasing). I'm guessing that doesn't go over well at your local pub either, but your mileage may vary. 

Democracy is an impure instrument and we either accept it or we don't. Military grade persuasion techniques are being locked, loaded and fired at all sides in politics today. Those arguments and techniques aren't aimed at your cerebral cortex but your amygdala.

Being "triggered" isn't just a meme, and sadly those most susceptible are college educated. Logically this makes sense, because strongly independent thinkers do NOT do well in university. If one can put up with the BS and get out unscathed only then might they succeed as the independent thinkers they were when they started. Or you end up with what you see in this country, captains of industry who all are college dropouts. Because colleges aren't designed to produce thinkers, only consensus. 

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23 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

This is writing I can get behind. You may not like clubs, but this one took umbrage with you barging in and calling all the patrons ignorant slobs (paraphrasing). I'm guessing that doesn't go over well at your local pub either, but your mileage may vary. 

Democracy is an impure instrument and we either accept it or we don't. Military grade persuasion techniques are being locked, loaded and fired at all sides in politics today. Those arguments and techniques aren't aimed at your cerebral cortex but your amygdala.

Being "triggered" isn't just a meme, and sadly those most susceptible are college educated. Logically this makes sense, because strongly independent thinkers do NOT do well in university. If one can put up with the BS and get out unscathed only then might they succeed as the independent thinkers they were when they started. Or you end up with what you see in this country, captains of industry who all are college dropouts. Because colleges aren't designed to produce thinkers, only consensus. 

I agree with you.. When I speak about education I think it is pretty clear (if not I should clarify) I do not talk about university education.. In my industry I meet multiple people with university degrees but dumb as a dog in terms of understanding many of the things we discussed briefly here.. I also meet people with brilliant university and real education.. It is unfair to place these labels but anyhow.. I am on independent thinkers and those with the willingness to learn facts and process realities with logic and brains.. As I said before I wish people learn more and not just read reactive stuff that sounbd reassuring and agreeable with their predefined opinions.. 

Of course democracy is problematic and again, I have stated over and over again that I am fully backing the democratic outcome.. However, I will not stop protesting at the perpetuation of what u call "military grade persuasion techniques" based on crap.. I disagree with cults and fixations wherever they come from..  

Colleges (most not all, and not all teachers anyway) are indeed designed to produce consensus but colleges are a business and a reflection of what the society and especially the govt is setting them out to provide for the compact majority.. Colleges and their education is a reflection of the little man they need to educate.. Here in UK there are more than 100 university degree supermarkets (and just 4-5 brilliant institutions of course).. Why do u think this is happening..

Nobody cares about smart industrious innovative citizens.. nanny-state corporate capitalism needs pawns and submissive citizens.. There we go..

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

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On 8/22/2019 at 4:18 PM, Alex Palamas said:

My friend again:

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/united-kingdom-population/

67,5mil but i aint mind 66mil..

UK net contribution to EU is 9bil not 13,2bil since over 4bil IS SPENT BY EU to the UK..

Also Around 12.5mil kids and thus 55mil people that can pay (workers and retirees), thus if u want the calculation more specific 9,000,000,000 / 55,000,000 = £163.6 per paying person per year

 

The membership fee was not an issue for most people who voted for Brexit. The driver was free movement and where that was heading. 

If we wind back to the days of the EU being a trading bloc - the EEC and to the dates when the original 6 and then 9 countries formed the block and proposed that the EEC was expanded to the whole of Eastern Europe and possible the Ukraine and Turkey, with freedom of movement, every single member would have looked at you as if you were clinically insane. 

Roll forward to 2015 when Mama Merkel* made here unilateral please come and opened up the flood gates   and that tipped Brexit into a majority position.

* Anyone with more than 2 brain cells in the UK realised what this actually meant was Germany would skim off the top 10% (The Engineers Doctors etc) and dump all the dross on everyone else. I read that 65-70% of the refugees were not even technically literate in their own languages. 

Interestingly the Dutch are getting anxious now because large numbers of Somali Cloggys are preparing to go home (Brexit Refugees😄) as the dutch who gave them passports so they could move to the UK to form ghettos assuming it was a one way trip. A  Dutch court has deemed that if they have children they should be immediately housed. 

Edited August 26, 2019 by NickW

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13 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

 

As for your other post? I'm not the least surprised your best college class was sucking up to a communist professor. Useful idiots indeed. 

Nah, I was forced to take some arts classes.  Not my thing at all; but when in Rome...

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On 8/19/2019 at 7:56 PM, Tom Kirkman said:

The government expects the return of a hard border in Ireland as current plans to avoid widespread checks will prove “unsustainable”; this may spark protests, road blockages and “direct action”   (This is quoting other documents)

This is totally silly.  There is never going to be a "hard border" between the Irelands, the local people will not stand for it.  Nor is one necessary.

Anyone who has been to Ireland knows that the island is laced with small country lanes.  Those lanes have low-weight-capacity bridges, so a fully-loaded truck cannot make it from North to South except on a handful of main roads.  Those main roads already have Truck Inspection Stations, albeit mothballed.  They will be re-activated.

For a smuggler to want to move goods in from the Continent to England by way of smuggling via Ireland and then overland to Northern Ireland, then by more ferry to the UK, catching them will be child's play.  The smugglers will know that they cannot use a full-size truck.  So then they will be loading the goods into smallish trucks and using back country roads.  Unless you are going to spend a ton of capital in buying UK trucks and sending them to the Continent, they are going to be, and will be plated as, Continent trucks.  Now, who is going to do the driving?  Some Brit?  Unlikely.  He is not going to risk jail so some criminal gang on the Continent can get rich.  Those drivers are going to be Albanians, or Croats, or Hungarians, or Bulgarians.  Don't you think those guys will stand out from the crowd?  And get spotted?

The UK government simply hires "paid informants" to go sit on the park bench down at the ferry harbors in the ports in the Republic of Ireland, places such as Cork.  The informant has a fancy android cell-phone camera and picks off the marker plates and vehicle photo of contraband trucks, plated in Albania. The pictures and plates are texted to UK Customs, which distributes them to border inspectors.  The truck shows up somewhere in Northern Ireland at some choke-point and bam! it is picked off by the police, the driver jailed, the truck and cargo confiscated. The informant gets paid "so much a catch," basically a bounty system that encourages staying alert. The pick-off rate will be 100%.   Bye-bye Albanian criminal gangs. 

Nobody bright is going to get worked up over the smugglers.  They will not survive. And the work is not even that hard to do. And nobody gets exercised over the locals smuggling some bottle of hooch.  They do that across the Canada Border and nobody cares.  There is not enough cumulative money involved to get worked up over it, so it just gets ignored.  Same with the Irish.  Nobody cares about that small internal volume, not interesting. 

 

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2 hours ago, NickW said:

The membership fee was not an issue for most people who voted for Brexit. The driver was free movement and where that was heading. 

If we wind back to the days of the EU being a trading bloc - the EEC and to the dates when the original 6 and then 9 countries formed the block and proposed that the EEC was expanded to the whole of Eastern Europe and possible the Ukraine and Turkey, with freedom of movement, every single member would have looked at you as if you were clinically insane. 

Roll forward to 2015 when Mama Merkel* made here unilateral please come and opened up the flood gates   and that tipped Brexit into a majority position.

* Anyone with more than 2 brain cells in the UK realised what this actually meant was Germany would skim off the top 10% (The Engineers Doctors etc) and dump all the dross on everyone else. I read that 65-70% of the refugees were not even technically literate in their own languages. 

Interestingly the Dutch are getting anxious now because large numbers of Somali Cloggys are preparing to go home (Brexit Refugees😄) as the dutch who gave them passports so they could move to the UK to form ghettos assuming it was a one way trip. A  Dutch court has deemed that if they have children they should be immediately housed. 

Just for clarity, I mentioned the numbers as a response to a guy that stated that the fee was a big issue and to highlight the point.. I agree with your assessment but seriously, you must mingle with superb people man, or your lot has more than 2 brain cells.. I have met scores and scores of people, even supposedly smart ones, that keep blurbing about the money, the banana size and fishing quotas..

I totally agree immigration (rather than free movement to be exact) is the real issue and to be honest, I totally understand that this issue is contagious for most average normal people, smartness aside..

Cant help myself tho, I have observed or maybe even studied, perhaps very intensely, that the (correct) negative energy of the people towards the subject of uncontrolled immigration and cultural appropriation is incorrectly placed with the EU.. Quite unfair actually.. Merkel f@@@@d up big time in my opinion, but anyway many EU countries had to adopt a problem they did not necessarily generate with the degenration of the Syrian and Libyan states for instance..

Also, it is a fact, a hard fact, that Tony Blair and generally the UK foreign policy, has been extremely supportive towards for example eastern block countries joining the EU.. Blair did not even abide by their free movement restrictions that most other EU countries created back in 2004 onwards.. Another perhaps tragicomic irony is the fact that BoJo has been somewhat a supporter of turkey joining the EU.. (sorry telegraph spamming here) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/boris-johnson-says-britain-will-now-help-turkey-join-eu-despite/

OK granted the UK has been trying to transform the EU into a manic cacophony of crazy states, I think under the doctrine of divide and conquer but lets be a bit more fair when we talk about the issue of immigration and the faults of the EU.. The number of non-EU first, second and third gen immigrants to the UK far exceeds the number of EU immigrants, even from Poland and Romania.. I still see tho why average football reality TV, Jo feels culturally insecure and voted Leave..

Edited August 26, 2019 by Alex Palamas

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7 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

Just for clarity, I mentioned the numbers as a response to a guy that stated that the fee was a big issue and to highlight the point.. I agree with your assessment but seriously, you must mingle with superb people man, or your lot has more than 2 brain cells.. I have met scores and scores of people, even supposedly smart ones, that keep blurbing about the money, the banana size and fishing quotas..I

They are additional factors and  the reasons  people give openly because as soon as you mention uncontrolled immigration you get racist / bigot screamed at you.

In a virtual Police state like the UK (where an opinion  on the Web can have lose your job or even  locked up) intelligent Brexit Supporters are intelligent enough to give the reasons you list above even if other people view them as 'idiots' because of it. 

Most people I know who voted for Brexit seem to be a broad range of individuals from working class to Doctorates and the underlying motivation is uncontrolled immigration. The UK is already the 3rd most densely populated country in Europe (Germany would have to take 40m more people to reach our levels) and its really starting to significantly  impact on many peoples every day lives - schooling, hospitals, GP's, housing costs, competition for jobs. 

One of the events that tipped me into voting Brexit was a distant cousin of mine who is Remain obsessed and accuses anyone who voted for Brexit as being Racist Bigots. He is a Warehousing manager and prior to the Ref told me that his business was so reliant on Polish workers its preferential that any candidate speaks polish (and you wonder why these workplaces become Pole exclusive) 

Interesting;

So putting aside the career opportunities for evil white British People how many Black or Asian people living in the East Midlands can speak polish? 

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2 minutes ago, NickW said:

They are additional factors and  the reasons  people give openly because as soon as you mention uncontrolled immigration you get racist / bigot screamed at you.

In a virtual Police state like the UK (where an opinion  on the Web can have lose your job or even  locked up) intelligent Brexit Supporters are intelligent enough to give the reasons you list above even if other people view them as 'idiots' because of it. 

Most people I know who voted for Brexit seem to be a broad range of individuals from working class to Doctorates and the underlying motivation is uncontrolled immigration. The UK is already the 3rd most densely populated country in Europe (Germany would have to take 40m more people to reach our levels) and its really starting to significantly  impact on many peoples every day lives - schooling, hospitals, GP's, housing costs, competition for jobs. 

One of the events that tipped me into voting Brexit was a distant cousin of mine who is Remain obsessed and accuses anyone who voted for Brexit as being Racist Bigots. He is a Warehousing manager and prior to the Ref told me that his business was so reliant on Polish workers its preferential that any candidate speaks polish (and you wonder why these workplaces become Pole exclusive) 

Interesting;

So putting aside the career opportunities for evil white British People how many Black or Asian people living in the East Midlands can speak polish? 

Once again, I dont disagree, I understand fully and sympathise with the sentiment of the people.. Also I have noted how the white British person has been indirectly asked to be a visitor in his home and this is really bad.. 

I still disagree tho that (what I called correct) negative energy is being placed with the EU.. I insist, pls remember the clear UK policy towards eastern immigration!! I dont think Merkel tipped it but instead Blair! I think that the UK foreign policy has supported low quality immigration to make the economy more competitive (at the low tier of jobs especially) and this is very much aligned with corporate capitalism I believe, but this increased social inequality and punctured a big hole in the UKs social fabric..

Also, really not trying to be devils advocate here but for one remainer calling leavers racist bigots, there is also one leaver calling remainers liberal leftie pussies.. I have seen loads of thuggishness and aggression from both sides so I cant see why u only blame one side for a very polarised argument..  

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Just now, Alex Palamas said:

intelligent Brexit Supporters are intelligent enough to give the reasons you list above even if other people view them as 'idiots' because of it. 

I think a really intelligent person would rather not give an opinion rather than bother writing crap for the sake of it..

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1 minute ago, Alex Palamas said:

Once again, I dont disagree, I understand fully and sympathise with the sentiment of the people.. Also I have noted how the white British person has been indirectly asked to be a visitor in his home and this is really bad.. 

I still disagree tho that (what I called correct) negative energy is being placed with the EU.. I insist, pls remember the clear UK policy towards eastern immigration!! I dont think Merkel tipped it but instead Blair! I think that the UK foreign policy has supported low quality immigration to make the economy more competitive (at the low tier of jobs especially) and this is very much aligned with corporate capitalism I believe, but this increased social inequality and punctured a big hole in the UKs social fabric..

Also, really not trying to be devils advocate here but for one remainer calling leavers racist bigots, there is also one leaver calling remainers liberal leftie pussies.. I have seen loads of thuggishness and aggression from both sides so I cant see why u only blame one side for a very polarised argument..  

The majority of Brits would like to see Blair hung from a lamp post in public. 

Yes I have seen arseholes on the Leave side too. 

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1 minute ago, Alex Palamas said:

I think a really intelligent person would rather not give an opinion rather than bother writing crap for the sake of it..

Which means you then get labelled by default as a racist bigot. 

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30 minutes ago, Alex Palamas said:

I totally agree immigration (rather than free movement to be exact) is the real issue and to be honest, I totally understand that this issue is contagious for most average normal people, smartness aside..

Cant help myself tho, I have observed or maybe even studied, perhaps very intensely, that the (correct) negative energy of the people towards the subject of uncontrolled immigration and cultural appropriation is incorrectly placed with the EU.. Quite unfair actually.. Merkel f@@@@d up big time in my opinion, but anyway many EU countries had to adopt a problem they did not necessarily generate with the degenration of the Syrian and Libyan states for instance.

 

1 minute ago, NickW said:

They are additional factors and the reasons people give openly because as soon as you mention uncontrolled immigration you get racist / bigot screamed at you.

In a virtual Police state like the UK (where an opinion on the Web can have lose your job or even locked up) intelligent Brexit Supporters are intelligent enough to give the reasons you list above even if other people view them as 'idiots' because of it. 

Most people I know who voted for Brexit seem to be a broad range of individuals from working class to Doctorates and the underlying motivation is uncontrolled immigration. The UK is already the 3rd most densely populated country in Europe (Germany would have to take 40m more people to reach our levels) and its really starting to significantly impact on many peoples every day lives - schooling, hospitals, GP's, housing costs, competition for jobs. 

 

Uncontrolled immigration is a trigger topic.  Many people go bonkers, verboten to discuss, thus proclaimeth the PC speech police in the UK and EU.

UK PC police forbids free discussion about uncontrolled immigration?  Solution: Brexit.  Law of Unintended Consequences.  Brexit will likely cut off the flow of uncontrolled immigration which the EU / Brussels Globalists enforce onto unwilling member countries.

 

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