Ron Wagner + 707 December 12, 2023 https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/despite-concerns-290-electric-vehicle-fee-proposal-advances Despite concerns, $290 electric vehicle fee proposal advances in Pennsylvania The fee would fund highway maintenance and construction. Powered By By Anthony Hennen | The Center Square Published: December 11, 2023 11:00pm Article Dig Deeper (The Center Square) - (The Center Square) — Although a bill that creates an electric vehicle fee in Pennsylvania cleared a House committee on Monday, it’s unlikely to pass in its current form. Senate Bill 656, sponsored by Sen. Greg Rothman, R-New Bloomfield, would replace the alternative fuel tax with a $290 EV fee paid at the time of vehicle registration. Owners would also have the option of enrolling in a monthly payment plan. The fee would fill the place of the gas tax for electric vehicles, which some experts have called the “best path forward” as gas tax revenues continue to fall in Pennsylvania, leaving a funding gap for highway maintenance. Democrats on the House Transportation Committee oppose the fee, but advanced the bill to the chamber floor anyway for debate to tease out what they see as its unfair approach. The current system for EV owners is to file monthly statements on electric use and remit the tax to the Department of Revenue. Rothman, in a legislative memo, called the process cumbersome and noted that most EV owners don’t file the statements or are unaware that they are required to. “This legislation will simplify the process and ensure electric vehicle owners are paying their fair share towards the Commonwealth’s transportation infrastructure, just as individuals who drive gas-powered vehicles contribute towards fuel taxes,” Rothman wrote. The fee would fund highway maintenance and construction. In June, the Senate passed the bill 41-9. The committee approved the bill on a 22-3 vote, but not without reservations. “I oppose the current version of this bill,” Rep. Ed Neilson, D-Philadelphia. “I adamantly oppose this piece of legislation. I’m going to vote yes today only so we can move the bill forward to the full House while the amendment is still being negotiated between leadership of both the House and the Senate.” Neilson said that countless meetings with various groups have followed a May committee hearing on EV fees. “There’s a whole lot of agreement that EV owners should pay some kind of EV fee to upkeep our roads and bridges. However, this is not the right bill,” he said. “If this bill passes and gets put into law, (the fee) will be the highest in the country. We want to make sure that this legislation is done fairly — $290 is way too high.” The fee has already been negotiated down. In Rothman’s original proposal, private owners would have paid a $380 annual fee and commercial owners would have paid a $450 annual fee, though the $290 figure has been discussed since May. Neilson also criticized the current bill as not including rules concerning plug-in hybrid vehicles, pegging the fee to inflation, and other “technical issues.” The revised figure is close to what Pennsylvanians pay on average through the gas tax. A report from the Independent Fiscal Office found that the average driver paid $285 in gas taxes in 2021. House Republicans called the bill a fair change. “There’s an issue of fairness here — I think everyone that drives on our roads needs to pay a fair share on that,” Rep. Kerry Benninghoff, R-Bellefonte, said. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP December 12, 2023 China’s EV Sector Will Become Self-Sufficient By 2060 China’s EV Sector Will Become Self-Sufficient By 2060 | OilPrice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 12, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rob Plant said: China’s EV Sector Will Become Self-Sufficient By 2060 China’s EV Sector Will Become Self-Sufficient By 2060 | OilPrice.com You overlooked this statement from the article. "Back in August, environmental group Greenpeace revealed that China approved more than 50 gigawatts of new coal power in the first half of 2023 alone, and continues building coal-fired power plants at a record clip. China consumes nearly half of the world’s coal and ranks as the world’s biggest importer of oil." I guess the Chinese need to ramp up coal to meet the need for EV recharging. China is a voracious consumer of oil and oil products. Edited December 12, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 12, 2023 16 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/despite-concerns-290-electric-vehicle-fee-proposal-advances Despite concerns, $290 electric vehicle fee proposal advances in Pennsylvania The fee would fund highway maintenance and construction. Powered By By Anthony Hennen | The Center Square Published: December 11, 2023 11:00pm Article Dig Deeper (The Center Square) - (The Center Square) — Although a bill that creates an electric vehicle fee in Pennsylvania cleared a House committee on Monday, it’s unlikely to pass in its current form. Senate Bill 656, sponsored by Sen. Greg Rothman, R-New Bloomfield, would replace the alternative fuel tax with a $290 EV fee paid at the time of vehicle registration. Owners would also have the option of enrolling in a monthly payment plan. The fee would fill the place of the gas tax for electric vehicles, which some experts have called the “best path forward” as gas tax revenues continue to fall in Pennsylvania, leaving a funding gap for highway maintenance. Democrats on the House Transportation Committee oppose the fee, but advanced the bill to the chamber floor anyway for debate to tease out what they see as its unfair approach. The current system for EV owners is to file monthly statements on electric use and remit the tax to the Department of Revenue. Rothman, in a legislative memo, called the process cumbersome and noted that most EV owners don’t file the statements or are unaware that they are required to. “This legislation will simplify the process and ensure electric vehicle owners are paying their fair share towards the Commonwealth’s transportation infrastructure, just as individuals who drive gas-powered vehicles contribute towards fuel taxes,” Rothman wrote. The fee would fund highway maintenance and construction. In June, the Senate passed the bill 41-9. The committee approved the bill on a 22-3 vote, but not without reservations. “I oppose the current version of this bill,” Rep. Ed Neilson, D-Philadelphia. “I adamantly oppose this piece of legislation. I’m going to vote yes today only so we can move the bill forward to the full House while the amendment is still being negotiated between leadership of both the House and the Senate.” Neilson said that countless meetings with various groups have followed a May committee hearing on EV fees. “There’s a whole lot of agreement that EV owners should pay some kind of EV fee to upkeep our roads and bridges. However, this is not the right bill,” he said. “If this bill passes and gets put into law, (the fee) will be the highest in the country. We want to make sure that this legislation is done fairly — $290 is way too high.” The fee has already been negotiated down. In Rothman’s original proposal, private owners would have paid a $380 annual fee and commercial owners would have paid a $450 annual fee, though the $290 figure has been discussed since May. Neilson also criticized the current bill as not including rules concerning plug-in hybrid vehicles, pegging the fee to inflation, and other “technical issues.” The revised figure is close to what Pennsylvanians pay on average through the gas tax. A report from the Independent Fiscal Office found that the average driver paid $285 in gas taxes in 2021. House Republicans called the bill a fair change. “There’s an issue of fairness here — I think everyone that drives on our roads needs to pay a fair share on that,” Rep. Kerry Benninghoff, R-Bellefonte, said. EVs should be taxed punitively because of the greater damage to highways caused by the vehicles. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM December 12, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: EVs should be taxed punitively because of the greater damage to highways caused by the vehicles. maybe we should tax fat people who ride in cars?????????? reality.....evs are not the cause of road damage nor are fat people riding in ICE vehicles Heavy trucks damage roads Heaslip and professional engineer Mark Gottlieb, associate director of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee’s Institute for Physical Infrastructure and Transportation, said heavy trucks cause the vast majority of damage on U.S. roadways. "Load-related damage to pavement and bridges is caused almost exclusively by heavy trucks. The deterioration from a single large truck can easily be equal to that of thousands of autos," Gottlieb said. "The contribution from autos and light trucks is insignificant. It makes no difference if they are EV or internal combustion." Just think of how much heavier, and how many more wheels, are on commercial trucks. A semitruck with eight axles weighing 80,000 pounds does 2,500 times more road damage than a two-axled, 4,000-pound sedan, according to the American Institute of Physics. For decades, engineers have agreed that heavy trucks are much more responsible than passenger vehicles for creating potholes and wearing down roadways, requiring more frequent repaving. Edited December 12, 2023 by notsonice 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 707 December 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, notsonice said: maybe we should tax fat people who ride in cars?????????? reality.....evs are not the cause of road damage nor are fat people riding in ICE vehicles Heavy trucks damage roads Heaslip and professional engineer Mark Gottlieb, associate director of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee’s Institute for Physical Infrastructure and Transportation, said heavy trucks cause the vast majority of damage on U.S. roadways. "Load-related damage to pavement and bridges is caused almost exclusively by heavy trucks. The deterioration from a single large truck can easily be equal to that of thousands of autos," Gottlieb said. "The contribution from autos and light trucks is insignificant. It makes no difference if they are EV or internal combustion." Just think of how much heavier, and how many more wheels, are on commercial trucks. A semitruck with eight axles weighing 80,000 pounds does 2,500 times more road damage than a two-axled, 4,000-pound sedan, according to the American Institute of Physics. For decades, engineers have agreed that heavy trucks are much more responsible than passenger vehicles for creating potholes and wearing down roadways, requiring more frequent repaving. Trucks pay far more in road taxes to compensate for the damage they cause. Electric vehicles pay nada. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 707 December 12, 2023 https://dailycaller.com/2023/12/12/biden-electric-vehicle-stock/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=pushNICK POPECONTRIBUTOR December 12, 20231:47 PM ET FONT SIZE: The Biden administration held up the electric vehicle (EV) charging company ChargePoint to support the president’s climate agenda on several occasions. Now, the company is facing considerable economic and legal headwinds. In February, the White House highlighted ChargePoint’s deals with other companies as proof that the administration’s “actions on EVs have spurred network operators to accelerate the buildout of coast-to-coast EV charging networks.” However, in the nearly ten months since, the company’s stock price has lost significant value, ChargePoint CEO Pasquale Romano has stepped down from his post and the company now faces a class action lawsuit. The White House promoted ChargePoint’s partnership with Mercedes-Benz and MN8 Energy “to deploy over 400 charging hubs with more than 2,500 publicly accessible (direct current) fast charging ports across the U.S. and Canada,” as well as the company’s partnership with Volvo and Starbucks “to deploy 60 (direct current) fast chargers at up to 15 locations along the 1,350-mile pilot route between Seattle and Denver to be completed by summer 2023.” Additionally, the White House touted ChargePoint’s agreement with SMTC Corporation to expand charger manufacturing capacity in California. (RELATED: Biden’s EV Push Undermined By Scarce And Faulty Charging Stations) The White House also commended ChargePoint for “[investing] in equitable workforce development and [training] a diverse pipeline of skilled workers to build our nation’s infrastructure” in a November 2022 press release focusing on examples of “major progress” made by President Joe Biden’s climate agenda. The administration also mentioned the company in several other press releases recapping positive developments in the EV charging industry, including the one from February. ChargePoint operates the largest public network of EV charging stations in the U.S. as of August, according to Edmunds. In August 2022, several months before the White House issued the February press release, Biden appointed Romano to the National Infrastructure Advisory Council, a group of private sector and state or local government officials tasked with advising Biden on how to best reduce risks to the nation’s critical infrastructure. Despite the appointment, Romano stepped down as CEO on Nov. 16, as did CFO Rex Jackson, according to Bloomberg News. Between the day before the announcement that Romano was leaving and the day after, the company’s stock lost nearly 40% of its value, according to data from Google Finance. The company’s stock price peaked at $46.10 per share on Dec. 24, 2020, and it stood at $13.38 per share on Feb. 15, 2023, the most recent that the White House mentioned the company in writing. As of Tuesday, it is trading at around $2.24 per share, according to data from Google Finance. The share price is down by nearly 75% year-to-date. The company’s third quarter financial filings also show the company’s revenue was 12% lower than it was in last year’s third quarter. ChargePoint posted a net loss of $158.2 million for the quarter, up from the $84.5 million the company lost during last year’s third quarter. There is also a class action lawsuit against the firm, which alleges that the company and some of its top executives violated the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Specifically, the suit, which covers the time between June 1 and Nov. 16, alleges that the company’s share price became artificially inflated because of false and misleading statements made by company executives. The lawsuit alleges that the company was experiencing elevated component costs and supply overruns, factors that were likely to decrease the company’s profitability by forcing costly impairments. The company’s supply chain issues ultimately forced it to announce a $42 million impairment, or reduction, to the value of its inventory in November, according to its third quarter filings. “Based on recent investor interactions and multiple negative datapoints across the EV value chain, sentiment in the EV charging space has been muted and we are not surprised that ChargePoint F3Q (third-quarter) revenues would track below expectations,” JPMorgan analysts, led by Bill Peterson, wrote in a November investor note, according to Reuters. “However, the magnitude of the miss and the deceleration late in the quarter doesn’t bode well for near-term fundamentals for ChargePoint or the broader EV value chain in general, and EV charging specifically.” ChargePoint’s story shares some characteristics with that of Li-Cycle, a battery recycling company with which the administration reached a conditional commitment for a $375 million loan package in February. Li-Cycle had cleared the Department of Energy’s (DOE) due diligence process while it was accused of defrauding its investors, and the company’s stock price has since tanked. Charging infrastructure remains a key obstacle to the Biden administration’s wider EV agenda, which aims to have 50% of all new car sales be EVs by 2030. Most charging stations are densely concentrated in more densely-populated, coastal regions of the U.S., according to the DOE. The Biden administration has set billions of dollars aside to help the EV industry build out a nationwide charging network. The administration has committed billions to subsidize EV manufacturing infrastructure, and also to provide consumer tax credits to increase the appeal of the pricier vehicles. However, auto manufacturers are mostly losing considerable amounts of money on their EV product lines, consumer demand is not reaching projected levels and auto executives are backing off some of their short-term production targets. The White House, ChargePoint and the DOE all did not respond immediately to requests for comment. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://dailycaller.com/2023/12/12/biden-electric-vehicle-stock/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=pushNICK POPECONTRIBUTOR December 12, 20231:47 PM ET FONT SIZE: The Biden administration held up the electric vehicle (EV) charging company ChargePoint to support the president’s climate agenda on several occasions. Now, the company is facing considerable economic and legal headwinds. In February, the White House highlighted ChargePoint’s deals with other companies as proof that the administration’s “actions on EVs have spurred network operators to accelerate the buildout of coast-to-coast EV charging networks.” However, in the nearly ten months since, the company’s stock price has lost significant value, ChargePoint CEO Pasquale Romano has stepped down from his post and the company now faces a class action lawsuit. The White House promoted ChargePoint’s partnership with Mercedes-Benz and MN8 Energy “to deploy over 400 charging hubs with more than 2,500 publicly accessible (direct current) fast charging ports across the U.S. and Canada,” as well as the company’s partnership with Volvo and Starbucks “to deploy 60 (direct current) fast chargers at up to 15 locations along the 1,350-mile pilot route between Seattle and Denver to be completed by summer 2023.” Additionally, the White House touted ChargePoint’s agreement with SMTC Corporation to expand charger manufacturing capacity in California. (RELATED: Biden’s EV Push Undermined By Scarce And Faulty Charging Stations) The White House also commended ChargePoint for “[investing] in equitable workforce development and [training] a diverse pipeline of skilled workers to build our nation’s infrastructure” in a November 2022 press release focusing on examples of “major progress” made by President Joe Biden’s climate agenda. The administration also mentioned the company in several other press releases recapping positive developments in the EV charging industry, including the one from February. ChargePoint operates the largest public network of EV charging stations in the U.S. as of August, according to Edmunds. In August 2022, several months before the White House issued the February press release, Biden appointed Romano to the National Infrastructure Advisory Council, a group of private sector and state or local government officials tasked with advising Biden on how to best reduce risks to the nation’s critical infrastructure. Despite the appointment, Romano stepped down as CEO on Nov. 16, as did CFO Rex Jackson, according to Bloomberg News. Between the day before the announcement that Romano was leaving and the day after, the company’s stock lost nearly 40% of its value, according to data from Google Finance. The company’s stock price peaked at $46.10 per share on Dec. 24, 2020, and it stood at $13.38 per share on Feb. 15, 2023, the most recent that the White House mentioned the company in writing. As of Tuesday, it is trading at around $2.24 per share, according to data from Google Finance. The share price is down by nearly 75% year-to-date. The company’s third quarter financial filings also show the company’s revenue was 12% lower than it was in last year’s third quarter. ChargePoint posted a net loss of $158.2 million for the quarter, up from the $84.5 million the company lost during last year’s third quarter. There is also a class action lawsuit against the firm, which alleges that the company and some of its top executives violated the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Specifically, the suit, which covers the time between June 1 and Nov. 16, alleges that the company’s share price became artificially inflated because of false and misleading statements made by company executives. The lawsuit alleges that the company was experiencing elevated component costs and supply overruns, factors that were likely to decrease the company’s profitability by forcing costly impairments. The company’s supply chain issues ultimately forced it to announce a $42 million impairment, or reduction, to the value of its inventory in November, according to its third quarter filings. “Based on recent investor interactions and multiple negative datapoints across the EV value chain, sentiment in the EV charging space has been muted and we are not surprised that ChargePoint F3Q (third-quarter) revenues would track below expectations,” JPMorgan analysts, led by Bill Peterson, wrote in a November investor note, according to Reuters. “However, the magnitude of the miss and the deceleration late in the quarter doesn’t bode well for near-term fundamentals for ChargePoint or the broader EV value chain in general, and EV charging specifically.” ChargePoint’s story shares some characteristics with that of Li-Cycle, a battery recycling company with which the administration reached a conditional commitment for a $375 million loan package in February. Li-Cycle had cleared the Department of Energy’s (DOE) due diligence process while it was accused of defrauding its investors, and the company’s stock price has since tanked. Charging infrastructure remains a key obstacle to the Biden administration’s wider EV agenda, which aims to have 50% of all new car sales be EVs by 2030. Most charging stations are densely concentrated in more densely-populated, coastal regions of the U.S., according to the DOE. The Biden administration has set billions of dollars aside to help the EV industry build out a nationwide charging network. The administration has committed billions to subsidize EV manufacturing infrastructure, and also to provide consumer tax credits to increase the appeal of the pricier vehicles. However, auto manufacturers are mostly losing considerable amounts of money on their EV product lines, consumer demand is not reaching projected levels and auto executives are backing off some of their short-term production targets. The White House, ChargePoint and the DOE all did not respond immediately to requests for comment. A complete fiasco, highlighting the gigantic Black Hole which is the EV industry. Taxpayers being bilked of trillions of dollars misspent on a worthless and unnecessary crusade against thin air, which has been exposed as a pointless policy. I don't know whether to laugh or cry...probably both. Edited December 12, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Trucks pay far more in road taxes to compensate for the damage they cause. Electric vehicles pay nada. There are huge problems with EVs because of their excess weight. https://www.axios.com/2023/04/28/evs-weight-safety-problems "Safety watchdogs are raising concerns after the recent deadly collapse of a parking garage in New York City called attention to the challenge of creaking infrastructure. Traffic safety is particularly concerning. In crashes, the "baseline fatality probability" increases 47% for every 1,000 additional pounds in the vehicle — and the fatality risk is even higher if the striking vehicle is a light truck (SUV, pickup truck, or minivan), according to a 2011 study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research. "Since we’re seeing pedestrian and roadway fatalities at record levels, the introduction of more weight into crashes via EVs will complicate any attempts to reduce the ongoing fatality crisis that has showed no signs of abating," Center for Auto Safety acting executive director Michael Brooks tells Axios in an email." Edited December 13, 2023 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL December 13, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 10:16 AM, notsonice said: You are a 25 year Military Vet????? If you are not you are very dis-respectable of those that serve by calling yourself QuarterCenturyVet I'm on an oil price forum and a veteran in the industry. Look up the definition and then print it off, ball it up, and shove it up your * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 1,007 GE December 13, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ecocharger said: There are huge problems with EVs because of their excess weight. https://www.axios.com/2023/04/28/evs-weight-safety-problems Only if many of them are being sold, which you claim they are not. You can't simultaneously claim there are so many EV's that parking garages are at risk of collapsing AND no EVs are being sold. FYI this is from your link: "Why it matters: Gas vehicles are slowly giving way to electric vehicles as investors, regulators and consumers clamor for more environmentally sustainable transportation." Edited December 13, 2023 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM December 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said: I'm on an oil price forum and a veteran in the industry. Look up the definition and then print it off, ball it up, and shove it up your * veteran ??? of what??? Military??? nope yet you pawned off here you are a real vet reality you do not get any medals nor are you a hero for being a Vet in oil as far as your shove it up yours........sounds like you got a big stick up yours already PS how is Greenview 1 Geothermal coming along.......scam scam scam....never went into construction or is it producing today???? ha ha ha a pipe dream Alberta No. 1?????? dead your expertise????? Canadian geothermal tech will lead the world????? 20 $1M dollar wells can produce electricity with the surface equipment, 24hr/day...and yet your dream project is dead... reality oh boy are you still waiting for your grand dreams to be built.....in the meantime as solar and wind with batteries are taking over..... Drillers need to retrain to install solar panels or they can clean toilets Edited December 13, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP December 13, 2023 12 hours ago, Ecocharger said: You overlooked this statement from the article. "Back in August, environmental group Greenpeace revealed that China approved more than 50 gigawatts of new coal power in the first half of 2023 alone, and continues building coal-fired power plants at a record clip. China consumes nearly half of the world’s coal and ranks as the world’s biggest importer of oil." I guess the Chinese need to ramp up coal to meet the need for EV recharging. China is a voracious consumer of oil and oil products. Yes and you still fail to realise that is replacement plants for ones being mothballed and even then they are back up generation! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP December 13, 2023 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: I don't know whether to laugh or cry...probably both. Neither! I would take your meds instead. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM December 13, 2023 12 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Trucks pay far more in road taxes to compensate for the damage they cause. Electric vehicles pay nada. we should tax ICE vehicles more to pay for all the health related problems from their exhaust and their effect on the climate... Only fair... to compensate for the damage they cause...just using your reasoning like 2nd hand smoke from cigs........who is paying to those who do not smoke ....the effects on their health now please do not tell me that cigarette smoke is a good thing for those who do not smoke..... and please do not tell me that global warming and more CO2 is good for all of us...... and please do not tell me the exhaust from ICE vehicles is good for all of our health....You lived in the LA area....smog was good for you???? what do you think $1 a gallon on gas to start....should be more in line with $2 or $3 a gallon 370 million gallons of gas sold every day in the us.....300 billion a year.......a small percentage of what is spent every year on health care every year in the US if you want to keep score on EV's be fair and keep score on the cost of using oil on all of us.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 707 December 14, 2023 I grew up in Los Angeles when smog was at its highest levels. On the worst days my lungs would hurt slightly. I am now 78 in good health for my age. I am more concerned about people being forced into buying products they do not want or paying too much for energy. Basically that freedoms of Americans and others do not disappear as they are in Europe, Canada, and other areas in the world to an even greater extent. I now live in Illinois which is almost as socialistic as California with a governor just as left wing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP December 14, 2023 Electric Vehicle Market Sees 20% Surge in Global Sales for November Electric Vehicle Market Sees 20% Surge in Global Sales for November | OilPrice.com So "E car sales collapse" is the title of this thread by Mark Lawson. Guess he's feeling a little silly right now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 15, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Rob Plant said: Electric Vehicle Market Sees 20% Surge in Global Sales for November Electric Vehicle Market Sees 20% Surge in Global Sales for November | OilPrice.com So "E car sales collapse" is the title of this thread by Mark Lawson. Guess he's feeling a little silly right now! Rob, take a closer look at your own numbers, that is YoY, not monthly sales. In recent months EVs are faltering. You are becoming increasingly numerically challenged. Here is from your own article above, it looks like EVs are in trouble in Europe. "Europe reported a 3% decline in sales compared to the same month in the previous year." Edited December 15, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 15, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 3:50 AM, Rob Plant said: Yes and you still fail to realise that is replacement plants for ones being mothballed and even then they are back up generation! Bottom line, coal is up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 15, 2023 (edited) On 12/13/2023 at 3:53 AM, Rob Plant said: Neither! I would take your meds instead. Read again, Rob. If this does not give you a laugh, you have misplaced your sense of humor. (Assuming that you ever had one.) "The Biden administration held up the electric vehicle (EV) charging company ChargePoint to support the president’s climate agenda on several occasions. Now, the company is facing considerable economic and legal headwinds." Edited December 15, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP December 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, take a closer look at your own numbers, that is YoY, not monthly sales. In recent months EVs are faltering. You are becoming increasingly numerically challenged. Here is from your own article above, it looks like EVs are in trouble in Europe. "Europe reported a 3% decline in sales compared to the same month in the previous year." The clue in my post was "globally"! not being selective on 1 geographical area like you, so Its you that struggles with global numbers which was my post! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,473 DL December 16, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Rob Plant said: The clue in my post was "globally"! not being selective on 1 geographical area like you, so Its you that struggles with global numbers which was my post! Rob, European sales of EVs DECLINED 3% this past year. That is a disaster for your wild schemes and will make it impossible to satisfy those weird targets which the Green nut-cases have foisted on your people. Edited December 16, 2023 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Rob, European sales of EVs DECLINED 3% this past year. That is a disaster for your wild schemes and will make it impossible to satisfy those weird targets which the Green nut-cases have foisted on your people. More of your lies: According to investment researcher Jefferies, European sales in 2023 still managed impressive growth to over just 2 million battery electric vehicles (BEVs) compared with 2022’s 1.6 million. Jefferies forecasts sales will accelerate to 4.8 million in 2025 and race on to 9.3 million in 2030. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,490 December 16, 2023 US EV sales are at an all time high. Historic: US EVs skyrocket past 1 million sales, up 50.7% YOY🔥 Year-to-date US EV sales have surpassed 1 million – the first time EV sales exceeded that threshold in a single sales year. The National Automobile Dealer Association (NADA) reports that through 11 months of 2023, BEV sales totaled 1,007,984 – an increase of 50.7% year-over-year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 707 December 18, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RL-oDmqnks HUGE NEWS! Volkswagen CEO WARNED TO SHUT DOWN EVs! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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