surrept33 + 609 st March 26, 2022 42 minutes ago, frankfurter said: Well, the facts are: 1/ the USA was first to patent the creation of SARS-CoV; 2/ the USA operates about 300 bio-warfare labs in the world, with 13 labs confirmed and 17 suspected in the Ukraine; 3/ the USA has openly declared China to be its #1 enemy; 4/ the USA has nuclear-armed bases pointed to China, and sails nuclear subs into China waters. the nefarious 'biolabs' are WMD threat reduction programs that Russia had full knowledge and understanding about, because it was a cooperative partner - often because they were often about WMDs that the Soviet Union had developed: https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-the-nunn-lugar-cooperative-threat-reduction-program/ of course, Russia withdrew cooperation: Revised Arrangement Negotiation between the United States and Russia On October 10, 2012, the Russian government rejected an Obama Administration proposal to renew the CTR agreement after 20 years of partnership. The Russian government stated that CTR was “not consistent with our ideas about what forms and on what basis further cooperation should be built.” The “umbrella agreement” authorizing Nunn-Lugar in Russia expired in June of 2013. meanwhile, let's look at Russia's own biological weapons program: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2022-03-25/preparing-unthinkable-ukraine?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tw_daily_soc&utm_source=twitter_posts Just a few weeks ago, the notion that Russia might use such weapons in its campaign in Ukraine would have seemed unduly alarmist. That is no longer the case. No doubt following intelligence reports, the White House has quietly assembled a team of national security officials to sketch out responses to any Russian biological or chemical attack. Putin has already placed the nuclear option on the table by setting his nuclear weapons forces on alert. Such brinkmanship makes the use of chemical and biological agents more plausible. Putin’s claim that Ukraine itself intends to bring these internationally banned weapons of mass destruction into the conflict seems like one of his classic acts of projection, suggesting that as the war drags on Russia could initiate false flag operations to do just that. Russia has had, and very likely continues to have, the capability to produce an extensive supply of offensive chemical and biological weapons, whereas Ukraine has neither the capacity nor the will to do so. From the Soviet era, the Kremlin inherited the know-how for weaponizing anthrax, brucellosis, glanders, Marburg virus, plague, Q fever, tularemia, and smallpox, among other toxic bugs. Soviet scientists even tried to insert the mosquito-borne, brain-attacking Venezuelan equine encephalitis into smallpox vaccines. At least three Soviet-era biowarfare labs remain inaccessible to international inspectors, so extreme experiments of this kind could continue in some form. Putin seemingly has no compunction about using such agents against his political foes: he ordered the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, a defector and Putin critic, with radioactive polonium in 2006; poisoned another defector, Sergei Skripal, in 2018; and targeted the opposition leader Alexei Navalny with Novichok nerve agent in 2020. Attacking a civilian population with these weapons would represent a tactical change in scale but not in kind. After all, Russia accepted and at least tacitly supported Assad’s chemical attacks on his own people. note: the US gave up offensive chemical and biological weaps in 1969. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 26, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: What Putin has done will bring a end to not only himself but a end to Russia itself. How this ends, that is yet to be determined. Putin has violated the construct of MAD, and there can be only one peaceful path to right his example. Putin is a desperate detached man, no concept of what he has done,and Russia is a country that cannot contain this maddeness. Invading a Country militarily aggression is one thing, leveraging the world with nuclear retaliation sets a example that cannot be tolerated. Nor will it be unchecked, Putin is not the only singular leader in this world with ambitions mutual assured destruction, principle of deterrence founded on the notion that a nuclear attack by one superpower would be met with an overwhelming nuclear counterattack such that both the attacker and the defender would be annihilated. https://www.britannica.com/topic/mutual-assured-destruction Sorry, but it is not Putin or Russia who destroyed themselves, but you, as the collective "first world". You destroyed not only the dollar or euro, but a very concept of reserve currency as such. The rest of the world is dropping your currencies and running as we speak. Also note that no country outside the "golden billion" has joined the sanctions, so it is the end of Western imperialism as we know it. Soon enough, you are going to have to live according to your actual means, which you won't like a bit. This is the important bit with the enduring effect. Wars, they come and go. Edited March 26, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, surrept33 said: the nefarious 'biolabs' are WMD threat reduction programs that Russia had full knowledge and understanding about, because it was a cooperative partner - often because they were often about WMDs that the Soviet Union had developed: https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-the-nunn-lugar-cooperative-threat-reduction-program/ of course, Russia withdrew cooperation: Revised Arrangement Negotiation between the United States and Russia On October 10, 2012, the Russian government rejected an Obama Administration proposal to renew the CTR agreement after 20 years of partnership. The Russian government stated that CTR was “not consistent with our ideas about what forms and on what basis further cooperation should be built.” The “umbrella agreement” authorizing Nunn-Lugar in Russia expired in June of 2013. meanwhile, let's look at Russia's own biological weapons program: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2022-03-25/preparing-unthinkable-ukraine?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tw_daily_soc&utm_source=twitter_posts Just a few weeks ago, the notion that Russia might use such weapons in its campaign in Ukraine would have seemed unduly alarmist. That is no longer the case. No doubt following intelligence reports, the White House has quietly assembled a team of national security officials to sketch out responses to any Russian biological or chemical attack. Putin has already placed the nuclear option on the table by setting his nuclear weapons forces on alert. Such brinkmanship makes the use of chemical and biological agents more plausible. Putin’s claim that Ukraine itself intends to bring these internationally banned weapons of mass destruction into the conflict seems like one of his classic acts of projection, suggesting that as the war drags on Russia could initiate false flag operations to do just that. Russia has had, and very likely continues to have, the capability to produce an extensive supply of offensive chemical and biological weapons, whereas Ukraine has neither the capacity nor the will to do so. From the Soviet era, the Kremlin inherited the know-how for weaponizing anthrax, brucellosis, glanders, Marburg virus, plague, Q fever, tularemia, and smallpox, among other toxic bugs. Soviet scientists even tried to insert the mosquito-borne, brain-attacking Venezuelan equine encephalitis into smallpox vaccines. At least three Soviet-era biowarfare labs remain inaccessible to international inspectors, so extreme experiments of this kind could continue in some form. Putin seemingly has no compunction about using such agents against his political foes: he ordered the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, a defector and Putin critic, with radioactive polonium in 2006; poisoned another defector, Sergei Skripal, in 2018; and targeted the opposition leader Alexei Navalny with Novichok nerve agent in 2020. Attacking a civilian population with these weapons would represent a tactical change in scale but not in kind. After all, Russia accepted and at least tacitly supported Assad’s chemical attacks on his own people. note: the US gave up offensive chemical and biological weaps in 1969. What is the difference between offensive and defensive biological weapon research, exactly? What the Russians find particularly irksome is very obvious attempts to research pathogens targeting specifically Russian DNA. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 26, 2022 2 hours ago, surrept33 said: the nefarious 'biolabs' are WMD threat reduction programs that Russia had full knowledge and understanding about, because it was a cooperative partner - often because they were often about WMDs that the Soviet Union had developed: https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-the-nunn-lugar-cooperative-threat-reduction-program/ of course, Russia withdrew cooperation: Revised Arrangement Negotiation between the United States and Russia On October 10, 2012, the Russian government rejected an Obama Administration proposal to renew the CTR agreement after 20 years of partnership. The Russian government stated that CTR was “not consistent with our ideas about what forms and on what basis further cooperation should be built.” The “umbrella agreement” authorizing Nunn-Lugar in Russia expired in June of 2013. meanwhile, let's look at Russia's own biological weapons program: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2022-03-25/preparing-unthinkable-ukraine?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tw_daily_soc&utm_source=twitter_posts Just a few weeks ago, the notion that Russia might use such weapons in its campaign in Ukraine would have seemed unduly alarmist. That is no longer the case. No doubt following intelligence reports, the White House has quietly assembled a team of national security officials to sketch out responses to any Russian biological or chemical attack. Putin has already placed the nuclear option on the table by setting his nuclear weapons forces on alert. Such brinkmanship makes the use of chemical and biological agents more plausible. Putin’s claim that Ukraine itself intends to bring these internationally banned weapons of mass destruction into the conflict seems like one of his classic acts of projection, suggesting that as the war drags on Russia could initiate false flag operations to do just that. Russia has had, and very likely continues to have, the capability to produce an extensive supply of offensive chemical and biological weapons, whereas Ukraine has neither the capacity nor the will to do so. From the Soviet era, the Kremlin inherited the know-how for weaponizing anthrax, brucellosis, glanders, Marburg virus, plague, Q fever, tularemia, and smallpox, among other toxic bugs. Soviet scientists even tried to insert the mosquito-borne, brain-attacking Venezuelan equine encephalitis into smallpox vaccines. At least three Soviet-era biowarfare labs remain inaccessible to international inspectors, so extreme experiments of this kind could continue in some form. Putin seemingly has no compunction about using such agents against his political foes: he ordered the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko, a defector and Putin critic, with radioactive polonium in 2006; poisoned another defector, Sergei Skripal, in 2018; and targeted the opposition leader Alexei Navalny with Novichok nerve agent in 2020. Attacking a civilian population with these weapons would represent a tactical change in scale but not in kind. After all, Russia accepted and at least tacitly supported Assad’s chemical attacks on his own people. note: the US gave up offensive chemical and biological weaps in 1969. There were never any "Assad chemical attacks on his own people" Look up OPCW leaks on Wikileaks. OPCW collected them all in 2013, which netted them a Nobel Peace Prize for the year. The Novichok Bondiana ought to be insulting to anybody's intelligence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM March 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Sorry, but it is not Putin or Russia who destroyed themselves, but you, as the collective "first world". You destroyed not only the dollar or euro, but a very concept of reserve currency as such. The rest of the world is dropping your currencies and running as we speak. Also note that no country outside the "golden billion" has joined the sanctions, so it is the end of Western imperialism as we know it. Soon enough, you are going to have to live according to your actual means, which you won't like a bit. This is the important bit with the enduring effect. Wars, they come and go. The rest of the world is dropping your currencies??? ha ha ha......Ruble is garbage........Toilet paper is worth more... as you can use toilet paper...Rubles are too abrasive. Today the new flag of Russia ....is all white......Russian troops are pulling back...at least what is left of them....... Crimea....soon to be the new battle front.....Enjoy another Russian pull back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, notsonice said: The rest of the world is dropping your currencies??? ha ha ha......Ruble is garbage........Toilet paper is worth more... as you can use toilet paper...Rubles are too abrasive. Today the new flag of Russia ....is all white......Russian troops are pulling back...at least what is left of them....... Crimea....soon to be the new battle front.....Enjoy another Russian pull back. Check again. Hyperinflation and complete breakdown of the banking system you promised failed to materialize. When your bank refuses service to you because they have an issue with your morality and steals your deposits, you start looking for a different bank. So do the other bank customers who get a wind of it. Your undoing will be slower, but a lot more severe. Because, ultimately, does your premium lifestyle depend on various services built upon trust in your financial and legal system. Which you just destroyed. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 680 March 27, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 4:32 AM, Andrei Moutchkine said: You are the ones kept in the dark. I am watching both sides of the propaganda war, you are obviously watching only one. Why isn't Putin going to win? The figures of Russian losses your press gets from Ukrainian sources are highly dubious. Russia has been gaining ground every day so far, controlling more territory than the size of the entire UK. Ukraine is a large place. It is wider across than distance from London to Berlin. There is a London-based advertising agency controlling the Ukrainian "war reporting" https://www.mintpressnews.com/ukraine-propaganda-war-international-pr-firms-dc-lobbyists-cia-cutouts/280012/ RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MARCH 26 Mar 26, 2022 - Press ISW Russian forces continued their unsuccessful efforts to move into positions from which to attack or encircle Kyiv, claims by First Deputy Chief of the Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoi on March 25 notwithstanding. The Russian military continues to concentrate replacements and reinforcements in Belarus and Russia north of Kyiv, to fight for positions on Kyiv’s outskirts, and to attempt to complete the encirclement and reduction of Chernihiv. Russian activities around Kyiv show no change in the Russian high command’s prioritization of the fight around Ukraine’s capital, which continues to occupy the largest single concentration of Russian ground forces in Ukraine. The Russians have not claimed to redeploy forces from Kyiv or any other part of Ukraine to concentrate on fighting in Donbas, and we have observed numerous indicators that they have not done so. The increasingly static nature of the fighting around Kyiv reflects the incapacity of Russian forces rather than any shift in Russian objectives or efforts at this time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,211 DM March 27, 2022 17 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Check again. Hyperinflation and complete breakdown of the banking system you promised failed to materialize. When your bank refuses service to you because they have an issue with your morality and steals your deposits, you start looking for a different bank. So do the other bank customers who get a wind of it. Your undoing will be slower, but a lot more severe. Because, ultimately, does your premium lifestyle depend on various services built upon trust in your financial and legal system. Which you just destroyed. When your bank refuses service to you because they have an issue with your morality??? issue with my morality....I highly doubt it........ so are you having problems again accessing your rubles through your ATM??? I heard that Russian banks are refusing to hand out more than a few thousand rubles at a time...Seems that no one trusts banks in Russia and everyone wants to cash out. Now I can see them refusing to serve Russians as they do have questionable morality....Putin would never be served in my neck of the woods 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, notsonice said: When your bank refuses service to you because they have an issue with your morality??? issue with my morality....I highly doubt it........ so are you having problems again accessing your rubles through your ATM??? I heard that Russian banks are refusing to hand out more than a few thousand rubles at a time...Seems that no one trusts banks in Russia and everyone wants to cash out. Now I can see them refusing to serve Russians as they do have questionable morality....Putin would never be served in my neck of the woods Central banking is banking. You've done more "sanctions" to Russia than to WWII Nazi Germany. Hope it was worth it. Countries quitting dollar reserves is not my idea, somebody at the IMF says it is already happening. Like Putin says, nothing but candy wrappers. Bretton Woods is dead, the next gen international finance will be based on commodities. There is no problem with Russian ATMs dispensing rubles. The banking run only lasted a couple of days. Most transactions in the country are cashless. Even Apple and Google Pay now allow Russian Mir network cards. The amount of dollar cash the banks dispense is restricted to $10,000, that's it. Your future 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, notsonice said: When your bank refuses service to you because they have an issue with your morality??? issue with my morality....I highly doubt it........ so are you having problems again accessing your rubles through your ATM??? I heard that Russian banks are refusing to hand out more than a few thousand rubles at a time...Seems that no one trusts banks in Russia and everyone wants to cash out. Now I can see them refusing to serve Russians as they do have questionable morality....Putin would never be served in my neck of the woods Map of the countries "sanctioning" Russia. All the so-called "democracies" (i.e. countries devoid of foreign policy distinct from the USA) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 27, 2022 (edited) On 3/27/2022 at 4:55 AM, Ron Wagner said: RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MARCH 26 Mar 26, 2022 - Press ISW Russian forces continued their unsuccessful efforts to move into positions from which to attack or encircle Kyiv, claims by First Deputy Chief of the Russian General Staff Sergei Rudskoi on March 25 notwithstanding. The Russian military continues to concentrate replacements and reinforcements in Belarus and Russia north of Kyiv, to fight for positions on Kyiv’s outskirts, and to attempt to complete the encirclement and reduction of Chernihiv. Russian activities around Kyiv show no change in the Russian high command’s prioritization of the fight around Ukraine’s capital, which continues to occupy the largest single concentration of Russian ground forces in Ukraine. The Russians have not claimed to redeploy forces from Kyiv or any other part of Ukraine to concentrate on fighting in Donbas, and we have observed numerous indicators that they have not done so. The increasingly static nature of the fighting around Kyiv reflects the incapacity of Russian forces rather than any shift in Russian objectives or efforts at this time. That's objectively false. Nobody has even tried to storm Kiev yet. This would make little sense, with Ze and the government not there anymore. Most of the Russian (and Ukrainian) forces are in Donbass. Edited March 28, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff March 27, 2022 We can get a rough idea of the US political elites’ involvement in the military biological activity in Ukraine, if we consider open sources as well as leaked documents. Below is an attempt to reconstruct the chronology of this involvement, albeit not comprehensive. Many gaps in this truly diabolical plan are still to be filled. 1991 – the US launches the Nunn-Lugar programme for the former Soviet countries to control/eliminate Soviet weapons of mass destruction including bioweapons. The Pentagon's Defence Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) was named as the programme’s main executor. 1993 – the Ukraine-US Agreement on the Prevention of Proliferation of WMD is signed. 2005 – an additional protocol is signed to the agreement between the Ukrainian Health Ministry and the DTRA on the prevention of the proliferation of technologies, pathogens and know-how that can be used to develop bioweapons. This is the start of the transfer of the Ukrainian military biological potential into US specialists' hands. 2000s – large US military-industrial companies are engaged in military biological activity in Ukraine. 2005-2014 – Black & Veatch Special Projects, a DTRA contractor, builds and upgrades 8 biolabs in Ukraine instead of eliminating military biological infrastructure, as was originally claimed. One of the facilities, a biolab in Odessa, has been financed since 2011 for the study of “pathogens that can be used in bioterrorism attacks.” 2007 – US DoD employee Nathan Wolfe founded Global Viral Forecasting Institute (subsequently - Global Viral), a biomedical company. The mission stated in the charter is non-commercial study of transborder infections, including in China. 2009 – Rosemont Seneca Partners is established by former US Secretary of State John Kerry’ stepson Christopher Heinz and incumbent US President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden. 2014 – anti-constitutional coup d’etat in Ukraine. 2014 – Hunter Biden joins the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company. Receives a $1mm annual stipend. 2014 – Metabiota, a private commercial organisation specialising in the study of pandemic risks is detached from Global Viral. Neil Callahan and John DeLoche, employees of Hunter Biden’s company Rosemont Seneca Partners are appointed to the board of Metabiota. Global Viral and Metabiota begin to get funding from the US Department of Defence. 2014 - Metabiota shows interest in Ukraine and invites Hunter Biden to "assert Ukraine's cultural & economic independence from Russia". 2014 - Metabiota and Burisma Holdings begin cooperation on an unnamed "science project in Ukraine". 2014 - Metabiota, Global Viral and Black & Veatch Special Projects begin full-fledged cooperation within the US DoD programmes. 2014-2016 - Implementation of Metabiota and US DoD contracts, including a $300,000 project in Ukraine. 2016 – US citizen Ulana Nadia Suprun, a descendant of Ukrainian Nazis, is appointed Acting Health Minister of Ukraine. The US DoD and Ukraine’s Health Ministry cooperation programme is greatly expanded. 2016 – an outbreak of swine flu among Ukrainian Defence Ministry personnel guarding a biolab in Kharkov, Ukraine; 20 dead. The incident is hushed up. 2016 – former US Assistant Secretary for Defence Andrew Weber is appointed head of Metabiota’s global partnerships department. 2016 – EcoHealth Alliance, a Global Viral founder Nathan Wolfe’s structure, is engaged in the study of bat-transmitted coronaviruses at the research centre in a Wuhan laboratory, China. 2016 – the DTRA and Ukraine’s Health Ministry extend the contract after getting approval from the Ukrainian Defence Ministry. 2019 – the COVID-19 mutated bat coronavirus pandemic begins with an outbreak in Wuhan. February 24, 2022 – launch of the Russian Army’s special operation in Ukraine. February 24-25, 2022 – rapid elimination of strains in biolabs in Ukraine. March 8, 2022 – US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland openly acknowledges the existence of cooperation between the US and Ukraine in pathogens. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankfurter + 562 ff March 27, 2022 A message to me from a person on the ground, who is a member of the Main Council of the Civil-Military Administration of Zaporozhye Oblast. Today I know of over 30 cases of killing civilians in Zaporozhye. Terrbile photos of the massacre of civilians who tried to leave Zaporozhye. They were shot by Zelensky's militants from the police and the defense forces. On March 17, at a checkpoint located at the exit from Zaporozhye along the Nikopol Highway, the so-called "policemen" opened fire on civilian vehicles without explanation and without warning, as a result of which two local residents were killed and three received gunshot wounds. Meanwhile, Zelensky announced a one and a half day curfew in Zaporozhye- from Saturday evening to Monday morning; so none of the townspeople could get out of the city and thus become a human shield for Zelensky's militants, who prepared an even worse fate for Zaporozhye than the fate of Mariupol and Kharkov. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 March 27, 2022 (edited) As Putin said, you will pay for gas in rubles from now on. At the same time, he noted that Russia STARTS dedolarization by selling gas for rubles. In a moment, Russia will sell all raw materials only for rubles. Russia cannot be bombed and Putin cannot be killed for making you, on a much larger scale, a similar trick to Saddam Hussein or Kadafii The West would of course have long time ago bombed and destroyed Russia like Iraq or Yugoslavia. Thank God Russia has nuclear weapons. And now, if you want to impose sanctions on Russia, it's high time to pay for all their raw materials in rouble or maybe yuan. Because definitely not in dollars and euros, it was for long time and has just ended. As Andrei said you can use financial bomb at this scale only once. With huge ramifications for emerging markets. Your financial system just lost most important advantage- TRUST. You cant do this now to much more important rival- China because they will surely learn a lesson and be prepared. For me its high time to slowly sell all US bonds owned currently by China. High time to use national currenciens much more often in bilateral trade if there is no trust anymore in $ or euro. Maybe a new reserve currency in next 20 years will be juan not $. In a world history new world reserve currency always meant new hegemon was born. Edited March 27, 2022 by Tomasz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 680 March 27, 2022 12 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: That's objectively false. Nobody has even tried to storm Kiev. This would make no sense, with Ze and the government not there anymore. Most of the Russian (and Ukrainian) forces are in Donbass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP March 28, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 5:11 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said: I am merely telling you that Russia is winning, as expected. Making the Ukrainians believe anything else and arming them up is outright criminal. Your government is among the parties interested in the war being as long and as bloody as possible. Instead, the Ukes should've thrown in the towel right away. The demands were initially quite light, but now won't be anymore. Why should the Ukrainians not defend their own country against an agressor?? Would Russia just give up without a fight if China or the US invaded? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Why should the Ukrainians not defend their own country against an agressor?? Would Russia just give up without a fight if China or the US invaded? Because Russia didn't actually plan on fully invading, only to get them to lay off Donbass. Which is quite a reasonable demand, as it hasn't been in Ukraine for a while and not going to be again. Absolutely not worth having a total war over, destroying their own infrastructure. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Why should the Ukrainians not defend their own country against an agressor?? Would Russia just give up without a fight if China or the US invaded? Because Russia didn't actually plan on fully invading, only to get them to lay off Donbass. So youre saying that Putin and his advisors got it wrong then and misunderstood the situation of how strongly the Ukrainians would defend their land. It looks like Zelensky is going to concede Donbass to end the war in any case. Clever in my opinion as he will look like the hero when the dust finally settles and Russia a pariah in the global community. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rob Plant said: So youre saying that Putin and his advisors got it wrong then and misunderstood the situation of how strongly the Ukrainians would defend their land. It looks like Zelensky is going to concede Donbass to end the war in any case. Clever in my opinion as he will look like the hero when the dust finally settles and Russia a pariah in the global community. Every invasion plan worth its salt obviously includes also the worst-case scenarios. Which is not yet. That would be NATO forces getting directly engaged. Too late for Donbass only. Looks more likely Ukraine is going to lose the entire South-East now. You are encouraging this BS, by rebroadcasting really stupid Ukrainian propaganda, which has them winning. Obviously, by arming the Ukrainians in a way that can give them tactical advantages only, too. Yes, they should give an Oscar to the "hero" for still being in his "Servant of the People" character. The "global community" is somewhat more than the collective West, pal. I think, you are the ones who are going to be pariahs. For being such thieves. Wars come and go. You yourself started a great many, destroyed countless countries and killed millions. Why is Ukraine any different? It really isn't, from the point of view of the real "global community" The concept of having any kind of "currency reserves" in the West is now gone, though. Dollar, euros and pounds are obviously worth as much as candy wrappers now. Edited March 28, 2022 by Andrei Moutchkine 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP March 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Dollar, euros and pounds are obviously worth as much as candy wrappers now. Hmmm which to have Dollars , Pounds, Euros or Rubles???? https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=USD Really tough one that 🤣 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Hmmm which to have Dollars , Pounds, Euros or Rubles???? https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=USD Really tough one that 🤣 It takes a while for a bubble that large to burst, but burst it will. They always do. Because, does the total dollar monetary base keep growing, whereas the circulation base now is shrinking very fast. You are in even worse shape. Shouldn't have stolen that Venezuelan Central Bank's gold. In general, major-first is more insightful https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=RUB Quite an improvement from 155:1 peak when the Western "sanctions" were first introduced. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP March 28, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said: Quite an improvement from 155:1 peak when the Western "sanctions" were first introduced. Yes but still awful As is this https://www.moex.com/en/ Edited March 28, 2022 by Rob Plant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Moutchkine + 828 March 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Rob Plant said: Yes but still awful As is this https://www.moex.com/en/ All foreign participants are cut off from their stock. Including myself, incidentally. This alone arguably constitutes an expropriation of Western capital about equal to the Russian central bank funds you "froze" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomasz + 1,608 March 28, 2022 I don't understand one thing. Collective West said demanding roubles for gas is breach of contract. There is one problem -you first broke fundamental deal by freezing Russian currency reserves. So stop screaming about some breach of contract because there is none anymore. There is no sense in getting dollar or euros for NG you are banned to use. It's high time to pay in roubles because there is no TRUST anymore. You want regime change in Russia. You can't eat a cake and still have it so it's high time to buy some roubles from sanctioned Russia Central Bank or to freeze in a winter. No third options. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,732 RP March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Tomasz said: I don't understand one thing. Collective West said demanding roubles for gas is breach of contract. There is one problem -you first broke fundamental deal by freezing Russian currency reserves. So stop screaming about some breach of contract because there is none anymore. There is no sense in getting dollar or euros for NG you are banned to use. It's high time to pay in roubles because there is no TRUST anymore. You want regime change in Russia. You can't eat a cake and still have it so it's high time to buy some roubles from sanctioned Russia Central Bank or to freeze in a winter. No third options. Europe Scrambles To Accommodate LNG Import Surge https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Europe-Scrambles-To-Accommodate-LNG-Import-Surge.html "The Russian war in Ukraine made Europe rethink its energy strategy, and the European Union has now drafted plans to cut EU demand for Russian gas by two-thirds before the end of 2022 and completely by 2030, to replenish gas stocks for winter and ensure the provision of affordable, secure, and sustainable energy." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites