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Thanks for that info. We do mountains a great deal of the time on vacation, so I do like the hybrid idea better. We also may tow up to 2,000 pounds. The Ecoboost does 4,000 pounds. 

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3 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

It's been many yrs, so I ask you this. The transit has a v6? That translates to 275 up and ft lbs of tourqe. For a reference those numbers represents very muc the same numbers used to power f250/350's 30 ft rv's 25 ft boats, also known as 460/454 engines.

Eric Gagen is concerned about using the Ecoboost with heavy loads in the mountains. That is what we need to consider, plus the mpg. The mpg is not comparable with the Ecoboost. 

I inherently wonder if the smaller engine and the boosting system is as long lasting. May just be my ignorance of engines though. I am also a big fan of the continuously variable transmission although I know there are all kinds of great transmissions. 

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On 1/15/2022 at 9:58 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

 I'm reporting the numbers, no hypocrisy in that. I'm in it for the economics.

Hypocrisy is claiming that coal is the great enemy and then voting and supporting governments hell bent on supporting the coal industry.

I assume you are talking about China, India and other Asian countries primarily?

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26 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

I used to work at a place where we bought F150's as company fleet trucks.  In the expert opinions of our mechanics, the ecoboost engines are amazing.  The only reason we got the 5.0 liter V8's is because we were doing a lot of work in very remote areas, and they were a little worried about parts availability, and had some potential concerns about reliability of some parts.  That was in 2016.  Fast forward to now, and they are 100% A-OK with the ecoboost engines.  I will say this though - if you bought one for heavy towing (or an RV, which I assume is heavy) study the RPM/torque/fuel economy curves carefully  Depending on exactly what you are doing, and what the routes you like look like (flat versus hilly) you may be better off with a lower RPM big displacement engine than the equivalent torque/RPM output ecoboost. 

A bit of history, Ecoboost was developed on the Ford/Cosgsworth engine design meaning extremely well balanced and very tight tolerances.

Fast forward to say 94? The Ford coyote v8 was finally ready for release. Both Ecoboost and the v8 were released at the same time. The coyote team was enraged, that little v6 just handed them their lunch.

What they didn't realize Ecoboost tech could be implemented on the v8 design, think 700hp and 800 ft lbs of tourqe in a 5.0.

All made possible by variable cam timing and direct injection....By the way it also put a end to Ford's hybrid/EV tech...Another shit storm.

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9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Eric Gagen is concerned about using the Ecoboost with heavy loads in the mountains. That is what we need to consider, plus the mpg. The mpg is not comparable with the Ecoboost. 

I inherently wonder if the smaller engine and the boosting system is as long lasting. May just be my ignorance of engines though. I am also a big fan of the continuously variable transmission although I know there are all kinds of great transmissions. 

You have no worries, it's going to the marine industry, severe heavy duty cycle engines. Think 3500/6000 rpm all day long. Under constant high loads and varying throttle load. Marine engines take more abuse than any mass transit car or truck made...and a 4 cylinder. Try that with any other 4 cylinder made.

https://www.indmar.com/ecoboost/

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18 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Eric Gagen is concerned about using the Ecoboost with heavy loads in the mountains. That is what we need to consider, plus the mpg. The mpg is not comparable with the Ecoboost. 

I inherently wonder if the smaller engine and the boosting system is as long lasting. May just be my ignorance of engines though. I am also a big fan of the continuously variable transmission although I know there are all kinds of great transmissions. 

The CVT's are so far as I have been able to tell fantastic.  

So far as I understand fuel economy is the kicker.  A smaller engine at high RPM's, under high load (heavy towing) It seems that they hold up OK, but they actually burn a LOT of fuel under those conditions. Of course they are more economical under 'normal' conditions than a larger displacement engine, so the choice comes down to how you expect to use it more.

 

 One other thing to consider - the eco boost's are pretty reliable, but on average parts and repairs will cost more than you might expect, because the engines are physically complex - there is a lot to assemble and disassemble, and the parts tend to be made of high quality alloys (which are expensive) but they do seem to be pretty reliable, so speaking for myself I don't know if that's a major issue or not.  

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10 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

You have no worries, it's going to the marine industry, severe heavy duty cycle engines. Think 3500/6000 rpm all day long. Under constant high loads and varying throttle load. Marine engines take more abuse than any mass transit car or truck made...and a 4 cylinder. Try that with any other 4 cylinder made.

https://www.indmar.com/ecoboost/

I posted while you were making this economy - it's more fuel economy than wear.  

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I doubt their are many inboard boats that put a lot of hours on any engine. Most are used recreationally. 

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I posted while you were making this economy - it's more fuel economy than wear.  

Well that's the magic of ecboost, keep your Damm foot out of the Turbo it will preform to astonishing levels of mpg.

Now with being said 98% of people respond with huh? Where's the fun in that!

Never forget a 6000 lb truck can outaccelerate most any 4000 lb car on the road. One word actually a few more..

Two aircraft quality turbos on demand.

 

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Well that's the magic of ecboost, keep your Damm foot out of the Turbo it will preform to astonishing levels of mpg.

Now with being said 98% of people respond with huh? Where's the fun in that!

Never forget a 6000 lb truck can outaccelerate most any 4000 lb car on the road. One word actually a few more..

Two aircraft quality turbos on demand.

 

That's workable under normal conditions.  If you are pulling a heavy load, then the turbo (and the rest of the engine) are working just to maintain a constant speed, and fuel economy does suffer.  I was assuming that the driver was already attempting to achieve maximum fuel economy, since Ron doesn't strike me as someone who is going to go hotrodding while pulling his home away from home around with him.  

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2 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I doubt their are many inboard boats that put a lot of hours on any engine. Most are used recreationally. 

Lmao Ron you live a sheltered life, think in the millions. And millions, one generally expects about 1000 hours on a engine. Ingmar marine is a discriminating mfg

Now Cali is not a good example of marine life...between mooring cost and marine gas/diesel (15/20 a gallon) most boats there just sit there and look good.

 

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7 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Lmao Ron you live a sheltered life, think in the millions. And millions, one generally expects about 1000 hours on a engine. Ingmar marine is a discriminating mfg

Now Cali is not a good example of marine life...between mooring cost and marine gas/diesel (15/20 a gallon) most boats there just sit there and look good.

 

I wish I had the time and the money to be out on a nice boat. My idea would be a nice quiet electric engine though, with a big lithium battery to cruise around our ten mile long lake and local lakes. I am in central Illinois within two miles of Lake Decatur and 45 minutes from several others. I am actually a kayak guy.

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On 4/23/2021 at 1:06 PM, RichieRich216 said:

The “Green New Deal” will go down as the largest PONZI SCAM on a global scale! A select few Multi National’s are behind this with the likes of Bill Gates and his cunt wife along side of Mark and his cunt wife! Just see who shows at DAVOS and there are the Worls Greatest Thieves! 

The Trump ownership of that title will not be beat for a long time, though maybe equaled by the oil industry.

 

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Everyone that goes to DAVOS has a Globalization view with the very few controls the masses ! Everyone one of the assholes should be subject to “Executive Action,” though the United States discontinued this a few decades ago, a case to reinstate it is clearly warranted.

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Here is the energy dead-end resulting from Green policies pursued to a maniacal conclusion, expensive energy which impacts most of all on poor people.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Worst-Is-Yet-To-Come-For-UK-Households-As-Energy-Prices-Soar.html

"Last month, investment bank Investec forecast that electricity bills for UK households could soar by as much as 56 percent this year after Ofgem, the state energy market regulator, updates the energy price ceiling, the Financial Times reported. Now, the FT is reporting that analysts are warning of a second update, in October, which could bring the price increase even higher.

The report cites calculations from energy consultancy EnAppSys, which shows that the energy price cap that Ofgem updates twice a year could reach 2,000 pounds in April, from 1,277 pounds last year, rising further to up to 2,400 pounds after the October update. One British pound is about $1.36, so with the expected double increase this year, many British households may be paying the equivalent of $3,200 per year for electricity.

The cap concerns some 15 million British households who have chosen to pay for their electricity on the open market rather than under fixed-price deals. Unless the government intervenes, these households are in for a lot of financial pain.

According to a Guardian report citing research from think tank Resolution Foundation, the number of “fuel stressed” households in the UK will jump threefold in April, after the energy price cap adjustment to 6.3 million. With these forecasts, calls are multiplying for the government to do something about it."

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6 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Everyone that goes to DAVOS has a Globalization view with the very few controls the masses ! Everyone one of the assholes should be subject to “Executive Action,” though the United States discontinued this a few decades ago, a case to reinstate it is clearly warranted.

How about a death tax of 90% on anybody worth more than $10 billion? Perhaps combine it with a $1m bounty? If they didn't begin as criminals, then that is what they all became? Warren Buffett actually thought it was crazy that his secretary paid a higher percentage tax than he did. In economics, this is called a "highly regressive" tax system.

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12 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

If I understand the Scottish plan, it is to have much more wind energy than they need for domestic purposes, and sell the rest to the European grid.  Given that it's excess will be very intermittent,  it will be interesting to see how it goes.  The interconnect to Norway should help a lot - basically use the excess to refill pumped storage when there is no immediate demand for sales.  That said, the interconnect isn't that big. 

No Its only 1.4GW make it 5GW+ and that makes a meaningful difference to the UK

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On 12/9/2021 at 3:56 PM, Eric Gagen said:

If you believe that what is under the mud isn't flat, then I have news for you - come to the coastal plain of the S.E US from North Carolina to Texas and it's mud all the way down - at least the first few hundred feet or so before it starts to thicken up some.  You can (and people actually have) sink heavy equipment completely under the surface ground level under the wrong conditions if the top parts of the mud are thin enough, and you keep making bad recovery decisions.  As an example, when they were pouring the foundation for our previous home in Louisiana, they accidentally sank the back end of a cement truck about 6 ft down.  Only got it out by pulling/towing with three other cement trucks in a spread hitch formation, and even then they managed to snap a 5/8" tow chain off.   It took me a couple of years work with the tractor to get that area where the rear whell pods had sunk in back to stable ground.  

You are missing out on the some of the Russian equipment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq1KR0CeAdo&t=540

Sunk under 6ft of mud no problem

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9 hours ago, Wombat One said:

How about a death tax of 90% on anybody worth more than $10 billion? Perhaps combine it with a $1m bounty? If they didn't begin as criminals, then that is what they all became? Warren Buffett actually thought it was crazy that his secretary paid a higher percentage tax than he did. In economics, this is called a "highly regressive" tax system.

I agree, but I would drop the 10 billion to 50 million to 1 billion! Don't get me wrong; I am a capitalist at heart and worked hard for my wealth, but in 30 years, governments would never use the word “Billion” then, in 2008, they had to bail out the banking industry, and people were stunned at the just under a Trillion cost.

Then they started actively throwing around the “Billion.” Now they throw around the “Trillion” like it's the old five and dime stores in the ’60s and early ’70s.

This is totally ridiculous and outrageous; the current total World Debt is beyond the assets of the Countries.

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8 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

You are missing out on the some of the Russian equipment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq1KR0CeAdo&t=540

Sunk under 6ft of mud no problem

I almost made a comment about that sort of thing, but decided to stick to what I have personally witnessed.  I also had a truck recovery driver who had to get a furniture truck off my property tell me that the night before that he had been part of recovering a backhoe which fell into the pond it was digging.  Went completely under a mixture of mud and water so far that only the top of the boom was sticking out, so ~ 4 meters (12 ft) deep.  People who haven't seen real mud (the sort horses used to drown in) have no idea how bad it can be.  

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4 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Bank Of America Predicts Tesla Market Share Will Collapse In Next Few Years

By ZeroHedge - Jan 19, 2022, 12:00 PM CST

Bank Of America Predicts Tesla Market Share Will Collapse In Next Few Years | OilPrice.com

Betting in 2 yrs will be halved!!

Yet their sales will triple from today.

The best part of the article is that they are predicting EVs will have 20% US market share in 2 years.

"In total, in the United States, the bank is predicting about 1 million EVs sold in 2022, 1.8 million sold in 2023 and 3 million sold in 2024." - B of A

 

15 million vehicles
 
Sales hit just over 15 million vehicles in 2021, up 3.4% from 2020, the year the pandemic took hold in the U.S.Jan 4, 2022
 
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15 minutes ago, Eric Gagen said:

I almost made a comment about that sort of thing, but decided to stick to what I have personally witnessed.  I also had a truck recovery driver who had to get a furniture truck off my property tell me that the night before that he had been part of recovering a backhoe which fell into the pond it was digging.  Went completely under a mixture of mud and water so far that only the top of the boom was sticking out, so ~ 4 meters (12 ft) deep.  People who haven't seen real mud (the sort horses used to drown in) have no idea how bad it can be.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vityaz_(ATV)

if you ever need one. The friendly Swedes make a pocket-sized version called

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandvagn_206

Here you can see the most elite Austrian mountaineering Speznaz driving one over the worst swamp they could find in all Austria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3A5jiIFTdE

Actually, I cannot find the even funnier German Bundeswehr promo video, showing how they drive it over manicured lawns and how it's got special complimentary pillows so that the tall German soldiers don't bump their heads sitting inside.

Not sure the coolness of the scheme unfolds at that scale. They also do swim and don't set off anti-tank mines. In the larger Russian version, each half got to be able to completely lift the other half off the ground using a fanciful articulated hydraulic joint. Haven't noticed anything like that in the little Swede upon casual examination, but most users obviously have any terrain remotely bad enough to even test it.

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4 hours ago, Old-Ruffneck said:

Bank Of America Predicts Tesla Market Share Will Collapse In Next Few Years

By ZeroHedge - Jan 19, 2022, 12:00 PM CST

Bank Of America Predicts Tesla Market Share Will Collapse In Next Few Years | OilPrice.com

Betting in 2 yrs will be halved!!

Significant part of Tesla's revenues comes from transfer payments for carbon credits from other car manufacturers, which are not 100% electric.

Obviously, for as long as this BS persists, it takes other 100% EV manufacturers to bite off some of Tesla's market.

After that, when EVs are generics not specifically subsidized, Tesla might hold onto a niche similar to Apple's in computing. That is, you are asked to pay premium pricing for a device that is largely a generic PC, but which you have no control over and cannot service yourself. This based on some kind of brand appeal. Personally, I do not understand why this sort of market exists, but it obviously does.

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22 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yet their sales will triple from today.

The best part of the article is that they are predicting EVs will have 20% US market share in 2 years.

"In total, in the United States, the bank is predicting about 1 million EVs sold in 2022, 1.8 million sold in 2023 and 3 million sold in 2024." - B of A

 

15 million vehicles
 
Sales hit just over 15 million vehicles in 2021, up 3.4% from 2020, the year the pandemic took hold in the U.S.Jan 4, 2022
 

Yes, but why would you buy specifically the EV which forces you into works service only? Some kind of dubious Apple-like proposition, IMHO.

From what I've seen from Russian and Ukrainian chop shops on Youtube, their battery package is already the weakest in the industry, pound for pound. There are no works sales and no works service in these countries, so everybody who imports a Tesla is on his own.

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