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Nuclear Deal Is Dead? Iran Distances Itself Further From ND, Alarming Russia And France

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Iran has stepped up activity at its underground Fordow nuclear plant, state TV said on Wednesday, a move France said showed for the first time that Tehran explicitly planned to quit a deal with world powers that curbed its disputed nuclear work. In another development that could also aggravate tensions between Iran and the West, diplomats said Iran briefly held an inspector for the U.N. nuclear watchdog and seized her travel documents, with some describing this as harassment. Iran said the inspector was prevented from entering the Natanz facility because of a concern she might be carrying “suspicious material”, the semi-official Fars news agency reported. It said screening equipment at Natanz flashed a warning sign when the inspector passed through so her equipment was searched, she was denied entry and the International Atomic Energy Agency was subsequently informed. The incident involving an IAEA inspector appeared to be the first of its kind since Tehran’s landmark deal with major powers was struck in 2015, imposing restraints on its uranium enrichment program in return for the lifting of international sanctions.

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What deal? It's died a year ago... 

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Permanent crisis and the world without prosperity - tired of it.

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The world today is a more dangerous place to live than ever.

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You can't cancel the deal more after the deal's been cancelled. That's not how deals work.

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It reminds me on sentence: my ex wife is cheating on me! Literally, the same energy :) 

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2 minutes ago, BALBOA said:

It reminds me on sentence: my ex wife is cheating on me! Literally, the same energy :) 

👍 My ex wife got remarried...further unraveling our marriage... 😂

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Nuclear deal with Iran is dead as well as "peace negotiations" with North Korea, right? So...

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1.  Most of the world is fine.

2.  Don't short oil, especially not with a 3x ETF like SCO.  You might wake up and find that you've lost 20% of your investment because Israel decided to bomb Iran overnight. 

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2 hours ago, joze44 said:

Permanent crisis and the world without prosperity - tired of it.

The world is far more prosperous than ever!

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2 hours ago, francoba said:

The world today is a more dangerous place to live than ever.

We have been under threat of total nuclear destruction since the Russians developed enough missiles and nuclear warheads. Nothing much has changed except in your mind.

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11 hours ago, ronwagn said:

We have been under threat of total nuclear destruction since the Russians developed enough missiles and nuclear warheads. Nothing much has changed except in your mind.

We've been there even before... 

Yet, the peoples' mind is crucially changed, indeed.

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I think Iran is playing the long game.

If they wanted dirty bomb they would already have it and announce the fact. State TV informed about Fordow activity - so this was message for domestic audience. In the following years Iran will work with China and maybe later India to sell oil in euro, yuan and rupee and counter US embargo. This is salami strategy. US can do nothing about it.

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If what Reuters reports is true:

"In Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said events unfolding around the nuclear deal were deeply disturbing and called on Iran to stick to the terms of the deal.

But he added that Moscow understood why Tehran was cutting back on its commitments, and blamed the situation on the U.S. decision to pull out of the pact."

In language of diplomacy Iran coordinates its activities with Russia.

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57 minutes ago, Marcin said:

I think Iran is playing the long game.

If they wanted dirty bomb they would already have it and announce the fact. State TV informed about Fordow activity - so this was message for domestic audience. In the following years Iran will work with China and maybe later India to sell oil in euro, yuan and rupee and counter US embargo. This is salami strategy. US can do nothing about it.

Iran will work with China.  Iran will work with India.  US can do nothing about it. 

Lol  Oh sweet summer child.  

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9 hours ago, Сергей Попов said:

We've been there even before... 

Yet, the peoples' mind is crucially changed, indeed.

Yes, we have had chemical and biological weapons which could have killed many millions. Hopefully will never be used by anyone. 

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5 hours ago, BigJets said:

Iran will work with China.  Iran will work with India.  US can do nothing about it. 

Lol  Oh sweet summer child.  

Yeah it was silly to present it as an rosy affair.

But the truth is : China is circumventing US sanctions and buying Iranian and Venezuelan oil (with Russian help).

And accepting all direct and indirect consequences of this decision like full economic war with the United States and the need of twice the current tonnage of its Navy.

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And when we pulled out France stood there acting like we were in the wrong. The biggest difference between our countries is simple, their govt is running around with blinders and lots of wishful thinking while we finally have a president that has eyes wide open looking straight ahead and has no fantasies about Iran. They need to be dealt with now, before they start a nuclear war that the whole world will have to live with.

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Um.  Didn't Trump campaign on NOT starting wars in the Middle East? 

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On 11/7/2019 at 2:21 AM, Сергей Попов said:

We've been there even before... 

Yet, the peoples' mind is crucially changed, indeed.

Please explain your thoughts as to why their minds changed and how. Is it because the world media continually tells us that climate change is going to drown us, etc. 

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On 11/7/2019 at 5:07 PM, Marcin said:

Yeah it was silly to present it as an rosy affair.

But the truth is : China is circumventing US sanctions and buying Iranian and Venezuelan oil (with Russian help).

And accepting all direct and indirect consequences of this decision like full economic war with the United States and the need of twice the current tonnage of its Navy.

It is far better to face the truth of dealing with Russia, China, and Muslims than pretending that all is OK because agreements are made on paper. Islam itself says in the Koran that it is OK to deceive your perceived enemies. Russia has a long history of subversion and small conflicts to advance its agenda. China just makes agreements and then does whatever they wish. 

Obama made an agreement that was toothless. Trump realized that we needed to face the truth of the situation. 

The American Oil and Gas industry is our greatest economic weapon against OPEC and Russia. They cannot do well without higher prices. America doesn't need to import or export oil or natural gas, except from Canada. China is a beneficiary if they are able to find markets for their production lines. 

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4 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Um.  Didn't Trump campaign on NOT starting wars in the Middle East? 

Iran has been threatening to destroy Israel and the United States (Great Satan to them) for a long time. The only reason their nuclear facilities have not been destroyed is because they have scattered them near population centers knowing that Americans are unlikely to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iranians. We realize they would gladly bomb Israel as they have threatened to many times, but Israel has the ability to make their own nuclear attacks with a first strike or a retaliatory strike. 

Only our military knows all of the different ways we can take out Iran's nuclear and other military threats. 

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Or we could have just stuck to the old nuclear deal.  

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7 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Um.  Didn't Trump campaign on NOT starting wars in the Middle East? 

If the Iranians get the bomb, I seriously doubt it will be the US starting the war.

 

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2 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Or we could have just stuck to the old nuclear deal.  

The point is, if you take a look at recent timings of Iran’s nuclear ramp up SINCE, the US pulled out of the deal...Iran has NEVER been curtailing their nuclear processing!

A deal assumes both sides stick to the plan, Iran had no intention of doing so.

Once Iran gets the bomb, do you think the EU, Russia, India, etc....will accept any blame when that first missile leaves for Tel Aviv? I am willing to bet it will all be America’s fault for pulling out of a non-existent agreement.

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