Trump's China Strategy: Death By a Thousand Paper Cuts

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4 hours ago, Papillon said:

This is why, as shown above, you contradicted yourself within minutes. I would also personally change the wording of 'helping her navigate' to 'abusing her condition and good intentions' through life.

So many posting here claim she has "handlers" but have no evidence that this is so because she is quite capable of independent thought and actions -  things which are well proven -  but you now want to confuse independence of thought with her family role of assisting her with what she wishes to achieve and they are entirely different matters. 

6 hours ago, Marcin said:

I have a daughter at the age of Greta, and I will never use her in the way her parents are using her. I do not follow her story, so do not know details, for me it is simply disgusting.

You have fallen into the trap of believing her parents are using her when it is very much the other way around.

5 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Why would any parent subject their child to the social media abuse  she has had?? Especially a child with Asperger's, unbelievable!!

The commentary here is symptomatic of the ignorance which leads to her abuse in social and mainstream media, but the irony is that her spectrum disorder allows her to see through that and turn it to her advantage.

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6 hours ago, Papillon said:

Therefore the line 'how you choose to inform yourself' becomes somewhat ironic when discussing any topic with you at all I fear.

The linked article demonstrated that there is an opposite view, however, it failed to present any evidence to support its contention in its ironic finale.

5 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

All knowledge is opinion.  

Might be a good idea to stick to day trading and leave philosophy alone, unless you think that what you see as you read this post is not a post, but just your opinion, in which case you are welcome to the world of infinite regress.

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33 minutes ago, remake it said:

So many posting here claim she has "handlers" but have no evidence that this is so because she is quite capable of independent thought and actions -  things which are well proven

Sir I do not doubt this, what I doubt is the achievement of a teenager through good will and intention alone making her way into a UN meeting. If you believe this and worldwide trips to be possible through merely her parents' funding and, as Mr Lu seems to suggest, by being some sort of genius, then I simply disagree. The only usage I have seen on here of the term 'handler' is with respect to yourself sir, though I am happy to be proved wrong. 

33 minutes ago, remake it said:

The commentary here is symptomatic of the ignorance which leads to her abuse in social and mainstream media,

Though I disagree with the abuse sir, the fact you have referenced yet again MSM and social media speaks volumes of your sources and where you seem to spend your time I'm afraid. So yet again, I hate to state it, but the use of the word 'ignorance' from yourself is a little hard to swallow at present. 

I am happy to discuss this further but as others have suggested maybe you should start a Greta thread if it suits you sir? This has nothing at all to do with China or the American President, or indeed paper cuts. 

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4 hours ago, Papillon said:

 

Enjoying their innocence and childhood, as I was at that age.

 

By 15 I wasn't so innocent... started going to drinking parties and was highly focused on girls. 

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"All knowledge is opinion."

 

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4 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

By 15 I wasn't so innocent... started going to drinking parties and was highly focused on girls. 

We all were sir. So, enjoying your childhood, correct? Think innocent in terms of 'the world ahead of you' then as you were clearly a little rascal. 

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8 minutes ago, Papillon said:

The only usage I have seen on here of the term 'handler' is with respect to yourself sir, though I am happy to be proved wrong. 

 

18 hours ago, ronwagn said:

I might have some level of respect for her if she were to go to China and India and tell them what to do. Her handlers do not have that on their agenda. Any idea why? 

 

18 hours ago, Papillon said:

Then with respect sir, attack her 'handlers' and the 'socialist movement' rather than a teenage girl

Or is this opinion?

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15 minutes ago, Papillon said:

the fact you have referenced yet again MSM and social media speaks volumes of your sources and where you seem to spend your time I'm afraid

You need to separate the "information" from its source else fall into a logical trap, while the introduction of "Greta" to this thread was an issue raised by others and their ignorance is here being addressed.  

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25 minutes ago, remake it said:

Or is this opinion?

No sir, with rapidly lessening respect, they are quotes that I have literally just told you I am happy to be proven wrong to see if you remember? It was not very long ago sir. Maybe you need to read the end of the first quote again? 

Perhaps you could ignore ronwagn's 'handler' comment and answer his actual question then, or anybody's for that matter, rather than this constant 'holier than thou' attitude I notice with everyone here? That is of course assuming you can pull yourself away from teenager's facebook pages and MSM long enough. 

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3 minutes ago, Papillon said:

they are quotes that I have literally just told you I am happy to be proven wrong to see if you remember?

 

37 minutes ago, Papillon said:

The only usage I have seen on here of the term 'handler' is with respect to yourself sir, though I am happy to be proved wrong. 

So when you are shown a sequence of posts in this thread where others made prior mention of the term handler it does not constitute proof?

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8 minutes ago, Papillon said:

Perhaps you could ignore ronwagn's 'handler' comment and answer his actual question then,

That was immediately addressed

17 hours ago, remake it said:
18 hours ago, ronwagn said:

I might have some level of respect for her if she were to go to China and India and tell them what to do. Her handlers do not have that on their agenda. Any idea why? 

Yes, the spectrum Greta comes under does not have scope for "handlers" so those who make these comments should first do their homework.

 

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Yes of course it does sir. My point was I said I was HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG, so am not sure, as always, why you felt the need to add 'is this opinion?' with your rather pathetic trademark attitude. May I suggest you actually read what others say rather than trying to reply with some immature quip beforehand? Also, for around the fourth time, your reading of MSM and Facebook, and dare I say age, speaks volumes. 

22 minutes ago, remake it said:

That was immediately addressed

Make that for the fifth time as that link is her Facebook page. It seems somewhat of an addiction sir. If anyone wants answers from you, you present them Facebook as if it is a fountain of pure knowledge. May I suggest some fresh air? I asked you to answer his question and to attempt to pull yourself away from social media. You replied you have addressed his question with a link to Facebook. This is called irony sir.

It wasn't even my self that made reference to opinions and knowledge, it was the users Enthalpic and Zhong Lu. Therefore I feel you do not tend to even read who said what, you simply wish to try and argue? Let me be the first to enlighten you that that will be a rather fruitless endeavour on your behalf sir. That is a fact and not an opinion.

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On 12/1/2019 at 7:49 PM, remake it said:

Then why do folk like you continue to believe rubbish claims when there is no basis to support them?

Heeeeee's Baaaaack!!

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18 minutes ago, Papillon said:

Make that for the fifth time as that link is her Facebook page.

Serious miscalculation as it is based on the nature of Thunberg's spectrum disorder and has nothing to do do with any media or social media however given your apparent interest in her perhaps open a new thread to her devotion.

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It is a link to Facebook sir and Facebook is social media in my universe. Why don't you start the thread with your trademark literacy, wit and overwhelming popularity?

I am devoted to her? This is from the person that seems to spend all his time on her Facebook page and knows, or thinks he knows, her entire life story, including of her parents? Do you ever think before typing or just slam away like a monkey sir? I fear even you don't know what you're saying half the time. It is a little tragic.

You seem to be an utter buffoon. Trust me, some fresh air and a hobby will do you the world of good. Good day.

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5 hours ago, Marcin said:

When you have a friend doing stupid things, shooting himself in the foot, you say: Dude get your act together.

The same is with current trajectory of the United States, constantly shooting itself in the foot. The thing is this developments, weakenining of the country, present no direct danger to United States and its people. Current path per my assessment could lead to US being more isolationist, but US still will be well-off, safe and secure at its own continent of North America. But this could not be said about smaller countries currently living under the umbrella of US military and economy. Smaller countries would be vulnerable as exposed to vast power of authoritarian country (dictatorship) - China. In the long term, say after 25 or more years this isolationism will come back to United States as appetite and power of China will increase (imagine developed economy of 50 trillion dollars GDP, behemoth like Roman Empire in ancient Mediterranean region), it will be seeking resources and markets in US backyard: Latin America. At future 30 million bbl/d consumption, insatiable Chinese demand for oil could only be fulfilled by usage of Orinoco heavy oil from Venezuela.

With this premise in mind I would enumerate major weak points of US:

1. Lost independence and degradation of Federal Reserve. It started long ago but it came back hunting US since Great Depression. It starts with organization of staffing of the FED Board. Members are resigning en masse after serving a few years. Membership is just a good point in CV that is later discounted in better jobs. The weakest members of the Board stay to become Chairs. The fact that US President can fire FED Chair is a bad option. Solution is simple: in case the Member resigns before 14 years term, all his earnings till the end of the term plus 5 years are forfeited by the state. He is by law not elligible for any job in any company in the United States and it is felony. Till the end of 14 years term.

The results of bad staffing and revolving doors practise are irresponsible decisions. ZIRP policy was good for a short time after Great Depression, but it became a rule (Zero Interest Rates Policy), I mean real rates after CPI deduction. During most of last decade these were actually NIRPs in real terms (Negative Interest Rates Policy).

In US society without safety net of other developed states (and related redistribution of majority of the income), ZIRP or NIRP policies are increasing inequalities in US society. US is currently more like South Africa than Germany. It is simpy destroying middle class. Slowly but inevitably turning US into oligarchy. There are many other negative effects: no savings, distortion of economic policies of corporations, keeping zombie companies from bankruptsy, too much leverage, unproductive leverage in all parts of economy and society.

A few more years of kicking the can down the road left, before de-dollarization will really kick in.

@Ward Smith The topic is Trump's China strategy (and not substantiated by my opinion notion of Fox journalist that US won the trade war with China)

1. So my first comment was explanation: why trade war is the secondary aspect of US-China supremacy conflict. Please read it as you will not see it in mass media. And I also explained why the core of the conflict is currently technology and why US cannot win or loose it in longer term.

2. I also presented my analysis and scenario of the USvthe World and Chinavsthe World future relations and why Trump needs also strategy for the United States. Strategy to solve US domestic problems. The first one I described is lost independence of FED and thus irresponsible and self-damaging monetary policy of the United States.

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17 minutes ago, Papillon said:

It is a link to Facebook sir and Facebook is social media in my universe. Why don't you start the thread with your trademark literacy, wit and overwhelming popularity?

You keep confusing information with sources, and now are falling into the well worn trap of posters here who prefer to attack the person rather than the subject at issue.

20 minutes ago, Papillon said:

Trust me, some fresh air and a hobby will do you the world of good. Good day.

Oh, were you not aware that this is a hobby enjoyed from travelling the world on a yacht?

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You obtain what you see as information from these awful sources sir, and from what I can see you attack everybody here with a rather annoying and argumentative attitude if I may say so. Dare I say it is all you do at all and the reason users do not appreciate it and reply in a similar fashion. I will not bother to converse further with you as the subject of issue as you call it cannot be argued or analysed in any sense with what you believe to be credible sources.

You tend to turn all argument around to others and even when asked to start a thread you turned that round to myself started one, after one of your little adolescent quips. Start a new conversation if you wish to as this is even further off the rails sir. I will also note you have just referenced a BBC article on another thread, so yet again, very questionable. You clearly are not aware of its awful reputation in recent years sir but I cannot help but feel with respect that you believe literally anything you read, including teenage social media, unless someone stated it on here. Then you merely wish to argue. I do not understand it or have time for it.

5 hours ago, remake it said:

Oh, were you not aware that this is a hobby enjoyed from travelling the world on a yacht?

Yes sir, I am more than aware of this, but in my world yachts are not paid for by the salaries of, for example, Greta Thunberg's parents. Even if they were sir, to you it appears this is her acting 'independently', as Facebook told you so no doubt. The yacht also does not, I assume, come with some form of golden ticket to the UN like in a Roald Dahl book.

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9 hours ago, Papillon said:

From what I have seen of your content, I presume this is the reason you have been arguing with other users with regard to the President's impeachment hearings. I would strongly suggest that you atleast consider changing your journalistic sources sir, if only for a fuller spectrum of potential information. As you yourself stated, 'how you choose to inform yourself is a matter of your discretion', but it appears you have not been 'discreet' in establishing what you read, for instance an individual's Facebook page as proof of apparently anything, and that will do you no favors I fear.

   Remake it is, as you say, obviously getting his information directly from the DNC, NYT, Washington Post, CNN, etc, where it is blatantly and painfully apparent that none of those organizations actually hired any employees that have any discernible knowledge of the proper reporting procedures that they should. If you were to actually read or listen to any of these supposed news sources you would almost instantly realize that they are reporting not facts, which is what the news is supposed to be, but they are writing editorials in place of articles now. I canceled my subscription to my local newspaper for that very reason.

   I cannot believe that a person could spend so many years in the halls of higher learning and come out with nothing more than what I am seeing happening. I also have a difficult time believing that there are so many that would even accept a job with these supposed "news outlets" and even be able to hold their head up with any shred of dignity, they have obviously been told what they are going to say and how they are going to say it. News reporting has become so much about opinion now, and the children today are being taught to do what they are told, with enough education to do so without questioning.

   It is so sad that our country has come down to this, and I do believe we are about to have another revolutionary war as it were, the Liberals that want socialism vs the conservatives that want our constitution upheld again. I do see so many parallels from the days when Hitler was rising to power that it really does scare the be-jesus out of me. The liberals have no clue what they are wanting to give up, and they have no idea how badly they will fare under socialism. And even pointing out Venezuela does no good, for they believe in rainbows and unicorns, they need comfort animals and safe spaces for their feelings. The gay community is starting to dictate how sex ed is taught in schools now, and I'll tell you, the conservatives have been standing quietly in the shadows warning the liberals to stop. I do believe they won't understand until it is way too late to turn the tide back to what was..... We will turn them back, I promise you.

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1 hour ago, Marcin said:

@Ward Smith The topic is Trump's China strategy (and not substantiated by my opinion notion of Fox journalist that US won the trade war with China)

1. So my first comment was explanation: why trade war is the secondary aspect of US-China supremacy conflict. Please read it as you will not see it in mass media. And I also explained why the core of the conflict is currently technology and why US cannot win or loose it in longer term.

2. I also presented my analysis and scenario of the USvthe World and Chinavsthe World future relations and why Trump needs also strategy for the United States. Strategy to solve US domestic problems. The first one I described is lost independence of FED and thus irresponsible and self-damaging monetary policy of the United States.

Payne interviewed Peter Morici who was in agreement even though his other writing aptly demonstrates Peter is no fan of Trump (nor conservative principles).

I believe trade war secondary was the entire thrust of the article linked. Did you not read it because you saw a scary black man who happens to work for Fox Business (not to be confused with Fox News)? 

I'm not against what you said, if you read my post to @Papillon you'll see I said I was in general agreement with you. My point here was to encourage you to create a new thread, where hopefully your good thoughts won't be swamped among over 100 posts, many of them completely irrelevant. For instance delving into the Fed from a legitimate viewpoint would be a breath of fresh air. 

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10 hours ago, Papillon said:

Do you ever think before typing or just slam away like a monkey sir? I fear even you don't know what you're saying half the time. It is a little tragic.

You seem to be an utter buffoon. Trust me, some fresh air and a hobby will do you the world of good. Good day.

Nailed it Papillon!

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10 hours ago, remake it said:

rather than the subject at issue.

If you wish to continue this discussion sir then I suggest you comment on the Greta / Marxist thread and I will be happy to do so. For the record the 'subject at issue' is with regard to Donald Trump and China, but you seem to wish to discuss this teenager instead, so do it on a connected thread please as users have suggested and I will join you there. 

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2 minutes ago, Papillon said:

If you wish to continue this discussion sir then I suggest you comment on the Greta / Marxist thread and I will be happy to do so. For the record the 'subject at issue' is with regard to Donald Trump and China, but you seem to wish to discuss this teenager instead, so do it on a connected thread please as users have suggested and I will join you there. 

Wow you have more patience than I Papillon!

You must be a glutton for punishment🤣

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Maybe so sir, maybe so. I simply wish to see if this person is capable of conversation without providing a link and seeming to say 'I read this, therefore it is undisputable fact'. If indeed this is the case, that of being incapable, then he or she may aswell get a tattoo on their forehead along the lines of 'I am always correct' and just be done with it. By definition there is no merit, point or value in a discussion with a person such as this.

I don't believe he or she will comment anyway, due to the instant attempt at reversing the idea to myself when I suggested moving to a different thread here, (so forgive me but I will state it here).This appears to be a simplistic form of debate, the instant reversal as it were, while never presenting anything of substance, atleast to myself, as I do not consider Facebook worthy of mention almost on any occasion. I simply do not comprehend currently how he or she does not see bias in a personal Facebook bio, or for that matter one on Instagram, LinkedIn, Tinder, a CV - take your pick sir. Any format where you are literally advertising yourself will inevitably contain the odd white lie. The user seems to not see this and takes it all as utterly factual, most likely because he or she wants it to be.

Remake it, it is also plain to see from her bio that this girl, with whatever condition we decide to label her as having, did not write it alone. The English, for a child with English as a second language, is of too good a standard, and as I stated before she does not seem to attend school very often, plus it was then noted she left school at fifteen. To believe she wrote this bio alone, let alone a UN speech, is rather ignorant and dare I say idiotic sir. If the reply is going to be along the lines of 'there are translating apps' then I will simply ask if you believe no one had input or checked this speech before she made it? What I mean sir is do you believe she wrote a speech, alone, and literally stood up and said it to the UN? No questions asked? No checks? And do you also believe she understands the intricacies of global economics enough to comment on that to world leaders? If the answer to any of these is 'yes' then I will stick with idiotic. If the answer to any is 'no' then she does not, by definition, do what she does 'independently'. So take your pick sir as I am close now to beyond caring and avoiding your input altogether I'm afraid to say, plus with respect I have a feeling I know what the answer will be already.

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46 minutes ago, Papillon said:

And do you also believe she understands the intricacies of global economics enough to comment on that to world leaders?

I am not sure that she pretends to or if it is the question at hand. I don't really agree with her militant approach, but simply stating that we humans need to take better care of planet is not wrong to me. Honestly, people on this forum tend to accept the means if the end-goal is worthy when it comes to Trump. The same leniancy is not extend to Greta Thunberg, enviromentalists or the EU...

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