E-car Sales Collapse

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11 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

This is worse, more devastating. When water is contaminated, you drink it.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/01/18/the-paradox-of-lithium/

 "producing a battery weighing 1,100 pounds emits over 70% more carbon dioxide than producing a conventional car in Germany, according to research by the automotive consultancy Berylls Strategy Advisors.

Furthermore, lithium mining requires a lot of water. To extract one ton of lithium requires about 500,000 liters of water, and can result in the poisoning of reservoirs and related health problems."

Batteries have a larger carbon footprint than fossil fuel cars.

https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint

 "...the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show.

And that's one of the smallest batteries on the market: BMW's i3 has a 42 kWh battery, Mercedes's upcoming EQC crossover will have a 80 kWh battery, and Audi's e-tron will come in at 95 kWh."

a coal-heavy country????

I do not live in a coal-heavy country anymore.......do you????

Coal heavy, today  would be North Korea ...Russia or China

 

PS US coal use is down 30 percent this year compared to last year......thanks to renewables 

 

Germany is shedding its coal past fast.........so how many years now?????? (if you lived in Germany???)

the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for how many years today ???????before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions ???????

 

as you see when a country switches to renewables away from coal the carbon dioxide emissions decrease....I know you are mathematically challenged......do you need someone point out the math for you?????

[Ecocharger + 1,458]

Here is where reality hits the pavement.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Soaring-UK-Power-Prices-Make-Gasoline-Cars-Cheaper-Than-EVs.html

"Rising electricity prices in the UK have made gasoline and diesel cars cheaper to use than electric vehicles charged at rapid public chargers.

While drivers who are able to charge their EVs at home are still making significant savings, public charging infrastructure is more expensive.

Higher electricity prices and insufficient charging infrastructure in the UK could hinder electric vehicle adoption."

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12 minutes ago, notsonice said:

a coal-heavy country????

I do not live in a coal-heavy country anymore.......do you????

Coal heavy, today  would be North Korea ...Russia or China

 

PS US coal use is down 30 percent this year compared to last year......thanks to renewables 

 

Germany is shedding its coal past fast.........so how many years now?????? (if you lived in Germany???)

the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for how many years today ???????before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions ???????

 

as you see when a country switches to renewables away from coal the carbon dioxide emissions decrease....I know you are mathematically challenged......do you need someone point out the math for you?????

Apparently math is difficult for you.  And coal is not equal which was the point.

Germany mined and imported 260Million tons of coal last year producing ~160 Billion kWh.    USA mined 580 while exporting ~60 Million and importing ~10 million ton or about 530Million tons consumed = ~900 Billion KWh produced

Germany ~  uses 1.625 tons/MkWh

USA ~ uses 0.6tons/MkWh

German coal SUCKS ASS is the bottom line here.  Nearly 3X WORSE

PS:  Germany burns about ~30% Anthracite coal last year(imported) equal in quality to what the USA burns.  This means Brown or Lignite coal is very roughly speaking 6X worse than Anthracite coal.  NIT: Huge gradations of Lignite/brown coal so...

 

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

PS US coal use is down 30 percent this year compared to last year......thanks to renewables

Nobrain: coal is down in USA because USA now uses 3X more natural gas than coal as NG is effectively free due to fracking and due to regulations. 

NG makes up 33% and coal 11%

Renewables make ~12% last year in USA and 40% of that is from Hydropower.  Wind/Solar make up a mere 7% or so. 

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36 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Nobrain: coal is down in USA because USA now uses 3X more natural gas than coal as NG is effectively free due to fracking and due to regulations. 

NG makes up 33% and coal 11%

Renewables make ~12% last year in USA and 40% of that is from Hydropower.  Wind/Solar make up a mere 7% or so. 

33 + 11 + 12 = 56

Where is the the rest coming from?

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Nobrain: coal is down in USA because USA now uses 3X more natural gas than coal as NG is effectively free due to fracking and due to regulations. 

NG makes up 33% and coal 11%

Renewables make ~12% last year in USA and 40% of that is from Hydropower.  Wind/Solar make up a mere 7% or so. 

No, wind and solar were 15% of USA electricity last year. Thank you for confirming once again how dumb and deceitful you are.

Coal was 19.5%.

NG was 40%

Hydro was 6%

Nuclear was 18%

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11 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No, wind and solar were 15% of USA electricity last year. Thank you for confirming once again how dumb and deceitful you are.

 

Are you this dumb?  Dumb question...

Just as much power is used for HEATING than electrical generation dear Watson.  Suggest you wake up and smell something useful. 

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

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34 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

33 + 11 + 12 = 56

Where is the the rest coming from?

Suggest using a hand glass dear Watson

Or use both hands to find your ass.

[Jay McKinsey + 1,490]

3 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Are you this dumb?  Dumb question...

Just as much power is used for HEATING than electrical generation dear Watson.  Suggest you wake up and smell something useful. 

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

Another lie as shown by your link.

 

 

[notsonice + 1,255]

1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Nobrain: coal is down in USA because USA now uses 3X more natural gas than coal as NG is effectively free due to fracking and due to regulations. 

NG makes up 33% and coal 11%

Renewables make ~12% last year in USA and 40% of that is from Hydropower.  Wind/Solar make up a mere 7% or so. 

PBS

https://www.pbs.org › newshour › science › electricity...

 

 

 

 

Mar 28, 2023 — Electricity generated from renewables surpassed coal in the United States for the first time in 2022, the U.S. Energy Information ...

 

PS US coal use is down 30 percent this year compared to last year......thanks to renewables

enjoy the transition......or you can just disconnect from the grid.....

 

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[notsonice + 1,255]

1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Nobrain: coal is down in USA because USA now uses 3X more natural gas than coal as NG is effectively free due to fracking and due to regulations. 

NG makes up 33% and coal 11%

Renewables make ~12% last year in USA and 40% of that is from Hydropower.  Wind/Solar make up a mere 7% or so. 

NG is effectively free????

so does this mean someone else needs to pay for the NG delivered to my home????? as my winter time bill was over $500 a month and this is after we turned the heat down to 68 in the day and 60 at night

$500 is not what I call free

I keep getting nasty bills (2022 nat gas bills were up 80 percent compared to the year before) should I send them to you ??? Mr .Magoo

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28 minutes ago, notsonice said:

NG is effectively free????

so does this mean someone else needs to pay for the NG delivered to my home????? as my winter time bill was over $500 a month and this is after we turned the heat down to 68 in the day and 60 at night

$500 is not what I call free

I keep getting nasty bills (2022 nat gas bills were up 80 percent compared to the year before) should I send them to you ??? Mr .Magoo

$500.. ROFL!  Good one! Only 68F in the day... uh huh.

How F'n stupid do you think everyone in the USA is?  Or is it just you? 

Meanwhile my rental house(2000sq ft) NG bill was a mere $100 in winter in Northern high altitude Colorado. 

Want to try that $500 lie again? 

Surely you can increase it some more.  Your fish story needs a larger microscope.

[notsonice + 1,255]

12 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

$500.. ROFL!  Good one! Only 68F in the day... uh huh.

How F'n stupid do you think everyone in the USA is?  Or is it just you? 

Meanwhile my rental house(2000sq ft) NG bill was a mere $100 in winter in Northern high altitude Colorado. 

Want to try that $500 lie again? 

Surely you can increase it some more.  Your fish story needs a larger microscope.

rental.....oh my......will maybe your luck will change to the good some day

 

Electrek

Wind + solar produced more electricity than coal in the US in the first third of 2023

Electricity generated from wind and solar outproduced coal during the first four months of 2023, according to new US EIA data.

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1 day ago

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Will some wise member please send a link as to where I might obtain some of these free and cleaned earth farts?

[TailingsPond + 874]

4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

While drivers who are able to charge their EVs at home are still making significant savings, public charging infrastructure is more expensive.

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by TailingsPond

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2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

$500.. ROFL!  Good one! Only 68F in the day... uh huh.

How F'n stupid do you think everyone in the USA is?  Or is it just you? 

Meanwhile my rental house(2000sq ft) NG bill was a mere $100 in winter in Northern high altitude Colorado. 

Want to try that $500 lie again? 

Surely you can increase it some more.  Your fish story needs a larger microscope.

NG prices depend on many factors including where you live, how well-insulated your space is, and how big the space is. Prices in some states are more than twice what they average in Colorado. But given that you know everything, I am sure you knew the aforementioned information, too.

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EV sales continue to climb. https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022

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"However, it is extremely problematic for all battery producers that the manufacturing capacity for electric vehicle traction batteries is growing stronger than the demand by the auto industry. Some battery pack manufacturers have announced they will greatly expand their production capacity; new players show great interest in entering the market. However, sales figures for e-vehicles are not increasing fast enough - even in the most optimistic scenarios currently under discussion. A battery bubble is emerging. As the Berylls study shows, nothing in this disparity will change in the next few years." ... according to the Berylls study that has been copied and spread by the oil industry. Problem is that it has been debunked by several other studies. For one thing, battery production  has NOT outgrown demand. Not even close. 

[Ecocharger + 1,458]

3 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

 

Savings over what? Over the public charging stations.

Who in their right mind would want the inconvenience of driving an EV?

Who? You? No. Jay? No. The one sensible statement Jay has made is that he does not own an EV.

Good thinking, Jay.

[Ecocharger + 1,458]

55 minutes ago, Paul-S said:

"However, it is extremely problematic for all battery producers that the manufacturing capacity for electric vehicle traction batteries is growing stronger than the demand by the auto industry. Some battery pack manufacturers have announced they will greatly expand their production capacity; new players show great interest in entering the market. However, sales figures for e-vehicles are not increasing fast enough - even in the most optimistic scenarios currently under discussion. A battery bubble is emerging. As the Berylls study shows, nothing in this disparity will change in the next few years." ... according to the Berylls study that has been copied and spread by the oil industry. Problem is that it has been debunked by several other studies. For one thing, battery production  has NOT outgrown demand. Not even close. 

Oh, yeah? Read this.

EV inventories are growing as supply increases faster than demand.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-EV-Sector-Has-A-Serious-Overproduction-Problem.html

EV "sales are not going up to the same extent that inventory is going up. As we approach the end of the second quarter of this year, average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer lots as we look at inventory versus this time 2022. That's a whopping 342% year over year increase. During the same period, maybe the day supply increased 166% the 90 day supply, though the pace of sales while up, is not rising as fast as inventory builds,"

Edited June 30, 2023 by Ecocharger

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23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Oh, yeah? Read this.

EV inventories are growing as supply increases faster than demand.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-EV-Sector-Has-A-Serious-Overproduction-Problem.html

EV "sales are not going up to the same extent that inventory is going up. As we approach the end of the second quarter of this year, average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer lots as we look at inventory versus this time 2022. That's a whopping 342% year over year increase. During the same period, maybe the day supply increased 166% the 90 day supply, though the pace of sales while up, is not rising as fast as inventory builds,"

EV inventory is growing because what they are selling are overpriced expensive JUNK and everyone knows it.  Why people refuse to buy the garbage.  Short ranged shit = massive battery degradation and on top of that are MUCH more expensive than their ICE counterparts with upfront costs (don't forget the home charger cost to make it economically viable) and everyone is waiting for the hammer to drop on EV car liscensing/tabs as currently no one is paying road taxes.  You can buy a decade+ of fuel even at today's high rates instead of buying an EV.  Most people never own their car for 10+ years so WHY the HELL would they buy an EV which pays back in a decade? 

The answer?  Only those who already own a massive solar array who can charge at home do EV's make sense OR someone who is going to put an IMMENSE number of miles on their car in a very SHORT period of time then it is a SLAM DUNK!  Or those who play make believe they are "saving the planet"....   Uh, planet is safe, but your religion says your ass is toast. 

[notsonice + 1,255]

55 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Oh, yeah? Read this.

EV inventories are growing as supply increases faster than demand.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-EV-Sector-Has-A-Serious-Overproduction-Problem.html

EV "sales are not going up to the same extent that inventory is going up. As we approach the end of the second quarter of this year, average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer lots as we look at inventory versus this time 2022. That's a whopping 342% year over year increase. During the same period, maybe the day supply increased 166% the 90 day supply, though the pace of sales while up, is not rising as fast as inventory builds,"

average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer....

and sales in April - May running at between 85,000....a 33 day supply

 

real hard to sell cars that are not on the lot..........

nothing out of line sales are ramping up and at the same time sales are ramping up

from cox Sales of pure battery electric vehicles are forecast to reach nearly 500,000 units in the first half (the first three months it was at 240,000

leaves 260,000 in the second quarter....86 thousand a month

 

next time you want to post BS try to do a little math .......otherwise you look like a fool over and over again

 

PS third quarter....100,000 EV sales per month plus.......4th quarter......110,000 month

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25 minutes ago, notsonice said:

average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer....

and sales in April - May running at between 85,000....a 33 day supply

 

real hard to sell cars that are not on the lot..........

nothing out of line sales are ramping up and at the same time sales are ramping up

from cox Sales of pure battery electric vehicles are forecast to reach nearly 500,000 units in the first half (the first three months it was at 240,000

leaves 260,000 in the second quarter....86 thousand a month

 

next time you want to post BS try to do a little math .......otherwise you look like a fool over and over again

 

PS third quarter....100,000 EV sales per month plus.......4th quarter......110,000 month

Those numbers are not relevant to the post I gave you.

Read again, carefully, By the way, we are not in the third quarter yet, dummy, so those numbers you gave above are not actual numbers, just guesses. Man, get some brains.

EV "sales are not going up to the same extent that inventory is going up. As we approach the end of the second quarter of this year, average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer lots as we look at inventory versus this time 2022. That's a whopping 342% year over year increase. During the same period, maybe the day supply increased 166% the 90 day supply, though the pace of sales while up, is not rising as fast as inventory builds,"

 

"Despite increasing consumer appetite for EVs, the supply of electric vehicles is significantly outstripping sales."

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Ecocharger

[TailingsPond + 874]

1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Savings over what? Over the public charging stations.

 

Savings over gas

[Jay McKinsey + 1,490]

10 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Those numbers are not relevant to the post I gave you.

Read again, carefuly,

EV "sales are not going up to the same extent that inventory is going up. As we approach the end of the second quarter of this year, average inventory for electric vehicles tops more than 92,000 units on the ground at dealer lots as we look at inventory versus this time 2022. That's a whopping 342% year over year increase. During the same period, maybe the day supply increased 166% the 90 day supply, though the pace of sales while up, is not rising as fast as inventory builds,"

 

So a 30 day supply. Wow, not.

Plug-In Vehicle Sales

A total of 113,911 plug-in vehicles (91,699 BEVs and 22,212 PHEVs) were sold during May 2023 in the United States, up 68.1% from the sales in May 2022. PEVs captured 8.36% of total LDV sales this month.

Historically, a 60 days' supply across the industry was considered normal and ideal. The Cox Automotive days' supply is based on the daily sales rate for the most recent 30-day period that ended April 24, when about 1.08 million vehicles were sold, up 16% from the same period in the previous year.May 11, 2023

 

New-Vehicle Inventory Increases Again in April, Supporting ...

Edited June 30, 2023 by Jay McKinsey