notsonice + 1,243 DM June 4 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: Demand for natural gas and coal is ramping up at a terrific pace in India, while world demand for coal continues to grow to record levels. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/lng/053124-india-heat-wave-drives-up-gas-based-power-generation-and-lng-demand "Around 74% of India's electricity mix is coal-based, around 13% is from renewables like wind and solar, around 8% is from hydro, around 3% from nuclear and only around 2% from natural gas." move to India...18 million people a year leave India permanently Lots of room for you you can live your dream in India and experience your paradise were Global warming takes on a whole new meaning more like the global furnace average temp is getting close to 26 degrees (including night time hours, you will love the summers , average temp is Temperatures average around 32–40 °C (90–104 °F) including night hours in most of the interior if your overweight India is a great place to live.....you will sweat like a pig 24/6 PS India is regarded as Hell on Earth for good reason 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 June 4 2 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Coal share in the powergen mix is reducing slightly The following are the key trends (in 2024) for the India power and renewables market: Clean energy transition is advancing; however, reliance on coal will remain high: Electricity demand is expected to grow in tandem with GDP growth, primarily spurred by increase in local activity due to general elections and impact of El-nino during first half of the year. With a 60% yoy growth in total capacity addition, share of coal in generation is expected to decrease marginally from 74.3% in 2023 to 73.2% in 2024 primarily driven by aggressive capacity addition on non-fossil fuel. Meanwhile here in REALITY: Coal in India is UP 10% Y-o-Y https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/coal/indias-coal-output-hits-83-91-mt-in-may-2024-up-10-15-yoy/110669720 https://www.coal.nic.in/sites/default/files/2024-02/PIB2004122.pdf Your delusions are truly astounding! India by nameplate is installing many GW of solar and will quickly be 2nd if not already, behind China for installed capacity, though how they pretend they are going to balance that is a good question. They do not have NG or Hydro to balance. Something shady is going on... Here I am guessing most of India's installed solar is not being used, but rather wasted and like GERMANY is claiming they are using the solar when in reality the coal is supplying the power, but not being claimed as being used. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 June 4 1 hour ago, notsonice said: move to India...18 million people a year leave India permanently Lots of room for you you can live your dream in India and experience your paradise were Global warming takes on a whole new meaning more like the global furnace average temp is getting close to 26 degrees (including night time hours, you will love the summers , average temp is Temperatures average around 32–40 °C (90–104 °F) including night hours in most of the interior if your overweight India is a great place to live.....you will sweat like a pig 24/6 PS India is regarded as Hell on Earth for good reason Ah, lover of Shit city heat island effect data... Still waiting for you to NOT be a coward and post EU's NG consumption over last 30 years... from your previous post. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM June 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah, lover of Shit city heat island effect data... Still waiting for you to NOT be a coward and post EU's NG consumption over last 30 years... from your previous post. .your name calling pathetic...... I get it, on your level it is all you have ...stop using drugs this was posted earlier...do you need someone to tell you what it means???????????? Edited June 4 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM June 4 16 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Ah, lover of Shit city heat island effect data... Still waiting for you to NOT be a coward and post EU's NG consumption over last 30 years... from your previous post. Ah, lover of Shit city heat island effect data???? Please move to India...you will love it there...the whole county has an city heat Island effect...it is called Global Warming Ecochump can join you ...you two can live in harmony........ next to a coal fired power plant and fry like rats Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 June 4 17 minutes ago, notsonice said: .your name calling pathetic...... I get it, on your level it is all you have ...stop using drugs this was posted earlier...do you need someone to tell you what it means???????????? So 2010 is 1990 now in your delusions eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 June 4 14 minutes ago, notsonice said: Ah, lover of Shit city heat island effect data???? Please move to India...you will love it there...the whole county has an city heat Island effect...it is called Global Warming Ecochump can join you ...you two can live in harmony........ next to a coal fired power plant and fry like rats Well genius, from 10,000--> 3000 years ago the WHOLE world was about 2C warmer than today. Ocean Sediments from Greenland to Indonesia all agree, are you a CLIMATE DENIER? In fact 10,000 years ago it was over +3.6C warmer. But hey, do not get in the way of your rant now. India is great... the 1.7Billion call India sub continent home. Hrmm, Canada could use some warming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 671 GE June 4 You guys overly focus on climate change. Just look for old fashioned toxic pollution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_air_pollution Experts say air pollution in India reduces average life expectancy by 4.98 years; China 2.61 years; USA 0.21 years ; Canada 0.08 years. Why would anybody want to emulate them? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM June 4 (edited) 47 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Well genius, from 10,000--> 3000 years ago the WHOLE world was about 2C warmer than today. Ocean Sediments from Greenland to Indonesia all agree, are you a CLIMATE DENIER? In fact 10,000 years ago it was over +3.6C warmer. But hey, do not get in the way of your rant now. India is great... the 1.7Billion call India sub continent home. Hrmm, Canada could use some warming. from 10,000--> 3000 years ago the WHOLE world was about 2C warmer than today???? In fact 10,000 years ago it was over +3.6C warmer?????????? no it was not, stop using drugs https://phys.org/news/2021-11-global-temperatures-years-today-unprecedented.html NOVEMBER 10, 2021 Global temperatures over last 24,000 years show today's warming 'unprecedented' by University of Arizona Canada could use some warming????? guess those in coastal Florida can move to Canada as beachfront property has taken on a whole new meaning in Florida so now you are advocating warming up the planet more, got it Several studies have shown that Florida will continue to sustain significant property damage due to climate change. McKinsey's 2021 report predicted that the value of Florida's real estate will depreciate by 5%–15% by 2030 and 15%–35% by 2050 due to the effects of climate change.Feb 16, 2024 The Impact of Climate Change on Florida's Coastal Properties Edited June 4 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM June 4 43 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: So 2010 is 1990 now in your delusions eh? huh....the chart below breaks down the data for the period 2010 -2020 so you can see how LNG plays a role in EU consumption of Nat gas........EU/UK consumption of Nat gas (including LNG) is decreasing and has been in overall decline since 2008 and you are an Engineer??????????? stop using drugs ............maybe your brain will recover ..then again maybe not 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL June 5 (edited) Here is the source of the wild Green Mania against oil and CO2, it is purely political and not science based. It is motivated by discredited Marxist cant. These weird complaints assume that making any profits is a proof of law-breaking, a foolish piece of rhetoric designed for political reasons. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/House-Democrats-Accuse-Big-Oil-of-Price-Gauging.html "A group of House Democrats have called on the Department of Justice to launch a probe into the oil industry, accusing the two largest U.S. energy companies of a conspiracy to keep fuel prices high. In a letter sent to the Department of Justice by Rep. Jerrold Nadler and signed by nine more House members, the group claimed that the record profits that Exxon and Chevron reported last year were proof they were conspiring against Americans by keeping fuel prices high." "The FTC alleged that Scott Sheffield had colluded with OPEC and OPEC+ members to limit production and increase oil prices in comments on its approval of Exxon’s acquisition of Pioneer. The allegations shook the shale oil world, where several large consolidation deals are awaiting the trade watchdog’s approval. Sheffield hit back by saying there was no merit to the charges and that “Publicly and unjustifiably vilifying me will have a chilling effect on the ability of business leaders in any sector of our economy to address shareholder demands and to exercise their constitutionally protected right to advocate for their industries,”" Edited June 5 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL June 5 12 hours ago, TailingsPond said: You guys overly focus on climate change. Just look for old fashioned toxic pollution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_air_pollution Experts say air pollution in India reduces average life expectancy by 4.98 years; China 2.61 years; USA 0.21 years ; Canada 0.08 years. Why would anybody want to emulate them? Old data, no longer relevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL June 5 (edited) 16 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Coal share in the powergen mix is reducing slightly The following are the key trends (in 2024) for the India power and renewables market: Clean energy transition is advancing; however, reliance on coal will remain high: Electricity demand is expected to grow in tandem with GDP growth, primarily spurred by increase in local activity due to general elections and impact of El-nino during first half of the year. With a 60% yoy growth in total capacity addition, share of coal in generation is expected to decrease marginally from 74.3% in 2023 to 73.2% in 2024 primarily driven by aggressive capacity addition on non-fossil fuel. In other words , coal is by far the most important energy source. Demand for natural gas and coal is ramping up at a terrific pace in India, while world demand for coal continues to grow to record levels. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/lng/053124-india-heat-wave-drives-up-gas-based-power-generation-and-lng-demand "Around 74% of India's electricity mix is coal-based, around 13% is from renewables like wind and solar, around 8% is from hydro, around 3% from nuclear and only around 2% from natural gas." Edited June 5 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,747 RP June 5 13 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Meanwhile here in REALITY: Coal in India is UP 10% Y-o-Y https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/coal/indias-coal-output-hits-83-91-mt-in-may-2024-up-10-15-yoy/110669720 https://www.coal.nic.in/sites/default/files/2024-02/PIB2004122.pdf Your delusions are truly astounding! India by nameplate is installing many GW of solar and will quickly be 2nd if not already, behind China for installed capacity, though how they pretend they are going to balance that is a good question. They do not have NG or Hydro to balance. Something shady is going on... Here I am guessing most of India's installed solar is not being used, but rather wasted and like GERMANY is claiming they are using the solar when in reality the coal is supplying the power, but not being claimed as being used. You are clearly dumb! I stated the energy mix by percentage was down for coal, NOT the consumption! Try reading and you may get an understanding of what people are saying! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,446 DL June 5 12 hours ago, notsonice said: from 10,000--> 3000 years ago the WHOLE world was about 2C warmer than today???? In fact 10,000 years ago it was over +3.6C warmer?????????? no it was not, stop using drugs https://phys.org/news/2021-11-global-temperatures-years-today-unprecedented.html NOVEMBER 10, 2021 Global temperatures over last 24,000 years show today's warming 'unprecedented' by University of Arizona Canada could use some warming????? guess those in coastal Florida can move to Canada as beachfront property has taken on a whole new meaning in Florida so now you are advocating warming up the planet more, got it Several studies have shown that Florida will continue to sustain significant property damage due to climate change. McKinsey's 2021 report predicted that the value of Florida's real estate will depreciate by 5%–15% by 2030 and 15%–35% by 2050 due to the effects of climate change.Feb 16, 2024 The Impact of Climate Change on Florida's Coastal Properties You really should read the science for a change, even if there is global warming, you need to demonstrate how CO2 is responsible for that. So far, your science leaders have avoided trying to do that, they have been silent on the major results of testing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,747 RP June 5 5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: In other words , coal is by far the most important energy source. Demand for natural gas and coal is ramping up at a terrific pace in India, while world demand for coal continues to grow to record levels. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/lng/053124-india-heat-wave-drives-up-gas-based-power-generation-and-lng-demand "Around 74% of India's electricity mix is coal-based, around 13% is from renewables like wind and solar, around 8% is from hydro, around 3% from nuclear and only around 2% from natural gas." Eco yes absolutely it is by far the predominant energy source for powergen, however its market share is reducing due to the increase in renewables. That was the point I was making, shame Footinmouth couldnt work it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,187 June 5 12 hours ago, notsonice said: from 10,000--> 3000 years ago the WHOLE world was about 2C warmer than today???? In fact 10,000 years ago it was over +3.6C warmer?????????? no it was not, stop using drugs https://phys.org/news/2021-11-global-temperatures-years-today-unprecedented.html NOVEMBER 10, 2021 Global temperatures over last 24,000 years show today's warming 'unprecedented' by University of Arizona Canada could use some warming????? guess those in coastal Florida can move to Canada as beachfront property has taken on a whole new meaning in Florida so now you are advocating warming up the planet more, got it Several studies have shown that Florida will continue to sustain significant property damage due to climate change. McKinsey's 2021 report predicted that the value of Florida's real estate will depreciate by 5%–15% by 2030 and 15%–35% by 2050 due to the effects of climate change.Feb 16, 2024 The Impact of Climate Change on Florida's Coastal Properties One day you will be able to read. I doubt it will be any day soon.... https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1616287114 Above link for ice sheets... several degrees C above present... What did I write? ? Ocean sediments. And your moronnic graph is what? Someones wet dreams they pulled out of their arse? Literally everyone acknowledges temperatures in Holocene were far WARMER than today I'll let you get off your arse and look up sediment Temp Give a hint BOTH show temps several C above present. YOUR graph? LOLZZZZZZZZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,747 RP June 5 Pesky renewables! Making the price so cheap with bugger all emissions! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM June 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: One day you will be able to read. I doubt it will be any day soon.... https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1616287114 Above link for ice sheets... several degrees C above present... What did I write? ? Ocean sediments. And your moronnic graph is what? Someones wet dreams they pulled out of their arse? Literally everyone acknowledges temperatures in Holocene were far WARMER than today I'll let you get off your arse and look up sediment Temp Give a hint BOTH show temps several C above present. YOUR graph? LOLZZZZZZZZ you claim ...........In fact 10,000 years ago it was over +3.6C warmer?????????? and you now are babbling again about who knows what here is the graph for global warming.....you do not like the graph?????????????? problems with it??????? share us your graph.........of global temps over the last 20,000 years you can present your graph showing the global temperatures were higher (+3.6C) 10,000 years ago as you claim (good luck as 10,000 years ago the whole world was still impacted by the last major ice age....looks like global temps, 10,000 years ago , were minus a couple of degrees centigrade from today) Edited June 5 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,243 DM June 5 21 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Pesky renewables! Making the price so cheap with bugger all emissions! hard to dispute a $10,000 EV is a game changer coupled with cheap renewable power available on the grid... Clunkers are doomed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,747 RP June 5 (edited) Oh no Eco another cheap EV on the market! Dacia Spring: Britain's cheapest EV on sale from £169 per month – and it only costs £2 to charge off-peak! | CAR Magazine The top of the range brand new Dacia Spring is approx $21,250 The average cost of a brand new small compact car in the USA is $26,783 Car Manufacturer March 2024 Transaction Price (Average) February 2024 Transaction Price (Average) Compact Car $26,873 $27,029 Compact SUV/Crossover $36,082 $36,164 Mid-Size Car $32,382 $31,948 Full-Size Car $45,689 $46,196 Blimey Eco now the Romanians are producing EV's cheaper than those ICE equivalents, it seems the ICE clunkers are doomed, doomed, doomed! Oh Eco if it wasnt for those pesky tech improvements! I bet Mark Lawson wont be putting this in his latest book that nobody will buy. Edited June 5 by Rob Plant 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,535 June 5 Coal... Then there's this: "Donald Trump, when campaigning in 2016, pledged to bring back “clean, beautiful coal.” He did nothing of the sort. Coal jobs declined 24% during the Trump presidency. And 60 coal companies declared bankruptcy between 2012 and 2020. Among them were Arch and Peabody, two major operators in the Powder River Basin..." https://bigpivots.com/bidens-war-on-coal-in-wyoming-the-short-story/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 671 GE June 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Old data, no longer relevant. 2022 is not old. Nothing has changed since then. If anything it has gotten worse. As you say coal demand is strong there. Why do you want to emulate their problems? You know, a sign of addiction is denial or downplaying of the negative health effects. I clearly show you pollution and yet you continue with your pro-coal nonsense. No amount of data will ever change your misguided ideas. Do you smoke cigarettes? Might as well because smoke is harmless in your mind. Edited June 5 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 671 GE June 5 1 hour ago, turbguy said: Coal... Then there's this: "Donald Trump, when campaigning in 2016, pledged to bring back “clean, beautiful coal.” He did nothing of the sort. Coal jobs declined 24% during the Trump presidency. And 60 coal companies declared bankruptcy between 2012 and 2020. Among them were Arch and Peabody, two major operators in the Powder River Basin..." https://bigpivots.com/bidens-war-on-coal-in-wyoming-the-short-story/ Trump failed at everything. He was going to "drain the swamp" but now complains more than ever about the bureaucracy. Make Mexico pay for a wall. Balance trade with China. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 671 GE June 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: "Around 74% of India's electricity mix is coal-based, around 13% is from renewables like wind and solar, around 8% is from hydro, around 3% from nuclear and only around 2% from natural gas." And their air quality is garbage. You should be able to see the relationship. The cleanest air in India is "moderately polluted." The major cities are "unhealthy" or "very unhealthy." Real time data: https://www.iqair.com/ca/india Average PM2.5 concentration in India: 10.9 times the WHO annual air quality guideline. Once again, this not CO2 or climate change, just old-fashioned poison. Edited June 5 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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