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5 Reasons Why Electric Vehicle Sales Have Slowed

Undeniably EV sales have slowed, but so have ICE vehicle sales but to a lesser extent due to the initial outlay cost.

5 Reasons Why Electric Vehicle Sales Have Slowed (forbes.com)

The higher end EV market is well developed, its the smaller cheaper end that is lacking and that in my opinion is where EV manufacturers have got things wrong (BYD apart). For mass uptake vehicles need to be on at least a level playing field with their equivalent ICE counterpart or they wont be purchased.

I still think this is a bump in the road until infrastructure, cost and range improve significantly which they are starting to as the article points out. Ignorance from buyers remains prevalent in some geographical locations and that needs addressing too.

Gas (petrol) in the USA is very cheap so the savings arent as great as say the UK where its more like $7.70/gallon compared to half that in America. Savings on fuel are a big selling point in Europe which you arent getting in the States.

The economics and practicalities still dont work for Americans to buy an EV as infrastructure isnt there and neither are the fuel cost savings. The same applied to ICE vehicles 100-120 years ago!

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bloodman33    + 22

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This is a PBS documentary which show Exon concluded C02 is causing global warming.

It also shows that Exon and the Koch industry create a successful campaign to destroy the credibility of the fact that it is occurring and why. 

Heh Ecocharger, you do you claim C02 does not cause global warming.  Why are you disagreeing with Exons conclusions about C02 causing global warming?  Are you getting paid, or are you just ignorant.  I don't know which one would be worse.

Both of these companies need to be punished held accountable and closed where their assets are sold to other oil and refineries which never did this. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAAbcNl4Lb8

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/02/06/brussels-blinks-eu-scraps-key-elements-of-green-agenda-in-standoff-with-farmers/

 

Brussels Blinks First: European Union Scraps Key Elements of Green Agenda Amid Standoff with Farmers

232 BRUSSELS, BELGIUM - MARCH 19: Belgian farmers take part in a protest against EU's policy on agriculture and stockbreeding in Brussels, Belgium on March 19, 2018. (Photo by Dursun Aydemir/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images)Dursun Aydemir/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
KURT ZINDULKA
6 Feb 2024310
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The farmer uprisings across the continent have forced the globalist European Union leadership in Brussels to back down from key elements to its green agenda to achieve “net zero” emissions — for now.

Following major wins last year in The Netherlands, tractor protests from farmers secured another significant victory against the globalist agenda on Tuesday, with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen scrapping plans to require the agriculture sector to cut methane and nitrogen emissions by a third by 2040.

Brussels is also set to backtrack on plans to cut the use of pesticides in half during the same time frame, which farmers have argued puts them at a disadvantage to foreign agriculture imported into the bloc under free trade deals at cheaper costs due to their countries having less stringent environmental regulations as the EU.

Plans to encourage Europeans to eat less meat, a central theme of the Great Reset movement favoured by elites, have also been abandoned.

Commenting on the move, EU chief von der Leyen said per The Telegraph: “Our farmers deserve to be listened to.”

“I know that they are worried about the future of agriculture and their future as farmers. But they also know that agriculture needs to move to a more sustainable model of production so that their farms remain profitable in the years to come”,  she told the European Parliament.

However, it is unclear if the concessions made by Brussels on Tuesday will suffice to quell the anger of the farmers, given that they still face over-regulation at both the national and EU levels as well as facing issues from cheap foreign produce, notably from Ukraine, which was granted tariff-free access to the EU market following the Russian invasion.

The farmer protests against the EU’s green agenda, which began in earnest four years ago in The Netherlands, have seen major cities such as Berlin, Brussels, Paris and Rome blockaded by thousands of tractors over the past month, causing supply chain issues and disruptions to urban life.

Yet, the farmers have a broad base of support, with a recent poll finding that nearly 90 per cent of French voters believe that their tractor protests are justified.

The support for the farmers has sparked panic among the neo-liberal factions in Brussels for fear of turning the upcoming European Union Parliament elections in June into a referendum on the failures of the green agenda.

In addition to hurting farmers, it has also been regarded as having left Europe vulnerable to external events, such as the war in Ukraine, driving up the cost of energy in Europe where domestic fossil fuel production has largely dried up in favour of so-called renewables like wind and solar, which have failed to deliver on promises of energy independence.

While the backtrack on Tuesday has been widely regarded as a victory for the farmers, some — perhaps sensing blood in the water — have called to keep the pressure up on the EU leadership.

Dutch pro-farmer political activist Eva Vlaardingerboek said: “This is good news because it shows that protesting works and putting pressure on our overlords works. However, just dropping the requirements for 2040 is not enough. The entire agenda has to go. The Green Deal and the NetZero scam has to go. We’ve won a battle, not the war.”

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12 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/02/06/brussels-blinks-eu-scraps-key-elements-of-green-agenda-in-standoff-with-farmers/

 

Brussels Blinks First: European Union Scraps Key Elements of Green Agenda Amid Standoff with Farmers

232 BRUSSELS, BELGIUM - MARCH 19: Belgian farmers take part in a protest against EU's policy on agriculture and stockbreeding in Brussels, Belgium on March 19, 2018. (Photo by Dursun Aydemir/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images)Dursun Aydemir/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

KURT ZINDULKA
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The farmer uprisings across the continent have forced the globalist European Union leadership in Brussels to back down from key elements to its green agenda to achieve “net zero” emissions — for now.

Following major wins last year in The Netherlands, tractor protests from farmers secured another significant victory against the globalist agenda on Tuesday, with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen scrapping plans to require the agriculture sector to cut methane and nitrogen emissions by a third by 2040.

Brussels is also set to backtrack on plans to cut the use of pesticides in half during the same time frame, which farmers have argued puts them at a disadvantage to foreign agriculture imported into the bloc under free trade deals at cheaper costs due to their countries having less stringent environmental regulations as the EU.

Plans to encourage Europeans to eat less meat, a central theme of the Great Reset movement favoured by elites, have also been abandoned.

Commenting on the move, EU chief von der Leyen said per The Telegraph: “Our farmers deserve to be listened to.”

“I know that they are worried about the future of agriculture and their future as farmers. But they also know that agriculture needs to move to a more sustainable model of production so that their farms remain profitable in the years to come”,  she told the European Parliament.

However, it is unclear if the concessions made by Brussels on Tuesday will suffice to quell the anger of the farmers, given that they still face over-regulation at both the national and EU levels as well as facing issues from cheap foreign produce, notably from Ukraine, which was granted tariff-free access to the EU market following the Russian invasion.

The farmer protests against the EU’s green agenda, which began in earnest four years ago in The Netherlands, have seen major cities such as Berlin, Brussels, Paris and Rome blockaded by thousands of tractors over the past month, causing supply chain issues and disruptions to urban life.

Yet, the farmers have a broad base of support, with a recent poll finding that nearly 90 per cent of French voters believe that their tractor protests are justified.

The support for the farmers has sparked panic among the neo-liberal factions in Brussels for fear of turning the upcoming European Union Parliament elections in June into a referendum on the failures of the green agenda.

In addition to hurting farmers, it has also been regarded as having left Europe vulnerable to external events, such as the war in Ukraine, driving up the cost of energy in Europe where domestic fossil fuel production has largely dried up in favour of so-called renewables like wind and solar, which have failed to deliver on promises of energy independence.

While the backtrack on Tuesday has been widely regarded as a victory for the farmers, some — perhaps sensing blood in the water — have called to keep the pressure up on the EU leadership.

Dutch pro-farmer political activist Eva Vlaardingerboek said: “This is good news because it shows that protesting works and putting pressure on our overlords works. However, just dropping the requirements for 2040 is not enough. The entire agenda has to go. The Green Deal and the NetZero scam has to go. We’ve won a battle, not the war.”

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once again if it is from Breitbart it is fake news.....the site has nothing but garbage

 

ps if you are going to cut and paste please clean up your garbage

you think your links that you posted have anything to do with energy????

here is an example of what you just posted

Jury Finds Jennifer Crumbley, the Michigan School Shooter’s Mother, Guilty of Manslaughter1,088

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Eyes Wide Open    + 3,555

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Just another day in Green Paradise? Not this time...thousands upon thousands of windmills were doomed from the very beginning...The End.

Siemens’ troubles mount on wind turbine flaws

                

  • Tuesday, 24 Jan 2023

The faults were found in both onshore and offshore turbines, Eickholt said on a call with analysts. “We have now checked everything that we are aware of,” he said.

Gamesa said it recorded a preliminary loss of around €760mil (RM3.5bil) before interest and taxes in the first quarter, driven by a €472mil (RM2.2bil) hit after the checkups.

The company’s problems with existing and new turbines in development add to the industry’s turmoil in recent years, despite rising demand for wind power to meet global climate goals.

Manufacturers, including Vestas Wind Systems A/S, have suffered steep losses as costs for key materials like steel soared and supply chain disruptions led to delays. The companies are now raising prices to make their balance sheets healthy enough to deliver on future growth.

Siemens Energy declined as much as 3.4% in Frankfurt before recovering to trade around unchanged. The stock is up about 6% since the start of the year.

“Today’s share price movement suggests that the market fully expected more problems at Gamesa,” said Berenberg analyst Phil Buller, adding that Siemens Energy’s outlining expectations for positive pre-tax free cash flow in the financial year 2023 were positive.

Since Siemens Energy listed in 2020, former parent Siemens AG has planned to reduce its 35% stake in the company. It has delayed a sale due to the turbine maker’s subdued share price and Siemens Energy’s financing of the Gamesa takeover.

“This news will not impact Siemens’ fine line,” Buller said. With Siemens Energy’s share price rising of late, the company is likely to start its selldown within the next 12 to 18 months, he said.

The issues at Gamesa more than offset improvements at Siemens Energy’s gas service, grid technology and industry transformation businesses, the company said. Earlier this month, it secured a €4bil (RM18.7bil) contract to help link offshore wind farms in the North Sea to Germany’s mainland power grid.

Siemens Energy now expects its margin before special items for the financial year ending Sept 30 to come in at 1% to 3%. That’s down from a prior range of 2% to 4%. The company sees a 2023 net loss around last year’s level of €647mil (RM3bil).

Problems in the wind business have weighed on Siemens Energy before. Early last year, Siemens Gamesa replaced its CEO after a run of profit warnings, and mounting issues in the unit led Siemens Energy to lower its outlook in August. — Bloomberg

 

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2023/01/24/siemens-troubles-mount-on-wind-turbine-flaws

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Ron Wagner    + 710

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On 2/6/2024 at 3:04 AM, Rob Plant said:

5 Reasons Why Electric Vehicle Sales Have Slowed

Undeniably EV sales have slowed, but so have ICE vehicle sales but to a lesser extent due to the initial outlay cost.

5 Reasons Why Electric Vehicle Sales Have Slowed (forbes.com)

The higher end EV market is well developed, its the smaller cheaper end that is lacking and that in my opinion is where EV manufacturers have got things wrong (BYD apart). For mass uptake vehicles need to be on at least a level playing field with their equivalent ICE counterpart or they wont be purchased.

I still think this is a bump in the road until infrastructure, cost and range improve significantly which they are starting to as the article points out. Ignorance from buyers remains prevalent in some geographical locations and that needs addressing too.

Gas (petrol) in the USA is very cheap so the savings arent as great as say the UK where its more like $7.70/gallon compared to half that in America. Savings on fuel are a big selling point in Europe which you arent getting in the States.

The economics and practicalities still dont work for Americans to buy an EV as infrastructure isnt there and neither are the fuel cost savings. The same applied to ICE vehicles 100-120 years ago!

I really have nothing against EVs except for the price. You mention BYD which is reasonable price but I hear has quality issues with rust and working in cold weather. I heard that a lot of them don't work in very cold weather. That was just one report from a Russian source. Do you think we might allow them into the USA?  I am all for good transportation for those who want economy. Many don't need to take long trips either. 

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12 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

I really have nothing against EVs except for the price. You mention BYD which is reasonable price but I hear has quality issues with rust and working in cold weather. I heard that a lot of them don't work in very cold weather. That was just one report from a Russian source. Do you think we might allow them into the USA?  I am all for good transportation for those who want economy. Many don't need to take long trips either. 

Havent heard off rust issues Ron but they've only been around in the UK for 10 months, so possibly there is. I guess if its -40 in Siberia there might be issues (as there would be for ICE vehicles) but again not heard that either before but possible I guess.

I dont think they'll be available in the USA or if they are they will have import duties applied to them to make USA manufacturers competitive.

BYD Atto 3 (2023 - present) | Expert Rating | The Car Expert

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Ecocharger    + 1,474

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Here is some good common sense observations about EVs and their current downward trajectory (and common sense is very uncommon in the climat4e change debate).

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuels/Big-Oil-Ties-Up-with-Big-Corn-Against-EVs.html

"From today’s perspective, it rather looks like mass electrification was doomed to derailment because of its inherent problems. After reaching a record-high portion of over 7% of all car sales last year, EV sales are set for a slowdown this year. Even their fans are admitting the slowdown, although they are doing their best to brush it off as insignificant.

But if it were, Ford would not be slashing its production targets.

The reason that the mass electrification vision is not going to materialize is that EVs have too many features that push potential buyers away. And they are unlikely to make any serious dents in oil demand any time soon—the main motive for Big Oil to get in bed with Big Corn.

In a recent analysis of the EV dream and why it will likely remain a dream, Mark P. Mills, senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, wrote that even in Norway, oil demand has not declined after mass EV adoption. Norway is the country with the highest per-capita EV ownership in the world. Yet oil demand is stable even there—not growing, true, but stable. So why is Big Oil so worried?

The answer to that question comes from the political realm. Big Oil majors, by necessity, keep a finger on the pulse in Washington and now this pulse is telling them that the federal government and its transition allies at the state level are not giving up on their electric dreams so easily. They seem to be willing to spend whatever is asked of them to make that dream happen."

These crazy transition politicians are willing to spend endless money-not their own money, but taxpayer money, to pursue their foolish dreams.

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is some good common sense observations about EVs and their current downward trajectory (and common sense is very uncommon in the climat4e change debate).

After reaching a record-high portion of over 7% of all car sales last year, EV sales are set for a slowdown this year. Even their fans are admitting the slowdown, although they are doing their best to brush it off as insignificant.

There is no downward trend, it is slower growth, which is still upwards.

Your link even mentions record highs, only you would twist "record-highs" to "downwards trajectory."

Also from your link "Bloomberg: EV sales are rising so rapidly that they were threatening two industries that have traditionally been at odds with each other.

The oil industry has been against higher blending mandates because more ethanol in the gasoline means less gasoline in the tank, and this is not in their interest.

Big Oil has essentially made a U-turn, presumably in order to counter the rise of electric vehicles.

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It also, in a way, goes against its own customers by potentially making their life even more expensive. Biofuel crops require large amounts of land to grow on. This land would otherwise be used for food crops. Thus, one of the main arguments against biofuels as an alternative to gasoline is that more biofuel production means higher food prices."

 

So to summarize that link "big oil is afraid." So afraid they are willing to make gas contain less actual gas, would they be doing that if they thought their future was bright?  No.

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bloodman33    + 22

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This is a PBS documentary which show Exon concluded C02 is causing global warming.

It also shows that Exon and the Koch industry create a successful campaign to destroy the credibility of the fact that it is occurring and why. 

Heh Ecocharger, you do you claim C02 does not cause global warming.  Why are you disagreeing with Exons conclusions about C02 causing global warming?  Are you getting paid, or are you just ignorant.  I don't know which one would be worse.

Both of these companies need to be punished held accountable and closed where their assets are sold to other oil and refineries which never did this. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAAbcNl4Lb8

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There is another fatal issue with EVs, undue reliance on a potentially restricted source of inputs.

This is reason enough to abandon the foolish pipe-dream of electric transportation.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Rapid-EV-Adoption-Risks-Tying-US-to-Chinese-Interests.html

"The push for rapid EV adoption in the US overlooks China's significant control over the EV supply chain, including rare earths reserves and battery production.

Increasing reliance on Chinese EV components could leave the US vulnerable to trade manipulation and influence from China, posing national security risks."

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

There is another fatal issue with EVs, undue reliance on a potentially restricted source of inputs.

This is reason enough to abandon the foolish pipe-dream of electric transportation.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Rapid-EV-Adoption-Risks-Tying-US-to-Chinese-Interests.html

"The push for rapid EV adoption in the US overlooks China's significant control over the EV supply chain, including rare earths reserves and battery production.

Increasing reliance on Chinese EV components could leave the US vulnerable to trade manipulation and influence from China, posing national security risks."

Luddite, Please cling on to your Clunker and live in denial that Climate Change is man made and threat to all of us. It is all we can expect from someone that lives in denial

 

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7 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

There is another fatal issue with EVs, undue reliance on a potentially restricted source of inputs.

This is reason enough to abandon the foolish pipe-dream of electric transportation.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Rapid-EV-Adoption-Risks-Tying-US-to-Chinese-Interests.html

"The push for rapid EV adoption in the US overlooks China's significant control over the EV supply chain, including rare earths reserves and battery production.

Increasing reliance on Chinese EV components could leave the US vulnerable to trade manipulation and influence from China, posing national security risks."

That rapid EV adoption you claim is not happening is now a concern?

If the electric transition is not occurring you have nothing to worry about. 

Pick One: "the electric transition has failed" - OR -  "the ongoing electric transition is a risk to us." 

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52 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Pick One: "the electric transition has failed" - OR -  "the ongoing electric transition is a risk to us." 

Let me help you out here. DOA. Tesla will remain in a much different capacity..one would assume.

          " LUXURY REDEFINED"

It will be a very interesting transtion to watch, perhaps the miracle battery will evolve...letting trillions of assets will not set well.

 

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Ecocharger    + 1,474

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Expectations are that oil demand will continue to increase rapidly going forward.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/OPEC-Sees-Strong-Long-Term-Oil-Demand.html

"In its latest annual World Oil Outlook, OPEC expects global oil demand to increase by more than 16 million bpd between 2022 and 2045, rising from 99.6 million bpd in 2022 to 116 million bpd in 2045.

“We stand by what was published in our latest outlook we firmly believe that it is robust,” Al Ghais told Reuters today.

“If anything, changing narratives we are seeing now ... a lot of countries in the world turning back and slowing down and rethinking their net zero goals ... that will create further long-term demand for oil,” OPEC’s secretary general said."

 

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Ecocharger    + 1,474

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The EV market is now imploding and is in a state of collapse.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/France-Cuts-EV-Incentives-for-Wealthy-Households.html

"France’s cut to EV subsidies follows a much more drastic move by Europe’s biggest economy, Germany, which outright ended its EV subsidy program in December amid a budget crisis. Germany’s funds to help its energy transition were strained by a recent ruling of the Federal Constitutional Court. The top court ruled in November 2023 that the government’s plans to transfer $64.3 billion (60 billion euros) from unused emergency COVID funding to Germany’s new Energy and Climate Fund is unconstitutional and the climate fund should be reduced by that amount.

As a result of the end of subsidies, Germany’s EV sales plunged by 47.6% in December 2023 compared to a year earlier, dragging the EU’s new battery-electric car sales to the first decline since April 2020, during the pandemic’s peak, according to data from the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association, ACEA."  

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16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The EV market is now imploding and is in a state of collapse.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/France-Cuts-EV-Incentives-for-Wealthy-Households.html

 

Once again you attempt to hide the full story.  "Abandoning expansion plans due to energy transition."  Oil industry expansion plans were cut due to energy transition and you talk the about end of EV's.  Totally backwards as usual.

The Saudi energy minister of all people admits the energy transition is occurring....

"Saudi Arabia’s decision to abandon the expansion plans is a result of the energy transition, Saudi Energy Minister, Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, said earlier this week."

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14 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Let me help you out here. DOA. Tesla will remain in a much different capacity..one would assume.

          " LUXURY REDEFINED"

It will be a very interesting transtion to watch, perhaps the miracle battery will evolve...letting trillions of assets will not set well.

 

I said he could pick one.

If you think EV's are DOA then never complain about the strain they will cause the grid, rare mineral demand, financial impacts, taxes. Those things only happen if EV's are widespread adopted.  If you honesty think EV's are DOA you have nothing to worry or complain about.   Tax incentives only work if people take up the option, you clearly think no one will take up the option so nothing to worry about!

The more you bitch about EV's the more you acknowledge they are here to stay.  Simple.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Expectations are that oil demand will continue to increase rapidly going forward.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/OPEC-Sees-Strong-Long-Term-Oil-Demand.html

"In its latest annual World Oil Outlook, OPEC expects global oil demand to increase by more than 16 million bpd between 2022 and 2045, rising from 99.6 million bpd in 2022 to 116 million bpd in 2045.

 

 

Wait so 2022 to 2045 it will go from 99.6 to 116? Hahaha!

16% growth in 23 years?  Too funny, you do your investments I will do mine. :)

16% in 23 years...

 

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16 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Expectations are that oil demand will continue to increase rapidly going forward.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/OPEC-Sees-Strong-Long-Term-Oil-Demand.html

"In its latest annual World Oil Outlook, OPEC expects global oil demand to increase by more than 16 million bpd between 2022 and 2045, rising from 99.6 million bpd in 2022 to 116 million bpd in 2045.

 

 

Everyone do the math yourself on this "rapidly" growing demand and see how wrong Ecocharger is.

Ecocharger is nice in that he always posts links with data that is contrary to his opinion.  What he calls rapid growth is shit and he posted the numbers himself.

When a snake tells you he is a snake listen.  When a moron posts numbers himself that shows he is an idiot listen.

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1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

Everyone do the math yourself on this "rapidly" growing demand and see how wrong Ecocharger is.

Ecocharger is nice in that he always posts links with data that is contrary to his opinion.  What he calls rapid growth is shit and he posted the numbers himself.

When a snake tells you he is a snake listen.  When a moron posts numbers himself that shows he is an idiot listen.

Opec has been  ignoring reality that Peak oil has happened......

Saudi needs to sell a rosy picture to the citizens of Saudi Arabia as the problem with the truth (no growth and declining production) will cause panic in Saudi Arabia.....

so make up rosy projections ....BS the masses 

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EVs are in a tailspin with enormous declines in sales, while fossil fuel cars experience huge increases in sales.

People are beginning to show rational responses to the insane rhetoric concerning the climate panic. People cannot be fooled forever.

According to the  European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA)

https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations-13-9-in-2023-battery-electric-14-6-market-share/

"In December 2023, new battery-electric car sales declined for the first time since April 2020 (during the COVID-19 pandemic’s peak), dropping by 16.9% to 160,700 units. This decrease can be attributed to .....a significant downturn in Germany (-47.6%), the largest market for this power source"

"In December 2023, the EU petrol car market grew by 5.1%, driven by significant contributions from key markets like Italy (+24.9%) and Germany (+16.1%). This led to a total of 3.7 million units sold, a 10.6% increase compared to the previous year."

The writing is on the wall. The game is over.

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

EVs are in a tailspin with enormous declines in sales, while fossil fuel cars experience huge increases in sales.

People are beginning to show rational responses to the insane rhetoric concerning the climate panic. People cannot be fooled forever.

According to the  European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA)

https://www.acea.auto/pc-registrations/new-car-registrations-13-9-in-2023-battery-electric-14-6-market-share/

"In December 2023, new battery-electric car sales declined for the first time since April 2020 (during the COVID-19 pandemic’s peak), dropping by 16.9% to 160,700 units. This decrease can be attributed to .....a significant downturn in Germany (-47.6%), the largest market for this power source"

"In December 2023, the EU petrol car market grew by 5.1%, driven by significant contributions from key markets like Italy (+24.9%) and Germany (+16.1%). This led to a total of 3.7 million units sold, a 10.6% increase compared to the previous year."

The writing is on the wall. The game is over.

From your own link

" Despite this, the overall volume for the full year of 2023 surpassed 1.5 million units, reflecting a substantial 37% increase compared to 2022. The battery-electric car market share reached 14.6% in 2023."

Cherry picking quotes out of the article is not very bright

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16 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

From your own link

" Despite this, the overall volume for the full year of 2023 surpassed 1.5 million units, reflecting a substantial 37% increase compared to 2022. The battery-electric car market share reached 14.6% in 2023."

Cherry picking quotes out of the article is not very bright

You are joking again, you are the cherry-picker...this is a disastrous tailspin for plugins and EVs, of course for the whole year there was previously a gain in total volumes for EVs sold but now there is a precipitous collapse which is gaining further momentum.

AND sales of fossil fuel vehicles are increasing rapidly even as EVs fall off a cliff.

I guess you are tied to a dying industry, Rob. Some day soon you will have to visit the museum to see an EV.

"In December 2023, the EU petrol car market grew by 5.1%, driven by significant contributions from key markets like Italy (+24.9%) and Germany (+16.1%). This led to a total of 3.7 million units sold, a 10.6% increase compared to the previous year."

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