Is it time to talk about Hydrogen?

[JoMack + 549]

1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said:

Whew!  I hope you feel better?  I do, and I didn't even type/write it!   

Hey, I always feel a bit better when I bitch about the government when it thinks it can control the climate, coronavirus or themselves.  John Kerry is a top notch beyond idiot who lives off his wife's largesse from selling ketchup.  If he didn't have her (and she's not all there) he'd be working in a chicken parts factory at Tyson and that would be a long shot! He's the Climate Czar in the Biden Administration, which is a crock!  A man who screams at the hoi polloi about unplugging our toasters, and tells us the sea levels are rising so you all better get your shit together,  buys a $12 million mansion on Martha's Vineyard.  Last time I looked Martha's Vineyard was an island.  You know, surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean. What a fool and he's going to regulate the oil and gas industry?  

I'm just a schlub Petroleum Landman with a small company that has about 100 or so wells in the Permian Basin in New Mexico.  One of the Petroleum Engineers who works with the BLM was told by the guy he has worked with for at least 10 years was told that if we planned to drill we better hustle and get our drilling permits in before year-end.  Interior is already making noise that the Biden Administration is not going to allow drilling permits to be approved.  So, they're not even in office and they have already started screwing with our company.  I'm absolutely positive every company that has operations on Federal lands is trying to figure out how the hell they're going to increase production next year.  The Saudi's and Russia just crushed oil prices in March and the industry has yet to recover with demand in the dumpster.  So, I like the discussion section of this website since there doesn't seem to be any censorship.  

So, you'll find me here and there putting in my two cents for what it's worth.  And, yes, I do feel better.  Thanks for asking

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

4 minutes ago, JoMack said:

Hey, I always feel a bit better when I bitch about the government when it thinks it can control the climate, coronavirus or themselves.  John Kerry is a top notch beyond idiot who lives off his wife's largesse from selling ketchup.  If he didn't have her (and she's not all there) he'd be working in a chicken parts factory at Tyson and that would be a long shot! He's the Climate Czar in the Biden Administration, which is a crock!  A man who screams at the hoi polloi about unplugging our toasters, and tells us the sea levels are rising so you all better get your shit together,  buys a $12 million mansion on Martha's Vineyard.  Last time I looked Martha's Vineyard was an island.  You know, surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean. What a fool and he's going to regulate the oil and gas industry?  

I'm just a schlub Petroleum Landman with a small company that has about 100 or so wells in the Permian Basin in New Mexico.  One of the Petroleum Engineers who works with the BLM was told by the guy he has worked with for at least 10 years was told that if we planned to drill we better hustle and get our drilling permits in before year-end.  Interior is already making noise that the Biden Administration is not going to allow drilling permits to be approved.  So, they're not even in office and they have already started screwing with our company.  I'm absolutely positive every company that has operations on Federal lands is trying to figure out how the hell they're going to increase production next year.  The Saudi's and Russia just crushed oil prices in March and the industry has yet to recover with demand in the dumpster.  So, I like the discussion section of this website since there doesn't seem to be any censorship.  

So, you'll find me here and there putting in my two cents for what it's worth.  And, yes, I do feel better.  Thanks for asking

Fantastic.  Welcome.  Your rants, er comments, are relevant and obviously heartfelt, showing your perspective.  That is all real, and it's a treat to read as well.  See you around!

[Wombat + 1,028]

Some more info:

Britain’s Richest Man Plans To Make Hydrogen Cars Mainstream | OilPrice.com

[Prometheus1354 + 178]

On 11/25/2020 at 9:31 AM, JoMack said:

Hey, I always feel a bit better when I bitch about the government when it thinks it can control the climate, coronavirus or themselves.  John Kerry is a top notch beyond idiot who lives off his wife's largesse from selling ketchup.  If he didn't have her (and she's not all there) he'd be working in a chicken parts factory at Tyson and that would be a long shot! He's the Climate Czar in the Biden Administration, which is a crock!  A man who screams at the hoi polloi about unplugging our toasters, and tells us the sea levels are rising so you all better get your shit together,  buys a $12 million mansion on Martha's Vineyard.  Last time I looked Martha's Vineyard was an island.  You know, surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean. What a fool and he's going to regulate the oil and gas industry?  

I'm just a schlub Petroleum Landman with a small company that has about 100 or so wells in the Permian Basin in New Mexico.  One of the Petroleum Engineers who works with the BLM was told by the guy he has worked with for at least 10 years was told that if we planned to drill we better hustle and get our drilling permits in before year-end.  Interior is already making noise that the Biden Administration is not going to allow drilling permits to be approved.  So, they're not even in office and they have already started screwing with our company.  I'm absolutely positive every company that has operations on Federal lands is trying to figure out how the hell they're going to increase production next year.  The Saudi's and Russia just crushed oil prices in March and the industry has yet to recover with demand in the dumpster.  So, I like the discussion section of this website since there doesn't seem to be any censorship.  

So, you'll find me here and there putting in my two cents for what it's worth.  And, yes, I do feel better.  Thanks for asking

Thank You!!!   I couldn't have described that Dolt Kerry any better.  Nor the Socialist agenda he's gonna be given free reign over.  (Ahem)

It amazes me how the Left can scream about how "Evil" the Oil industry is; yet zip around the globe in private planes & limos.  Guess those run on Pink Unicorn piss...

 

 

[Wombat + 1,028]

More info on H2 possibilities in USA:

Can Hydrogen Energy Save Coal Country? | OilPrice.com

[Michael Sanches + 187]

Remember, hydrogen is not a fuel source. It is an energy storage device like lithium batteries.

Fuels sources include:

1. The sun. These include:
a. Solar (both direct - photovoltaic and indirect - heat channeled onto a boiler)
b. Wind (Air pressure differences)
c. Water turbines (Hydrological cycle)
d. Biomass (energy is produced as sugars which we convert to alcohols) (We can also burn the biomass)

2. Fossil fuels - coal, oil, natural gas, energy previously stored as carbon molecules from biomass

3. Nuclear

4. Esoteric, such as the moon (tidal), residual planetary heat (geothermal)

Since we don't mine or harvest hydrogen, it is an energy storage device, like batteries.

Therefore, hydrogen's usefulness as a power source is dependent on:
1. The cost of the holding device
2. The conversion rate of energy required to fill the hydrogen storage device compared to the usable energy received from emptying the storage device.

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

56 minutes ago, Michael Sanches said:

Since we don't mine or harvest hydrogen,

It's trivial to reform natural gas and recover the hydrogen.

You could harvest H2 from anaerobic digesters at waste water treatment plants (and methane).

The worst thing to do is electrolysis because you'll waste more power splitting off the H2 from the H2O then you'll ever get back reoxidizing it. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 11/11/2020 at 4:02 AM, NickW said:

There has also been a major improvement in NIMH batteries. I bought a load to feed into my sons pile of toys but also torches. Switched a torch on the other day which I hadn't used for months - power still the same. 20 years ago they seemed to lose most of their charge after a few months. 

So, when can I quit buying disposable double A batteries and economically go to rechargeable batteries NIMH or Lithium? The same goes for lawn mower batteries which only last a couple of years. Car batteries are usually good for a five years or so. Deep cycles batteries seem no better. 

[NickW + 2,714]

2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

So, when can I quit buying disposable double A batteries and economically go to rechargeable batteries NIMH or Lithium? The same goes for lawn mower batteries which only last a couple of years. Car batteries are usually good for a five years or so. Deep cycles batteries seem no better. 

Ive been using 12 VARTA AA 2000mah batteries for 4 years. They are fine. Get recharged regularly as they generally fill my sons toys and he hasn't learnt where the off switch is yet😉

More recently bought a load of JCB branded AA, AAA, C and D sized batteries - all seem to work well and hold their charge. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

10 hours ago, NickW said:

Ive been using 12 VARTA AA 2000mah batteries for 4 years. They are fine. Get recharged regularly as they generally fill my sons toys and he hasn't learnt where the off switch is yet😉

More recently bought a load of JCB branded AA, AAA, C and D sized batteries - all seem to work well and hold their charge. 

Many thanks, I will try them again. It has been decades since I gave up on rechargeables. 

Here is something I found from another reliable source.  https://www.ign.com/articles/best-rechargeable-batteries

[Wombat + 1,028]

Here's one for Ron:

BHP seals deal with Shell to fuel LNG-powered ship fleet (msn.com)

[Hiten Shah + 22]

Fundamental difference between Hydrogen  and Other Fuels Hydrogen can be produced on demand and at site. Hence using Technology it’s possible to reduce storage and transportation loss. Hence efficiency can be greatly increased. Beauty of Hydrogen is we don't need large hydrogen production for economies of scale. We can have mini Electrolysers at different locations. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Hiten Shah

[Wombat + 1,028]

19 minutes ago, Hiten Shah said:

Fundamental difference between Hydrogen  and Other Fuels Hydrogen can be produced on demand and at site. Hence using Technology it’s possible to reduce storage and transportation loss. Hence efficiency can be greatly increased. Beauty of Hydrogen is we don't need large hydrogen production for economies of scale. We can have mini Electrolysers at different locations. 

Welcome to the site Hiten. If H2 was cost-effective, it would already be in mass production. You are correct that technology is reducing storage and transport costs, but large-scale production using very cheap renewable energy is necessary to achieve economies of scale. As for mini electrolyzers, these might have niche applications in the military and remote places, once the H2 economy becomes mainstream and there are a lot of H2 powered vehicles. My guess is that consumers will eventually demand hybrid vehicles that are both H2 fuel cell/battery powered. Might take 30 years, but that would be the ultimate in cheap, green motoring.

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,190]

On 11/30/2020 at 12:31 AM, ronwagn said:

So, when can I quit buying disposable double A batteries and economically go to rechargeable batteries NIMH or Lithium? The same goes for lawn mower batteries which only last a couple of years. Car batteries are usually good for a five years or so. Deep cycles batteries seem no better. 

https://www.amazon.com/exceptional-performance-Excellent-off-grid-fraction/dp/B078GKKN17

Unlike lead acid, carbon foam lead can have a low voltage foreve.  Unlike lead acid, the usable DoD is 70%(can be higher but with lower cycles).  Cycle life is over 2000.  Can be used with every normal charger out there.  If use 30% DoD, cycle life is over 10,000 is identical to Lithium Iron Phosphate which cannot be charged below freezing, and cost 2X as much. Oh yea, unlike Lead acid with their measly 0.2C discharge these buggers have 1C charge/discharge.  And unlike LiFePo, it can be used as a starter battery without hurting them.  So pulling 600+ amps is Ok. Efficiency?  Over 90% is what they claim.

Friend of mine has had them for ~10 years now on their boat. No change in Capacity. He also says their claimed efficiency is low and they are being conservative.  Or, my friend can't read an voltmeter/ampmeter... 😃

Unfortunately they cannot get funding to set up production and are limited to G31 size which for the most part does not fit car starter batteries dimensions as they are larger. 

LiFePo requires expensive chargers, alternators, surge protectors, BMS, so when all is said and done?  These batteries are actually 2X-->3X cheaper unless you are making a stupidly large battery bank. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by footeab@yahoo.com

[ronwagn + 6,290]

11 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

https://www.amazon.com/exceptional-performance-Excellent-off-grid-fraction/dp/B078GKKN17

Unlike lead acid, carbon foam lead can have a low voltage foreve.  Unlike lead acid, the usable DoD is 70%(can be higher but with lower cycles).  Cycle life is over 2000.  Can be used with every normal charger out there.  If use 30% DoD, cycle life is over 10,000 is identical to Lithium Iron Phosphate which cannot be charged below freezing, and cost 2X as much. Oh yea, unlike Lead acid with their measly 0.2C discharge these buggers have 1C charge/discharge.  And unlike LiFePo, it can be used as a starter battery without hurting them.  So pulling 600+ amps is Ok. Efficiency?  Over 90% is what they claim.

Friend of mine has had them for ~10 years now on their boat. No change in Capacity. He also says their claimed efficiency is low and they are being conservative.  Or, my friend can't read an voltmeter/ampmeter... 😃

Unfortunately they cannot get funding to set up production and are limited to G31 size which for the most part does not fit car starter batteries dimensions as they are larger. 

LiFePo requires expensive chargers, alternators, surge protectors, BMS, so when all is said and done?  These batteries are actually 2X-->3X cheaper unless you are making a stupidly large battery bank. 

Thanks. Over my head but not dealing with deep cycle right now. Reminds me. Time to trickle charge my one deep cell again. Letting them go doesn't seem to work like lithium. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 11/25/2020 at 6:00 AM, JoMack said:

In addition, subsidies would be astronomical for extraction and infrastructure would be an enormous hurdle.   Note, Keystone XL pipeline will not be completed under Biden, the Dakota Access Pipeline's updated use permit is stalled in court and will be terminated next year since the new Energy Czar, John Kerry, is Al Gore on steroids and pipelines are satan.  We'll be lucky to be holding oil and gas production at pre-Trump levels and dropping when the regulations start hitting the industry soon.  Kerry may be able to get Congress to agree to let billons go for hydrogen with little to show, of course, since the climate change religion must continue to accelerate and fed to the uninformed so Agreements like the Paris Climate Accord can be sustained, indefinitely.

The new House is nearly half Republican. If the price of gasoline goes up much there may be a Republican House and Senate in two years. Biden has not been elected, that is still being challenged. Republicans will hopefully win both Senate seats in Georgia, but only need a majority of one on most issues. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 11/11/2020 at 3:24 AM, NickW said:

Is the record pin stuck again?

Not everyone wants to be 100% reliant on imports. If Hydrogen from renewables has reached parity with natural gas* then it makes sense to utilise this if you have the renewable resources. It creates jobs locally and improves energy security. 

Also this approach allows a mass overbuild of renewables 

*Electricity is used where there is demand and surpluses are used to generate gas. 

Please read this short article from Forbes. There are two sides to this story. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2017/08/17/batteries-impose-hidden-environmental-costs-for-wind-and-solar-power/?sh=33c9b90ab4e1

Also, do you have current statistics on the amount of battery storage actually being used for wind turbines? All I have heard of was in Australia. 

[Vivian Fulk + 17]

I am a new investor putting my toe in the waters. I am enthusiastic about renewable energy. In 2010 we installed a Waterfurnace geothermal energy system for my home. In January 2020 we installed a photovoltaic net metered system. In 1995 we built our passive solar home. I studied Industrial Engineering in the 80's and did energy audits at manufacturing facilities like Frito Lay.  I just placed my first trade of $3000 for Royal Dutch Shell because they are steering away from burning. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-02/shell-wants-its-oil-refineries-to-make-things-you-don-t-burn.

But HYDROGEN is the TOPIC so I thought I would stay on topic. 

The reason I joined this group was this article on HYDROGEN https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Fuel-Cells/The-Most-Explosive-Hydrogen-Stocks-Of-The-Year.html

I have a colleague into hydrogen in South Africa. https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/south-africa-idc-dbsa-invest-in-fuel-cells-through-mitochondria-an-energy-service-provider/

Anyway, renewables will take off under this new administration. We need to read the tea leaves or get left behind. 

Cheers! Vivian

Edited December 2, 2020 by Vivian Fulk

[NickW + 2,714]

28 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Please read this short article from Forbes. There are two sides to this story. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2017/08/17/batteries-impose-hidden-environmental-costs-for-wind-and-solar-power/?sh=33c9b90ab4e1

Also, do you have current statistics on the amount of battery storage actually being used for wind turbines? All I have heard of was in Australia. 

Except a renewables over build / H2 systems gets around the need for batteries. 

[NickW + 2,714]

1 hour ago, Vivian Fulk said:

I am a new investor putting my toe in the waters. I am enthusiastic about renewable energy. In 2010 we installed a Waterfurnace geothermal energy system for my home. In January 2020 we installed a photovoltaic net metered system. In 1995 we built our passive solar home. I studied Industrial Engineering in the 80's and did energy audits at manufacturing facilities like Frito Lay.  I just placed my first trade of $3000 for Royal Dutch Shell because they are steering away from burning. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-02/shell-wants-its-oil-refineries-to-make-things-you-don-t-burn.

But HYDROGEN is the TOPIC so I thought I would stay on topic. 

The reason I joined this group was this article on HYDROGEN https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Fuel-Cells/The-Most-Explosive-Hydrogen-Stocks-Of-The-Year.html

I have a colleague into hydrogen in South Africa. https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/south-africa-idc-dbsa-invest-in-fuel-cells-through-mitochondria-an-energy-service-provider/

Anyway, renewables will take off under this new administration. We need to read the tea leaves or get left behind. 

Cheers! Vivian

A bloke I know has just been made redundant from O&G. His background is electrical and I said look at transferring into wind as the new farms in the North Sea are >1GW and the work pipeline is going to be decades. 

[Vivian Fulk + 17]

Researching hydrogen for investment and found this great video as a primer: 

 

[Rustyman + 4]

Both green and blue Ammonia projects are pulling in money internationally.  Green ammonia is being produced using the electrochemical Haber-Bosch process using a single BaZrO3-based protonic ceramic membrane reactor (PCMR), operating at atmospheric pressure  (Hydrogen generation occurs on a Ni-composite electrode).  Ammonia NH3 is in its liquid form and storage is not a problem.

Also, the hydrogen storage capacity (17.7 wt.%) and energy density (3000 Wh/kg) of ammonia is higher than those of methanol and other fuels.   Ammonia then is easily transported and using the crude "standard enthalpy of formation" hydrogen molecule model and allowing for efficiency loss then I am in the ballpark of natural gas -ish.   It appears that the on-site technique for ammonia-based hydrogen generation could by-pass the problems related to the purification and storage of hydrogen.  

Now some of us, are working on the back end, the place where splitting the ammonia happens, using Ru Ruthenium catalysts... (think of Ruthenium and platinum as the same in this instance)  (Ru is the most active catalyst) with carbon nanotubes for effective support, and KOH is the most effective promoter for on-site generation of hydrogen from ammonia decomposition.

How you use the hydrogen is a separate question.

 

[Rustyman + 4]

UK’s first pilot project to inject zero carbon hydrogen into a gas network to heat homes and businesses is now fully operational.

https://www.itm-power.com/news/hydeploy-uk-gas-grid-injection-of-hydrogen-in-full-operation

 

[Hiten Shah + 22]

Green Hydrogen will first replace Grey And Blue Hydrogen. Double blow to Natural Gas

Edited December 7, 2020 by Hiten Shah

[Bob D + 562]

Platinum has been on a tear lately relative to Gold and Silver in the Precious Metals space.

Can anyone confirm that Platinum is or is not involved in the Hydrogen Energy process?