turbguy + 1,544 April 30 24 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Interesting point Turbguy, looks like a certain administration has a bundle of "Get Of Town" bundle...go Figure! Congress provided $7.5B for electric vehicle chargers. Built so far: Zero. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/05/congress-ev-chargers-billions-00129996#:~:text=Biden signed the bipartisan infrastructure,the United States by 2030. I can understand the delay from the infrastructure law's passage. Obtaining designs, materials, and construction is a big factor. However, the article does note that ground has been broken for such lawful chargers in both Ohio and Pennsylvania, "Zero" will not stay at zero. You know that. So, $$$$ are moving out the door. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 April 30 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: I guess you have trouble reading. "...it was just revealed by UBS that Norway, which has the highest per-capita penetration rate in EVs, has not moved the needle on oil demand at all since it started on its electrification journey." " Rumor has it the cannot afford to use there green energy utility bills. Then again Norwiegans are rather financially adept...for one they do have a 1trillion sovereign wealth fund funded by oil. Along with that they are not member's of the EU last I heard..It would seem the EU dues are just a smidge high! Go figure. . Norway’s government risks crisis over EU energy row Tensions mount in Oslo as long-simmering conflict over EU energy rules comes to the fore. https://www.politico.eu/article/norway-government-faces-collapse-over-eu-energy-row/ Edited May 1 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,544 May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: an EV today costs 1/2 of one from 3 years ago and are so much better...does that mean we should not evolve with the market???? chargers being built today will most likely be not being installed 2 years from now...........if better comes out better will be installed...and older ones will get replaced........or no one will use them...money down the tubes today for todays technology ????? story of advancing technology kinda like when digital camera came out ..........everything evolves to better , faster, cheaper and easier to use Does anyone use one of those old expensive $1000 digital cameras that were sold 30 years ago??? of course not ....you can use a cell phone and the cost for a cheap one that is better than the old digital cameras 1/10 the price This led to the first commercially available DSLR camera, the Kodak DCS-100 and soon more companies were jumping on the digital camera trend, including Apple who launched Apple QuickTake 100 in 1994. This was the first color digital camera that cost less than $1,000, which made it possible for more Americans to start capturing precious memories in digital format. The world's first digital camera was developed in 1975 by Eastman Kodak engineer Steven Sasson in Rochester, New York. It didn't resemble the DSLR camera systems we are used to, weighed almost 4 kilograms, and was roughly the size of a toaster.May 11, 2023 The History of the First Digital Camera from Concept to 2024 ... capture.com https://www.capture.com › blogs › photo › first-digital-c... Oh, certainly things evolve. My response, the infrastructure to support such high current charging (not the charger endpoints), better be what is being installed NOW, or at least in the very near future. "Plan twice, Trench once". I'm very familiar with both film (I'm old) and digital still imaging. nA older camera from the early 2000's was found to be extra sensitive to near infrared light (Minolta DiMage 7), and it was eBay, here I come. Typically, these sold for over $1200 when released. EBay? Now about $35 or less, to the door. But, that camera is a special case for those interested in Infrared photography. Here's the near-infrared view from my patio, looking west, using this old model: https://www.flickr.com/photos/turbguy/4828635522/in/album-72157617845585164/lightbox/ Edited May 1 by turbguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 2 hours ago, Ecocharger said: I guess you have trouble reading. That keeps you in your own cocoon, unaware of the real world. "...it was just revealed by UBS that Norway, which has the highest per-capita penetration rate in EVs, has not moved the needle on oil demand at all since it started on its electrification journey." " Total Oil consumption in Norway is down 35,000 BPD since its peak in 2007 and now is at 205,000 BPD....with Gasoline the largest decline out of total Oil consumption but you are such a babbling idiot you did not even both to back up all of your BS claims as usual So shove off loser....and crawl in your clunker....I am sure it makes a great home for you..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Rumor has it the cannot afford to use there green energy utility bills. Then again Norwiegans are rather financially adept...for one they do have a 1trillion sovereign wealth fund funded by oil. Along with that they are not member's of the EU last I heard..It would seem the EU dues are just a smidge high! Go figure. . Norway’s government risks crisis over EU energy row Tensions mount in Oslo as long-simmering conflict over EU energy rules comes to the fore. https://www.politico.eu/article/norway-government-faces-collapse-over-eu-energy-row/ Rumor has it the cannot afford to use there green energy utility bills??? grammar...hard to tell what you are babbling about...who is the??? and how do they use there (did you mean their ???) green energy bills??? how does someone use their bills????? hanging out in Norway these days?????? A country that uses no coal and little Nat Gas itself and the Renewable energy is 100 percent of the base for its electricity production (almost all hydro) ....Electric trains...Electric cars ....electric buses and now a move to go 100 percent electric trucks.... only losers would pick Norwegians as somewhere not being to able to afford utility bills ..... The average wholesale electricity price in Norway was at around 56.14 euros per megawatt-hour in March 2024 pretty cheap and today the price of electricity in Norway for consumers.......12 cents per KWH, cheaper than most parts of the US. Guess your rumor is just you trying to BS your slow dimwitted pals NAMELY, ecochump. He is so slow he even believes your BS (he is so gullible he even upvoted your BS) PS 3Q of 2022 (a drought restricted hydro production , alas the reservoirs are full again and the price went right back to normal in less than a few months and price to consumer has been flat for over the past 10 years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: Total Oil consumption in Norway is down 35,000 BPD since its peak in 2007 and now is at 205,000 BPD....with Gasoline the largest decline out of total Oil consumption but you are such a babbling idiot you did not even both to back up all of your BS claims as usual So shove off loser....and crawl in your clunker....I am sure it makes a great home for you..... Unfortunately, you failed to give any source for your own numbers, (no surprise). Your charts appear to be out of date, so of course that makes them worthless for this discussion. The truth is that fossil fuel cars make up most of the Norwegian auto stock. Here is the date on my source, read carefully, Published 04/25/2024, 05:04 PM Updated 04/25/2024, 05:04 PM "In January, a record 92.1% of all new cars sold were purely electric in Norway, UBS said in Wednesday note, a trend that has been gaining momentum since the rise in EV sales in 2010. But so far, the impact on oil demand in Norway "has been negligible," UBS adds, noting the plunge gasoline demand has been more than offset by other oil products. Norway's rise to electric car superpower status has been fueled "generous financial incentives," partly funded by the country's huge oil and gas wealth, UBS said. The lack of bite on oil demand from surging EV sales has been driven by slow adoption of EVs, or slow fleet turnaround, with electric cars making up just 21% of the total car fleet at the end of 2023, while gasoline cars accounted for around 23% and diesel cars for about 33%. Range anxiety has also possible kept a lid on growth of EV adoption as the fear of running out of power before reaching a charging station has many in Norway opting for internal combustion engine, or ICE, vehicles or hybrids for the longest distances. "Another possibility is that electric vehicles are used for short distances, but Norwegians still rely on fossil fuels to cover longer distances," UBS said. " Edited May 1 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE May 1 15 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Unfortunately, you failed to give any source for your own numbers, (no surprise). Your charts appear to be out of date, so of course that makes them worthless for this discussion. The truth is that fossil fuel cars make up most of the Norwegian auto stock. Here is the date on my source, read carefully, Published 04/25/2024, 05:04 PM Updated 04/25/2024, 05:04 PM "In January, a record 92.1% of all new cars sold were purely electric in Norway, UBS said in Wednesday note, a trend that has been gaining momentum since the rise in EV sales in 2010. But so far, the impact on oil demand in Norway "has been negligible," UBS adds, noting the plunge gasoline demand has been more than offset by other oil products. Norway's rise to electric car superpower status has been fueled "generous financial incentives," partly funded by the country's huge oil and gas wealth, UBS said. The lack of bite on oil demand from surging EV sales has been driven by slow adoption of EVs, or slow fleet turnaround, with electric cars making up just 21% of the total car fleet at the end of 2023, while gasoline cars accounted for around 23% and diesel cars for about 33%. Range anxiety has also possible kept a lid on growth of EV adoption as the fear of running out of power before reaching a charging station has many in Norway opting for internal combustion engine, or ICE, vehicles or hybrids for the longest distances. "Another possibility is that electric vehicles are used for short distances, but Norwegians still rely on fossil fuels to cover longer distances," UBS said. " No link to the source. Probably cherry picking quotes. Yet: "a record 92.1% of all new cars sold were purely electric in Norway" "from surging EV sales has been driven by slow adoption of EVs" How does one write surging EV sales and slow adoption of EVs in the same sentence? At 92% of sales the conversion will be quick. People will learn to find the ever increasing number of charging stations and will drive their new cars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL May 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: No link to the source. Probably cherry picking quotes. Yet: "a record 92.1% of all new cars sold were purely electric in Norway" "from surging EV sales has been driven by slow adoption of EVs" How does one write surging EV sales and slow adoption of EVs in the same sentence? At 92% of sales the conversion will be quick. People will learn to find the ever increasing number of charging stations and will drive their new cars. Look above, I already gave the links to sources. All you have to do is click on them, not difficult to accomplish that. Yes, a 92% share of new sales is impressive, but the market for used vehicles is dominated by fossil fuel cars. The total vehicle stock in Norway is still predominantly fossil fuel. The 92% is only for passenger vehicles, not trucks or work vehicles. Edited May 1 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Look above, I already gave the links to sources. All you have to do is click on them, not difficult to accomplish that. Yes, a 92% share of new sales is impressive, but the market for used vehicles is dominated by fossil fuel cars. The total vehicle stock in Norway is still predominantly fossil fuel. The 92% is only for passenger vehicles, not trucks or work vehicles. do not worry Clunker Trucks are on the way out............Enjoy the transition...I love it when you are on the wrong side of history....Proves Luddites such as yourself are always wrong CleanTechnica https://cleantechnica.com › 2024/03/27 › norway-is-tak... Mar 27, 2024 — Norway has set a target for all new trucks sold in the country to be electric by 2030. That will require adding many new charging stations ... Missing: setihing | Show results with: setihing Edited May 1 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL May 1 The Norwegians have done great research into climate science. This paper aims to show the importance of CO2 in global warming. https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=99608 The conclusions, "...we only observe a very slight temperature increase due to CO2 backscatter. This indicates that heating, due to IR backscatter from CO2, is much less than what is assumed from the Stefan Boltzmann law or from the forcing Equation (1a) and Equation (1b). The near-identical heating curves for all the three gases indicate that the thermal energy transfer is only driven by the temperature of the back wall of the rear chamber. Without extra heating of the walls in the rear chamber, the air temperature cannot increase. These findings might question the fundament of the forcing laws used by the IPCC. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Unfortunately, you failed to give any source for your own numbers, (no surprise). Your charts appear to be out of date, so of course that makes them worthless for this discussion. The truth is that fossil fuel cars make up most of the Norwegian auto stock. Here is the date on my source, read carefully, Published 04/25/2024, 05:04 PM Updated 04/25/2024, 05:04 PM "In January, a record 92.1% of all new cars sold were purely electric in Norway, UBS said in Wednesday note, a trend that has been gaining momentum since the rise in EV sales in 2010. But so far, the impact on oil demand in Norway "has been negligible," UBS adds, noting the plunge gasoline demand has been more than offset by other oil products. Norway's rise to electric car superpower status has been fueled "generous financial incentives," partly funded by the country's huge oil and gas wealth, UBS said. The lack of bite on oil demand from surging EV sales has been driven by slow adoption of EVs, or slow fleet turnaround, with electric cars making up just 21% of the total car fleet at the end of 2023, while gasoline cars accounted for around 23% and diesel cars for about 33%. Range anxiety has also possible kept a lid on growth of EV adoption as the fear of running out of power before reaching a charging station has many in Norway opting for internal combustion engine, or ICE, vehicles or hybrids for the longest distances. "Another possibility is that electric vehicles are used for short distances, but Norwegians still rely on fossil fuels to cover longer distances," UBS said. " Unfortunately, you failed to give any source for your own numbers..???? Norway Oil Consumption, 1965 – 2023 | CEIC Data Now shove off loser 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The Norwegians have done great research into climate science. This paper aims to show the importance of CO2 in global warming. https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=99608 The conclusions, "...we only observe a very slight temperature increase due to CO2 backscatter. This indicates that heating, due to IR backscatter from CO2, is much less than what is assumed from the Stefan Boltzmann law or from the forcing Equation (1a) and Equation (1b). The near-identical heating curves for all the three gases indicate that the thermal energy transfer is only driven by the temperature of the back wall of the rear chamber. Without extra heating of the walls in the rear chamber, the air temperature cannot increase. These findings might question the fundament of the forcing laws used by the IPCC. " and yet others have shown the greenhouse effect is real with much better laboratory simulations try this one yourself or the second one that is designed for your age group Royal Society https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rsos.192075 by YA Levendis · 2020 · Cited by 4 — A simple experiment has been developed to demonstrate the global warming potential of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas in the Earth's atmosphere. The Greenhouse Effect Experiment and Lesson for Kids STEAM Powered Family https://www.steampoweredfamily.com › the-greenhouse-... Jul 12, 2023 — The carbon dioxide is a gas, just like it is in the atmosphere, where it is one of the greenhouse gases. In this experiment we are trapping the ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 1 (edited) 7 hours ago, notsonice said: hanging out in Norway these days?????? A country that uses no coal and little Nat Gas itself and the Renewable energy is 100 percent of the base for its electricity production (almost all hydro) ....Electric trains...Electric cars ....electric buses and now a move to go 100 percent electric trucks.... Ya don't say..hydro power is a long proven stable source of energy production..yet again not quite as reliable as fossil fuel. Let's game a bit with Norway shall we? Is it selfish for Norwegians to complain about electricity prices? Last winter, for a variety of reasons, everything changed. A lot of people want to go back to the good old days with fewer exports and lower prices. Could Norwegians be considered egoists if they don't to want to share any potential power surplus with other countries in times of crisis? "No, egoism is too loaded a word," says Rita Vasconcellos Oliveira. "But if they are self https://phys.org/news/2022-09-selfish-norwegians-electricity-prices.html Edited May 1 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP May 1 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Could Norwegians be considered egoists if they don't to want to share any potential power surplus with other countries in times of crisis? Ahhh EWO you forgot that they do on a daily basis!! The North Sea Link 1.4GW interconnector from Kvilldal to Blythe UK. When the wind blows the UK exports, when it doesnt (very rarely) the UK imports hydro from Norway. North Sea Link - North Sea Link Norway: electricity exports 2022 | Statista What crisis does Norway have?? Abundant hydro resources giving cheap green power supply all year round! Edited May 1 by Rob Plant 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 39 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ya don't say..hydro power is a long proven stable source of energy production..yet again not quite as reliable as fossil fuel. Let's game a bit with Norway shall we? Is it selfish for Norwegians to complain about electricity prices? Last winter, for a variety of reasons, everything changed. A lot of people want to go back to the good old days with fewer exports and lower prices. Could Norwegians be considered egoists if they don't to want to share any potential power surplus with other countries in times of crisis? "No, egoism is too loaded a word," says Rita Vasconcellos Oliveira. "But if they are self https://phys.org/news/2022-09-selfish-norwegians-electricity-prices.html hydro power is a long proven stable source of energy production..yet again not quite as reliable as fossil fuel.????? dude you really love to babble BS then you post more babble Could Norwegians be considered egoists????? dude you really are grabbing at straws reality Norwegians enjoy low cost power....12 cents a KWH and they have plenty of power (excess power, that they are a giant exporter of Electricity Is Norway a net exporter of electricity? Norway is also historically a net exporter of electricity to neighbouring countries, reaching a record 20.5 TWh of net exports in 2020, making it one of the largest exporters in Europe. Executive summary – Norway 2022 – Analysis - IEA 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 1 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: What crisis does Norway have?? Abundant hydro resources giving cheap green power supply all year round! Are you daft comes to mind? Hydro power generation has more than a 100 yr history of somewhat reliable results. One could only speculate as to why the Green Dream brain trust would attempt to jump on its coat tails..perhaps desperation? The second is a supply of renewable electricity. Norway’s secret is hydroelectric power from 1500 plants around the country. Many of these are low impact designs called run-of-river plants that don’t require dam building. Hydropower provides 96 per cent of all electricity in Norway. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianpalmer/2021/06/19/why-norway-leads-in-evs-and-the-role-played-by-cheap-renewable-electricity/?sh=7583f571275f Edited May 1 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP May 1 6 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Are you daft comes to mind? Hydro power generation has more than a 100 yr history of somewhat reliable results. 6 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Hydropower provides 96 per cent of all electricity in Norway. Wow youre stupid! You post "somewhat reliable results" for hydro and then reference the fact that those "somewhat" reliable results make up 96% of electricity generation! have you been to Norway?? I have many times, trust me they have it made there, high standard of living, all the free powergen resource they'll ever need and they have built a 1t fund based off their FF resources. Theres a lot to like about living with the vikings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 1 11 minutes ago, notsonice said: Is Norway a net exporter of electricity? I do believe so, actually pimping the EU as some might say. Extraordinary Low power generation costs being sold at extraordinarily high prices in the Green EU market's. Quite a bunch of capitalists are they not? Odd Pimping Ain't Easy yet somebody has to do It comes to mind. I'll never forget that conversation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 1 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Wow youre stupid! Fascinating..I must as just what happened to the U.K. oil wealth? There once was a time the UK was quite financially stable.. Update! Britain approves new North Sea oil drilling in welcome news for the industry but not activists The North Sea Transition Authority approved development of the Rosebank field, allowing owners Equinor and Ithaca Energy to move forward with the project about 130 kilometers (80 miles) northwest of the Shetland Islands. The authority is a U.K. regulator charged with both maximizing the economic benefits of Britain’s North Sea energy resources and helping the country meet its goals for reducing carbon emissions. https://apnews.com/article/uk-north-sea-oil-gas-drilling-82062b0105baf4cfd6f45044f904e0e9 Edited May 1 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP May 1 41 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Fascinating..I must as just what happened to the U.K. oil wealth? There once was a time the UK was quite financially stable.. Update! Britain approves new North Sea oil drilling in welcome news for the industry but not activists The North Sea Transition Authority approved development of the Rosebank field, allowing owners Equinor and Ithaca Energy to move forward with the project about 130 kilometers (80 miles) northwest of the Shetland Islands. The authority is a U.K. regulator charged with both maximizing the economic benefits of Britain’s North Sea energy resources and helping the country meet its goals for reducing carbon emissions. https://apnews.com/article/uk-north-sea-oil-gas-drilling-82062b0105baf4cfd6f45044f904e0e9 To use an English expression we "pissed all that up the wall" in the 70's and 80's. I am actually not against some FF as I'm a believer in a mix of energy supplies as we will need petrochemicals for centuries to come IMO so not against drilling new wells. I am against all things coal as that is incredibly pollutive and bad for the environment and all living things that breathe. i'm also a believer that we should recycle plastics far more as plastics pollution has now got massively out of hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL May 1 6 hours ago, notsonice said: Unfortunately, you failed to give any source for your own numbers..???? Norway Oil Consumption, 1965 – 2023 | CEIC Data Now shove off loser No, I gave you the source, I guess you have reading challenges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,474 DL May 1 5 hours ago, notsonice said: and yet others have shown the greenhouse effect is real with much better laboratory simulations try this one yourself or the second one that is designed for your age group Royal Society https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rsos.192075 by YA Levendis · 2020 · Cited by 4 — A simple experiment has been developed to demonstrate the global warming potential of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas in the Earth's atmosphere. The Greenhouse Effect Experiment and Lesson for Kids STEAM Powered Family https://www.steampoweredfamily.com › the-greenhouse-... Jul 12, 2023 — The carbon dioxide is a gas, just like it is in the atmosphere, where it is one of the greenhouse gases. In this experiment we are trapping the ... The kitchen experiment...right. No one takes this seriously. The Norwegian test used real equipment and the results have been generally accepted, the IPCC forcing equations are now no longer generally used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,555 May 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: To use an English expression we "pissed all that up the wall" in the 70's and 80's. The US version would be "pissing in the wind" odd is it not, wind mills comes to mind. Edited May 1 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM May 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The kitchen experiment...right. No one takes this seriously. The Norwegian test used real equipment and the results have been generally accepted, the IPCC forcing equations are now no longer generally used. science is a challenge for you, we get it that you are incapable of doing a simple experiment that an eight grader can do that shows the green house effect.... an experiment that you yourself can complete ?????? to demonstrate to yourself the green house effect . As you repetitively post BS denying science as done by others. What is it like for someone such as yourself,to be a Luddite and in denial at the same time Edited May 1 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,008 GE May 1 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ecocharger said: The Norwegians have done great research into climate science. This paper aims to show the importance of CO2 in global warming. https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=99608 The conclusions, "...we only observe a very slight temperature increase due to CO2 backscatter. This indicates that heating, due to IR backscatter from CO2, is much less than what is assumed from the Stefan Boltzmann law or from the forcing Equation (1a) and Equation (1b). The near-identical heating curves for all the three gases indicate that the thermal energy transfer is only driven by the temperature of the back wall of the rear chamber. Without extra heating of the walls in the rear chamber, the air temperature cannot increase. These findings might question the fundament of the forcing laws used by the IPCC. " That paper was from 2020. The paper has been cited in newer (2022) work. This group still downplays the global warming risk, but they admit they found CO2 forcing in their lab experiment. +1.05°C each time you double CO2 (without feedback). Feedback could make things much worse. Science marches on... and this time you can't claim they were ignorant of the previous paper since it was cited / challenged. https://climatetverite.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Harde-Schnell-GHE-m-2021.pdf "The derived forcing for CO2 is in quite good agreement with some theoretical studies in the litera- ture, which to some degree is the result of calibrating the set-up to the spectral calculations, but in- dependently it determines and also reproduces the whole progression as a function of the gas con- centration. From this we deduce a basic equilibrium climate sensitivity (without feedbacks) of ECSB = 1.05°C." Edited May 1 by TailingsPond 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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