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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Actually speaking to Canada contribution i do not believe they have any skin in the game and should remain quite silent..just a thought.

Yes everything is nice and peaceful up here. Jealous?

If I stay silent you won't learn.

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8 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Trump beat a woman with a scandalous past. Beating a white male will be much harder... dementia doesn't matter, look at all the silly trump clips they have as ammunition.

In one sense you are correct...take the time to analyze your own thoughts...Electing a american president that has dementia...As we speak the group that supports Biden is doing everything humanly possible to avoid a debate and election..They want the vote now...simply because Biden will not engage in the debates it is not possible that is how frail he truly is.

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12 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Yes everything is nice and peaceful up here. Jealous?

If I stay silent you won't learn.

No time for jealousy.....after all what is there to be jealous of...???

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6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Counting should be by hand, not by machines which can be tinkered with. 

 

6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Ballot harvesting has become the favorite way to cheat in California and will be spread around the nation

 

6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

We have seen that computer votes cannot be verified

 

6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

When I say lost, I mean to hackers from foreign countries and ordinary criminals. 

Questions I have....

Is there a conspiracy theory you DON'T subscribe to?  Forget the fog created by COVID, it seems like you are living through your own version.

Why can't the "greatest democracy in the history of the planet" get the voting process right?

 

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11 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In one sense you are correct...take the time to analyze your own thoughts...Electing a american president that has dementia...As we speak the group that supports Biden is doing everything humanly possible to avoid a debate and election..They want the vote now...simply because Biden will not engage in the debates it is not possible that is how frail he truly is.

In a situation when even no president would be far better option than Trump that actively destroys America, the gloves are off. And even when dementia is discussed, Donald Trump bragging that he "aced" the test for senile people does not give exactly an image of sound mental stability nor high IQ. 

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19 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Trump beat a woman with a scandalous past. Beating a white male will be much harder... dementia doesn't matter, look at all the silly trump clips they have as ammunition.

Did...did you just say Whhuuuyte MALE!!?

We will never escape 2016

 

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1 minute ago, UNC12345 said:

 

 

 

Questions I have....

Is there a conspiracy theory you DON'T subscribe to?  Forget the fog created by COVID, it seems like you are living through your own version.

Why can't the "greatest democracy in the history of the planet" get the voting process right?

 

Probably not, Trump taught their followers that they can deny any fact that does not suit their narrative, and live in strange fantasies like he does. That's a problem when there is an objective task at hand, like stopping a worldwide pandemic, where people blinded by their own lies operate at a severe disadvantage. 

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7 minutes ago, Yoshiro Kamamura said:

In a situation when even no president would be far better option than Trump that actively destroys America, the gloves are off. And even when dementia is discussed, Donald Trump bragging that he "aced" the test for senile people does not give exactly an image of sound mental stability nor high IQ. 

Ohh young one the US does not roll like that...Yes the gloves are off and life will be coming your way...Imagine the If you will....

 

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19 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In one sense you are correct...take the time to analyze your own thoughts...Electing a american president that has dementia...As we speak the group that supports Biden is doing everything humanly possible to avoid a debate and election..They want the vote now...simply because Biden will not engage in the debates it is not possible that is how frail he truly is.

I think they don't want to win and are probably planning ahead for future elections. The exact same thing happened in the UK with the actual communist Corbyn gaining control of the Labour Party or even when Bliar handed over the reins to Gordon "end of boom and bust" Brown.

 

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32 minutes ago, UNC12345 said:

 

 

 

Questions I have....

Is there a conspiracy theory you DON'T subscribe to?  Forget the fog created by COVID, it seems like you are living through your own version.

Why can't the "greatest democracy in the history of the planet" get the voting process right?

 

We had it right to a certain degree. Then John F. Kennedy supporters won buy stealing votes in Chicago. I was a J.F. K. fan. Chicago politics was notably corrupt. 

Trump favors absentee voting, just not general mail in voting. My wife and I vote early , in Illinois, to avoid lines. 

I have never been absent for a vote. 

Delayed vote counts have become notorious for voter harvesting. It happened all over California where Demoncrats have total control. So, I am not willing to go for more ballot harvesting after Republicans won districts as happened last election in California, and I don't want the practice to proliferate, but it probably will. Ballot harvesting is real, not a conspiracy theory. It greatly destroys belief in the legitimacy of elections. The same is true when you do motor voter registration which means you are automatically registered when you get a drivers license, as in California. Illegals are eligible for drivers licenses in most states now, if not all. 

You want to stick your head in the sand, and I am sure it will stay there with most Demoncrats. 

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/four-more-plead-guilty-los-angeles-homeless-voter-fraud-scheme

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Why can't the "greatest democracy in the history of the planet" get the voting process right?

Bingo. Why are Americans today still identified by an obscure "social security number" that can be used by anyone to steal its owner identity? At least in Europe, people have ID cards that are not fool proof, but take some effort and skill to forge.

All the while technological groundwork for a better system already exists - each voter/citizen could be issued a personal certificate tied to a pair of cryptographic keys, one private and one public, and using the methods of asymmetric cryptography similar to PGP, TLS or others he could sign his votes, legal acts or correspondence using the private key, and anyone in the world could verify the if its genuine using the public key published by the certification authority. As long as the private key remains uncompromised (and the used cipher algorithms unbroken), such system could offer an unparalleled level of security. 

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17 minutes ago, El Nikko said:

 

I think they don't want to win and are probably planning ahead for future elections. The exact same thing happened in the UK with the actual communist Corbyn gaining control of the Labour Party or even when Bliar handed over the reins to Gordon "end of boom and bust" Brown.

 

That might be true in a sense,actually i have see no long range thinking on the Democratic leadership. When Bloomberg walked in and cleaned up there image then left the building it became quite apparent to me they desperately needed a win.

There is so much to loose if Trump wins it seems to almost defy the imagination. And that would be the Russian/Muller Investigation, Barr has exposed the trail all the way up to Obama and Biden down to foot soldiers who were sloppy and quite arrogant....One needs to think of the ramifications of a prosecution of such of a event....The US and a attempted political coup...imagine the shame and the anger...From all US citizens....

The whole affair almost broke loose with Flynns trial, at the last second it was buried in the courts once again and will stay buried until the election is over...Victor's write history not the loser's.

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7 minutes ago, Yoshiro Kamamura said:

Why can't the "greatest democracy in the history of the planet" get the voting process right?

Bingo. Why are Americans today still identified by an obscure "social security number" that can be used by anyone to steal its owner identity? At least in Europe, people have ID cards that are not fool proof, but take some effort and skill to forge.

All the while technological groundwork for a better system already exists - each voter/citizen could be issued a personal certificate tied to a pair of cryptographic keys, one private and one public, and using the methods of asymmetric cryptography similar to PGP, TLS or others he could sign his votes, legal acts or correspondence using the private key, and anyone in the world could verify the if its genuine using the public key published by the certification authority. As long as the private key remains uncompromised (and the used cipher algorithms unbroken), such system could offer an unparalleled level of security. 

Umm i hate to tell you this but the SS numbers are quite secure....but are held with deep secrecy beyond top secret stuff. As a mid level person working in finance 15 yrs ago i can tell you the Finance ind knew in seconds when someone was playing fraud..Yet at the same time no one was allowed to blow the whistle....it would have meant a carrer ending event...

One can fake a card yes but when run into the data base there are no fake numbers they are spotted instantly.

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

That might be true in a sense,actually i have see no long range thinking on the Democratic leadership. When Bloomberg walked in and cleaned up there image then left the building it became quite apparent to me they desperately needed a win.

There is so much to loose if Trump wins it seems to almost defy the imagination. And that would be the Russian/Muller Investigation, Barr has exposed the trail all the way up to Obama and Biden down to foot soldiers who were sloppy and quite arrogant....One needs to think of the ramifications of a prosecution of such of a event....The US and a attempted political coup...imagine the shame and the anger...From all US citizens....

The whole affair almost broke loose with Flynns trial, at the last second it was buried in the courts once again and will stay buried until the election is over...Victor's write history not the loser's.

The thing with Marxists/socialists or whatever you want to call them is that they understand the long game. The very first time I listened to Tucker on Gavin Mccinnes show quite a few years ago (a very funny interview) something really stuck in my head and that was was Tucker quoting an official that worked under Reagan as saying that "they went for the whitehouse while they (the dems) went for the institutions" or something along those lines...and they thought they'd won at the time...a bit like with Trump/Brexit. I'd be very careful in underestimating your oponents..ever notice how no matter what youo vote for things gradually or quickly move in the oposite direction.

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1 hour ago, El Nikko said:

The thing with Marxists/socialists or whatever you want to call them is that they understand the long game. The very first time I listened to Tucker on Gavin Mccinnes show quite a few years ago (a very funny interview) something really stuck in my head and that was was Tucker quoting an official that worked under Reagan as saying that "they went for the whitehouse while they (the dems) went for the institutions" or something along those lines...and they thought they'd won at the time...a bit like with Trump/Brexit. I'd be very careful in underestimating your oponents..ever notice how no matter what youo vote for things gradually or quickly move in the oposite direction.

Yes I do understand exactly what you are saying. Let us revisit history,the US and the world experienced a financial meltdown it was coined the housing crisis.

OBAMA walked on the scene and was elected a long held socialist dream. From the ashes we will rebuild.

Leap forward to 2016, the unimaginable occurred. Trump the outlier was elected along with a republican controlled house. Many of the old republican guard were cast out. The new administration virtually swept 8 yrs of socialist work out the door.

Only to be met with a campaign of scorched earth,there were no bondarys..no issue to large. From creating a baseless investigation to smearing a supreme ct nominee and a one party impeachment..

Oddly enough today we again face a financial crisis, we have a presidential nominee that will not expose himself to questioning or expose himself publicly to the masses. The Democratic party is demanding a new form of President voting before the PRESIDENTAL Debates even take place.

Now am I aware...perhaps a smidge...and sorely aware i could use a proof writing program.

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14 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Hahaha.  Look at your streets!

You praise trump no matter what happens.  Low-oil praise trump, high-oil praise trump.

The streets in question are, by a vast majority, in cities and States run by Liberal Democrats. It is Constitutionally the responsibility of these mayors and governors to protect their citizens and quell the rioting, the President must be ‘invited’ to step in. If no invitation is forwarded, the consequences fall squarely on the liberal state and local governments.

That said, as is the case in Portland, the FEDERAL government is required, by law, to protect FEDERAL property, such as the courthouse at the center of the illegal riots.

So yes, look at our streets, and place the blame where it belongs.

 

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On 7/31/2020 at 4:56 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Umm i hate to tell you this but the SS numbers are quite secure....but are held with deep secrecy beyond top secret stuff. As a mid level person working in finance 15 yrs ago i can tell you the Finance ind knew in seconds when someone was playing fraud..Yet at the same time no one was allowed to blow the whistle....it would have meant a carrer ending event...

One can fake a card yes but when run into the data base there are no fake numbers they are spotted instantly.

I may not understand you correctly but many organizations demand SS numbers even though they are not supposed to. Certainly hackers collect them on a regular basis. The federal government employees and veterans have been hacked many times. I just do not see how they could be secure. I was informed, years ago, that my veterans records were hacked and that I should take precautions. The SS Dept. screwed up my number by transposition and I was treated like a criminal not long before getting ready to retire. I don't trust the government with anything anymore. 

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Just got an application for mail in voting in Illinois. All I have to do is check a box saying I’ve lived at this address for more than 30 days and I’m the name it says. No chance of fraud there
 
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It's a negotiating tactic 
The eventual response will be that even in Civil War, WW2, Spanish flu pandemic, etc elections have gone on normally, and as scheduled. And the election results were largely undisputed.

So ... why introduce doubt and risk into the process by going this mail in voting route? If the traditional voting way was good enough then, it’s good enough now.

You can’t open negotiation with your final offer.
Trump just turned the lockdowns against them.
It's hillarious.

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1 minute ago, ronwagn said:

I may not understand you correctly but many organizations demand SS numbers even though they are not supposed to. Certainly hackers collect them on a regular basis. The federal government employees and veterans have been hacked many times. I just do not see how they could be secure. I was informed, years ago, that my veterans records were hacked and that I should take precautions. The SS Dept. screwed up my number by transposition and I was treated like a criminal not long before getting ready to retire. I don't trust the government with anything anymore. 

You questioning many aspects of SS number's

1. If you volunteer your number for a specific purpose then you lose any recourse for that specific purpose..You have volunteered 

 

1. The government that i cannot speak to i never was involved with any financial contracting..But you have experienced what happens with the govt getting involved it is serious stuff....imagine if you were a business explaining why they have your number so to speak.

Actually i am not a lawyer legal opinions on such matters would be insane

With that being said it would be easy to say never use another persons SS number in any manner....going on line..... leaves a IP address with a lender...walking into a bank one needs ID to authenticate they are who they say they are..if they blow that well the lender is on the line? Maybe the question is will they enforce a contract they know to be fraudulent....I do not think so there are rules against such practices. 

Remember it is your SS number did you authorize somebody to use it? Yes well you own it then....No well then someone else owns it...I think the question is when you dont authorize someone to use it and it happens Ohh they own it....and some will kick and scream thats not fair all the way to the courthouse doors...then suddenly get religion....Just a opinion your mileage will vary.

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27 minutes ago, Qanoil said:

It's a negotiating tactic 
The eventual response will be that even in Civil War, WW2, Spanish flu pandemic, etc elections have gone on normally, and as scheduled. And the election results were largely undisputed.

So ... why introduce doubt and risk into the process by going this mail in voting route? If the traditional voting way was good enough then, it’s good enough now.

You can’t open negotiation with your final offer.
Trump just turned the lockdowns against them.
It's hillarious.

< eye roll >

Fine don't use mail in ballots, just no delaying the election, that's BS.  No delaying his removal, not one day.

 

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21 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You questioning many aspects of SS number's

1. If you volunteer your number for a specific purpose then you lose any recourse for that specific purpose..You have volunteered 

 

1. The government that i cannot speak to i never was involved with any financial contracting..But you have experienced what happens with the govt getting involved it is serious stuff....imagine if you were a business explaining why they have your number so to speak.

Actually i am not a lawyer legal opinions on such matters would be insane

With that being said it would be easy to say never use another persons SS number in any manner....going on line..... leaves a IP address with a lender...walking into a bank one needs ID to authenticate they are who they say they are..if they blow that well the lender is on the line? Maybe the question is will they enforce a contract they know to be fraudulent....I do not think so there are rules against such practices. 

Remember it is your SS number did you authorize somebody to use it? Yes well you own it then....No well then someone else owns it...I think the question is when you dont authorize someone to use it and it happens Ohh they own it....and some will kick and scream thats not fair all the way to the courthouse doors...then suddenly get religion....Just a opinion your mileage will vary.

SS numbers are not that secure. Your employer has it, revenue agency uses it all the time, etc.

I think they (SIN) are protected B in Canada.  So "need to know basis only" but low risk of severe harm or embarrassment.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

SS numbers are not that secure. Your employer has it, revenue agency uses it all the time, etc.

I think they (SIN) are protected B in Canada.  So "need to know basis only" but low risk of severe harm or embarrassment.

 

 

As i have said before you are a card. I do believe the fine as of now is 100k if there files are not under lock and key...per person exposed....Laying of a desk during processing and leave that desk unattended ...shes 5k for the person attending the desk and 10k for the employer. And to your point random audits are preformed across the country...any lending institution is audited several times a yr...A bit of a no knock raid...very cordial when they walk in. One slip and out comes the fines and every mgr on deck.

Opps just had a thought..walk into a small business and see if one... you can find those files...and two what happens when you get into that area. 

Medium to large...corps have them on the mainframe...good luck with that but there are a few that get the meat so to speak.

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7 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

As i have said before you are a card. I do believe the fine as of now is 100k if there files are not under lock and key...per person exposed....Laying of a desk during processing and leave that desk unattended ...shes 5k for the person attending the desk and 10k for the employer. And to your point random audits are preformed across the country...any lending institution is audited several times a yr...A bit of a no knock raid...very cordial when they walk in. One slip and out comes the fines and every mgr on deck.

I got dinged by audits twice...

Once I forgot to double envelope a protected B document and the mail room busted me (the outer envelope must not say it is classified, the inner envelope must say it is classified).

Another time I left my office door unlocked, even though my filling cabinet and desk was locked, I got written up by the security team anyways. 

No fines, internal audit and nothing was leaked.

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7 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

I got dinged by audits twice...

Once I forgot to double envelope a protected B document and the mail room busted me (the outer envelope must not say it is classified, the inner envelope must say it is classified).

Another time I left my office door unlocked, even though my filling cabinet and desk was locked, I got written up by the security team anyways. 

No fines, internal audit and nothing was leaked.

Either you were not in the US or a US auditor did not do the inspection....

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