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5 hours ago, wrs said:

Now there is also the testimony of the current prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko who also testified in that meeting.  His information was fairly startling and suggests massive corruption involving the US embassy staff as well as Joe Biden himself.  Mr Lutsenko testified that ambassador Yovanovitch impeded his ability to investigate these matters and had a do not prosecute list.  He also testified that he started to look at the same case Shokin was unwilling to close and that the money trail does lead to Hunter Biden.  

Contrived notes do not constitute testimony.

5 hours ago, wrs said:

Mr. Lutsenko also gave solid testimony as to how Paul Manafort was smeared by the Ukranians during the 2016 election which caused him to have to step down as Trump's campaign manager.  

And the DOJ Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election is just another fabrication in your mind?

5 hours ago, wrs said:

The republicans did a good job of exposing the truth, that there was no quid pro quo, the aid was released on time and the Ukranians were never aware that there was any linkage between the aid and investigations.

And they did this by denying access to papers necessary to prove their case, withholding first-hand witnesses, while the President indulged in vilifying those who testified during the ongoing proceedings.

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On 11/22/2019 at 7:50 PM, remake it said:

Agreed... despite all the testimony Trump today reprises the so many times quashed rumor that the Ukraine meddled in 2016 US elections, and to help his case refuses the release of essential documents and withholds first-hand witnesses, such is his desire for a fair and open process.

The executive branch is coequal with the Congress, and Supreme Court. Nancy Pelosi is not even playing fair with Republican House members. 

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3 hours ago, ronwagn said:

The executive branch is coequal with the Congress, and Supreme Court. Nancy Pelosi is not even playing fair with Republican House members. 

Congress can impeach the President and appoint judges, and "Republican House members" are constituents of Congress, so what are you getting at?

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19 hours ago, remake it said:

Contrived notes do not constitute testimony.

And the DOJ Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election is just another fabrication in your mind?

And they did this by denying access to papers necessary to prove their case, withholding first-hand witnesses, while the President indulged in vilifying those who testified during the ongoing proceedings.

LOL!  Contrived notes?  Really, so anything that contradicts the democrat rumormill is contrived?  The investigation into the Russian interference isn't the issue here, it's the studious ignoring of the Ukranian interference that is at issue. As to the president not providing access to papers and people, that's not a credible argument because as you noted, 12 witnesses have testified including Mark Sandy from OMB who testified that the aid was temporarilly held due to concerns about other nations not contributing to Ukranian aid.  It was then released prior to the whistleblower report ever being made public.  The facts are on Trump's side, not the crazy impeachers.

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3 hours ago, wrs said:

LOL!  Contrived notes?  Really, so anything that contradicts the democrat rumormill is contrived?  The investigation into the Russian interference isn't the issue here, it's the studious ignoring of the Ukranian interference that is at issue. As to the president not providing access to papers and people, that's not a credible argument because as you noted, 12 witnesses have testified including Mark Sandy from OMB who testified that the aid was temporarilly held due to concerns about other nations not contributing to Ukranian aid.  It was then released prior to the whistleblower report ever being made public.  The facts are on Trump's side, not the crazy impeachers.

US intelligence agencies pour scorn on your ideas as they are absolutely unsupported unless, like you, people choose to believe corrupt liars, while your remaining ideas about facts of the case are plain and simple falsehoods.

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4 hours ago, remake it said:

US intelligence agencies pour scorn on your ideas as they are absolutely unsupported unless, like you, people choose to believe corrupt liars, while your remaining ideas about facts of the case are plain and simple falsehoods.

No, your article even says they had no idea why the aid was on hold prior to receiving the email on Sep 9 asking about the contributions from other countries.  So no one knew why the aid was withheld until the whitehouse said why, the rest is all speculation.  The lies are the spin the media is applying to facts that don't support the democrat narrative.

Furthermore, the entire $400m was not withheld becuase $150m had already been disbursed.  You can read about it here.  The CNN article is busy trying to spin something out of nothing but the aid was released before he Sep 30 deadline, there was nothing wrong about delaying the aid.

 

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4 minutes ago, wrs said:

  So no one knew why the aid was withheld until the whitehouse said why, the rest is all speculation. 

You read nonsense and wonder why a few here are curious about the irrational beliefs of posters like you, and on top of that are happy to excuse the denial of evidence from the US people from the leader of the so called "free world."

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22 hours ago, remake it said:

Congress can impeach the President and appoint judges, and "Republican House members" are constituents of Congress, so what are you getting at?

If Democrats controlled the Senate they could. Not enough RINOS to help out their minority as they did with Nixon. There is no just cause to impeach either. 

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

 There is no just cause to impeach either. 

Abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering - all proven unless you live in an alternative universe.

 

2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

If Democrats controlled the Senate they could.

Nope, as there is a specific number to be reached by the Senate and that means that control per se may not be adequate. 

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On 11/29/2019 at 5:45 PM, remake it said:

You read nonsense and wonder why a few here are curious about the irrational beliefs of posters like you, and on top of that are happy to excuse the denial of evidence from the US people from the leader of the so called "free world."

I read the facts, your posts are full of nonsense and the irrational one here is you.  There was nothing wrong with anything Trump did in his interactions with Ukraine, it was all within his purview and not illegal.  Maybe some bureaucrats are butthurt but so what?  Get over it.

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7 hours ago, wrs said:

There was nothing wrong with anything Trump did in his interactions with Ukraine, it was all within his purview and not illegal. 

If that were true there would be no case for impeachment, and all those appearing as "fact witnesses" to recent House Judiciary Committee hearings would be up on perjury charges, but here we are!

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On 12/1/2019 at 4:34 PM, remake it said:

If that were true there would be no case for impeachment, and all those appearing as "fact witnesses" to recent House Judiciary Committee hearings would be up on perjury charges, but here we are!

There is no case for impeachment

You can not charge someone with perjury because their feelings were hurt or they "presumed" something

Just because you call them "fact witnesses . .  .  does not make them facts.  Name one fact they stated. Feelings, assumptions and hearsay doesn't count.

Dems are masters of disinformation and plausible deniability. I had to read that monster Hitler's Mein Kampf . . . Read the section on propaganda . . . . . repeat false narratives over and over again until it becomes the truth. Sound like the Dem's playbook. The Media gets their talking  point daily and in mass repeat the same line over and over all day.  

"Propaganda must confine itself to very few points, and repeat them endlessly. "

They might get General Vidman on leaking the phone call to make whistle blower Ciaramella

This manufactured narrative by the Democrat Party, fake media and the Washington Establishment is a travesty. 

Your U.S. justice system is dead.

Civility in U.S. government is dead.

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16 hours ago, remake it said:

If that were true there would be no case for impeachment, and all those appearing as "fact witnesses" to recent House Judiciary Committee hearings would be up on perjury charges, but here we are!

Your first statement is true but not your second.  There is no case for impeachment but you can't be charged for perjury if you are only testifying to hearsay..........

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20 hours ago, remake it said:

If that were true there would be no case for impeachment, and all those appearing as "fact witnesses" to recent House Judiciary Committee hearings would be up on perjury charges, but here we are!

Typing   fact witnesses   didn't and won't sway anyone here.  11 of your 12   fact witnesses   do not have 1st hand knowledge of the Ukrainian call.  We understand what hearsay means.  But I was pleased to see your efforts increased when you put   fact witnesses   in double quotes.  I have to say typing "fact witnesses" is devastating and should lead to a credible impeachment process.  LOL.   Thank you for not using parenthesis, brackets or umlauts.  That would be a case closed impeachment argument for sure.        

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On 11/27/2019 at 7:03 PM, DayTrader said:

Oh and fair play to the animals for not eating each other ...

Not sure what they lived on for 40 days but I'm sure it's all explained in the book

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By the way, when the world was flooded, was it fresh water or salt water because the 'other' fish would have all died surely...? Meh, I'm sure the book explains it perfectly ... when it's not going on about death perhaps? 

You love me really and you know it.

It's also quite a talent to recognise a male and a female of the millions of insects on Earth. How long did he have to do this again? While making a big boat from scratch? Meh - all sounds pretty ''logical'' yep.

Actually Ward, there's one thing we will agree on ... we both have a great surname.

@remake it   ''geezer geyser'' is still a belter by the way ...

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   You know what's funny about the story of Noah? I believe that it is a story about when the ice sheet keeping the water from entering the Black Sea finally broke open, and the whole area flooded, and if I recall, there are also accounts of the same thing happening in cultures centered around the Black Sea that basically are the same as the one in the Bible. Or they have striking similarities. Kinda fuzzy about the whole thing, but Bible thumpers would just preach that God took care of the animals while they were on the ark so no explanation is necessary about how they survived for forty days on the big boat. Don't ask for explanations, they would be ambiguous at best.... And I'm sure the Demos would want to claim responsibility for them surviving in some twisted way... 

   I do know that there are settlements on the sea floor, that is already proven, and we also know that religions often use natural disasters as fodder for their beliefs, to be shaped for the exclusive power wielding of the ones in control of the religion. Look at the books that were "allowed" into the bible by past popes, and ask yourself why the others were omitted, like the gospel of Mary Magdalene? They did not want women to know that they had any powers or rights to influence, so they kept it hidden, a deep dark secret that we are only now starting to realize the implications of. No different than making sure that certain people were not allowed to learn to read or write, it would have empowered them.

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On 11/30/2019 at 1:00 AM, remake it said:

Abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering - all proven unless you live in an alternative universe.

 

Nope, as there is a specific number to be reached by the Senate and that means that control per se may not be adequate. 

   You are living in an alternate universe, get a life, and some credible news sources, and read the transcript for yourself, it is blatantly obvious you have not yet..... Go back and start looking real close at the Obama administration, you will find all three of those in abundance(Abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering) The Dems are really close to opening up their own can of worms, and they'll NEVER get the lid back on this one, Hilliary is not there to cover it all up for them now.

   It doesn't really matter anymore, they don't have any grounds for impeachment, but I hope they do choose to send that over to the Senate. You do understand that if the Senate opens an impeachment trial that NONE of the Democrats will be ALLOWED to leave DC, so the Senate could very easily keep them from being able to go out and campaign next year, and would have thereby automatically given the Republicans running against them a HUGE advantage? Please please please get them to send over articles of impeachment....

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6 hours ago, Jabbar said:

You can not charge someone with perjury because their feelings were hurt or they "presumed" something

True, and there 12 witnesses who presented exactly what they experienced as matters of fact, facts which so many here choose not to believe because they think there is some conspiracy happening.

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4 hours ago, wrs said:

Your first statement is true but not your second.  There is no case for impeachment but you can't be charged for perjury if you are only testifying to hearsay..........

Hearsay was not on trial.

53 minutes ago, Bob D said:

Typing   fact witnesses   didn't and won't sway anyone here.

Few posters here ever present the counter argument, so the facts outlined by witnesses stand, and if there were contrary information President Trump should have provided it through access to papers and witnesses but has instead chosen to obstruct justice which is an impeachable article.

13 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

and read the transcript for yourself, it is blatantly obvious you have not yet..... Go back and start looking real close at the Obama administration,

It's only obvious to those many here who are like you and in denial of what transpired, and has exactly nothing to do with President Obama - another puerile attempt to divert from actual proceedings.

17 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

You do understand that if the Senate opens an impeachment trial that NONE of the Democrats will be ALLOWED to leave DC, so the Senate could very easily keep them from being able to go out and campaign next year, and would have thereby automatically given the Republicans running against them a HUGE advantage? Please please please get them to send over articles of impeachment....

The Senate does not get the option if the matter is referred from the House so you appear to making up more rubbish.

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No case, Zelensky once again reiterates, NO QUID PRO QUO.  That won't stop the people who just can't get over another democrat fail from claiming something else.  They are seriously afflicted with TDS, there is no other explanation for such irrational and delusional behavior.

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44 minutes ago, remake it said:

Hearsay was not on trial.

Few posters here ever present the counter argument, so the facts outlined by witnesses stand, and if there were contrary information President Trump should have provided it through access to papers and witnesses but has instead chosen to obstruct justice which is an impeachable article.

It's only obvious to those many here who are like you and in denial of what transpired, and has exactly nothing to do with President Obama - another puerile attempt to divert from actual proceedings.

The Senate does not get the option if the matter is referred from the House so you appear to making up more rubbish.

Well it is blatantly OBVIOUS that the Dems have you, hook line and sinker, just like a sucker. The uneducated tend to be grabbed by their sensationalism, what's your excuse? The Dems love that fact, just smart enough to spew the wretched crap from their mouths as they are told, but not quite intelligent enough to look beyond the rhetoric of the party. The sad thing is you haven't proven a thing for your case yet, while all of us have, the documentation is there, and you keep using the same documentation, but I do still hope and pray this goes to the Senate, and yes, during an impeachment trial all of Congress is "sequestered" so to speak, and since the House is up for an election year but the Senate isn't..... But since you have obviously NEVER read about the impeachment hearing rules you wouldn't know that now, would you. I got my info from reading about the rules, and also a professor of law was able to confirm that fact, but think what you want, it is after all a free country. That is unless the libs take over, them free speech and gun ownership will be the first things to go. Remember this though, when free speech is removed, you also lose those rights as well as us.

   Please explain how this went from QPQ to, what is it today? Witness tampering? They haven't nailed down one damned thing that Trump has done wrong, with the exception of DESTROYING their money making schemes. Now the Clinton foundation is under investigation again(I'm LOVIN' it), and so many other things are going to start happening. It is going to be some exciting years ahead of us now, the Demos are going to go down, like a flaming rock thrown from an airplane. And it is about damned time somebody took them down. And even more insulting, the guy that forced it all to happen isn't even a career politician! I do believe that this is going to be a sweet victory for justice, finally. And what 's this? an investigation into who? Oh my, its the bitches son! Pelosi has made some similar arrangements for her son, and that is going to be investigated now as well? Oh my!! Whatever are we going to pull out of Nancy's closet now? And the Hero of it all, Shitpf head is going under investigation for leaking classified information to the press, that sounds a LOT like treason to me. Face it Bucko, the house of cards needed one thing to happen to stay standing, but it didn't. There is no one in the White House to protect it, and Hilliary is NOT our president!!! 

   And grow up, the Obama administration did the ABSOLUTE worst job in the history of the presidents of the United States, he brought disgrace to the position and to our country.... The president that had to deal with the worldwide depression did better than he did, and that in itself is so sad. The first Black president in the history of our country was an utter and total flop! Anyone want to chime in on this one, how many of us have been negatively affected by the policies of the last administration? I do remember a freeze on offshore drilling, and energy being generally stifled by his policies, does anyone remember a different scenario?

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An the first thing Trump needs to do in his next term is find a judge to open the records that were sealed by the Demos, you know, the birth certificate thing? We want to know..... If it can be proven that he was NOT a natural born citizen, then everything he did will become null and void, and I do believe there would be a treason trial for someone's near future?

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1 hour ago, remake it said:

True, and there 12 witnesses who presented exactly what they experienced as matters of fact, facts which so many here choose not to believe because they think there is some conspiracy happening.

Well "My feelings were hurt" doesn't count as an excuse for impeachment in any universe

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