Impeachment and Foreign Conflicts in USA Politics

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I would add that I admire the fact that Trump didnt start any war even after 3 years of his presidency.

Now you can compare it with Obama legacy- he got Nobel Prize and has very good opinion in world community but he bombed something like 8 countries by doing targeted killings, took part in war in Libya, Syria and a lot of peaple accused him of supporting Arab Spring which bring chaos in Middle East etc.. 

Trump could also easily start a major war with Iran or invasion on Venezuela like Bush or Obama but he doesnt want to that so he is heavily critisized at home for doing nothing. He also at least try to end conflict in Syria, North Korea Afghanistan and do not antagonize sides of Ukrainian conflict.

Maybe he could not put sanctions on Iran or Venezuela but I dont uderstand people who call themselves liberal or civil right fighters at home  and are warmongers at the same time. Because its blantant hipocrisy and you cant say that about Trump. 

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On 9/26/2019 at 8:14 PM, Boat said:

Actually if you google Pew’s report on tv news viewing only around 50% of Americans get their news from tv. The evil CNN gets just a small sliver of viewers.

Newspapers have declined greatly and are not well trusted. Their bias is very obvious. The internet offers all forms of information and opinions, good, bad, indifferent, false, but at least you can decide who to trust and go back to for future information. It also offers an infinite amount of background on all topics.

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Good work Tom, I actually broke into a full smile! Gab dropped the frog and the frog call. Too bad. 

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On 9/29/2019 at 8:22 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

The US doesn’t need the oil NOW....but what if the shale oil miracle falters and fails (which it is showing signs of doing)...then what?

Natural gas for all! Yeah!

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10 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

I would add that I admire the fact that Trump didnt start any war even after 3 years of his presidency.

Now you can compare it with Obama legacy- he got Nobel Prize and has very good opinion in world community but he bombed something like 8 countries by doing targeted killings, took part in war in Libya, Syria and a lot of peaple accused him of supporting Arab Spring which bring chaos in Middle East etc.. 

Trump could also easily start a major war with Iran or invasion on Venezuela like Bush or Obama but he doesnt want to that so he is heavily critisized at home for doing nothing. He also at least try to end conflict in Syria, North Korea Afghanistan and do not antagonize sides of Ukrainian conflict.

Maybe he could not put sanctions on Iran or Venezuela but I dont uderstand people who call themselves liberal or civil right fighters at home  and are warmongers at the same time. Because its blantant hipocrisy and you cant say that about Trump. 

He doesn't want to see people die. He feels for the people of all these countries. He does not want American soldiers to die or be wounded or America to go bankrupt fighting wars that don't accomplish anything. He will make war very costly for aggressors however. He is using economic competition by demanding fair trade and not trading with enemies. 

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On 9/30/2019 at 1:07 AM, ceo_energemsier said:

Saw an interview in which Queen Pelosi said her regular words, he committed this crime  and that then moves onto saying its all in the "sequencing"?

So now they are going to stretch it as far as their feeble imagination can run!

The sequencing goes back to how the Obama administrative cabal planned to stop Donald J. Trump long before he was even a candidate! Many of them should be going to jail for treason.

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On 9/30/2019 at 4:03 PM, Enthalpic said:

Pressuring other leaders is a big part of the job (not game).  However, pressuring others to investigate your domestic political rivals is much different than pressuring over international matters (trade, military, etc.).  

Political rivals do not have a free pass to perform illegal acts. Politicians usually get rich. Even the failures get pensions and benefits that make them well to do and often great jobs after they are gone. Most of that is unethical IMHO. They should all be investigated when they appear to have actually committed crimes or gotten wealth for no apparent honest work. The Clintons probably gained the most money. They were middle class when Bill got elected as Attorney General of Arkansas. .

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On 9/25/2019 at 5:52 PM, ronwagn said:

King David had an adulterous affair with the wife of a soldier he purposely sent to a likely death in battle. Despite the grievous sin God used him to work out the destiny of the Kingdom of Israel.He also wrote most of the Psalms. King David's son, Solomon, the supposed "wisest man in history" had hundreds of wives and concubines. He lived an opulent life of pleasure seeking and was also forgiven. He explained some of his errors in his biblical writings. 

Lack of mental capacity and wisdom  are both problems of Biden. He has also, on video, changed every opinion he ever has held! That just doesn't work at all. 

I agree Biden is not a great candidate. He and Pelosi along with past Hilary are part of the “swamp draining” idea that became popular. But Trump, Mich McConnell and past Boehner are cut from the same cloth. Right or wrong they will push their agenda inside or outside the law and sense of fairness. I’m not sure a fair minded politician could get elected. A candidate for the greater good is worthless in today’s politics. Just the way it is.

 

On 9/25/2019 at 7:44 PM, Jakridge said:

ronwagn,  Most excellent analogy!  I have an aunt that is a liberal atheist and she told me the other day that she cannot understand how two normal, intelligent, people can have such differing views on the president like we do. I told her that if all I watched was MSNBC smattered with a little CNN, who she thinks is middle of the road, that I would hate Trump as well. She does not understand how I can be a Christian and support Donald Trump. I used your same analogy that God uses whoever he wishes to get the job done that is His will. You don't have to be a perfect person to be used by God because first of all, none of us are perfect. We are all flawed and we are all sinners including Donald Trump (and of course that's why Jesus died so He would be the ultimate sacrifice for forgiveness for all of us.) But that is no reason not to support what Trump is doing and has done for this country.  I think Trump has been appointed and is the right man at the right time to begin to get the things done that need to be done to see this country through the next few perilous decades. It's very simple for me, a choice between the founding of this nation, the Constitution and individual Freedom based on God-given rights, or a turn towards the failed policies of socialism that seemed so desired by the left to be tried again. I think globalism is at its root and the only thing in the globalists' way is the United States of a free America and they will do whatever they can to get us out of the way.  Thank you for that Ron I enjoyed it!

The US is a huge global trader and has been supported by Republicans from day one. Trump wanting more balanced trade numbers was never intended to stop trade.

Just like immigration was designed to promote growth. Republican donors drove policy for decades. Trump just wants white ones.

It’s amazing just how short memories can get, lol.

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I agree with your main points but President Trump is very different than any politician we have had in recent decades. He is truly trying to do what he thinks is best for ALL the people. He has actually made great progress in providing jobs for everyone. I see help wanted signs more than I ever have in my life. Fair trade is a great goal. We have all benefited from inexpensive Chinese products but we cannot let them run all over us and the world. 

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42 minutes ago, Boat said:

I agree Biden is not a great candidate

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19 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Political rivals do not have a free pass to perform illegal acts. Politicians usually get rich. Even the failures get pensions and benefits that make them well to do and often great jobs after they are gone. Most of that is unethical IMHO. They should all be investigated when they appear to have actually committed crimes or gotten wealth for no apparent honest work. The Clintons probably gained the most money. They were middle class when Bill got elected as Attorney General of Arkansas. .

Very true, but they should be investigated by civil servants and a independent legal system, and not under direct and undue pressure from incumbents.

When politicians start bossing around the police, FBI, courts, etc. things can get scary fast.

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5 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Very true, but they should be investigated by civil servants and a independent legal system, and not under direct and undue pressure from incumbents.

When politicians start bossing around the police, FBI, courts, etc. things can get scary fast.

The President of the United States is the chief law enforcement officer of America. The President as Law Enforcer https://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-2/36-president-as-law-enforcer.html

Unless a law enforcement officer is in an elected position he is usually subject to the Mayor, City Manager, County Board of Supervisors or some such civilian. Sheriffs can be fired by the Governor, at least I think so. I believe one was fired in Florida a while back. 

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If the Head of State of one country feels that a political entity from his country has been complicit in criminal activity or corruption in another country, why should he not discuss this with the Head of State in that country?

They are both Heads of State and they are discussing a common concern. AFTER they discuss the issue then they can direct their Secretaries of State or legal apparatus to take appropriate action.

Are we now saying that Trump cannot take ANY action on the global stage unless it has been cleared by Pelosi and the House? Please show me the legal clarification if that is your position.

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On 9/30/2019 at 9:34 AM, Douglas Buckland said:

Surprise, surprise!!! One world leader (Head of State) is pressured by another world leader (Head of State). Damn man, that’s part of the game! Do you believe that perhaps other Heads of State have tried to influence or pressure or influence Trump or is it a one way street.

You are really reaching with this nonsense.

Did you watch the video?  I was just having some fun. The video is a parody from the "Late Show with Stephen Colbert".  I watch Stephen's monologue often. A lot of very informative jokes about Trump.

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Didn’t watch the video. Better things to do than watch the Late Show. Arrange my sock drawer, trim my nose hair, clean under the refrigerator....you know, important things.

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1 hour ago, Hotone said:

A lot of very informative jokes about Trump.

Here, have an explainer about the impeachment comedy.

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RICK PERRY-

"There has been no evidence, however, that Rick Perry has been involved in President Trump’s alleged attempts to start an investigation of his Democratic rival Joe Biden.

Following the Politico report, Reuters quoted a statement from the Energy Department that said “While the beltway media has breathlessly reported on rumors of Secretary Perry’s departure for months, he is still the Secretary of Energy and a proud member of President Trump’s Cabinet. One day the media will be right. Today is not that day.”- NO SHIT SHERLOCK

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@DayTrader are you involved somehow, its seems all the dodgy ones are jumping ship.

"you talking to me"- Taxi Driver or Uber these days

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On 10/3/2019 at 1:34 AM, ronwagn said:

I agree with your main points but President Trump is very different than any politician we have had in recent decades.

I think this may be the understatement of the century  :) 

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20 hours ago, James Regan said:

@DayTrader are you involved somehow, its seems all the dodgy ones are jumping ship.

"you talking to me"- Taxi Driver or Uber these days

Yep all me mate. I talked them round. This is their new plan ... 

Accuse a guy of utter nonsense, quote him like he's Don Corleone, the whole world watches and sees through this shit in minutes, then world realises that all the crimes are on the accuser's plate, the public gets utterly sick of the witch hunt shite, and it all leads to no chance of Democrat election.

I mean, it's a different strategy by the Dems, I'll give em that ... 

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On 10/3/2019 at 5:11 AM, John Foote said:

Personally hope the Ukrainian is the end of Biden. He was stupid with the nepotism, but Trump supporters accept nepotism on a grander scale. Never wish illness on anyone, but Sanders is probably out, thankfully. Heaven help them if they try and resurrect Clinton. Talk about deserving to get you ass kick.

They are probably taking inspiration from.........

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On 10/3/2019 at 6:37 AM, Tomasz said:

The whole charge of treason or Russiagate against Trump comes down to the simple fact that this POTUS finally listened to experts in the style of Graham Alisson or Kissinger who told him clearly that the biggest rival for the US for at least 15 years is not Russia but China. 

You might have overestimated the aims of a government and roles of a leader of a government in times of prosperity and complacency?? The first responsibility might be the residents in the country and friends. The greatest enemy is often not outside of the country. Although it has been a good strategy to unify congressmen of different parties and beliefs by having a common enemy it is rarely helping in solving more pressing issues within the country??

On 10/4/2019 at 11:46 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

Here, have an explainer about the impeachment comedy.

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I have just finished watching a series on Netflix about the Vietnam war, and what hit me the most was amount of collusion between all parties and foreign powers, various Coup d'etat's sanctioned and unsanctioned by the US government, assassinations of US presidents and impeachment.

However this was not an Isolated case purely because of the war in Vietnam, it was common place before hand and collusion was described as part of doing politics. If anyone believes that both sides are not fully aware of politicians colluding and spy v spy blatantly accepted within politics then you are misguided.

Some of the current situation going on with Trump at the moment are similar to what LBJ and Nixon went through, but Trump seems to be leaning more towards Henry Kissinger's angle of attack.

If the Democrats think POTUS digging up well founded dirt on Biden is worth impeachment, then every president up until now should by rights have gone through an impeachment enquiry at a minimum.

The focus of this enquiry against Trump is a merely a campaign strategy to try and oust a Republican on false claims as the democrats have no credible candidate to take the USA forward with the same momentum that the current president is achieving.

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1 hour ago, James Regan said:

The focus of this enquiry against Trump is a merely a campaign strategy to try and oust a Republican on false claims as the democrats have no credible candidate to take the USA forward with the same momentum that the current president is achieving.

Probably right, although both being guilty is a feeble defense. Nixon's work in '68 makes Trump's look positively mild. Nixon should have been drawn and quartered in public. LBJ, under council, decided it was best to keep us sheep believing in the system. Biden is definitely an extension of the system. I liked Bush41, OMG as he a part of it.

Remember the dems don't want Trump's momentum, in fact a great weakness is too much of the platform is not Trump. Without a nominee we have no idea. What plays in the primaries often doesn't work in the overall. Not Hillary was an effective platform in 2016, I think almost any Republican would have won in 2016, and yet not Trump is highly unlikely to win in 2020, IMHO. Hillary didn't excite a core, Trump does. Turn out matters. But the demographics Trumps plays to is a time bomb that will destroy the Republican party if it can't shift some.

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