Rob Plant + 2,756 RP June 9, 2023 (edited) So Trump probably the most polarizing US politician in US history may face jail time if found guilty of taking classified material from the Whitehouse. My admittedly very little understanding of US politics and law, thinks that if he is found guilty and serves jail time he can not only still stand as the Republican nominee for the presidency whilst in jail, but can also if he were to win, actually still be inaugurated as the next president of the USA as a jailbird! Is this true or have I misunderstood? If it is true then thats crazy. Edited June 9, 2023 by Rob Plant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 83 LT June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Rob Plant said: So Trump probably the most ploarizing US politician in US history may face jail time if found guilty of taking classified material from the Whitehouse. My admittedly very little understanding of US politics and law, thinks that if he is found guilty and serves jail time he can not only still stand as the Republican nominee for the presidency whilst in jail, but can also if he were to win, actually still be inaugurated as the next president of the USA as a jailbird! Is this true or have I misunderstood? If it is true then thats crazy. Crazy as it is, I believe you are correct. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-elected-president-indicted-convicted-experts/story?id=97688250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Plant + 2,756 RP June 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Polyphia said: Crazy as it is, I believe you are correct. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-elected-president-indicted-convicted-experts/story?id=97688250 WOW!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 June 9, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Rob Plant said: So Trump probably the most polarizing US politician in US history may face jail time if found guilty of taking classified material from the Whitehouse. My admittedly very little understanding of US politics and law, thinks that if he is found guilty and serves jail time he can not only still stand as the Republican nominee for the presidency whilst in jail, but can also if he were to win, actually still be inaugurated as the next president of the USA as a jailbird! Is this true or have I misunderstood? If it is true then thats crazy. 9 hours ago, Polyphia said: Crazy as it is, I believe you are correct. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-elected-president-indicted-convicted-experts/story?id=97688250 9 hours ago, Rob Plant said: WOW!!!! The stakes are quite large are they not. History is not only being made it is also laying a foundation for a remarkable outcome. Trumps original impeachment was predicated on Biden's illegal activities in the Ukraine. Burisma as matter of fact...and now the drama unfolds... Joe Biden allegedly paid $5M by Burisma executive as part of a bribery scheme, according to FBI document Biden's son Hunter was a board member of Burisma and also allegedly in on the scheme By Brooke Singman | Fox News The sources briefed Fox News Digital on the contents of the FBI-generated FD-1023 form alleging a criminal bribery scheme between then-Vice President Joe Biden and a foreign national that involved influence over U.S. policy decisions. EXCLUSIVE: PERSON ALLEGING BIDEN CRIMINAL BRIBERY SCHEME IS 'HIGHLY CREDIBLE' FBI SOURCE USED SINCE OBAMA ADMIN: SOURCE The FD-1023 form, dated June 30, 2020, is the FBI's interview with a "highly credible" confidential source who detailed multiple meetings and conversations he or she had with a top Burisma executive over the course of several years, starting in 2015. Fox News Digital has not seen the form, but it was described by several sources who are aware of its contents. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-allegedly-paid-5-million-by-burisma-executive Joe Biden’s 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived OPINION>WHITE HOUSE THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL Joe Biden’s 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived BY JOHN SOLOMON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 04/01/19 9:37 PM ET ShareTweet ...More Editor’s note: John Solomon’s columns regarding Ukraine became a subject of the House Intelligence Committee’s impeachment inquiry against President Trump. Any updated information can be found at the end of the column. Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor. In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. {mosads}“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko. “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived/ https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html Read Trump’s phone conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky Updated 4:41 AM EDT, Thu September 26, 2019 The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me. Edited June 9, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG June 9, 2023 The Trumps, Boris Johnson’s and the Murdocks of the world will be known as not doing the best for their countries. Some think it’s what you can get away with and some of us think of the greater good for all. We all need to make money but morels and ethics is truly what good Americans aspire to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG June 9, 2023 FURTHER READING Fox News Settles Dominion Defamation Case For $787.5 Million, Dominion Lawyer Says (Forbes) The Exclusive Inside Story Of The Fall Of Overstock’s Mad King, Patrick Byrne(Forbes) Voting Company Smartmatic Sues MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell For Defamation (Forbes) Voting Company Smartmatic Sues One America News And Newsmax For Defamation Over Election Fraud Claims(Forbes) Dominion Sues Newsmax, OANN And Ex-Overstock CEO Byrne In New Defamation Suits Over Election Conspiracy Theory(Forbes) Dominion Voting Sues Sidney Powell For Defamation Over Election Conspiracy—And Others May Be Next (Forbes) Dominion Voting Sues Rudy Giuliani For $1.3 Billion Over Election Conspiracy(Forbes) Dominion Voting Sues MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell For Defamation Over Election Conspiracy (Forbes) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG June 9, 2023 The Bible says you reap what you sew. If the Russians, Chinese and the Saudi would have worked toward world peace the last few decades, oil prices would remain low and fracking would have never happened, electric cars would have never happened. Wars and inflation would have never happened. Trillions of dollars of wasted effort and millions of lives over greed and power. It is what it is and you can’t live in the past. The Putins, Trumps and XI’s of the world will keep the past alive. But hey we have AC and 55” tvs so life is good. I want the 80” tv before China implodes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 July 1, 2023 https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/europe/nanterre-france-police-protests-explainer-intl/index.html Protests are sweeping France. Here’s what you need to know By Sana Noor Haq, Joshua Berlinger, Tara John, Barry Neild and Xiaofei Xu, CNN Updated 4:32 AM EDT, Sat July 1, 2023 Video Ad Feedback French police arrest hundreds during protests 03:29 - Source: CNN CNN — France has been rocked by a wave of protests after a 17-year-old youth was shot by police near Paris on Tuesday, sparking a ban on demonstrations in some cities, travel warnings and reigniting a debate on over-policing in marginalized communities. Scenes emerged of people setting fires to vehicles and climbing onto buildings with smashed windows, while riot police officers fiercely clashed with demonstrators. The unrest prompted a crisis response from French President Emmanuel Macron, who held an emergency meeting with ministers as he attempts to bridge divisions and unite the country in his second term. Here’s what we know. What sparked the protests? A police officer shot dead the teenager, Nahel, who was of Algerian heritage, during a traffic stop in the Paris suburb of Nanterre earlier this week. Footage of the incident captured by a passerby showed two officers standing on the driver’s side of the car, one of whom discharged his gun at the driver despite not appearing to face any immediate threat. The officer said he fired his gun because he was scared the boy would run someone over with the car, Nanterre prosecutor Pascal Prache said. Prache said that it is believed the officer acted illegally in using his weapon. He is currently facing a formal investigation for voluntary homicide and has been placed in preliminary detention. Police officers patrol a demonstration in Marseille, France, on July 1. Clement Mahoudeau/AFP/Getty Images In pictures: Protests erupt across France after police shooting 1 of 18 PrevNext What’s happened since? Protesters have been carrying signs that read “the police kill” and hundreds of government buildings have been damaged as Nahel’s death taps into anger over racial bias in the country. Successive nights of violence across France and its overseas territories have in turn prompted French officials to launch a crackdown, with more than 40,000 police officers mobilized to patrol cities across the country. Since Tuesday, more than 2,000 people have been detained and more than 500 police officers and gendarmes have been injured, according to CNN calculations based on numbers released by the Interior Ministry. In Paris alone, 5,000 security personnel were deployed. Officers were given powers to quell riots, make arrests, and “restore republican order,” French Interior Minister Gerard Darmanin said. Enter your email to subscribe to the CNN Fareed Zakaria global analysis newsletter. close dialog Receive Fareed Zakaria’s Global Briefing including insights and must-read world news Activate Fareed's Briefing By subscribing you agree to our privacy policy. Overseas French territories have also witnessed violent protests. A man was killed by a “stray bullet” in Cayenne, capital of French Guiana, during riots on Thursday. Police have also detained at least 28 people in riots in Réunion, a French territory in the Indian Ocean, according to authorities there. What does this mean for Macron? Macron gave himself 100 days to heal the country and reset his presidency after weeks of protests against unpopular pension reforms earlier this year. But hopes for a reset are now likely to be hampered by the widespread protests. It has not gone unnoticed that Macron attended an Elton John concert on Wednesday as cars burned and buildings were defaced across the country. The French government is working to avoid a repeat of 2005, when the deaths of two teenage boys hiding from police set off a state of emergency amid three weeks of rioting. Macron did cut short his attendance at a European Council summit in Brussels that had been due to last through Friday. He announced a ban on all “large-scale events” in France, including “celebratory events and numerous gatherings,” and urged parents to keep their children at home, saying many of those detained were young. French President Emmanuel Macron (center) held a crisis meeting, in Paris, on Friday, after the police shooting of a teenage boy triggered protests. Yves Herman/AFP/Getty Images Macron has also called for social media platforms to help damp down the demonstrations, asking TikTok and Snapchat to withdraw the “most sensitive content” and to identify users who employ “social networks to call for disorder or to exacerbate violence.” What led to the unrest? Activists believe Nahel’s race was a factor in his killing, unraveling deep-rooted tensions over police discrimination against minoritized communities in France. Secularism – known as “laïcité” in French – is a key foundation of French culture, as it seeks to uphold equality for all by erasing markers of difference, including race. But many people of color in France say they are more likely to be victims of police brutality than White people. A 2017 study by the Rights Defenders, an independent human rights watchdog in France, found that young men perceived to be Black or Arab were 20 times more likely to be stopped by police than their peers. Accusations of brutality have long plagued French police. The Council of Europe criticized “excessive use of force by state agents” in a statement earlier this year during protests against Macron’s unpopular pension reforms. Rights groups, like Amnesty International, have accused French police of ethnic profiling and have recommended deep, systemic reform to address the discrimination. Anti-discrimination campaigners say Nahel's race was a factor in his death. Family Handout via Twitter The UN called on France to address “deep issues of racism and discrimination in law enforcement,” in the agency’s first comments since the killing. In a statement on Friday, a spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights urged French authorities to “ensure use of force by police to address violent elements in demonstrations always respects the principles of legality, necessity, proportionality, non-discrimination, precaution and accountability.” The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs later rebuffed the UN’s comments, saying: “France, and its police forces, fight with determination against racism and all forms of discrimination. There can be no doubt about this commitment. “The use of force by the national police and gendarmerie is governed by the principles of absolute necessity and proportionality, strictly framed and controlled,” the ministry added. Is it safe to travel to France? As peak travel season gets underway, multiple countries issued warnings to those visiting France, where domestic transport networks have been disrupted. The Interior Ministry announced that public transportation, including buses and tramways, would shut down across the country by 9 p.m. local time (3 p.m. ET), ahead of a fourth night of expected protests. Limited curfews were imposed in Clamart and Neuilly-sur-Marne, while some bus services were disrupted in Paris but the Metro system was operating as normal. The Nanterre-Préfecture train station was closed. In Lille, bus and tramway services were more or less running normally on Friday, with some diversions in place. In the southern city of Marseille, public transport was due to stop services at 7 p.m. There was no disruption to the Eurostar service connecting London, Lille and Paris as a result of the protests. French intercity trains are also not affected. Further afield, the US State Department issued a security alert on June 29 covering France. It suggested monitoring media outlets France24, RFI and The Local for updates. Meanwhile, Britain issued a travel advisory urging tourists to “monitor the media” and “avoid areas where riots are taking place.” German authorities also advised its citizens to “find out about the current situation where you are staying at and avoid large-scale places of violent riots.” CNN’s Dalal Mawad, Niamh Kennedy and Lindsay Isaac contributed reporting. RELATED Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 July 1, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2prZrDDKw Chinese Awaken, Protest Wave Sweeps Across China! Wagner Mutiny, Xi Jinping Panics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specinho + 467 July 2, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/europe/nanterre-france-police-protests-explainer-intl/index.html Protests are sweeping France. Here’s what you need to know By Sana Noor Haq, Joshua Berlinger, Tara John, Barry Neild and Xiaofei Xu, CNN Updated 4:32 AM EDT, Sat July 1, 2023 Video Ad Feedback French police arrest hundreds during protests 03:29 - Source: CNN CNN — France has been rocked by a wave of protests after a 17-year-old youth was shot by police near Paris on Tuesday, sparking a ban on demonstrations in some cities, travel warnings and reigniting a debate on over-policing in marginalized communities. Scenes emerged of people setting fires to vehicles and climbing onto buildings with smashed windows, while riot police officers fiercely clashed with demonstrators. The unrest prompted a crisis response from French President Emmanuel Macron, who held an emergency meeting with ministers as he attempts to bridge divisions and unite the country in his second term. Here’s what we know. What sparked the protests? A police officer shot dead the teenager, Nahel, who was of Algerian heritage, during a traffic stop in the Paris suburb of Nanterre earlier this week. Footage of the incident captured by a passerby showed two officers standing on the driver’s side of the car, one of whom discharged his gun at the driver despite not appearing to face any immediate threat. The officer said he fired his gun because he was scared the boy would run someone over with the car, Nanterre prosecutor Pascal Prache said. Prache said that it is believed the officer acted illegally in using his weapon. He is currently facing a formal investigation for voluntary homicide and has been placed in preliminary detention. Police officers patrol a demonstration in Marseille, France, on July 1. Clement Mahoudeau/AFP/Getty Images In pictures: Protests erupt across France after police shooting 1 of 18 PrevNext What’s happened since? Protesters have been carrying signs that read “the police kill” and hundreds of government buildings have been damaged as Nahel’s death taps into anger over racial bias in the country. Successive nights of violence across France and its overseas territories have in turn prompted French officials to launch a crackdown, with more than 40,000 police officers mobilized to patrol cities across the country. Since Tuesday, more than 2,000 people have been detained and more than 500 police officers and gendarmes have been injured, according to CNN calculations based on numbers released by the Interior Ministry. In Paris alone, 5,000 security personnel were deployed. Officers were given powers to quell riots, make arrests, and “restore republican order,” French Interior Minister Gerard Darmanin said. Enter your email to subscribe to the CNN Fareed Zakaria global analysis newsletter. close dialog Receive Fareed Zakaria’s Global Briefing including insights and must-read world news Activate Fareed's Briefing By subscribing you agree to our privacy policy. Overseas French territories have also witnessed violent protests. A man was killed by a “stray bullet” in Cayenne, capital of French Guiana, during riots on Thursday. Police have also detained at least 28 people in riots in Réunion, a French territory in the Indian Ocean, according to authorities there. What does this mean for Macron? Macron gave himself 100 days to heal the country and reset his presidency after weeks of protests against unpopular pension reforms earlier this year. But hopes for a reset are now likely to be hampered by the widespread protests. It has not gone unnoticed that Macron attended an Elton John concert on Wednesday as cars burned and buildings were defaced across the country. The French government is working to avoid a repeat of 2005, when the deaths of two teenage boys hiding from police set off a state of emergency amid three weeks of rioting. Macron did cut short his attendance at a European Council summit in Brussels that had been due to last through Friday. He announced a ban on all “large-scale events” in France, including “celebratory events and numerous gatherings,” and urged parents to keep their children at home, saying many of those detained were young. French President Emmanuel Macron (center) held a crisis meeting, in Paris, on Friday, after the police shooting of a teenage boy triggered protests. Yves Herman/AFP/Getty Images Macron has also called for social media platforms to help damp down the demonstrations, asking TikTok and Snapchat to withdraw the “most sensitive content” and to identify users who employ “social networks to call for disorder or to exacerbate violence.” What led to the unrest? Activists believe Nahel’s race was a factor in his killing, unraveling deep-rooted tensions over police discrimination against minoritized communities in France. Secularism – known as “laïcité” in French – is a key foundation of French culture, as it seeks to uphold equality for all by erasing markers of difference, including race. But many people of color in France say they are more likely to be victims of police brutality than White people. A 2017 study by the Rights Defenders, an independent human rights watchdog in France, found that young men perceived to be Black or Arab were 20 times more likely to be stopped by police than their peers. Accusations of brutality have long plagued French police. The Council of Europe criticized “excessive use of force by state agents” in a statement earlier this year during protests against Macron’s unpopular pension reforms. Rights groups, like Amnesty International, have accused French police of ethnic profiling and have recommended deep, systemic reform to address the discrimination. Anti-discrimination campaigners say Nahel's race was a factor in his death. Family Handout via Twitter The UN called on France to address “deep issues of racism and discrimination in law enforcement,” in the agency’s first comments since the killing. In a statement on Friday, a spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights urged French authorities to “ensure use of force by police to address violent elements in demonstrations always respects the principles of legality, necessity, proportionality, non-discrimination, precaution and accountability.” The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs later rebuffed the UN’s comments, saying: “France, and its police forces, fight with determination against racism and all forms of discrimination. There can be no doubt about this commitment. “The use of force by the national police and gendarmerie is governed by the principles of absolute necessity and proportionality, strictly framed and controlled,” the ministry added. Is it safe to travel to France? As peak travel season gets underway, multiple countries issued warnings to those visiting France, where domestic transport networks have been disrupted. The Interior Ministry announced that public transportation, including buses and tramways, would shut down across the country by 9 p.m. local time (3 p.m. ET), ahead of a fourth night of expected protests. Limited curfews were imposed in Clamart and Neuilly-sur-Marne, while some bus services were disrupted in Paris but the Metro system was operating as normal. The Nanterre-Préfecture train station was closed. In Lille, bus and tramway services were more or less running normally on Friday, with some diversions in place. In the southern city of Marseille, public transport was due to stop services at 7 p.m. There was no disruption to the Eurostar service connecting London, Lille and Paris as a result of the protests. French intercity trains are also not affected. Further afield, the US State Department issued a security alert on June 29 covering France. It suggested monitoring media outlets France24, RFI and The Local for updates. Meanwhile, Britain issued a travel advisory urging tourists to “monitor the media” and “avoid areas where riots are taking place.” German authorities also advised its citizens to “find out about the current situation where you are staying at and avoid large-scale places of violent riots.” CNN’s Dalal Mawad, Niamh Kennedy and Lindsay Isaac contributed reporting. RELATED The town involved is reported to be africans dominant. Impoverished. This incidence might be a breaking point for the country a) if the majority old fashion whites feel uncomfortable to have too many considered foreigners or jobless africans around towns or outskirt of towns. - To keep or not to keep this guideline of EU openness to receive refugees freely, what would france do to them, or for them, might be the next talking point. b) to look into not many chances for africans in the traditional country. This kind of protest for change would probably be lasting... especially after few years of damaging covid lock down. Recalling my comment on the issue of refugees in an online course organized by UN. 1. Why do we allow the existence of refugees? a) can we solve problem at source? b) if not, this kind of exodus with scale would likely create social issues to host countries due to i) restriction onto them i.e. no education, no id, no possibility to work perceiving it is a transiting position before they depart to locations assigned by UN or sent back to original country. ii) in Malaysia, refugees are receiving USD 30 per day or USD 10 per meal aid, 3 meals a day. That is ~ rm 150, a much higher amount than 70% of locals working 12 hours or more a day. Paid by the government. - USD 2 millions allocated to two indians teaching 2 or 4 refugee kids basic abc. - aid given to those below poverty line e.g. retirees with low or no epf savings, families or individuals of low incomes, is Rm 50 per month. Family might have more. Some individual chinese not granted due to racial discrimination despite qualified. iii) social integration would be a problem even if they are given id cards. 2. Shall incomers or migrants are needed, let it be done through invitation. By invitation, you are certain those personnel you invite are people you want. Be it skill, knowledge, influential personality etc. They would have job security for one. They would have basic circle of acceptance for two. They are the least likely to create issues for the host. Or, do we desire global world of no boundary? Edited July 2, 2023 by specinho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 July 8, 2023 Allowing unlimited random immigration is disastrous for the existing taxpayers who have to bear the full burden of supporting the individuals, families, criminals, medical care, unemployed, welfare, housing ad-infinitum. It is how the super rich get even richer. Those who do work fill the low paid jobs in motels, hotels, and all other low paid jobs. This eliminates jobs for our local youth who need to work their way through college or even make a basic living. Our future would be far brighter by allowing only desirable immigrants. Violent immigrants should be deported after criminal sentencing. IMHO those admitted by Biden are all illegal immigrants. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 706 July 8, 2023 https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/france-loses-a-religious-building-every-two-weeks/ France loses a religious building every two weeks ByGuest Contributor May 5, 2021 Share Most read St John brings Chosen actor back to faith June 29, 2023 George Weigel: A laborious, and vacuous, instrument July 2, 2023 Spirits soar as Sydney pilgrims prepare for World Youth Day July 4, 2023 From Highway to Hell to Stairway to Heaven, Fr Oche rocks out in Bourke July 6, 2023 The damaged roof of Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris is pictured in April 2019. PHOTO: CNS/Christophe Petit Tesson, pool Reuters Arson, demolition are among reasons for lost churches One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks. That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris. He is raising the alarm in the French media about the gradual disappearance of religious edifices in a country known as the “eldest daughter of the Church” because the Frankish King Clovis I embraced Catholicism in 496. “These buildings have not been maintained for over a century…It is enough to make you cry” -Edouard de Lamaze - Advertisement - Lamaze’s appeal for increased awareness came after a fire destroyed the 16th-century Church of Saint-Pierre in Romilly-la-Puthenaye, Normandy, northern France. The fire, deemed accidental, took place on April 15, exactly two years after the blaze that devastated Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris. The unforgettable image of the burning cathedral, which circled the planet in 2019, pointed to a deeper issue within French society: serious shortcomings in the preservation system of religious monuments, coupled with increasing hostility toward religion. Lamaze told Catholic News Agency in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks, by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse, two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson. Notre Dame Cathedral is seen at night in Paris in 2016. A major blaze engulfed the iconic cathedral on 15 April 2019 sending pillars of flame and billowing smoke over the centre of the French capital. PHOTO: CNS/Charles Platiau, Reuters While these statistics include buildings belonging to all religious groups, most of them concern Catholic monuments, which still represent a large majority in France, where there are roughly 45,000 Catholic places of worship. “Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.” Lamaze believes that on average more than two Christian monuments are targeted every day. Two-thirds of these incidents concern theft, while the remaining third involve desecration. According to the most recent figures from France’s central criminal intelligence unit, 877 attacks on Catholic places of worship were recorded across the country in 2018 alone. “These figures have increased fivefold in only 10 years,” Lamaze said, noting that 129 churches were vandalised in 2008. Thousands more historic Catholic buildings at risk “At the beginning of the 1970s, writer and journalist Michel de Saint Pierre published a book entitled églises en ruine, Eglise en péril [“Churches in ruin, endangered Church”], in which he already sounded the alarm. But the situation has heightened tenfold, or even hundredfold, since then.” Currently, 5,000 Catholic buildings are potentially in danger of disappearing. Apart from the growing hostility to which they are subject, these religious sites are also suffering from deep negligence on the part of public authorities. This state of affairs is partly explained by the fact that, by virtue of the 1905 law on the Separation of the Churches and the State, municipalities became the owners of France’s religious buildings. In many cases, they have been unable to meet the costs of maintaining the sites. “These buildings have not been maintained for over a century, and they have never been subject to restoration work or protection measures against theft or fire,” Lamaze said. He explained that only 15,000 Catholic sites are officially protected as historical monuments, while the other 30,000 buildings are practically left to decay. Lamaze argues that another significant and emblematic example of the mismanagement of this heritage is Saint-Ouen Abbey, a jewel of Gothic architecture belonging to the city of Rouen in Normandy. “This abbey church is endowed with a ‘forêt’ [the church’s distinctive style of roofing] that is even bigger than that of Notre-Dame. It is a pure marvel and yet there is no alarm system of any kind.” “the situation is extremely serious and, alas, I don’t see any real awareness growing” “It is another candidate for destruction. It is enough to make you cry!” He continued: “Fires are also sharply increasing because buildings are more and more dilapidated, and this negligence also attracts a lot of thefts of paintings, statues, or gold chalices…” Although French cathedrals benefit from a special status and are owned by the state, they have not been spared in the wave of fires that have hit Catholic sites in recent years. The blaze at Notre-Dame de Paris in 2019 was preceded by a fire at the Cathedral Saint-Alain of Lavaur in Tarn, southern France, and followed by fires at the cathedrals of Rennes and Nantes in 2020. “The current minister of culture is seeking to establish a protection charter, but the situation is extremely serious and, alas, I don’t see any real awareness growing, nor any sense of responsibility in the face of this crucial challenge for our national heritage,” Lamaze said. This story was originally published at Catholic News Agency. 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Ron Wagner + 706 July 8, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 12:39 AM, Rob Plant said: So Trump probably the most polarizing US politician in US history may face jail time if found guilty of taking classified material from the Whitehouse. My admittedly very little understanding of US politics and law, thinks that if he is found guilty and serves jail time he can not only still stand as the Republican nominee for the presidency whilst in jail, but can also if he were to win, actually still be inaugurated as the next president of the USA as a jailbird! Is this true or have I misunderstood? If it is true then thats crazy. Leaving an elected President in jail on such ridiculous charges is what is actually crazy. It is all just lawfares' excuse for trying to erase Trump for the coming election. That is playing with fire. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 9, 2023 On 6/9/2023 at 4:04 PM, Boat said: are those flip flops approved for prison wear? Rudy is about to lose his law license????? ....did you get immunity for his testimony????...... I bet you he makes good money peddling flip flops.....he has lots of associates who are looking for some for their upcoming gigs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 875 GE July 9, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Our future would be far brighter by allowing only desirable immigrants. IMHO those admitted by Biden are all illegal immigrants. You show little respect to the POTUS. Traitor. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Edited July 9, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 875 GE July 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: Leaving an elected President in jail on such ridiculous charges is what is actually crazy. It is all just lawfares' excuse for trying to erase Trump for the coming election. That is playing with fire. I'm happy that you expect him to go to jail. The charges are very real; he has been caught on tape talking about how he knew the documents he was sharing were classified. You can run for POTUS from jail; he can't be erased from the election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 July 9, 2023 9 hours ago, TailingsPond said: I'm happy that you expect him to go to jail. The charges are very real; he has been caught on tape talking about how he knew the documents he was sharing were classified. You can run for POTUS from jail; he can't be erased from the election. Your a shrill of misinformation. Caught on tape...Perhaps this in the same vein as impeaching a sitting US President for exposing Biden's world wide influence peddling? None of this will end well...onshore and offshore alike. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 875 GE July 9, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Your a shrill of misinformation. Caught on tape...Perhaps this in the same vein as impeaching a sitting US President for exposing Biden's world wide influence peddling? None of this will end well...onshore and offshore alike. It is already ending well. The traitors are being charged and imprisoned. https://youtu.be/inVJF0Dr8mo?t=97 "This is highly confidential." "See as President I could have declassified it. Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret." FYI it is "you're" not "your." You are too stupid to understand your own posts. Edited July 9, 2023 by TailingsPond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 18, 2023 (edited) On 7/9/2023 at 9:03 AM, Eyes Wide Open said: Your a shrill of misinformation. Caught on tape...Perhaps this in the same vein as impeaching a sitting US President for exposing Biden's world wide influence peddling? None of this will end well...onshore and offshore alike. The Ex US Presidents cult members have been indicted in Michigan......80 years each in prison for trying to steal an election....... None of this will end well??? not for Trump and his slow cult members who tried to steal an election...no ability for US pardons....how fast do you think they will point a finger at the EX-US president.......... Let the indictments roll on...... Jack Smith is on a roll today........he sent a love letter to your Dear Leader.... Smith should put a book of letters together....ha ha ha will the orange coward show up in front of a grand jury??????? Enjoy the indictments.....and Enjoy the Green Agenda.........The world is in a better place with both Edited July 19, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 July 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, notsonice said: The Ex US Presidents cult members have been indicted in Michigan......80 years each in prison for trying to steal an election....... None of this will end well??? not for Trump and his slow cult members who tried to steal an election...no ability for US pardons....how fast do you think they will point a finger at the EX-US president.......... Let the indictments roll on...... Jack Smith is on a roll today........he sent a love letter to your Dear Leader....will the coward show up in front of a grand jury??????? Enjoy the indictments.....and Enjoy the Green Agenda.........The world is in a better place with both I told you the Drama would be spectacular, sit back and enjoy the landscape has changed once again. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manchin-potential-third-party-2024-presidential-run-if-i-get-race-im-going-win Manchin on potential third-party 2024 presidential run: 'If I get in the race, I’m going to win' Manchin's trip to the crucial early presidential nominating state of New Hampshire to headline a No Labels event sparks more 2024 speculation IRS whistleblower testimony reveals sweeping misconduct in the Hunter Biden investigation June 23, 2023, 5:50 am https://www.cbsnews.com/video/irs-whistleblower-testimony-reveals-sweeping-misconduct-in-the-hunter-biden-investigation/ Edited July 19, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 19, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I told you the Drama would be spectacular, sit back and enjoy the landscape has changed once again. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manchin-potential-third-party-2024-presidential-run-if-i-get-race-im-going-win Manchin on potential third-party 2024 presidential run: 'If I get in the race, I’m going to win' Manchin's trip to the crucial early presidential nominating state of New Hampshire to headline a No Labels event sparks more 2024 speculation IRS whistleblower testimony reveals sweeping misconduct in the Hunter Biden investigation June 23, 2023, 5:50 am https://www.cbsnews.com/video/irs-whistleblower-testimony-reveals-sweeping-misconduct-in-the-hunter-biden-investigation/ hunter oh hunter....... 5 years of your Hunter witch hunt and all you got was tax law violations........ we waited as you repetitively babble Hunter Hunter Hunter it is going to happen. reality for you Hunter is not under the microscope....Your failed leader is Indictments are rolling on and it is your pals getting locked up...... Are their enough lawyers out their willing to put their licenses on the lines for Trump?????? his cult is not doing so well.... Michigan is the tip of the Coup Iceberg Enjoy the trials ......you won't see a Hunter trial,,,,,, misdemeanor tax crimes....oh Hunter oh Hunter such a bad boy???? compared to Insurrection???? Enjoy the trials......Trump will not fair so well ....Felonies mean prison time The only question is how many of Team Trump will be indicted with him this time..... my bet is over 5 people..... Green Bay Sweep.......oh if only Trump could hold onto the ball the fumbling idiot....... Edited July 19, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,554 July 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, notsonice said: Are their enough lawyers out their willing to put their licenses on the lines for Trump?????? After tomorrow..it begins. CRY HAVOC LET LOOSE THE DOG'S OF WAR LMAO a bit dramatic not? ....Perhaps then again perhaps not. GOP to put IRS Hunter Biden whistleblowers at center stage BY EMILY BROOKS AND REBECCA BEITSCH - 07/18/23 6:10 PM ET The hearing will serve in part as a way for Republicans to give former President Trump political cover as he faces a likely third indictment over Jan. 6, while also fueling a potential impeachment inquiry against Attorney General Merrick Garland. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4104379-gop-to-put-irs-hunter-biden-whistleblowers-at-center-stage/ Edited July 19, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,255 DM July 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: After tomorrow..it begins. CRY HAVOC LET LOOSE THE DOG'S OF WAR LMAO a bit dramatic not? ....Perhaps perhaps not. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4104379-gop-to-put-irs-hunter-biden-whistleblowers-at-center-stage/ manana manana.... house GOP has gone nowhere... they are the real do nothing congress led by the Space Laser Nutjob Queen Real world Trump indictments are center stage along with the fake elector indictments Enjoy the trials...if you have some time to break away from your fake news station...ha ha ha PS what do you think of the Michigan 16? all facing hard time.......idiots Edited July 19, 2023 by notsonice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,323 RG July 19, 2023 On 7/8/2023 at 4:26 PM, Ron Wagner said: Allowing unlimited random immigration is disastrous for the existing taxpayers who have to bear the full burden of supporting the individuals, families, criminals, medical care, unemployed, welfare, housing ad-infinitum. It is how the super rich get even richer. Those who do work fill the low paid jobs in motels, hotels, and all other low paid jobs. This eliminates jobs for our local youth who need to work their way through college or even make a basic living. Our future would be far brighter by allowing only desirable immigrants. Violent immigrants should be deported after criminal sentencing. IMHO those admitted by Biden are all illegal immigrants. Show me the data. The last I looked as many illegals are deported as are coming in. The illegal population peaked during the George Bush administration. Legal immigration is another matter. The US adds hundreds of thousands to over million for decades. The Illegal population has been less than 12 million total since GW. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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