E-car Sales Collapse

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23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay must have read it in an EV promotional blurb.

Jay needs to slooowwww it down a smidgen, I do believe he's running out of Gas. But the EU is defunding the Green Plague....I imagine that has taken the Wind out his sails... Such Is Life.

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41 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The facts are otherwise, as ascertained by this outstanding researcher.

https://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/research-faculty/directory/faculty-fellows.html

Here is your take on the Moore's Law section.

"why would anyone try to compare the two as they are so unrelated that if shows that your author uses horrible comparisons (not based in science). "

Man, you really missed this one, it went right over your head. He was criticizing those like Jay who were trying to apply Moore''s Law to EV uptake. How could you misunderstand that? Jay must have read it in an EV promotional blurb.

you posted a chart of garbage...it is what you do best

back to the subject at hand

here are real facts......

EVs are CO2 light ....Enjoy it

Stats from the U.S. Department of Energy tell a similar story: Using the nationwide average of different energy sources, DOE found that EVs create 3,932 lbs. of CO₂ equivalent per year, compared to 5,772 lbs. for plug-in hybrids, 6,258 lbs. for typical hybrids, and 11,435 lbs. for gasoline vehicles.⁵

 

^{and the more renewables generating electricity the better it gets}

^{Thanks for supporting the Green Agenda ...your tax dollars are well spent on the transition}

^MAGA

^{Making Americas Green Agenda}

 

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36 minutes ago, notsonice said:

Making Americas Green Agenda

Ahh I see your slowly warming to reality. Now that's climate change, it must be difficult for you.

 

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

you posted a chart of garbage...it is what you do best

back to the subject at hand

here are real facts......

EVs are CO2 light ....Enjoy it

Stats from the U.S. Department of Energy tell a similar story: Using the nationwide average of different energy sources, DOE found that EVs create 3,932 lbs. of CO₂ equivalent per year, compared to 5,772 lbs. for plug-in hybrids, 6,258 lbs. for typical hybrids, and 11,435 lbs. for gasoline vehicles.⁵

 

^{and the more renewables generating electricity the better it gets}

^{Thanks for supporting the Green Agenda ...your tax dollars are well spent on the transition}

^MAGA

^{Making Americas Green Agenda}

 

You still lost on Moore's Law? That's right, he was showing up your own guys who got lost. You figured that out yet?

And those Department of  Energy figures are, you guessed it, incomplete. Here are the corrected numbers.

https://manhattan.institute/article/electric-vehicles-for-everyone-the-impossible-dream?utm_source=wsj&utm_medium=feature

"The differences are such that the dirtiest EVs can have more than double the emissions of the cleanest internal combustion engines."

"Appendix: Details Underlying Figure 6

Anatomy of CO₂ “Guesstimates” and Known Unknowns: Estimated Lifetime EV Emissions Range from 50% Less to 50% More than ICE

To illustrate the uncertainties in estimating EV lifetime CO₂ emissions, we use Volvo’s analysis as a baseline because it is thorough and incorporates many, though not all, variables.[194] Per Volvo: “Choice of methodology has significant impact on the total carbon footprint. . . . [C]are should be taken when comparing results from this report with those from other vehicle manufacturers.” The company showed that, compared with an internal combustion engine’s knowable emissions, the estimated EV emissions range from an idealized 50% lower to a realistic 8% lower.[195]

While theoretical scenarios allow for estimating lower EV emissions, the outcome is not a fact or a measurement. On the other hand, as illustrated below, if the Volvo analysis is adjusted to include some, but not all, known variabilities (discussed in this report), EV lifetime CO₂ emissions can be 15% higher than the baseline ICE car, or if the comparison is with a 30% more fuel-efficient engine, estimated EV lifetime emissions can be more than 50% higher.

Below, we summarize six key known unknowns for four upstream materials features that Volvo estimates cause 18 tons of a total of 25 tons of CO₂ emitted to build the EV, and we add two downstream sets of variables for the baseline of the additional 16 tons emitted from vehicle charging. (The outcome is illustrated in Figure 6 of this report.)

1. Battery size and refueling anxiety: 18 tons CO₂ → 22 tons
   
   EV buyers prefer large batteries, not to address “range anxiety” per se but because that minimizes the frequency of on-road fueling that, even with fast chargers, takes 4x–10x longer than with gasoline. Volvo assumes a 71–78 kWh battery. But 90–100 kWh is common, and, as IEA notes, the trend is up. Bigger batteries mean more materials. Assuming a 25% larger battery than Volvo changes the 18 tons of CO₂ from materials and refining to 22 tons.
    
2. Emissions from energy used producing battery materials: 22 tons → 25 tons
   
   Volvo shows nonaluminum minerals contributing two-thirds of upstream CO₂ based on energy supplied by the “average global grid.” But most “energy materials” are refined in China with a grid that has 50% higher CO₂ per kWh. Assuming half the materials are China-sourced adds three tons to revised factor no. 1 above, thus raising the total to 25 tons.[196]
    
3. Energy/emissions from near-future mining: 25 tons → 34 tons
   
   The unprecedented expansion of mining to meet massive EV minerals demands means that each new ton produced will come from mines with declining ore grades (a long-run geological reality), which increases energy use. Energy per ton of copper mined has doubled in the past decade. Assuming only a 50% increase in CO₂ per ton for (nonaluminum) materials adds another nine tons to the adjustment in no. 2 above, raising the upstream total to 34 tons.[197]
    
4. Aluminum sourcing: 34 tons → 36 tons
   
   The Volvo baseline shows six tons of CO₂ emissions from aluminum production. Specific manufacturers may source aluminum from low-emissions countries, but China is over 55% of the world’s supply.[198] Producing a ton in China emits 20 tons of CO2.[199] The average EV has 0.5 tons of aluminum and rising.[200] Assuming that half the aluminum comes from China adds two tons to the baseline, raising the total battery embodied CO₂ to 36 tons.
    
5. Balance of materials: 36 tons → 43 tons
   
   The Volvo baseline includes 7 tons of CO₂ from fabricating the balance of hardware (battery module assembly, electronics, other materials, etc.). We ignore for this illustration the known variabilities for those factors but note, for example, that the 200 extra pounds of non-battery copper used for EV wiring and motors entails wide emissions variabilities. Thus, many EVs manufactured now and in the near future will arrive at a dealer, before the first mile driven, with upstream CO₂ emissions totaling at least 43 tons.
   
   After the emissions from supplying upstream materials (44 tons) to build the EV, one then adds the variables in downstream emissions, from fueling the EVs battery.
    
6. Drive on U.S. grids, not the EU grid: downstream 16 tons CO₂ → 22 tons
   
   Emissions due to battery charging vary, depending on the electricity used (also the time of day, as discussed elsewhere). Average emissions from all U.S. grids, as well as for many regional grids, are about 40% greater than the EU average.[201] With the contemplated expansion of wind and solar, we assume instead a 35% increase. Thus the 16 tons emitted over 120,000 miles of EU charging (per Volvo analysis) becomes 22 tons in many U.S. states.
    
7. Drive vigorously, or use the heater or air conditioner: 22 tons → 24 tons
   
   Using air conditioning, heat, or vigorous driving increases EV energy use from 10% to 50%. Assume that many users will experience at least a 10% increase in electricity used per mile over the rated efficiency, and the 22 tons in no. 5 above increases to 24 tons of CO₂.
    

The Bottom Line: 43 Tons of Estimated Emissions Rises to 67 Tons

The realistic potential of 43 tons of upstream emissions combined with operating realities of 24 tons of downstream emissions (over a vehicle lifetime) yields a total of 67 tons of EV CO₂. This is 15% more than the 59-ton baseline for a comparable gasoline-fueled SUV. Or, assume instead that a consumer purchases an ICE car with 30% better fuel efficiency; that vehicle’s lifetime CO₂ emissions drop to 40 tons, which is ~27 tons, or 50% less than many possible EV scenarios.

Endnotes

Please see Endnotes in PDF"

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14 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

This is more than 120,000 miles, which is regarded as a long-term mileage for vehicles.

Agreed it is a significant distance but most vehicles will do double that at least in their lifetime before going to the crusher. Over that lifetime ICE vehicles will be far worse and more pollutive than an EV.

[Rob Plant + 2,650]

On 7/19/2023 at 11:19 PM, Ecocharger said:

Read the chart. EVs are just polluting junk.

"The differences are such that the dirtiest EVs can have more than double the emissions of the cleanest internal combustion engines."

 

 

From your article

"In one such study conducted by the University of Michigan, it takes 1.4 to 1.5 years for EV sedans to erase the pollution advantage of ICE vehicles due to the manufacturing process; 1.6 to 1.9 years for S.U.V.s and about 1.6 years for pickup trucks. These numbers are based on the average number of vehicle miles driven in the United States. "

So in less than 2 years the average ICE vehicle becomes more pollutive!

Do you change your ICE vehicle every year Eco?

And then the conclusion of the article

"But overall, electric vehicles are much kinder on the environment than ICEs. "

"According to the U.S. Department Of Energy, the average all-electric vehicle in the U.S. produces 2,817 pounds of CO2 equivalent per year; plug-in hybrids emit 4,824 pounds of CO2 equivalent, hybrid vehicles generate 6,898 pounds while gasoline-powered vehicles produce 12,594 pounds of CO2 equivalent per year. "

You are trying to justify this statement "The differences are such that the dirtiest EVs can have more than double the emissions of the cleanest internal combustion engines."and applying it across the board of all EV's and ICE vehicles to say that EV's are worse when the statement says "the dirtiest EV compared to the "cleanest ICE". You are again cherry picking and not looking at the conclusion of your own article, again for your benefit "But overall, electric vehicles are much kinder on the environment than ICEs. "

 

 

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Being a former engineer for a large power company and having earned a Master of Science in Energy and the Environment, I had PV panels installed eight years ago, with my estimated payback of 15 years, . . the right thing for an eco-freak to do. Before they could be installed, we acquired a VW e-Golf electric car. The savings in gasoline alone took the solar system payback down to 3 1/2 years. So, we added a used Tesla Model S, P85, and that took the payback down to less than three years, which means we now get free power for household and transportation.

But that is not all: We do not need to go to gas stations, we fuel up at home at night with cheap baseload power. During the daytime, the PV system turns our meter backwards powering the neighborhood with clean local power, which we trade for the stuff to be used that night. If we paid for transportation fuel, the VW would cost us 4 cents/mile to drive, and the Tesla would cost 5 cents/mile at California off-peak power prices.

No oil changes are a real treat along with no leaks. And since it has an electric motor, it needs NO ENGINE MAINTENANCE at all. We do not go "gas up", or get tune-ups or emissions checks, have no transmission about which to worry, no complicated machined parts needing care.

Do you still pay for electricity and gasoline?

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30 minutes ago, gkam44 said:

Being a former engineer for a large power company and having earned a Master of Science in Energy and the Environment, I had PV panels installed eight years ago, with my estimated payback of 15 years, . . the right thing for an eco-freak to do. Before they could be installed, we acquired a VW e-Golf electric car. The savings in gasoline alone took the solar system payback down to 3 1/2 years. So, we added a used Tesla Model S, P85, and that took the payback down to less than three years, which means we now get free power for household and transportation.

 

But that is not all: We do not need to go to gas stations, we fuel up at home at night with cheap baseload power. During the daytime, the PV system turns our meter backwards powering the neighborhood with clean local power, which we trade for the stuff to be used that night. If we paid for transportation fuel, the VW would cost us 4 cents/mile to drive, and the Tesla would cost 5 cents/mile at California off-peak power prices.

 

No oil changes are a real treat along with no leaks. And since it has an electric motor, it needs NO ENGINE MAINTENANCE at all. We do not go "gas up", or get tune-ups or emissions checks, have no transmission about which to worry, no complicated machined parts needing care.

Do you still pay for electricity and gasoline?

All credit to you, but you keep posting this and nothing else.

Dont you have anything else to say or to contribute other than blowing your own trumpet?

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11 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Agreed it is a significant distance but most vehicles will do double that at least in their lifetime before going to the crusher. Over that lifetime ICE vehicles will be far worse and more pollutive than an EV.

Well, that is not so according to this recent research.

"The Bottom Line: 43 Tons of Estimated Emissions Rises to 67 Tons

The realistic potential of 43 tons of upstream emissions combined with operating realities of 24 tons of downstream emissions (over a vehicle lifetime) yields a total of 67 tons of EV CO₂. This is 15% more than the 59-ton baseline for a comparable gasoline-fueled SUV. Or, assume instead that a consumer purchases an ICE car with 30% better fuel efficiency; that vehicle’s lifetime CO₂ emissions drop to 40 tons, which is ~27 tons, or 50% less than many possible EV scenarios."

 

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11 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Well, that is not so according to this recent research.

"The Bottom Line: 43 Tons of Estimated Emissions Rises to 67 Tons

The realistic potential of 43 tons of upstream emissions combined with operating realities of 24 tons of downstream emissions (over a vehicle lifetime) yields a total of 67 tons of EV CO₂. This is 15% more than the 59-ton baseline for a comparable gasoline-fueled SUV. Or, assume instead that a consumer purchases an ICE car with 30% better fuel efficiency; that vehicle’s lifetime CO₂ emissions drop to 40 tons, which is ~27 tons, or 50% less than many possible EV scenarios."

 

you are  posting your authors guesses at worst case.. which is what you do all the time cherry pick (that is not representative of a average typical case) So you once again do not post relevant info,,,,just garbage to support your BS claims....You are the king of BS

reality

"But overall, electric vehicles are much kinder on the environment than ICEs. "

"According to the U.S. Department Of Energy, the average all-electric vehicle in the U.S. produces 2,817 pounds of CO2 equivalent per year; plug-in hybrids emit 4,824 pounds of CO2 equivalent, hybrid vehicles generate 6,898 pounds while gasoline-powered vehicles produce 12,594 pounds of CO2 equivalent per year. "

 

and from your own article

• Notes

  The “High-GHG minerals” case assumes double the GHG emission intensity for battery minerals (70 kgCO2-eq/kWh compared to 35 kgCO2-eq/kWh in the base case; other assumptions are the same). The values are for a vehicle manufactured from today’s manufacturing lines assuming dynamic global average grid carbon intensity in the SDS (including transmissions, distribution and charging losses, weighted for mileage decay over a 20-year lifetime). The ranges shown for BEV represent cases for charging with a static low-carbon (50 gCO2-eq/kWh) and high-carbon electricity mix (800 gCO2-eq/kWh). Vehicle assumptions: 200 000 km lifetime mileage; ICE fuel economy 6.8 Lge/100 km; BEV fuel economy 0.19 kWh/km; BEV battery 40 kWh NMC622. NMC622 = nickel manganese cobalt in a 6:2:2 ratio. Lge = litre of gasoline-equivalent.

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by notsonice

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ev's coupled with Renewable energy means less CO2 output

Energy Transition

A record share of US electricity comes from zero-carbon sources - but more work is needed 

Mar 9, 2023

• Power capacity from clean energy sources comprised a record 40.6% of the US electricity mix in 2022, according to the Business Council for Sustainable Energy.
• This includes nuclear power, which is not renewable, but doesn’t produce greenhouse gas emissions.
• Wind, hydroelectric and solar power were the biggest areas of renewable capacity growth last year.
• More than $1 trillion was invested in the global energy sector in 2022, with $141 billion of that being spent in the United States.

Power capacity from clean energy sources comprised 40.6% of the US electricity mix in 2022, an all-time high.

That’s one of the key takeaways from the 2023 Sustainable Energy in America Factbook. It monitors energy market and policy trends in the US, and is produced annually by BloombergNEF and the Business Council for Sustainable Energy.

The rise of renewable energy

According to the report, renewables, such as solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal and hydropower, saw the fastest growth of the major sectors with a year-on-year rise of 12.6%.

Nuclear is regarded as a zero-carbon energy source because it doesn’t emit greenhouse gases.

Natural gas remained the biggest source of electricity in the country, contributing a record-breaking 39.4% of the total, up from 6.5% the year before. However coal-fired generation fell to 19.4% and nuclear generation contributed 18%.

Almost 41% of the US’ electricity came from zero-carbon sources in 2022. Image: BCSE

Wind was the largest source of renewable power last year, followed by hydroelectric generation and solar power. However, factors like higher costs and supply chain issues meant less wind and solar energy generating capacity was added to the US grid: 32 gigawatts (GW) in 2022 versus 37GW in 2021.

Lisa Jacobsen, President of the Business Council for Sustainable Energy, believes the swift increase in low-carbon power is set to continue. “The US economy is primed for clean, sustainable growth that will reduce emissions and increase employment opportunities while ensuring that we have the sustainable energy we need to continue growing the economy,” she says.

 

Electric vehicle boom

High gasoline prices in the US have made ownership of electric vehicles (EVs) more appealing. According to the report, sales of EVs and fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) rose by 50% to around 982,000 units, representing 7.1% of all vehicle sales in the US in 2022.

“Battery electric vehicles made up 81% of 2022 sales, with plug-in hybrid electric vehicles making up the remaining 19% and FCVs accounting for well less than 1% of sales,” the report’s authors say.

The passing of President Biden’s 2022 Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) is cited as a key factor in the buoyant EV market. The price at which EVs qualify for tax credits has been capped under this legislation, helping manufacturers keep prices down even as battery costs have increased.

EV sales now represent more than 7% of all new car sales in the US. Image: BCSE

Record investment in the energy transition

More than $1 trillion of private investment went into the global energy transition in 2022, which “shattered records” according to the report. The US attracted the second-highest amount, $141 billion, which represented an 11% increase over 2021.

Over 40% ($57.3 billion) of this investment went into electrified transport, and $49.5 million was pumped into the renewable energy sector. At least $369 billion of government funds is also due to be invested through the IRA.

“The record levels of private-sector investment in both the US and around the world in 2022 point to the durability of the energy transition, even when faced with inflationary and supply chain pressures. Corporate demand, coupled with a historic public sector injection of capital into US infrastructure, is sure to exponentially expand the reach of the clean energy transition,” the report says.

US emissions rise, but remain below 2019 levels

Greenhouse gas emissions across the American economy rose by 1% in 2022. This followed a 5.8% increase in 2021. However, the report notes that emissions remained 3% below pre-pandemic levels and a substantial 13.8% below levels recorded in 2005.

Emissions from the power sector dropped 1.5% from the year before and are now 35% down from 2005 levels. Meanwhile, emissions from the transportation sector rose 1.4% in 2022 and are currently the largest contributor to emissions.

US emissions have been gradually coming down since 2005. Image: BCSE

However, the report authors say much more needs to be done to ensure US emissions hit climate targets.

“The US has pledged under the framework of the Paris Agreement to reduce economy-wide emissions 50-52 percent below 2005 levels by 2030, and current emissions are down only 13.8 percent. For the power sector to “stay on track,” emissions would have needed to fall 6 percent or more in 2022, but they dropped only 1.5 percent (in 2022). Emissions in all other sectors would have needed to fall 0.9 percent but instead rose 1.9 percent.”

The World Economic Forum’s Energy Transition Index also shows that current progress is not enough to limit global warming to 1.5°C by 2050, as highlighted in its latest insight report on the issue.

“The need to urgently accelerate the energy transition is clear… Winning the race requires stakeholders at every level and in every geography to step up and work together: on reducing demand for fossil fuels, ramping up clean energy investments, decarbonizing industries and reshaping end consumer energy consumption in a way that lays the foundation of a sustainable future that is both inclusive and resilient.”

Edited July 21, 2023 by notsonice

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8 hours ago, notsonice said:

you are  posting your authors guesses at worst case.. which is what you do all the time cherry pick (that is not representative of a average typical case) So you once again do not post relevant info,,,,just garbage to support your BS claims....You are the king of BS

reality

"But overall, electric vehicles are much kinder on the environment than ICEs. "

"According to the U.S. Department Of Energy, the average all-electric vehicle in the U.S. produces 2,817 pounds of CO2 equivalent per year; plug-in hybrids emit 4,824 pounds of CO2 equivalent, hybrid vehicles generate 6,898 pounds while gasoline-powered vehicles produce 12,594 pounds of CO2 equivalent per year. "

 

and from your own article

• Notes

  The “High-GHG minerals” case assumes double the GHG emission intensity for battery minerals (70 kgCO2-eq/kWh compared to 35 kgCO2-eq/kWh in the base case; other assumptions are the same). The values are for a vehicle manufactured from today’s manufacturing lines assuming dynamic global average grid carbon intensity in the SDS (including transmissions, distribution and charging losses, weighted for mileage decay over a 20-year lifetime). The ranges shown for BEV represent cases for charging with a static low-carbon (50 gCO2-eq/kWh) and high-carbon electricity mix (800 gCO2-eq/kWh). Vehicle assumptions: 200 000 km lifetime mileage; ICE fuel economy 6.8 Lge/100 km; BEV fuel economy 0.19 kWh/km; BEV battery 40 kWh NMC622. NMC622 = nickel manganese cobalt in a 6:2:2 ratio. Lge = litre of gasoline-equivalent.

 

Your data is now outdated.

Here is the real story, and it is not just about worst-case. Notice, this is a comparison for "comparable" vehicles.

Worst case is a common case and that is much worse. One is 15% superiority for fossil fuel cars, the other is 50% superiority for fossil fuel cars.

"The Bottom Line: 43 Tons of Estimated Emissions Rises to 67 Tons

The realistic potential of 43 tons of upstream emissions combined with operating realities of 24 tons of downstream emissions (over a vehicle lifetime) yields a total of 67 tons of EV CO₂. This is 15% more than the 59-ton baseline for a comparable gasoline-fueled SUV. Or, assume instead that a consumer purchases an ICE car with 30% better fuel efficiency; that vehicle’s lifetime CO₂ emissions drop to 40 tons, which is ~27 tons, or 50% less than many possible EV scenarios."

 

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On 7/17/2023 at 7:06 PM, Ecocharger said:

Okay, let's try it again,

"According to an April 2023 report by consumer intelligence company JD Power, more Americans are unwilling to buy EVs. In March, 21 percent of new vehicle shoppers said they were “very unlikely” to consider an EV, up from 17.8 percent in January."

I am here in California and the west coast. I can tell you there are quite a few Teslas but they are a small minority of all vehicles. Any other EVs are indistinguishable from ICE vehicles. People still prefer ICE vehicles.

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29 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

I am here in California and the west coast. I can tell you there are quite a few Teslas but they are a small minority of all vehicles. Any other EVs are indistinguishable from ICE vehicles. People still prefer ICE vehicles.

People still prefer ICE vehicles?????

I bet you that people did not prefer horse and buggies in 1910....their horses were just not ready to be put out to pasture......same as clunkers today...1920 a majority of horses on the roads???? phased out. The roaring 20's

prefer??? no just  a slow replacement of all ICE vehicles...Rome was not built in a day

notice how many homes with solar panels now in California???

10 years ago hardly any...

today ????? Sleepy Joe's Roaring 20's EV sales are booming.......by 2030........new clunkers????? a thing of the past

California today...EV sales already at 21 percent of sales in California at the start  2023

 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/ev-tracker-california/

EV sales are booming in California. Charts show how Tesla is quickly losing market share

 

By Amy Chen, Yuri Avila and Dustin Gardiner |  April 26, 2023 4:00 a.m.

Sales of electric vehicles in California soared to a new high in early 2023, accounting for more than 21% of all new vehicles sold in the Golden State so far this year.

The portion of the new vehicle market composed of EVs — which include fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and plug-in electric hybrid models — has more than doubled over the last two years. Electric models were less than 8% of the state’s new car market in 2020, according to vehicle registration data from the California Energy Commission.

California has long dominated the electric car market in the United States due to aggressive tailpipe regulations designed to phase out emissions that are known to harm human health and drive global climate change by trapping heat in the atmosphere.

But the state is only at the start of what’s likely to be a rapid transition. The number of clean cars is expected to grow exponentially due to a regulation that requires most new cars sold in California to be zero-emission by 2035.

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by notsonice

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How Many Electric Cars Are There in the United States? We Found Out

Written by Georgette Kilgore

Cars | July 10, 2023

 

 

Have you ever wondered how many electric cars in the US or how many electric vehicles are there in the United States?

Although the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency categorizes electric vehicles (EVs) as zero-emission cars, the fact remains that even electric cars produce emissions and some more than others.

It doesn’t matter which brand, the element that determines the emissions generated by an electric car is where the energy is sourced. If the electricity is generated by burning coal, the emissions of operation are higher than if the vehicle was charged with solar panels.

But as more and more people look for ways to reduce costs, the number of electric vehicles is growing. Currently, the administration estimates about 3 million of the cars in the U.S. are electric, which is approximately one percent of the total.

So, if you’ve ever asked yourself, how many electric cars are there in the United States, the complete guide can show you…and show you the true eco-cost of an EV. 

How Many Electric Cars in the US: How Many Electric Cars Are There in the United States?

If your planning a switch to a more environmentally friendly vehicle, your first question may be, how many electric cars in the U.S. 2022? They are popular in the country, and the purchases increase every year.

Reports indicate that the sales of EV’s almost doubled between 2020-2021 from 308,000 to over 600,000, and more than 56,000 were sold by companies in March this year.²

Cumulatively, manufacturers have sold over 2,500,000 battery and plug-in vehicles in the last 12 years.

There was a record 60% increase in EV registration in the first quarter of 2022, about 158,600, which is 4.6% of all new car registrations in the country. Interestingly, companies manufactured approximately 442,000 electric vehicles in 2022 alone.

What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in US (2022)?

Using data from most auto brands and EV models, vehicle sales from the industry grew from 2.2% of total sales to 6.1% towards the end of 2022.

The percentage of electric cars in U.S. 2022 has tripled, and the number is expected to surge.

Year	Percentage of EVs out of all vehicles
2020 (Q3)	2.2%
2020 (Q4)	2.3%
2021 (Q1)	2.5%
2021 (Q2)	3.0%
2021 (Q3)	3.7%
2021 (Q4)	4.1%
2022 (Q1)	4.7%
2022 (Q2)	5.1%
2022 (Q3)	6.1%

What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in the World?

Knowing what percentage of cars are electric (2022) helps you understand their adoption rate and allows manufacturers to plan for the future. Since it is a relatively new concept in the auto market, you can expect only a small fraction of them on the roads worldwide.

EVs account for about 2.2% of all vehicles manufactured, meaning that there is only one car for every 250 standard models.⁴ The rate is also small in the US, but the number is gradually increasing thanks to incentives like the California electric car rebate program and other favorable tax credits and breaks.

On the other hand, the percentage is higher in some countries based on factors like government support and the plug-in electric vehicle readiness index.

How Many Electric Cars Are on the Road in the US? Total Electric Cars in USA (Current Data)

Data indicates that companies sold more than 56,000 battery EVs in the United States in March alone.

It contributed to a 60% sale increase in the 1st quarter of the year, which was over 158 689 new registrations or 4.6% of all new purchases.

Months later, the numbers pumped to 196,700, a 13% increase totaling 442,000 EVs across all categories. Considering the purchases from the previous years, starting from 2010, the electric cars on US roads have risen to around 2,531,206 battery and plugin-hybrids.

How Many Electric Cars in the World 2021?

Global car sales rose by 38% in 2020 but doubled the following year, with China leading the pack in terms of markets and sales.

It registered more vehicle sales in 2021 than all other countries combined in the previous year.

Country	Total 2021 sales
China	3,519,054
United States	631,152
Germany	695,657
France	322,043
United Kingdom	326,990
Norway	153,699
Italy	141,615
Sweden	138,771
South Korea	119,402
Netherlands	97,282
Other European countries	469,930
Remaining countries	313,129

Electric Cars Sold in US: US Electric Vehicle Sales 2022

There was a massive increase in the total electric vehicle sales in the US, but Tesla did the heavy lifting, responsible for over 100 000 units of sales.⁵

Car make	Number of US sales in 2022
Tesla (Model Y)	159,834
Tesla (Model 3)	146,800
Tesla (Model X)	29,500
Ford Mustang Mach-E	28,089
Tesla (Model S)	23,924
Chevy Bolt EV/ EUV	22,012
Hyundai Ioniq 5	18,492
Kia EV6	17,564
Rivian R1T	12,278
Volkswagen 1D.4	11,072

How Many Electric Cars in the United States: How Many Electric Cars Are in the United States by Type?

While electric car sales generally increase, users prefer various electric vehicle models. Battery vehicle sales increased by 85%, plug-in hybrids grew by 138%, and hybrid versions increased by 73% in 2021.

The number of car sales in 2022 was also impressive, with most buyers opting for hybrid cars over the other types. While users bought 72,899 hybrids, 56,028 chose battery vehicles, while 16,871 wanted plug-ins.

Each electric vehicle comes in a unique design, and if you plan to invest in one, you want to consider all the ups and downsides of each.

You can choose based on brand, price point, convenience, and general usage.

What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in US (2020 Stats)?

The percentage of electric cars in the country has been relatively low as companies are gradually adopting the manufacture of clean cars. Luckily, the entry of models like Tesla has contributed to increased sales and more of their presence on the roads.

New electric vehicle sales were around 2.4% in 2020, a rise from the previous year’s 2%. The number also doubled from 2020- 2021 as companies started producing more to meet the growing demand.

The rate has tripled to over 6% towards the end of 2022, and there is hope for more increase soon. More cities are embracing the adoption of electric cars and developing regulations and policies to advance the industry.

What Are the Best-Selling Electric Car Models in the US in 2021?

There are several considerations when choosing an electric vehicle to buy. Most first-timers check the car’s Model, price range, charging design, cargo space, and other personal preferences.

The following were the best-selling EV models in the United States in 2021 and their corresponding numbers.

Car Make	Number of US Sales in 2021
Tesla (Model Y)	172,700
Tesla (Model 3)	128,600
Ford Mustang Mach-E	27,140
Chevy Bolt EV/ EUV	24,828
Volkswagen 1D.4	16,742
Nissan Leaf	14,239
Audi e-Tron	10,921
Porsche Taycan	9,419
Tesla (Model S)	9,100
Hyundai Kona	8,936

Electric Cars 2021: California Ranks Highest

The percentage of electric cars in California is the highest among the other states. The state accounts for over 40% of all electric cars sold, and the market is still expanding, with sales at 8% of all new vehicles bought.⁵

This impressive rate is attributed to the incentive programs in the region, which are the highest countrywide and are even higher than the government’s regulations. Thanks to California electric car rebate offering $7,000 and Clean Fuel Reward discounting of $1,500 upfront.

California’s electricity utilities also have incentives, ensuring that the vehicle is easy to maintain. Considering all these factors, you are likely to buy a Model 3 Tesla at only $25,000 in the state, which is way cheaper than in other states.

What Percent of Cars Are Electric?

Knowing what percentage of cars are electric in the world before investing in one, especially how many are available in your state, is vital. Vehicle manufacturing companies also need this data to strategize on their future projects.

Since the design is fairly new, the standard gasoline-powered cars flood the market, while EVs make only a tiny percentage.

Considering all the releases in the world against the total number of cars, only 2.2% of electric models exist.

However, the rate varies based on the country, with the number being very low in developing countries. Regions like China and the US boast better technologies and manufacturing skills, and their EV production percentage is relatively higher.

How Many Electric Cars in the US Are From Tesla?

Tesla is the electric vehicle industry’s major player registering more car sales than the total from all other manufacturers in 2020. Their numbers were about 79% of all new purchases in the United States, but the high cost is its main challenge.

Taking all the numbers from January to September 2022, all the models have the highest sales in the country and globally. Model Y has 159,834 sales, while Model 3 and Model X boast 146,800 and 29,500, respectively.

Buyers have many options from the 25 new makes in the market, and other legendary auto companies like Ford, GM, and Volkswagen are also manufacturing various designs.

Some of these brands’ goals are to gradually shift focus to EVs and stop manufacturing gas-powered vehicles.

How Many Teslas Have Been Sold So Far?

By October 2022, Tesla reported selling around 3 233 623 electric cars since it started operations in 2008. Its first vehicle model was the Lotus Elise-based car, the Tesla Roadster, while the original purely electric version was the Model S, created in 2012.

The luxury SUV Tesla X was later launched in 2015, while the more affordable version, the Model 3, came in 2017. After gradually making a name in the electric vehicle industry and becoming a giant, the number of sales in the world increased past the 3 million mark.

Its current capacity is a whopping one million in sales annually despite all the setbacks it has faced, including the ending of tax incentives in December 2019 and many finding the models quite pricey.³

How Many Tesla’s Are on the Road Today?

By the close of 2021, Tesla had more than 2,300,000 car sales, which is pretty remarkable for a manufacturer that is new to the industry, unlike other automotive companies present for decades.

By October 2022, the number had increased to over 3.2 million, giving you a perspective on how many cars must be on the roads worldwide.

While Tesla Model S and X have more than half a million sales, the Model 3 and Y stand at 1.8 million.

According to projections, there should be more than 2.5 million EVs globally by the end of 2022, with Musk estimating a record 4 million Teslas soon.

State With the Most Electric Cars in the US: Which State in the US Has the Most Number of Electric Cars?

EV sales by state 2022 show that more people are switching from gas-powered to electric vehicles. The number of registered electric cars in the United States rose between 2020- 2021 by 1.3 million.

However, the rate is mainly attributed to a few states with favorable incentives, like California.

In 2020, it had over 40% of all new electric vehicle sales in the country. It had about 563,070 electric vehicles by December 2021.

It now leads with approximately 5,694 vehicles registered for every 100,000 people, closely followed by Washington and Oregon with 4,279 and 4,013, respectively. The three are the standout states thanks to favorable programs by the government making electric vehicles more affordable.

Regions With the Highest Number of Electric Cars: Overview by State

Various legislative bodies support the manufacture and purchase of electric vehicles.

The following are the top ten states with the highest EVs registered for every 100,000 people.

State	Number of EVs per 100 000 Residents
California	5,694
Washington	4,279
Oregon	4,013
Vermont	3,470
Hawaii	3,295
Colorado	2,868
Maryland	2,817
Massachusetts	2,742
Arizona	2,589
Virginia	2,580

What Are the Global EV Sales 2022?

According to the electric vehicle sales statistics 2022, worldwide EV sales are steadily increasing.

Over 4 million PHEVs and BEVs have been delivered in the first two quarters of the year, which is a 62% rise, unlike in 2021.

PHEVs accounted for 27% of plug-in purchases in the first six months, as BEV sales increased by 75%. Before the end of 2020, the sales are expected to increase by 57% more than in 2021.

How Many Electric Vehicles in the US Have Been Sold Over the Years?

There has been a massive increase in how many electric cars are sold in the U.S. each year, thanks to the increased demand among drivers seeking cleaner vehicles.

More companies joined the market over the last decade and have contributed to the following high U.S. electric vehicle sales by year.

Year	Estimated Number of EVs Sold in the US
2013	96,000
2014	120,000
2015	116,548
2016	159,139
2017	200,000
2018	361,307
2019	330,000
2020	308,000
2021	608,000

Why Is the Number of Electric Cars in US Low?

While US EV and clean energy growth have been steady over the years, the number of electric cars on the roads is still low at less than 6%, and there are certain factors to blame. Many find the price-point excessive and opt for cheaper gas-powered vehicles.

However, EVs save money you would spend on fuel and will be cheaper in the long run. They are also cheaper to maintain, but a lack of charging infrastructure and improper buyer education has derailed their adoption.¹

Several states also have regulations preventing manufacturers from directly selling their vehicles, meaning they must overcome these barriers by setting up expensive dealerships to enter the market.

What Are the Brands of Electric Vehicles in the US?

There are various brands of electric vehicles worldwide, featuring modern production time, sleek designs, and, generally, high-performance products, as you can tell from how many electric cars in the US are sold annually.

The major industry players in the US include Tesla, Karma, Lucid, Brammo, Rivian, Faraday Future, Lordstown, Nikola, Canoo, and Drako Motors.

Each brand has a unique feature with some famous luxury or high-performance vehicles.

Besides these brands, you will also find other big names in various countries. For instance, China has NIO and Xpeng, Venturi is in France, and Polestar is in Sweden.

Tesla is, however, a massive brand worldwide, with high sales in various developed countries.

What Is the Revenue of Electric Car Companies in the US?

The electric car industry is growing rapidly due to increased demand. According to statistics, the market revenue may reach $49.07 billion by the close of 2022 and increase to $139.10 billion in the next five years.

The projections show that the industry will have a 23.17% growth rate from 2022- 2027.

The competition is also getting stiff among manufacturers, evidenced by the sales of the top electric car companies from January to May 2022.

Tesla accounted for about 13.6% of total sales in the time frame, followed by SAIC-GM-Wuling and BYD Ltd at 9.3% and 8.5%. Hyundai, Kia, and Geely-Volvo also performed well, tying at 6.2% of EV total sales.

Are All Cars Going Electric in the Future?

This time in history is one of the greatest turnarounds in transportation after Henry Ford’s revolution in the early 1900s. If you are wondering will all cars be electric by 2050, the world would need to start making the shift as early as now, given the trends from the last decade.

Governments and other bodies are pushing for the expansion of the electric vehicle industry using tax incentives, subsidies, and favorable regulations. In turn, the demand for PHEVs and BEVs is increasing, and there is a growing need to set up more charging infrastructure.

Industry observers have expressed hopes that all cars will be electric, especially now that global sales have read millions. Besides, manufacturers like Jaguar, General Motors, and Ford are optimistic that they will soon solely make electric cars.

However, the nagging, yet terrible eco-problems created by the batteries needed to run these cars presents a serious challenge.

In addition to the horrific mining practices needed, the disposal of the battery itself leeches dangerous toxic chemicals into the ground water.

What Will Be the Percentage of Electric Cars in U.S. By 2030?

One pressing question among drivers is, will all cars be electric by 2030? Commuting contributes to a large percentage of total global emissions, and governments are relentlessly advocating for switching to more environmentally friendly electric vehicles.

Many automotive companies are confident that most cars in their lines will be electric, and some have assured buyers that they will solely focus on them by 2030. If they deliver on their promises, chances are high that almost 50% of all cars produced by 2030 will be EVs.

What Is the Carbon Footprint of Electric Cars vs Gasoline?

Buyer education is critical, considering how many electric cars in the U.S. vs gas cars. People may not understand the impact of gas-powered cars on the environment, or there will be increased adoption of electric vehicles.

Operating costs and fuel economy of conventional vehicles are excessively high, and the worst part is how it affects the ecosystem. The total GHG emissions from an EV throughout its lifespan are generally lower in comparison, even after considering the carbon footprint of manufacturing.

EVs have the advantage considering the carbon footprint of electric cars vs gasoline, although they need more energy to manufacture their battery and the battery itself if an eco-nightmare. The gasoline car has a higher carbon footprint from manufacturing, powering, and usage, but only when the energy used to power it is green.

Are Zero-Emission Cars Worth Buying?

The downside of gas-powered electric vehicles is that they cause air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. Luckily, electric cars are cleaner and safer for the environment, ideal for drivers keen on reducing their carbon footprints.

They have the added advantage of reduced fuel costs, and the latest designs are sleeker than conventional vehicles. They may have a higher purchase cost in most cases, but in the long run, they save a lot of money you would otherwise use on maintenance or powering using fossil fuels.

Your best bet is to consider all the vehicle’s features to find one that fits your needs and matches your preferences. You can go for dedicated EV brands like Tesla or any other automotive company.

The public now understands that commuting daily on gasoline vehicles is damaging to the environment, and there is no better alternative than going electric. They are cleaner, sleeker, and sometimes associated with luxury driving.

You can make a lasting impact on the environment by going for EVs, even for public transportation, and massively reduce your carbon footprint. Lobby groups and governments and advocating for it, and you can join other millions of users in helping save the planet.

Their demand in the country is increasing based on the reports of how many electric cars are there in the United States, and companies are releasing various makes for you to choose from based on your preference.

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5 minutes ago, notsonice said:

People still prefer ICE vehicles?????

I bet you that people did not prefer horse and buggies in 1910....their horses were just not ready to be put out to pasture......same as clunkers today...1920 any horses on the roads???? phased out

prefer??? no just  a slow replacement of all ICE vehicles...Rome was not built in a day

notice how many homes with solar panels now in California???

10 years ago hardly any...

 

 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/ev-tracker-california/

EV sales are booming in California. Charts show how Tesla is quickly losing market share

 

By Amy Chen, Yuri Avila and Dustin Gardiner |  April 26, 2023 4:00 a.m.

Sales of electric vehicles in California soared to a new high in early 2023, accounting for more than 21% of all new vehicles sold in the Golden State so far this year.

The portion of the new vehicle market composed of EVs — which include fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and plug-in electric hybrid models — has more than doubled over the last two years. Electric models were less than 8% of the state’s new car market in 2020, according to vehicle registration data from the California Energy Commission.

California has long dominated the electric car market in the United States due to aggressive tailpipe regulations designed to phase out emissions that are known to harm human health and drive global climate change by trapping heat in the atmosphere.

But the state is only at the start of what’s likely to be a rapid transition. The number of clean cars is expected to grow exponentially due to a regulation that requires most new cars sold in California to be zero-emission by 2035.

 

California is getting its power from other states and blocking development at home. Lower cost EVs would make them more popular, but 2035 is not a feasible goal for stopping the sale of ICE vehicles IMHO. Tesla may not be able to produce such a vehicle for a good price compared to compact ICE vehicles. 

Used cars are being held on to and repaired. 

I am on the road again burning 15 mpg in my large passenger van. Will cover about 5,000 miles on vacation. 

At home we try to use our minivan as little as possible and our 3 cylinder Mirage which gets 40 mpg. I think its price is about $17,000 now. 

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,546]

Whoa FIRE SALE In California!

 

There’s a way to get a brand new Tesla Model 3 for less than $14,000 in California

 

 

https://electrek.co/2023/07/24/brand-new-tesla-model-3-less-than-14000-california/

Edited July 24, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

[Ecocharger + 1,383]

42 minutes ago, notsonice said:

People still prefer ICE vehicles?????

I bet you that people did not prefer horse and buggies in 1910....their horses were just not ready to be put out to pasture......same as clunkers today...1920 a majority of horses on the roads???? phased out. The roaring 20's

prefer??? no just  a slow replacement of all ICE vehicles...Rome was not built in a day

notice how many homes with solar panels now in California???

10 years ago hardly any...

today ????? Sleepy Joe's Roaring 20's EV sales are booming.......by 2030........new clunkers????? a thing of the past

California today...EV sales already at 21 percent of sales in California at the start  2023

 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/ev-tracker-california/

EV sales are booming in California. Charts show how Tesla is quickly losing market share

 

By Amy Chen, Yuri Avila and Dustin Gardiner |  April 26, 2023 4:00 a.m.

Sales of electric vehicles in California soared to a new high in early 2023, accounting for more than 21% of all new vehicles sold in the Golden State so far this year.

The portion of the new vehicle market composed of EVs — which include fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and plug-in electric hybrid models — has more than doubled over the last two years. Electric models were less than 8% of the state’s new car market in 2020, according to vehicle registration data from the California Energy Commission.

California has long dominated the electric car market in the United States due to aggressive tailpipe regulations designed to phase out emissions that are known to harm human health and drive global climate change by trapping heat in the atmosphere.

But the state is only at the start of what’s likely to be a rapid transition. The number of clean cars is expected to grow exponentially due to a regulation that requires most new cars sold in California to be zero-emission by 2035.

 

Old news, the EVs are piling up on the sales lots, a saturated market.

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Now you can drop the whole "EV's are too expensive" BS line.

Competition for market share is good for the consumer.

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3 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Now you can drop the whole "EV's are too expensive" BS line.

Competition for market share is good for the consumer.

Nobody wants the EVs, it is a niche market which is now saturated.

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6 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Nobody wants the EVs, it is a niche market which is now saturated.

Excess supply doesn't necessarily mean low demand.  Just so many new players trying to grab a slice of the EV market share.

Oil suffers from supply and demand imbalances all-the-time.  You are currently gloating about low oil supply related price increases but if oil prices rise dramatically these now cheaper EV's will start looking real tempting.

Without the war oil would be much further down.

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6 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

Excess supply doesn't necessarily mean low demand.  Just so many new players trying to grab a slice of the EV market share.

Oil suffers from supply and demand imbalances all-the-time.  You are currently gloating about low oil supply related price increases but if oil prices rise dramatically these now cheaper EV's will start looking real tempting.

Without the war oil would be much further down.

Reaching for straws, eh? The "war"? Give us a break.

Oil demand is growing which explains the higher prices for oil.

EV demand is saturated which explains the growing inventories of EVs.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/oil-and-gas/our-insights/oil-and-gas-blog/snapshot-of-global-oil-supply-and-demand

 "Global liquids demand increased by 1.6 MMb/d in June to 102 MMb/d. Strong gains in Europe (+0.6 MMb/d) and the Middle East (+0.5 MMb/d) accounted for the majority of the demand growth"

Edited July 24, 2023 by Ecocharger

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1 hour ago, TailingsPond said:

Excess supply doesn't necessarily mean low demand.  Just so many new players trying to grab a slice of the EV market share.

Oil suffers from supply and demand imbalances all-the-time.  You are currently gloating about low oil supply related price increases but if oil prices rise dramatically these now cheaper EV's will start looking real tempting.

Without the war oil would be much further down.

Frankly none of this dribble no longer matters. Musk is destroying the EV market, just as he has destroyed Twitter. Perhaps there is more to this man that meets the eye...

On second thought he's just destroying the competition for sport...so many opportunities so little time.

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Edited July 25, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

[Ron Wagner + 649]

2 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Whoa FIRE SALE In California!

 

There’s a way to get a brand new Tesla Model 3 for less than $14,000 in California

 

 

https://electrek.co/2023/07/24/brand-new-tesla-model-3-less-than-14000-california/

Which actually means that his car is being payed by other citizens who are taxpayers and rate payers. Most of who cannot afford a new car. 

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2 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

Which actually means that his car is being payed by other citizens who are taxpayers and rate payers.

Show me where dollars leave taxpayer's and rate payer's pockets and are directed toward a citizen's vehicle purchase.

Edited July 25, 2023 by turbguy