E-car Sales Collapse

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Ah, is Jay showing he is a good evil slaver yet again?  Properly imposing the government boot upon the necks of all those who are innocent making their lives hellish? 

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18 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You say that every year and yet EV sales keep climbing. 17% growth in the UK and 71% growth in the US. 

And in Germany:

 battery electric cars (BEV) sales, which increased by almost 171 percent year-over-year to 86,649. That's about 31.7 percent of the total market (compared to 16.1 percent a year ago).

https://insideevs.com/news/687160/germany-electric-car-sales-august2023/#:~:text=Plug-in electric car registrations in Germany – August 2023&text=BEVs%3A 355%2C575 – up 56%,12% and 24.2% market share

Jay, in the UK private EV sales plunged 27% this year when the consumer incentives were removed, and are staying down. EVs are piling up in U.S. car lots begging for non-existent customers.

In China, unsold EV inventory is rotting away in junk lots.

Those are the numbers at the margin which show a major brick wall is emerging on EV sales.

 

Edited September 21, 2023 by Ecocharger

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, in the UK private EV sales plunged 27% this year when the consumer incentives were removed, and are staying down. EVs are piling up in U.S. car lots begging for non-existent customers.

In China, unsold EV inventory is rotting away in junk lots.

Those are the numbers at the margin which show a major brick wall is emerging on EV sales.

 

And once again reality makes a fool of you:

Europe

In August 2023, EU battery-electric car registrations surged by 118.1%, reaching 165,165 units, accounting for 21% of the market. Except for Malta (-22.6%), all EU markets saw double- and triple-digit percentage growth, with Germany, the largest market by volume, growing by a remarkable 170.7%. Belgium recorded the highest growth rate of 224.5%. Overall, battery-electric car sales increased by a significant 62.7%, with nearly 1 million units registered from January to August.

US

A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month.

China

 

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On 9/21/2023 at 5:42 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

And once again reality makes a fool of you:

Europe

In August 2023, EU battery-electric car registrations surged by 118.1%, reaching 165,165 units, accounting for 21% of the market. Except for Malta (-22.6%), all EU markets saw double- and triple-digit percentage growth, with Germany, the largest market by volume, growing by a remarkable 170.7%. Belgium recorded the highest growth rate of 224.5%. Overall, battery-electric car sales increased by a significant 62.7%, with nearly 1 million units registered from January to August.

US

A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month.

China

 

Again your numbers are nonsense, private EV sales in Britain collapsed by 27% since the fake incentives were removed, showing that the free market will not support EVs.

In the U.S. EVs are just piling up on the sales lots, and in China fields full of rotting unsold EVs give the lie to official sales numbers for EV.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Ecocharger

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Again your numbers are nonsense, private EV sales in Britain collapsed by 27% since the fake incentives were removed, showing that the free market will not support EVs.

In the U.S. EVs are just piling up on the sales lots, and in China fields full of rotting unsold EVs give the lie to official sales numbers for EVs/

Those numbers are reality that you can only lie about.

[Ecocharger + 1,473]

On 9/23/2023 at 12:11 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

Those numbers are reality that you can only lie about.

Look who is talking....you are the ultimate spinmeister who tries to distract from reality.

The reality is that inventories of EVs are piling up in the U.S., which means that production is redundant and will decline to match demand for product.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Ecocharger

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Look who is talking....you are the ultimate spinmeister who tries to distract from reality.

The reality is that inventories of EVs are piling up in the U.S., which means that production is redundant and will decline to match demand for product.

Oh the spin from reporting official government numbers when you present us with anecdotal reports from a few auto dealers. So when exactly should we expect to see this EV production decline?  

Let's take another look at that official growth rate from the US Gov't:

A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month. https://www.anl.gov/esia/light-duty-electric-drive-vehicles-monthly-sales-updates

Edited September 24, 2023 by Jay McKinsey

[Jeroen Goudswaard + 61]

On 9/20/2023 at 7:49 PM, Ecocharger said:

They will never take over the fleet...they are less than 2% if the fleet today, and there is a brick wall for demand beyond the niche which EVs occupy.

 

We are not talking about market share but share of rolling stock, which for EVs is miniscule in Europe.

 

The best sold phone in the USA is the iPhone 15 Pro, but it is only a fraction of the phones in use. Does that mean it is not a success? 

Edited September 26, 2023 by Jeroen Goudswaard

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On 9/26/2023 at 6:52 AM, Jeroen Goudswaard said:

The best sold phone in the USA is the iPhone 15 Pro, but it is only a fraction of the phones in use. Does that mean it is not a success? 

It is a failure if it is officially mandated to replace all phones and sales decline.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Ecocharger

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38 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

It is a failure if it is officially mandated to replace all phones and sales decline.

Well EV sales just keep skyrocketing!

A total of 126,294 plug-in vehicles (99,089 BEVs and 27,205 PHEVs) were sold during August 2023 in the United States, up 71.5% from the sales in August 2022. PEVs captured 9.51% of total LDV sales this month. https://www.anl.gov/esia/light-duty-electric-drive-vehicles-monthly-sales-updates

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Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 41% in July 2023 compared to July 2022, rising to 1,104,00 units. In the end, plugins represented 16% share of the overall auto market (11% BEV share alone).

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/10/world-ev-sales-15-of-world-auto-sales/

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47 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 41% in July 2023 compared to July 2022, rising to 1,104,00 units. In the end, plugins represented 16% share of the overall auto market (11% BEV share alone).

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/10/world-ev-sales-15-of-world-auto-sales/

on path to hit 25 million plugs sold a year in 2025

2025 is the year ICE total registered vehicles around the world peaks and then starts a long decline..........

Enjoy the Transition

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This one is for Mark:

EV SALES HIT 9% IN AUSTRALIA DURING BIGGEST EVER AUGUST FOR CAR SALES ON RECORD

https://eftm.com/2023/09/ev-sales-hit-9-in-australia-during-biggest-ever-august-for-car-sales-on-record-237224

[Jeroen Goudswaard + 61]

On 9/27/2023 at 7:33 PM, Ecocharger said:

It is a failure if it is officially mandated to replace all phones and sales decline.

Sales don't decline. There is no part of the world where they do.

EU market share in sales:

USA sales:

where total car sales in the USA is pretty constant.

China sales: (green is EV, black is non-EV)

India - note that on 1 June 2023 a special subsidy on 2-wheelers was reduced, so there was a temporary dip in June, (or a temporary boom in  May), but the market has already picked up again.

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10 hours ago, Jeroen Goudswaard said:

Sales don't decline. There is no part of the world where they do.

EU market share in sales:

USA sales:

where total car sales in the USA is pretty constant.

China sales: (green is EV, black is non-EV)

India - note that on 1 June 2023 a special subsidy on 2-wheelers was reduced, so there was a temporary dip in June, (or a temporary boom in  May), but the market has already picked up again.

My prediction is that Eco is just going to deny all this as fabrication without any evidence to disprove it other than an anecdote or two.

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On 9/21/2023 at 2:10 PM, Ecocharger said:

Jay, in the UK private EV sales plunged 27% this year when the consumer incentives were removed, and are staying down. EVs are piling up in U.S. car lots begging for non-existent customers.

In China, unsold EV inventory is rotting away in junk lots.

Those are the numbers at the margin which show a major brick wall is emerging on EV sales.

 

a major brick wall is emerging on EV sales?????

not in the US.....

Enjoy reality

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/22/electric-vehicle-sales-in-us-hit-the-accelerator-pedal/

Electric Vehicle Sales In US Hit The Accelerator Pedal — Even Beyond California

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by notsonice

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this post is for EcoChump .......the guy in denial

 

here is some of the latest news ......for the guy who ignores facts and does not keep up with the times

 

CleanTechnica

Tesla Rules In Europe, Volkswagen Climbing — Europe EV Sales Report

Tesla continues to be the best selling brand in Europe, but the Volkswagen brand continues to recover. Approximately 270,000 plugin vehicles...

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18 hours ago

 

Investopedia

Chinese EV Sales Surged in September, Underscoring a Thriving Market

Chinese electric vehicle (EV) sales surged in September, underscoring a booming market that has held steady despite the country's recent...

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2 days ago

 

InsideEVs

US: Hyundai Ioniq BEV Sales Quadrupled In September 2023

Hyundai Motor America reported 68,961 vehicle sales in the United States in September, which is 16 percent more than a year ago.

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1 day ago

 

Morningstar

Ford: Third-Quarter U.S. Sales Set New EV Highs

Most automakers reported their third-quarter or September U.S. auto sales on Oct. 3, with Wards putting the month's deliveries to end...

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2 hours ago

 

The Driven |

Tesla Model Y outsells all other passenger cars again in a bumper month of EV sales

Tesla dominated another good month of EV sales as more affordable options hit the market, with BYD and the MG4 also doing well.

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18 hours ago

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12 minutes ago, notsonice said:

this post is for EcoChump .......the guy in denial

 

here is some of the latest news ......for the guy who ignores facts and does not keep up with the times

 

CleanTechnica

Tesla Rules In Europe, Volkswagen Climbing — Europe EV Sales Report

Tesla continues to be the best selling brand in Europe, but the Volkswagen brand continues to recover. Approximately 270,000 plugin vehicles...

.

18 hours ago

 

Investopedia

Chinese EV Sales Surged in September, Underscoring a Thriving Market

Chinese electric vehicle (EV) sales surged in September, underscoring a booming market that has held steady despite the country's recent...

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2 days ago

 

InsideEVs

US: Hyundai Ioniq BEV Sales Quadrupled In September 2023

Hyundai Motor America reported 68,961 vehicle sales in the United States in September, which is 16 percent more than a year ago.

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1 day ago

 

Morningstar

Ford: Third-Quarter U.S. Sales Set New EV Highs

Most automakers reported their third-quarter or September U.S. auto sales on Oct. 3, with Wards putting the month's deliveries to end...

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2 hours ago

 

The Driven |

Tesla Model Y outsells all other passenger cars again in a bumper month of EV sales

Tesla dominated another good month of EV sales as more affordable options hit the market, with BYD and the MG4 also doing well.

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18 hours ago

Nice aggregation of growing EV sales numbers. Poor, poor Eco all he has left is a meaningless inventory number. 

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Nice aggregation of growing EV sales numbers. Poor, poor Eco all he has left is a meaningless inventory number. 

Thanks, a quick google search disproves everything Ecochump posts. I think he has put me on ignore as he really does not like facts, reality or anyone calling him out on his BS.....

The world is full of Luddites........and this site has its full share of them.

 

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Toyota to power new EVs in the US with big LG battery supply agreement

Peter Johnson | Oct 4 2023 - 2:54 pm PT

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Toyota has found a battery supplier to power its next wave of electric vehicles in the US. LG Energy Solution and Toyota signed a long-term battery supply agreement Wednesday for upcoming EV models assembled in the US.

 

Starting in 2025, LG Energy Solution will supply Toyota with 20 GWh of battery modules annually.

According to the new supply agreement, the battery modules will be high-nickel NCMA (nickel, cobalt, manganese, aluminum) pouch-type cells.

LG Energy Solution will invest around $3 billion (KRW 4 trillion) into its Holland, Michigan, facility to build exclusive EV battery production lines for Toyota to increase supply.

Once complete, the battery modules will be sent to Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky, the automaker’s largest manufacturing plant globally. The battery modules will then be assembled into battery packs and used to power new EVs in the US.

Toyota revealed in May it would produce its first EV assembled in the US, a three-row electric SUV at the facility. It will be one of ten new Toyota EVs launching globally by 2026.

Although Toyota has yet to reveal any other details on the new EV, it’s expected to arrive in 2025, coinciding with the new supply agreement.

Toyota three-row electric SUV concept (Source: Toyota)

Ted Ogawa, president and CEO of Toyota Motor North America, said the new supply agreement with LG is “critical” for its EV growth plans in the US.

Meanwhile, the supply deal is the single largest from LG Energy outside of joint ventures. LG now supplies batteries to the top five global automakers. The company has eight manufacturing plants operating or under construction in North America as it continues expanding its battery supply chain.

Toyota bZ4X electric SUV (Source: Toyota)

Toyota, a notorious laggard in the EV era, has recently stepped up its vision for the future. The automaker revealed plans to launch advanced EV batteries starting in 2026 to power EVs with nearly 500 miles (800 km) of range, faster charging, and a lower cost.

Toyota EV battery roadmap (Source: Toyota)

Last month, the automaker showed off its next-gen EV production line, intended to significantly cut costs and speed up production.

Toyota will implement new technology like Giga casting, self-propelled assembly lines, and more in a bid to catch up to Tesla and other EV leaders.

Electrek’s Take

With fully electric vehicles accounting for less than 0.40% of Toyota’s over 1.6 million car sales in North America through September, the automaker has a long way to go in catching up.

Toyota sold 6,486 bZ4X models through the first nine months of 2023. Even Rivian, an EV startup, is easily outpacing Toyota, with 15,304 EVs delivered in the third quarter alone. Rivian has delivered 36,150 vehicles in 2023 and is on pace to produce 52,000 units.

 

While many automakers are hitting double-digit EV sales or even 100%, Toyota’s account for far less than 1%. Securing supply agreements for new electric models is one of the first steps to get back on track, but 2025 may still be too little too late.

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more bad news for the Luddites that think that E-car sales are collapsing

What say ye, Mark and Ecochump, any comments on the recent sales numbers of EV's????????????

Electrek

Volvo electric vehicles are in demand as US sales rise 631%

Volvo's fully electric vehicles are trending as sales rose by double-digits in every region in September. In the US, Volvo EV sales...

 

InsideEVs

US: BMW BEV Sales Tripled To Another Record In Q3 2023

BMW battery-electric vehicles (BEV) sales in Q3 amounted to 13079, which is 202 percent more than a year ago and a new quarterly record.

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4 hours ago

 

Chattanooga Times Free Press

Sales of Volkswagen Chattanooga's ID.4 EV climb 60%

Sales of new Chattanooga-built ID.4 electric SUVs rose more than 60% in the third quarter versus the same period a year ago, according to...

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21 hours ago

 

VinFast revenues jump on EV sales to Vietnam affiliate

Vietnamese electric car maker VinFast said on Thursday its third-quarter revenue more than doubled with the largest share of its sales going...

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3 hours ago

 

SAIC-GM's monthly EV sales tops 10000 again

SAIC-GM delivered 10002 electrified vehicles under the Buick, Chevrolet and Cadillac brands in September, a jump of 168 percent from a year...

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4 hours ago

 

Canalys

Canalys Newsroom - Global EV sales up 49% to 6.2 million units in H1 2023, with 55% of vehicles sold in Mainland ...

Canalys' latest research shows worldwide sales of electric vehicles (EVs*) grew by 49% to 6.2 million units in H1 2023.

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3 days ago

Investor's Business Daily

Tesla Rivals In China Achieve Record EV Sales, With BYD Topping 2 Million This Year

Major Tesla rivals in China grew EV sales in the third quarter after launching new and more affordable electric vehicles.

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2 days ago

 

Reuters

Swedish EV maker Polestar's deliveries rise 50% in Q3

Polestar Automotive Holding's deliveries of electric vehicles (EV) rose 50% in the third quarter from a year earlier, sending its shares up...

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5 hours ago

 

 

 

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Pretty much all the EV quarterly reports have been very positive. 

Billions more investment in battery factories, in the USA of all places. Biden brings back manufacturing to America! 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-lg-energy-sign-battery-supply-agreement-power-evs-2023-10-04/

 

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On 10/3/2023 at 4:28 AM, notsonice said:

a major brick wall is emerging on EV sales?????

not in the US.....

Enjoy reality

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/09/22/electric-vehicle-sales-in-us-hit-the-accelerator-pedal/

Electric Vehicle Sales In US Hit The Accelerator Pedal — Even Beyond California

 

Gonna laugh my a$$ off this winter when all those morons in Jersey and New York have their EVs die on the interstates due to traffic jams from either accidents or blizzards. NE US traffic in the winter is NOTHING like the rest of country!

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17 minutes ago, El Gato said:

Gonna laugh my a$$ off this winter when all those morons in Jersey and New York have their EVs die on the interstates due to traffic jams from either accidents or blizzards. NE US traffic in the winter is NOTHING like the rest of country!

There are lots of EV's around here, much further north, and have been for years.

Will you laugh at all the people who's ICE cars fail to start at all on cold days?  Super common up here.  The solution is to plug-in your block heater which is a huge waste of electricity  - and it doesn't even charge the battery.

Fancy that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by TailingsPond

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19 minutes ago, El Gato said:

Gonna laugh my a$$ off this winter when all those morons in Jersey and New York have their EVs die on the interstates due to traffic jams from either accidents or blizzards. NE US traffic in the winter is NOTHING like the rest of country!

Apparently you aren't aware that EVs have been driven in Jersey and NY for years and this hasn't happened yet. Oh and then there are examples such as Norway where they work just fine in winter. I guess the big question is do you even know where Norway is?

Winter climate of Norway

The climate varies greatly from region to region in this long country. Along the coast, temperatures usually stay around zero degrees Celsius. Inland, the temperatures are mostly lower and might sink down to 10-20 degrees below zero Celsius. Some places can even experience an bone chilling minus 40 degrees Celsius!

Norway’s EVs At A Record 93% Share

September saw plugin EVs at a record 93% share of Norway’s auto market, up from 89.1% year on year. The gains in share came from erosion of combustion vehicle volume, rather than growth in EV volume.

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Jay McKinsey