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8 hours ago, notsonice said:

They create false emergencies to take power?

The millions of global covid deaths spanning numerous nations was clearly the work of the democrats in the USA. :)  A false emergency that unfortunately happened during Trump's term...

 

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On 4/23/2024 at 7:15 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Why revitalization of US infrastructure, loosening the chains off disposable income, lowering transportation bills across the country,lowering heating bills. The effects will stabilize the world...Russia and Iran will be nuturterd..

They call that MAGA I do believe.

I can see that adding additional petroleum supplies on the world market "should" impact "price" of those commodities, unless processing/transport costs are impediments, impacting a more local market.  It seems natural gas might be somewhat of a "fit" for that situation.  For overseas transport, It ain't very dense until someone liquefies it, adding additional costs and energy consumption to the delivered product.

However, that world market is complicated by the absolute fact of a concerted effort by OPEC (and others) to exercise control over the market to "stabilize" price at a level closer to that desired by those actors.  Petroleum does not strike me as a free market.  With these actors, It seems like a type of price fixing.  YMMV.

Thus, large and CONCERTED market players work to keep price under their control, while the immediate impact of "drill, baby, drill", is that corner of the industry obtains an immediate financial benefit (more product to sell into a controlled market), with no regard to ANY externalities.   You can chose whatever, or even if, externalities apply. 

 

I must ask, what is the thing of top value to you?

If you respond with anything other than your personal health, you probably should reflect on a bigger picture.

And those externalities, even if you ignore or refute them,  have a measurable and deleterious affect on the health of us all.

...and add that energy is SOOOOOOO addicting!  The withdrawal symptoms are something to behold.

I call that HUMAN, not MAGA.

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A new term will be inserted into our discourse....This will be quite interesting...Or maybe not...Go Figure!

remand

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To remand something is to send it back. Remand implies a return. The usual contexts in which this word are encountered are reversal of an appellate decision, and the custody of a prisoner.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/remand#:~:text=To remand something is to,the custody of a prisoner.

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business as usual..Payoffs and corruption in the oil Business 

 

Pay to Play just deliver the suitcases full of cash .............and you get what you want

Trump Seeks $1 Billion From Big Oil as He Vows to Reverse Biden Climate Rules

Crude oil prices today - Oilprice.com
 

By Charles Kennedy - May 09, 2024, 9:10 AM CDT

  • Trump seeks $1 billion campaign funds from oil executives, pledging to overturn Biden's environmental policies.
  • At a Mar-a-Lago meeting in April, Trump promised to scrap energy and climate policies opposed by the industry.
  • Politico has recently reported that the oil industry has drafted executive orders for a potential Trump re-election.

Donald Trump has asked executives of some of the largest U.S. oil producers to raise $1 billion for his campaign to return to the White House and promised to scrap many of the Biden Administration’s environmental policies, the Washington Post reported exclusively on Thursday, quoting sources familiar with a meeting.  

Trump, who was a very pro-oil president during his tenure at the White House, met with the top industry executives at his Mar-a-Lago Club in April to hear the grievances of the American oil industry, which has constantly criticized the energy policies of President Joe Biden, focused on reducing emissions and promoting clean energy sources.

Trump’s response to the executives, “You all are wealthy enough, he said, that you should raise $1 billion to return me to the White House,” the Washington Post quoted the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private conversation.

During the dinner at Mar-a-Lago, Trump pledged, if elected, to immediately reverse many of President Biden’s energy and climate policies, including the electric vehicle (EV) mandates, wind energy initiatives, and other regulations that the U.S. oil and gas industry opposes.

The sector has actually opposed nearly all of the Biden Administration’s energy and climate policies.

Separately, Politico reported earlier this week that oil industry executives and lawyers are drawing up executive orders to be presented to Donald Trump if he wins another term in the White House.

According to the report, which cites some of those involved but without mentioning names, the industry is worried that “the Trump campaign will be able to focus on energy issues as Election Day draws closer” and that Trump himself may be too distracted to focus on energy.

The executive orders being drafted focus on lowering drilling costs, supporting more natural gas exports, and increasing the number of offshore leases on offer.

By Charles Kennedy for Oilprice.com

 
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54 minutes ago, notsonice said:
  • Trump seeks $1 billion campaign funds from oil executives, pledging to overturn Biden's environmental policies.

I wonder if he cares more about the health and welfare of the people or about his own ambitions?

Hmm...

;)

 

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2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

I wonder if he cares more about the health and welfare of the people or about his own ambitions?

Hmm...

;)

The disparity of perceived or real threats to human health, and capitalism's ardent reach for higher levels of profitability, is being questioned with greater vigor every day.

It is difficult to establish a connection between the potential human health damage due to continued use of Fossil Fuels.  Particularly when there are demonstrable human health benefits that result from past use of FF.

It is even more difficult to pin down FF use (and subsequent emissions) as direct cause of a series of severe weather events.  The climate must show considerable change (whatever measure that might be) that can be directly shown as caused by FF use.  I don't believe that the climate has altered significantly to cause lawmakers to enact legislation that would pin down any property damage, or human lives lost, sufficiently to withstand a challenge.

That said, the Vermont situation will be "interesting".

Somewhat like the Tobacco industry's attempt to quash health impacts of Tobacco use.

I note that tobacco products are still widely sold.

Also, Pittsburgh's (and other rust belt locales) air quality has improved considerably with the retirement of many local steel making and coal-burning facilities.

I doubt that residents of Pittsburgh will EVER allow such a mess to re-establish itself.

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5 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

I wonder if he cares more about the health and welfare of the people or about his own ambitions?

Hmm...

;)

 

the Saudis handing  $2 billion of Oil money over to  a relative that has no investment experience speaks volumes.....

The Family benefits and All Americans are sold out

 

the price of influence is now at a minimum of $1 billion........just tell those who need favors upfront if they want policy change ...write it up and do not forget to bring the cash

The interests of the Saudis are no different than US Big Oil.........

Your Health and Welfare.........well it never really matters when one Mans greed is in charge

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Did we lose Eyes wide shut?  Haha.

Mr any day now...

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7 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Did we lose Eyes wide shut?  Haha.

Mr any day now...

I think he's trying to find some new memes.

Then again he might actually have opened his eyes and realise he has been writing crap about every thread on this site.

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15 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Did we lose Eyes wide shut?  Haha.

Mr any day now...

But, but....HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP!!

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On 5/9/2024 at 4:24 PM, notsonice said:

the Saudis handing  $2 billion of Oil money over to  a relative that has no investment experience speaks volumes.....

The Family benefits and All Americans are sold out

 

the price of influence is now at a minimum of $1 billion........just tell those who need favors upfront if they want policy change ...write it up and do not forget to bring the cash

The interests of the Saudis are no different than US Big Oil.........

Your Health and Welfare.........well it never really matters when one Mans greed is in charge

latest poll is do not screw with the Green Agenda and Politicians have no business selling out the US to   oil companies AKA 1 Billion dollar donations for executive orders on the behalf of Big Oil as was promoted recently by a wanna be politician 

Greed is not a politicians friend unless you are a Russian oligarch or a Saudi Prince

 

take the time to read the whole article....especially the Luddites who post on this board

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4676452-trump-oil-companies-poll/

 ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT

 

Trump pitch to oil companies turns off two-thirds of likely voters, poll finds

BY SAUL ELBEIN - 05/21/24 9:04 AM ET

 

the highlights

 

Broad majorities of voters aren’t happy with Trump’s apparent offer of a quid pro quo to oil companies, a poll from an advocacy group has found.

Almost 6 in 10 likely voters surveyed — 58 percent — said they were “concerned” about a second Trump term after hearing about the former president’s reported offer to undo broad swaths of President Biden’s climate policies, according to polling by Data for Progress and Climate Power.

A source later confirmed to The Hill that Trump asked oil industry executives for $1 billion in campaign cash.

 

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16 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

 

 

 

the guys recent call for $1 billion dollars in campaign contributions from from  Big Oil says it all  and at the same time he uses the campaign contributions for all of his legal woes.....Pay to Play on a grand scale...

and the price of crude?? down again  on the news.......guess when the guy you trust to get laws changed is found guilty you probably will not get much back on your invested campaign contributions......and you will not see the Green Agenda getting the axe in the US

latest poll is do not screw with the Green Agenda and Politicians have no business selling out the US to   oil companies AKA 1 Billion dollar donations for executive orders on the behalf of Big Oil as was promoted recently by a wanna be politician 

Greed is not a politicians friend unless you are a Russian oligarch or a Saudi Prince

 

take the time to read the whole article....especially the Luddites who post on this board

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4676452-trump-oil-companies-poll/

 ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT

 

Trump pitch to oil companies turns off two-thirds of likely voters, poll finds

BY SAUL ELBEIN - 05/21/24 9:04 AM ET

 

the highlights

 

Broad majorities of voters aren’t happy with Trump’s apparent offer of a quid pro quo to oil companies, a poll from an advocacy group has found.

Almost 6 in 10 likely voters surveyed — 58 percent — said they were “concerned” about a second Trump term after hearing about the former president’s reported offer to undo broad swaths of President Biden’s climate policies, according to polling by Data for Progress and Climate Power.

A source later confirmed to The Hill that Trump asked oil industry executives for $1 billion in campaign cash.

 

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On 4/24/2024 at 11:14 AM, turbguy said:

I can see that adding additional petroleum supplies on the world market "should" impact "price" of those commodities, unless processing/transport costs are impediments, impacting a more local market.  It seems natural gas might be somewhat of a "fit" for that situation.  For overseas transport, It ain't very dense until someone liquefies it, adding additional costs and energy consumption to the delivered product.

However, that world market is complicated by the absolute fact of a concerted effort by OPEC (and others) to exercise control over the market to "stabilize" price at a level closer to that desired by those actors.  Petroleum does not strike me as a free market.  With these actors, It seems like a type of price fixing.  YMMV.

Thus, large and CONCERTED market players work to keep price under their control, while the immediate impact of "drill, baby, drill", is that corner of the industry obtains an immediate financial benefit (more product to sell into a controlled market), with no regard to ANY externalities.   You can chose whatever, or even if, externalities apply. 

 

I must ask, what is the thing of top value to you?

If you respond with anything other than your personal health, you probably should reflect on a bigger picture.

And those externalities, even if you ignore or refute them,  have a measurable and deleterious affect on the health of us all.

...and add that energy is SOOOOOOO addicting!  The withdrawal symptoms are something to behold.

I call that HUMAN, not MAGA.

Drill Baby Drill! Fuel prices add to every product that is sold and delivered. People tend to think about their gasoline bills, which is only a small percentage of the fuel needed to make America run!

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1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said:

Drill Baby Drill! Fuel prices add to every product that is sold and delivered. People tend to think about their gasoline bills, which is only a small percentage of the fuel needed to make America run!

Still promoting a felon.

Rule of law and all that. 

 

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10 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Nigel Farage is back to lead Britain back to a common sense government. He is the British equivalent of Donald Trump. Proof that the political chasm is equally as wide in Britain as in America. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-general-election-reform-uk-b2555854.html

Haha Ron you couldnt be more wrong!

Nigel Farage has never even been an MP before!

He leads a party that at best is a very very distant third equal in the opinion polls, just how is he getting elected?

The below are from 20 hours ago.

The figures are Labour 42%, Conservative 28%, Liberal Democrats 9%, Reform 9%, Green 4%, SNP 3%, Plaid Cymru 1% and other parties 4%.

The "chasm" as you say is nothing like the USA! The conservatives have won the last 4 elections and they most certainly wont win the next one which tells you that the UK people arent entrenched in 1 political party as most Americans appear to be.

Farage is just a disruptor as he was during Brexit, he will win a few votes sure, but he absolutely wont be the UK's next prime minister. He is not like Trump in many ways, namely he has never led his country (and never will) and as far as I know has never broken any laws.

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As I was driving to town one day, I noticed a sign on the side of the road.

It said “Republican puppies for sale”. At the time I thought nothing of it.

But, a couple weeks later, I was driving by and it said “Democrat puppies for sale” so I stopped and spoke to the boy that had the puppies.

I asked him why the sign said Republican puppies two weeks ago, but Democrat puppies now.

His answer was priceless:

“Well, sir, they have their eyes open now.”

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On 6/6/2024 at 3:49 AM, Rob Plant said:

Haha Ron you couldnt be more wrong!

Nigel Farage has never even been an MP before!

He leads a party that at best is a very very distant third equal in the opinion polls, just how is he getting elected?

The below are from 20 hours ago.

The figures are Labour 42%, Conservative 28%, Liberal Democrats 9%, Reform 9%, Green 4%, SNP 3%, Plaid Cymru 1% and other parties 4%.

The "chasm" as you say is nothing like the USA! The conservatives have won the last 4 elections and they most certainly wont win the next one which tells you that the UK people arent entrenched in 1 political party as most Americans appear to be.

Farage is just a disruptor as he was during Brexit, he will win a few votes sure, but he absolutely wont be the UK's next prime minister. He is not like Trump in many ways, namely he has never led his country (and never will) and as far as I know has never broken any laws.

Well he is the best prospective Prime Minister and would do the most good in England. Your conservative party is about as conservative as our left wing Democrat party. English voters need to wake up. 

How do you like how your health system is doing? 

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"I don't care about you. I just want your vote. I don't care."

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12 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Well he is the best prospective Prime Minister and would do the most good in England. Your conservative party is about as conservative as our left wing Democrat party. English voters need to wake up. 

How do you like how your health system is doing? 

At least we have a FREE health system for one and all.

That is something to be very proud of.

Farage would be a disaster, no clue economically whatsoever, his party are full of failed politicians who wouldnt know what to do if elected (which they never will be fortunately).

You like him purely because he likes Trump, you actually know nothing about him or the party he represents.

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More fraud, more fail. 

"Truth Social's parent company CEO Devin Nunes said in a press release that the latest filing amended an April registration statement.

The Arizona-based firm Semple, Marchal & Cooper LLP delivered Monday's filing about a month after the previous auditor BF Borders was accused of submitting 1,500 fraudulent filings to the SEC, according to a commission press release.

BF Borgers agreed to pay a $12 million civil penalty and owner Benjamin Borgers agreed to pay a $2 million civil penalty to settle the charges, according to the SEC."

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On 6/10/2024 at 4:02 AM, Rob Plant said:

At least we have a FREE health system for one and all.

That is something to be very proud of.

Farage would be a disaster, no clue economically whatsoever, his party are full of failed politicians who wouldnt know what to do if elected (which they never will be fortunately).

You like him purely because he likes Trump, you actually know nothing about him or the party he represents.

Once again you put words in my mouth rather than make an argument for yourself. It has nothing to do with Trump personally. I have been a conservative since Barry Goldwater ran for president in the sixties. Conservatives that are fiery make good candidates. The kind that socialists hate. Farage is the politician that makes the most sense. 

The English healthcare system is is lacking in funding. American healthcare is the best in the world. This is where people come for the best care. They rarely have to wait very long to see specialists. The cost is relatively high but the care is available. I am a middle income retired person and pay $700 a month for medicare supplements and medicines. The price is so high because those, like myself, who have money actually are supporting those who pay little or nothing for our healthcare. Millions of them just came across our border illegally. 

https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/nine-major-challenges-facing-health-and-care-in-england

https://medicaltourism.review/countries/united-states#:~:text=They come from all corners,aged woman from the Caribbean.

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6 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Once again you put words in my mouth rather than make an argument for yourself. It has nothing to do with Trump personally. I have been a conservative since Barry Goldwater ran for president in the sixties. Conservatives that are fiery make good candidates. The kind that socialists hate. Farage is the politician that makes the most sense. 

The English healthcare system is is lacking in funding. American healthcare is the best in the world. This is where people come for the best care. They rarely have to wait very long to see specialists. The cost is relatively high but the care is available. I am a middle income retired person and pay $700 a month for medicare supplements and medicines. The price is so high because those, like myself, who have money actually are supporting those who pay little or nothing for our healthcare. Millions of them just came across our border illegally. 

https://www.health.org.uk/publications/long-reads/nine-major-challenges-facing-health-and-care-in-england

https://medicaltourism.review/countries/united-states#:~:text=They come from all corners,aged woman from the Caribbean.

Ron the reason our national health service is in a bad way is lack of funding youre correct.

The reason for this is the huge amount of both illegal and legal immigration that has happened for decades. These people would rather risk dying crossing the Channel to get to the UK from France than remain on the continent. Why you ask? Well that would be the free healthcare for all of their family that none of them have paid a penny into.

For those people who have paid huge amounts over their working lifetime into the NHS this is pretty galling. The concept is a truly great one but it needs radical overhaul to be sustainable.

When the UK was in the EU and I would often travel for business, if you were ill you had to pay for treatment BEFORE anyone would see you, in the UK you are treated first and the majority of the time no payment is ever made by a foreign national.

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10 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

 

American healthcare is the best in the world.

Not even close to the best unless you are very rich.  You have multiple tiers from no care whatsoever, to hospitals that are like a luxury hotel. 

What the US has is best called "illness care" as preventative medicine (aka healthcare) is lacking for most people.

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2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Not even close to the best unless you are very rich.  You have multiple tiers from no care whatsoever, to hospitals that are like a luxury hotel. 

What the US has is best called "illness care" as preventative medicine (aka healthcare) is lacking for most people.

And when you look at particular subareas of healthcare, the US is abysmal. For example, from the 2020 WHO report, the US ranks 55th in maternal mortality in the world, which is the worst of any developed nation.

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